Religions > Bible > Do you think that parents are responsible for the acts and morality of their children?
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30 Apr 2007 07:29:45 AM |
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Do you think that parents are responsible for the acts and morality of their children? |
Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
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Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Attrib: Pauline Réage.
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30 Apr 2007 12:00:59 PM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
Do you think that parents are responsible for the acts and morality of their
children?
People are responsible for whatever we hold them to. Responsibility does not
come from a magic idea of right and wrong, but from force.
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30 Apr 2007 01:26:15 PM |
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On 30 apr, 19:00, "ike milligan" <accordion...@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
Do you think that parents are responsible for the acts and morality of their
children?
People are responsible for whatever we hold them to. Responsibility does not
come from a magic idea of right and wrong, but from force.
Sorry that is not the only responsibility
Peope that "act responsible" actually hold themselves responsible,
without any outside force.
They probably do so, because they were raised by "responsible parents"
Some people do have a conscience you know.
Peter van Velzen
April 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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30 Apr 2007 12:31:37 PM |
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:00:59 GMT, "ike milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
Do you think that parents are responsible for the acts and morality of their
children?
People are responsible for whatever we hold them to. Responsibility does not
come from a magic idea of right and wrong, but from force.
So what do you think it does, if anything, come from?
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30 Apr 2007 01:33:47 PM |
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On 30 apr, 19:31, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:00:59 GMT, "ike milligan"
<accordion...@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:kanb33pk62gik84vis30f71r1bs7kvfk6r@4ax.com...
Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
Do you think that parents are responsible for the acts and morality of their
children?
People are responsible for whatever we hold them to. Responsibility does not
come from a magic idea of right and wrong, but
from force.
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So what do you think it does, if anything, come from?
Can't you read you. . . .
(I underlined the answer:)
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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01 May 2007 01:07:16 AM |
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On 30 Apr 2007 11:33:47 -0700, "pbamvv@worldonline.nl"
<pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote:
On 30 apr, 19:31, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:00:59 GMT, "ike milligan"
<accordion...@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:kanb33pk62gik84vis30f71r1bs7kvfk6r@4ax.com...
Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
Do you think that parents are responsible for the acts and morality of their
children?
People are responsible for whatever we hold them to. Responsibility does not
come from a magic idea of right and wrong, but
from force.
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So what do you think it does, if anything, come from?
Can't you read you. . . .
(I underlined the answer:)
Oops. I really must keep practicing with ***** and Jane...!
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30 Apr 2007 05:04:00 PM |
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In article <kanb33pk62gik84vis30f71r1bs7kvfk6r@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
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Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Attrib: Pauline Réage.
When I was a kid (around 10 years old), I got into a bit of trouble --
went playing with some friends at a house that was under construction.
In the midst of play, I ended up throwing a rock through a
newly-installed window. My parents were billed. I think that was the
only truly fair response. My mother made sure I learned better behavior
after she sent the check out. She was always diligent about such matters.
So when you talk of parents and children, I think that's a "yes" to your
question. Now, as children get older, more ready to handle life on their
own, the matter turns to a gray area. Once a child reaches an age around
15 or 16, that responsibility should have shifted quite a bit onto the
child's shoulders. By 18, the answer is "no." IMO.
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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01 May 2007 03:07:49 AM |
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Last time that great scribe Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com>=20
chipped away at his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
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Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
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Your thoughts welcome.
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Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Attrib: Pauline R=E9age.
Take your lead from the bible. Honestly. Tell your children not to do=20
this or that and but provide them with the means to do exactly that.=20
Blame them for your oversight and then condemn them to every lasting=20
burning in a lake of fire to show them how much you love them.
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Remove both YOUR_SHOES before replying
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,=20
Chief EAC prophet=20
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
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30 Apr 2007 01:27:21 PM |
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No, Public Schools and Feds are responsible for useless Self-Esteem.
Parents want to teach cardinal virtues or vices and virtues to their
childrens
by shaping their behavior along with the eternal biblical wisdom
but the atheistic Constitution, EVOLUTION, and Public schools think
that is
Christian religion,
so they teach them SELF-ESTEEM, debauchery and quick gratification.
