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Divorce and Remarriage |
"Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and
shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which
is put away doth commit adultery."
-- Matthew 19:9
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| User: "Dore" |
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| Title: Re: Divorce and Remarriage |
18 Oct 2004 09:13:57 PM |
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<bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and
shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which
is put away doth commit adultery."
Yes, so if you get divorced, then don't remarry, but dedicate your whole
life being married to the Lamb.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
<bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5811b7a4.0410131644.6415de72@posting.google.com...
"Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and
shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which
is put away doth commit adultery."
-- Matthew 19:9
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| User: "Jerry Moon" |
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| Title: Re: Divorce and Remarriage |
18 Oct 2004 09:44:08 PM |
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 02:13:57 GMT, "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>
wrote:
:)<bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
:)news:5811b7a4.0410131644.6415de72@posting.google.com...
:)> "Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and
:)> shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which
:)> is put away doth commit adultery."
:)
:)
:)Yes, so if you get divorced, then don't remarry, but dedicate your whole
:)life being married to the Lamb.
Gen 2:18
18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I
will make him an help meet for him.
KJV
Is a divorced person alone?
Deut 24:1-2
24:1When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that
she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in
her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand,
and send her out of his house.
2And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's
wife.
KJV
Notice, that the divorced woman is free to marry another in the above
scriptures.... even though she was at fault...
Jerry Moon
www.acts2.us
Spelling mistakes above left in for people who need to correct
others to make their life fulfilled.
http://www.acts2.us
"A magazine which is not outspoken, and is destitute of principle, is a literary nuisance." -- Charles Haddon Spurgeon
Jerry Moon
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19 Oct 2004 05:47:04 PM |
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"Jerry Moon" <moon@cableone.net> wrote in message
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Gen 2:18
18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I
will make him an help meet for him.
KJV
No man is alone, for there are 6 billion other humans on the planet that the
world doesn't take care of or are concerned with now.
cont
Is a divorced person alone?
Not if they have GOD as their friend, confidant, Father and company.
cont
Deut 24:1-2
24:1When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass
that
she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in
her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her
hand,
and send her out of his house.
2And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another
man's
wife.
KJV
Notice, that the divorced woman is free to marry another in the above
scriptures.... even though she was at fault...
Are you living under the laws of Moses or are we now under the NEW covenant
of Christ? Are we at the beginning of time or at the end?
1 Cor 7:32-35
32 But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for
the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
33 But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how
he may please his wife.
34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman
careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in
spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she
may please her husband.
35 And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon
you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord
without distraction.
KJV
Do you want to serve God, please HIM and be saved, or do you want to enjoy
the pleasures and company of other humans in marriage and be condemned? The
wicked and children of THIS world marry, but those who are accounted WORTHY
to obtain heaven, do not marry, but are like the angels and are CHILDREN OF
GOD.
Luke 20:34-36
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and
are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world,(heaven)and
the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and
are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
KJV
Matt 19:27-29
27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and
followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have
followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne
of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve
tribes of Israel.
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or
father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall
receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
KJV
Matt 19:29
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or
father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall
receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
KJV
Matt 19:12
which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.
KJV
Rev 14:4-5
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins.
These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were
redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before
the throne of God.
KJV
Luke 14:26-27
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and
children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot
be my disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my
disciple.
KJV
Matt 16:24
If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross,
and follow me.
KJV
1 John 3:2-3
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we
shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for
we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is
pure.
KJV
1 John 2:15-16
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man
love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the
eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
KJV
Gal 5:16-17
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of
the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the
flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the
things that ye would.
KJV
1 John 2:16
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the
eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
KJV
Mark 4:19
19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the
lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh
unfruitful.
KJV
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Jerry Moon" <moon@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:olv8n05ovefrak34ov0gbqsmfqo90mq91c@4ax.com...
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 02:13:57 GMT, "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>
wrote:
:)<bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
:)news:5811b7a4.0410131644.6415de72@posting.google.com...
:)> "Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and
:)> shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which
:)> is put away doth commit adultery."
:)
:)
:)Yes, so if you get divorced, then don't remarry, but dedicate your whole
:)life being married to the Lamb.
Gen 2:18
18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I
will make him an help meet for him.
KJV
Is a divorced person alone?
Deut 24:1-2
24:1When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass
that
she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in
her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her
hand,
and send her out of his house.
2And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another
man's
wife.
KJV
Notice, that the divorced woman is free to marry another in the above
scriptures.... even though she was at fault...
Jerry Moon
www.acts2.us
Spelling mistakes above left in for people who need to correct
others to make their life fulfilled.
http://www.acts2.us
"A magazine which is not outspoken, and is destitute of principle, is a
literary nuisance." -- Charles Haddon Spurgeon
Jerry Moon
Copyright protected
Permission granted to copy for replies in News Groups
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Divorce and Remarriage |
19 Oct 2004 04:32:50 AM |
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:44:08 -0500, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, Jerry Moon
<moon@cableone.net> yodeled:
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 02:13:57 GMT, "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>
wrote:
:)<bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
:)news:5811b7a4.0410131644.6415de72@posting.google.com...
:)> "Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and
:)> shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which
:)> is put away doth commit adultery."
:)
:)
:)Yes, so if you get divorced, then don't remarry, but dedicate your whole
:)life being married to the Lamb.
Gen 2:18
18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I
will make him an help meet for him.
KJV
Is a divorced person alone?
That does not mean that it is automatically okay to
remarry.
Deut 24:1-2
24:1When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that
she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in
her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand,
and send her out of his house.
2And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's
wife.
KJV
Notice, that the divorced woman is free to marry another in the above
scriptures.... even though she was at fault...
This was the word from Moses, not God.
Matthew 19:3-9
3) And the Pharisees came to Him, tempting Him and
saying to Him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his
wife for every cause?
4) And He answered and said to them, Have you not read
that He who made them at the beginning "made them male
and female",
5) and said, For this cause a man shall leave father
and mother and shall cling to his wife, and the two of
them shall be one flesh?
6) Therefore they are no longer two, but one flesh.
Therefore what God has joined together, let not man
separate.
7) They said to Him, Why did Moses then command to give
a bill of divorce and to put her away?
8) He said to them, Because of your hard-heartedness
Moses allowed you to put away your wives; but from the
beginning it was not so.
9) And I say to you, Whoever shall put away his wife,
except for fornication, and shall marry another,
commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is put
away commits adultery.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/1stcentury/
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology
and biology is thus in the peculiar position of
being a science founded on an unproved theory.
Is it then science, or faith? Belief in the
theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to
belief in special creation. Both are concepts
which believers know to be true, but neither,
up to the present, has been capable of proof.
- L. Harrison Matthews, FRS, Introduction to
the 1971 edition of Charles Darwin's Origin
of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or
the Preservation of Favored Races in the
Struggle for Life
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| User: "j w" |
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21 Oct 2004 04:55:42 PM |
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:44:08 -0500, Jerry Moon <moon@cableone.net>
wrote:
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 02:13:57 GMT, "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>
wrote:
:)<bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
:)news:5811b7a4.0410131644.6415de72@posting.google.com...
:)> "Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and
:)> shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which
:)> is put away doth commit adultery."
:)
:)
:)Yes, so if you get divorced, then don't remarry, but dedicate your whole
:)life being married to the Lamb.
Gen 2:18
18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I
will make him an help meet for him.
KJV
Is a divorced person alone?
Deut 24:1-2
24:1When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that
she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in
her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand,
and send her out of his house.
2And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's
wife.
KJV
Notice, that the divorced woman is free to marry another in the above
scriptures.... even though she was at fault...
Jerry Moon
www.acts2.us
I just visited the above site.
The Trinity appear in Genesis 1.
You are attempting to reason Infinite Deity with your Finite brain.
IOW, your approach is "If I don't understand the teaching, reject it."
There are MANY things we don't understand in the world. You don't
understand in technical, engineering, physics detail how electricity
makes your electric lights work; that doesn't stop you from turning on
your house lights in the evening.
I guarantee you you can't design and build a fully-functional P5 3 Ghz
computer from the logic stage all by yourself. That doesn't stop you
from using a computer.
Do not reject every aspect of God that you do not understand.
And if you were to read Rev 1-3, you'd note that the Father and the
Son are interchangeable.
the Bible, from Genesis to Matthew teaches that ONLY God the Father is
the Alpha and Omega, yet Jesus is the Alpha and Omega of Rev 1-3 and
Rev 22.