This is what turn THERION WARE into a big Loser, ***** you all.
On Apr 30, 8:29 am, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
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Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Attrib: Pauline R=E9age.
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01 May 2007 12:05:04 AM |
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Codebreaker wrote:
No, Public Schools and Feds are responsible for useless Self-Esteem.
Parents want to teach cardinal virtues or vices and virtues to their
childrens
by shaping their behavior along with the eternal biblical wisdom
but the atheistic Constitution, EVOLUTION, and Public schools think
that is
Christian religion,
so they teach them SELF-ESTEEM, debauchery and quick gratification.
Is there a history of insanity in your family?
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* Christianity: A belief in a cosmic Jewish zombie *
* who was his own father will let you live forever *
* if you pretend to eat his flesh, drink his blood, *
* and telepathically tell him that you accept him as *
* your master, so he can remove an evil force from *
* your soul that he put there a long time ago as pun- *
* ishment for all humanity because a rib-woman made *
* from a dust-man was convinced by a talking snake *
* to eat fruit from a magical tree. *
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01 May 2007 03:12:48 AM |
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:05:04 -0800, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
- Refer: <hJSdnSlQfLuoIavbnZ2dnUVZ_urinZ2d@comcast.com>
Codebreaker wrote:
No, Public Schools and Feds are responsible for useless Self-Esteem.
Parents want to teach cardinal virtues or vices and virtues to their
childrens
by shaping their behavior along with the eternal biblical wisdom
but the atheistic Constitution, EVOLUTION, and Public schools think
that is
Christian religion,
so they teach them SELF-ESTEEM, debauchery and quick gratification.
Is there a history of insanity in your family?
If not, he's started one.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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30 Apr 2007 11:51:56 PM |
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On 30 Apr 2007 11:27:21 -0700, Codebreaker <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com>
wrote:
No, Public Schools and Feds are responsible for useless Self-Esteem.
Parents want to teach cardinal virtues or vices and virtues to their
childrens
by shaping their behavior along with the eternal biblical wisdom
but the atheistic Constitution, EVOLUTION, and Public schools think
that is
Christian religion,
so they teach them SELF-ESTEEM, debauchery and quick gratification.
This is what turn THERION WARE into a big Loser, ***** you all.
Bad day at the office dear?
On Apr 30, 8:29 am, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
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Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Attrib: Pauline Réage.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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01 May 2007 03:12:26 AM |
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On Tue, 01 May 2007 05:51:56 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
- Refer: <pqhd339e3sn0unjr1lbqagloj1dfmjc1mp@4ax.com>
On 30 Apr 2007 11:27:21 -0700, Codebreaker <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com>
wrote:
No, Public Schools and Feds are responsible for useless Self-Esteem.
Parents want to teach cardinal virtues or vices and virtues to their
childrens
by shaping their behavior along with the eternal biblical wisdom
but the atheistic Constitution, EVOLUTION, and Public schools think
that is
Christian religion,
so they teach them SELF-ESTEEM, debauchery and quick gratification.
This is what turn THERION WARE into a big Loser, ***** you all.
Bad day at the office dear?
Office?
Do you rally think that crudraker is sane enough to hold down a
job!!???!!
If you meant the psych-ward nurses' office, then I excuse you for your
boundless optimism.
On Apr 30, 8:29 am, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
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01 May 2007 07:48:04 PM |
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On May 1, 4:12 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 01 May 2007 05:51:56 +0100, Therion Ware<autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
- Refer: <pqhd339e3sn0unjr1lbqagloj1dfmjc...@4ax.com>
On 30 Apr 2007 11:27:21 -0700, Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com>
wrote:
No, Public Schools and Feds are responsible for useless Self-Esteem.
Parents want to teach cardinal virtues or vices and virtues to their
childrens
by shaping their behavior along with the eternal biblical wisdom
but the atheistic Constitution, EVOLUTION, and Public schools think
that is
Christian religion,
so they teach them SELF-ESTEEM, debauchery and quick gratification.