How is that possible? Jesus is the Father in the flesh. (Col 2)
"for in Him dwelt the fullness of the Godhead (another word for the
Trinity) in flesh."
jw
Spelling mistakes above left in for people who need to correct
others to make their life fulfilled.
http://www.acts2.us
"A magazine which is not outspoken, and is destitute of principle, is a literary nuisance." -- Charles Haddon Spurgeon
Jerry Moon
Copyright protected
Permission granted to copy for replies in News Groups
God bless!
j w
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| User: "j w" |
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21 Oct 2004 04:47:27 PM |
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 02:13:57 GMT, "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>
wrote:
<bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5811b7a4.0410131644.6415de72@posting.google.com...
"Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and
shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which
is put away doth commit adultery."
Yes, so if you get divorced, then don't remarry,
That is ONLY true if you choose to divorce/leave your partner.
If your partner chooses to leave/divorce you, you are free. Your
obligations/vows are null and void, and you are free to remarry.
I'd think someone as devout and spiritual as YOU are would remember
that part, dore.
jw
but dedicate your whole
life being married to the Lamb.
God bless!
j w
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| User: "Dore" |
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25 Oct 2004 06:18:36 PM |
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"j w @yahoo .com>" <jw<nono> wrote in message
news:6hbgn0pakeuurhbus4r0haelg5fqft3g2k@4ax.com...
That is ONLY true if you choose to divorce/leave your partner.
If your partner chooses to leave/divorce you, you are free. Your
obligations/vows are null and void, and you are free to remarry.
I'd think someone as devout and spiritual as YOU are would remember
that part, dore.
That is only true if you don't want to be redeemed nor serve and please God,
but want to stay carnally in the flesh and indulge in your earthly desires
and be no different than the wicked.
Luke 20:34-36
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and
are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world,(heaven)and
the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and
are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
KJV
Matt 19:27-29
27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and
followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have
followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne
of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve
tribes of Israel.
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or
father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall
receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
KJV
Matt 19:29
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or
father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall
receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
KJV
Matt 19:12
which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.
KJV
Rev 14:4-5
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins.
These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were
redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before
the throne of God.
KJV
Luke 14:26-27
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and
children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot
be my disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my
disciple.
KJV
1 Cor 7:32-35
32 But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for
the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
33 But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how
he may please his wife.
34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman
careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in
spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she
may please her husband.
35 And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon
you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord
without distraction.
KJV
Matt 16:24
If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross,
and follow me.
KJV
1 John 3:2-3
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we
shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for
we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is
pure.
KJV
1 John 2:15-16
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man
love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the
eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
KJV
Gal 5:16-17
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of
the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the
flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the
things that ye would.
KJV
1 John 2:16
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the
eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
KJV
Mark 4:19
19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the
lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh
unfruitful.
KJV
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"j w @yahoo .com>" <jw<nono> wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 02:13:57 GMT, "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>
wrote:
<bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5811b7a4.0410131644.6415de72@posting.google.com...
"Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and
shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which
is put away doth commit adultery."
Yes, so if you get divorced, then don't remarry,
That is ONLY true if you choose to divorce/leave your partner.
If your partner chooses to leave/divorce you, you are free. Your
obligations/vows are null and void, and you are free to remarry.
I'd think someone as devout and spiritual as YOU are would remember
that part, dore.
jw
but dedicate your whole
life being married to the Lamb.
God bless!
j w
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| User: "icono" |
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| Title: Re: Divorce and Remarriage |
22 Oct 2004 10:02:18 PM |
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<bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5811b7a4.0410131644.6415de72@posting.google.com...
"Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and
shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which
is put away doth commit adultery."
-- Matthew 19:9
Don't forget that there was no marriage ceremony then. A wife is any
innocent women with whom you have had ANY sexual relation, petting included.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Divorce and Remarriage |
23 Oct 2004 07:03:06 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:02:18 -0700, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, "icono" <icono@cox.net>
yodeled:
<bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5811b7a4.0410131644.6415de72@posting.google.com...
"Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and
shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which
is put away doth commit adultery."
-- Matthew 19:9
Don't forget that there was no marriage ceremony then. A wife is any
innocent women with whom you have had ANY sexual relation, petting included.
That's not true.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/1stcentury/
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology
and biology is thus in the peculiar position of
being a science founded on an unproved theory.
Is it then science, or faith? Belief in the
theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to
belief in special creation. Both are concepts
which believers know to be true, but neither,
up to the present, has been capable of proof.
- L. Harrison Matthews, FRS, Introduction to
the 1971 edition of Charles Darwin's Origin
of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or
the Preservation of Favored Races in the
Struggle for Life
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Divorce and Remarriage |
15 Oct 2004 04:53:19 AM |
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On 13 Oct 2004 17:44:45 -0700, wrote:
"Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and
shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which
is put away doth commit adultery."
-- Matthew 19:9
Why not use a bible that can be understood instead of the KJV?
Matthew 19 (NIV)
9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and
marries another woman commits adultery."
But then comes the kicker:
Mark 10 (NIV)
7'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,[1]
8and the two will become one flesh.'[2] So they are no longer two, but one. 9Therefore
what God has joined together, let man not separate."
Remembering that a "divorce" as we know it is a voidance of the civil contract **only**
and not voidance of the spiritual one made between one man and one woman in the sight of
God, then civil divorce and remarriage becomes adultery.
duke
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Matthew 22
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 04:53:19 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On 13 Oct 2004 17:44:45 -0700, wrote:
"Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and
shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which
is put away doth commit adultery."
-- Matthew 19:9
Why not use a bible that can be understood instead of the KJV?
Matthew 19 (NIV)
9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and
marries another woman commits adultery."
But then comes the kicker:
Mark 10 (NIV)
7'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,[1]
8and the two will become one flesh.'[2] So they are no longer two, but one. 9Therefore
what God has joined together, let man not separate."
Remembering that a "divorce" as we know it is a voidance of the civil contract **only**
and not voidance of the spiritual one made between one man and one woman in the sight of
God, then civil divorce and remarriage becomes adultery.
I believe you are forgetting a MAJOR "escape clause" in the laws
against divorce, duke.
Jesus also said that if your mate chooses to leave you and divorce
you, you are to let them go, for WHATEVR reason, and infidelity wasn't
mentioned. If your mate leaves you, THAT is spiritual and emotional
infidelity.
If your partner chooses to leave you, you are no longer bound by those
vows, and you are free to remarry.
If you're going to discuss divorce/marriage laws, discuss the whole
law, and not just the punitive part.
(and I mean that in a friendly way, not to be snippy at all)
jw
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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God bless!
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22 Oct 2004 01:39:49 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:46:06 -0700, j w <jw<no>@yahoo<no>.com> wrote:
Matthew 19 (NIV)
9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and
marries another woman commits adultery."
But then comes the kicker:
Mark 10 (NIV)
7'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,[1]
8and the two will become one flesh.'[2] So they are no longer two, but one. 9Therefore
what God has joined together, let man not separate."
Remembering that a "divorce" as we know it is a voidance of the civil contract **only**
and not voidance of the spiritual one made between one man and one woman in the sight of
God, then civil divorce and remarriage becomes adultery.
I believe you are forgetting a MAJOR "escape clause" in the laws
against divorce, duke.
Jesus also said that if your mate chooses to leave you and divorce
you, you are to let them go, for WHATEVR reason, and infidelity wasn't
mentioned. If your mate leaves you, THAT is spiritual and emotional
infidelity.
What does "9Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." in Mark 10 mean
to you?
Maybe you should read Mat 19:7-8 real careful and then decide who what a Pharisee is.
If your partner chooses to leave you, you are no longer bound by those
vows, and you are free to remarry.
Sorry, but God said otherwise. What God has joined, no man can separate.
If you're going to discuss divorce/marriage laws, discuss the whole
law, and not just the punitive part.
I'm the one that did that.
(and I mean that in a friendly way, not to be snippy at all)
Then I suggest the same to you.
What Moses gave the Jews is not what Jesus gave the Christians.
duke
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21 Oct 2004 04:43:28 PM |
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On 13 Oct 2004 17:44:45 -0700, wrote:
"Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and
shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which
is put away doth commit adultery."
-- Matthew 19:9
If I gave you a complete list of all the commands we were given in the
New Testament, you'd soon realize that the primary reason we were
given those commandments was to indicate that we need salvation.
No one can keep all the laws.
And divorce is NOT listed as an "unforgivable sin."
Then you don't take into account when a righteous Christian (or at
least one who's trying to live it) is divorced by a wayward mate.
Jesus said if your partner insists on divorcing YOU, you are to
release them, and you are free to remarry.
You are not to initiate a divorce, but you are freed from your
obligation by a spouse who divorces you.
If you are going to quote the law, quote the whole law, not just the
legalistic parts that suit you.
jw
God bless!
j w
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25 Oct 2004 06:27:27 PM |
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"j w @yahoo .com>" <jw<nono> wrote in message
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If I gave you a complete list of all the commands we were given in the
New Testament, you'd soon realize that the primary reason we were
given those commandments was to indicate that we need salvation.
No one can keep all the laws.
Obviously, you have NO faith, no desire to obey, please and LOVE GOD, nor do
you desire to be saved, to deny yourself, pick up the cross and lay down
your WHOLE life for redemption, you just take it for granted, and expect
that you being NO different than the sinners and unbelievers that because
you CLAIM the name of Christ, you DESERVE salvation, but you only DELUDE
yourself. Salvation comes to those who DO abide and keep the commandments,
demands, and requirements found in the gospel and are righteous, holy,
sinless, pure and perfect before the throne. .
Matt 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the
kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in
heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in
thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many
wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye
that work iniquity. (SIN)
KJV
Matt 4:4
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread
alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
(KJV)
Luke 6:46-49
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and DO not the things which I say?
47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and DOETH them, I will
shew you to whom he is like:
48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the
foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently
upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a
foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat
vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
(KJV)
I Jn 3:2-9
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we
shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for
we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is
pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the
transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no
sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him,
neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is
righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the
beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might
destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in
him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
(KJV)
2 Pet 3:14
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that
ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
(KJV)
Matt 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is
perfect.
KJV
Matt 13:43
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their
Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
(KJV)
Matt 4:10
Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
(KJV)
Matt 6:24
24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love
the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot
serve God and mammon.
(KJV)
Rev 22:14
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to
the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
(KJV)
John 14:15
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
(KJV)
John 14:21
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that
loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will
love him, and will manifest myself to him.
(KJV)
Rev 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the
commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
(KJV)
cont
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"j w @yahoo .com>" <jw<nono> wrote in message
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On 13 Oct 2004 17:44:45 -0700, wrote:
"Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and
shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which
is put away doth commit adultery."
-- Matthew 19:9
If I gave you a complete list of all the commands we were given in the
New Testament, you'd soon realize that the primary reason we were
given those commandments was to indicate that we need salvation.
No one can keep all the laws.
And divorce is NOT listed as an "unforgivable sin."
Then you don't take into account when a righteous Christian (or at
least one who's trying to live it) is divorced by a wayward mate.
Jesus said if your partner insists on divorcing YOU, you are to
release them, and you are free to remarry.
You are not to initiate a divorce, but you are freed from your
obligation by a spouse who divorces you.
If you are going to quote the law, quote the whole law, not just the
legalistic parts that suit you.
jw
God bless!
j w
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23 Oct 2004 02:15:38 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:43:28 -0700, j w <jw<no>@yahoo<no>.com> wrote:
-- Matthew 19:9
If I gave you a complete list of all the commands we were given in the
New Testament, you'd soon realize that the primary reason we were
given those commandments was to indicate that we need salvation.
No one can keep all the laws.
All the laws are for Jews.
And divorce is NOT listed as an "unforgivable sin."
That's right. but it is said that "what God has joined, let no man put aside"
There is only one unforgivable sin - to die with a mortal sin on your soul. Because once
you die, it's too late to seek forgiveness and absolution.
Then you don't take into account when a righteous Christian (or at
least one who's trying to live it) is divorced by a wayward mate.
Jesus said if your partner insists on divorcing YOU, you are to
release them, and you are free to remarry.
Nope, that was Moses doing that for the Jews, not the Christians. Christian marriage is
until death do us part.
..
You are not to initiate a divorce, but you are freed from your
obligation by a spouse who divorces you.
Not a chance, unless the marriage is not one enjoined by God. Like a civil marriage.
If you are going to quote the law, quote the whole law, not just the
legalistic parts that suit you.
That's right - God said no.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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24 Oct 2004 06:52:19 AM |
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:15:38 -0500, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
yodeled:
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:43:28 -0700, j w <jw<no>@yahoo<no>.com> wrote:
-- Matthew 19:9
If I gave you a complete list of all the commands we were given in the
New Testament, you'd soon realize that the primary reason we were
given those commandments was to indicate that we need salvation.
No one can keep all the laws.
All the laws are for Jews.
And divorce is NOT listed as an "unforgivable sin."
That's right. but it is said that "what God has joined, let no man put aside"
There is only one unforgivable sin - to die with a mortal sin on your soul. Because once
you die, it's too late to seek forgiveness and absolution.
That's a Catholic belief.
Then you don't take into account when a righteous Christian (or at
least one who's trying to live it) is divorced by a wayward mate.
Jesus said if your partner insists on divorcing YOU, you are to
release them, and you are free to remarry.
Nope, that was Moses doing that for the Jews, not the Christians. Christian marriage is
until death do us part.
All marriage is. Marriage is marriage and Jesus did
not say to release a partner. They'll have to quote
book, chapter and verse to me.
You are not to initiate a divorce, but you are freed from your
obligation by a spouse who divorces you.
Not a chance, unless the marriage is not one enjoined by God. Like a civil marriage.
It doesn't matter what type of marriage it is. What do
you think marriages were in Jesus' day? Civil. A
legal contract was signed. That made them betrothed.
The Rabbi did not marry them. He merely said some
things to ward off evil spirits from the bed chamber.
The bride and groom went in, made love and were at that
point, considered married.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/1stcentury/
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology
and biology is thus in the peculiar position of
being a science founded on an unproved theory.
Is it then science, or faith? Belief in the
theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to
belief in special creation. Both are concepts
which believers know to be true, but neither,
up to the present, has been capable of proof.
- L. Harrison Matthews, FRS, Introduction to
the 1971 edition of Charles Darwin's Origin
of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or
the Preservation of Favored Races in the
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24 Oct 2004 04:00:14 PM |
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This is not so, the only unpardonable sin is the blasphemy of the Holy
Ghost (read your bible and do not listen to others) . If people are going to
quote or give advise, use the scriptures.
Also, there is divorce and it is forgivable; allowed by the New testament,
for fornication (adultery) Do you people read the Bible before you give
advise.
In addition, no one is under the Law, we all are under grace and mercy. To
the Jew first and then to the Greek (Gentile) again, read your bible.
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24 Oct 2004 05:52:17 PM |
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:00:14 GMT, "Stephen Williams" <srwincwk@earthlink.net> wrote:
This is not so, the only unpardonable sin is the blasphemy of the Holy
Ghost (read your bible and do not listen to others)
So define "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" if it isn't a mortal sin against God, the Holy
Spirit.
Like adultery for instance. God said what he as joined in marriage let no man change. To
do so and then lie at the next marriage is a mortal sin against God. Merely getting a
civil divorce don't cut it.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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24 Oct 2004 07:02:57 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:00:14 GMT, "Stephen Williams"
<srwincwk@earthlink.net> wrote:
This is not so, the only unpardonable sin is the blasphemy of the Holy
Ghost (read your bible and do not listen to others)
So define "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" if it isn't a mortal sin against
God, the Holy
Spirit.
Like adultery for instance. God said what he as joined in marriage let no
man change. To
do so and then lie at the next marriage is a mortal sin against God.
Merely getting a
civil divorce don't cut it.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
For you perfect people;
Don't forget that there was no marriage ceremony then. A wife is any
innocent women with whom you have had ANY sexual relation, petting included.
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25 Oct 2004 05:53:40 PM |
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:02:57 -0700, "icono" <icono@cox.net> wrote:
For you perfect people;
Don't forget that there was no marriage ceremony then. A wife is any
innocent women with whom you have had ANY sexual relation, petting included.
Nope. Marriage is a voluntary joining of a man to a woman in the sight of God. No other
person need be present. And God said what he has joined let no other put asunder.
That evolved into a civil marriage license, that can be cancelled in a civil court. But
not the joining in the sight of God. You cna't lie to God more than once. It's a mortal
sin against the Holy Spirit.
..
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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25 Oct 2004 10:07:36 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:02:57 -0700, "icono" <icono@cox.net> wrote:
For you perfect people;
Don't forget that there was no marriage ceremony then. A wife is any
innocent women with whom you have had ANY sexual relation, petting
included.
Nope. Marriage is a voluntary joining of a man to a woman in the sight of
God. No other
person need be present. And God said what he has joined let no other put
asunder.
Like I said
Don't forget that there was no marriage ceremony then. A wife is any
innocent women with whom you have had ANY sexual relation, petting included.
"What God hath joined"
That evolved into a civil marriage license, that can be cancelled in a
civil court. But
not the joining in the sight of God. You cna't lie to God more than once.
It's a mortal
sin against the Holy Spirit.
You continually lie to God and the Holy Spirit.
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duke
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Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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25 Oct 2004 10:17:02 PM |
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In article <Ibjfd.18198$SW3.11379@fed1read01>, icono wrote:
...ANY sexual relation, petting included.
"Petting" is not sex. Only adult penile-vaginal penetration is sex.
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26 Oct 2004 05:20:26 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:07:36 -0700, "icono" <icono@cox.net> wrote:
Nope. Marriage is a voluntary joining of a man to a woman in the sight of
God. No other
person need be present. And God said what he has joined let no other put
asunder.
Like I said
Don't forget that there was no marriage ceremony then. A wife is any
innocent women with whom you have had ANY sexual relation, petting included.
Nope, no sexual relation required, or certainly not allowed. Simply standing before God
and agreeing to become man and wife.
That evolved into a civil marriage license, that can be cancelled in a
civil court. But
not the joining in the sight of God. You cna't lie to God more than once.
It's a mortal
sin against the Holy Spirit.
You continually lie to God and the Holy Spirit.
Nope, not me. I not atheist crazy.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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27 Oct 2004 12:30:20 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:07:36 -0700, "icono" <icono@cox.net> wrote:
Nope. Marriage is a voluntary joining of a man to a woman in the sight
of
God. No other
person need be present. And God said what he has joined let no other
put
asunder.
Like I said
Don't forget that there was no marriage ceremony then. A wife is any
innocent women with whom you have had ANY sexual relation, petting
included.
Nope, no sexual relation required, or certainly not allowed. Simply
standing before God
and agreeing to become man and wife.
Where is mutual agreement mentioned?
That evolved into a civil marriage license, that can be cancelled in a
civil court. But
not the joining in the sight of God. You cna't lie to God more than
once.
It's a mortal
sin against the Holy Spirit.
You continually lie to God and the Holy Spirit.
Nope, not me. I not atheist crazy.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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28 Oct 2004 04:57:31 AM |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:30:20 -0700, "icono" <icono@cox.net> wrote:
Nope, no sexual relation required, or certainly not allowed. Simply
standing before God
and agreeing to become man and wife.
Where is mutual agreement mentioned?
What God as joined.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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28 Oct 2004 08:51:16 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:30:20 -0700, "icono" <icono@cox.net> wrote:
Nope, no sexual relation required, or certainly not allowed. Simply
standing before God
and agreeing to become man and wife.
Where is mutual agreement mentioned?
What God as joined.
Not even a hint of mutual agreement.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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29 Oct 2004 09:15:53 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:30:20 -0700, "icono" <icono@cox.net> wrote:
Nope, no sexual relation required, or certainly not allowed. Simply
standing before God
and agreeing to become man and wife.
Where is mutual agreement mentioned?
What God as joined.
O.K. now add to that.
Man "takes for himself a wife"
A wife is "given" to a man.
No indication of a limit on the number of wives.
Only a limitation of wives not worshipping other gods. (i.e. Solomon)
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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29 Oct 2004 02:43:57 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:15:53 -0700, "icono" <icono@cox.net> wrote:
Where is mutual agreement mentioned?
What God as joined.
O.K. now add to that.
Man "takes for himself a wife"
A wife is "given" to a man.
No indication of a limit on the number of wives.
What God has joined let no man put asunder.
A civil ceremony is not something God has joined, and a civil contract breaking is not in
accordance with God's joining.
Only a limitation of wives not worshipping other gods. (i.e. Solomon)
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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29 Oct 2004 08:25:06 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:15:53 -0700, "icono" <icono@cox.net> wrote:
Where is mutual agreement mentioned?
What God as joined.
O.K. now add to that.
Man "takes for himself a wife"
A wife is "given" to a man.
No indication of a limit on the number of wives.
What God has joined let no man put asunder.
A civil ceremony is not something God has joined, and a civil contract
breaking is not in
accordance with God's joining.
You are avoiding the discussion.
Yes, what God has joined.
YOUR opinions don't count except to you and your wife and YOUR church.
Only a limitation of wives not worshipping other gods. (i.e. Solomon)
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Divorce and Remarriage |
01 Nov 2004 05:04:45 AM |
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:25:06 -0700, "icono" <icono@cox.net> wrote:
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No indication of a limit on the number of wives.
What God has joined let no man put asunder.
A civil ceremony is not something God has joined, and a civil contract
breaking is not in accordance with God's joining.
You are avoiding the discussion.
Yes, what God has joined.
I'm hitting you right between the eyes with "marriage is until death do us part".
YOUR opinions don't count except to you and your wife and YOUR church.
Nope. God has the final sayso. God said so.
duke
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Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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