This is what turn THERION WARE into a big Loser, ***** you all.
Bad day at the office dear?
Office?
Do you rally think that crudraker is sane enough to hold down a
job!!???!!
If you meant the psych-ward nurses' office, then I excuse you for your
boundless optimism.
Hahahahahhaahahahahaahahaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha LOL
Ils sont dans une perplexite inextricable.
On Apr 30, 8:29 am, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
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01 May 2007 11:07:40 AM |
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On 30 apr, 20:27, Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
No, Public Schools and Feds are responsible for useless Self-Esteem.
Parents want to teach cardinal virtues or vices and virtues to their
childrens
by shaping their behavior along with the eternal biblical wisdom
but the atheistic Constitution, EVOLUTION, and Public schools think
that is
Christian religion,
so they teach them SELF-ESTEEM, debauchery and quick gratification.
This is what turn THERION WARE into a big Loser,
***** you all.
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Sorry? do you want Therion ware to ***** us all?!?
Do you really endorse adultery
or is it just me not understanding the code you have broken?
If you have problems with debauchery
why not clean up your own language first?
Carefull. . .
Peter van Velzen
May 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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01 May 2007 07:49:13 PM |
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On May 1, 12:07 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
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On 30 apr, 20:27, Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:> No, Public Schools and Feds are responsible for useless Self-Esteem.
Parents want to teach cardinal virtues or vices and virtues to their
childrens
by shaping their behavior along with the eternal biblical wisdom
but the atheistic Constitution, EVOLUTION, and Public schools think
that is
Christian religion,
so they teach them SELF-ESTEEM, debauchery and quick gratification.
This is what turn THERION WARE into a big Loser,
***** you all.
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Sorry? do you want Therion ware to ***** us all?!?
Do you really endorse adultery
or is it just me not understanding the code you have broken?
If you have problems with debauchery
why not clean up your own language first?
Pointeless point...
Carefull. . .
Peter van Velzen
May 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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02 May 2007 04:04:57 PM |
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On 2 mei, 02:49, Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On May 1, 12:07 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
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On 30 apr, 20:27, Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:> No, Public Schools and Feds are responsible for useless Self-Esteem.
Parents want to teach cardinal virtues or vices and virtues to their
childrens
by shaping their behavior along with the eternal biblical wisdom
but the atheistic Constitution, EVOLUTION, and Public schools think
that is
Christian religion,
so they teach them SELF-ESTEEM, debauchery and quick gratification.
This is what turn THERION WARE into a big Loser,
***** you all.
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Sorry? do you want Therion ware to ***** us all?!?
Do you really endorse adultery
or is it just me not understanding the code you have broken?
If you have problems with debauchery
why not clean up your own language first?
Pointeless point...
O yes, I forget the mention that,
your reaction was indeed not only smudged by foul language,
it was also quite pointless, and mostly untrue.
Iit depends on what constituation you mean - Does China have one?-
how untrue.
I suppose it is to much to ask of you
to prove that Public schools (anywhere) teach debauchery
(and/or quick gratification)
or that any atheistic constitution regards teaching virtues as
something Christian.
You probably lack the self-esteem
to prove your hastily written words.
Pete van Velzen
May 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlads
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03 May 2007 01:13:54 PM |
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On May 2, 5:04 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
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On 2 mei, 02:49, Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On May 1, 12:07 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
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On 30 apr, 20:27, Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:> No, Public Schools and Feds are responsible for useless Self-Esteem.
Parents want to teach cardinal virtues or vices and virtues to their
childrens
by shaping their behavior along with the eternal biblical wisdom
but the atheistic Constitution, EVOLUTION, and Public schools think
that is
Christian religion,
so they teach them SELF-ESTEEM, debauchery and quick gratification.
This is what turn THERION WARE into a big Loser,
***** you all.
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Sorry? do you want Therion ware to ***** us all?!?
Do you really endorse adultery
or is it just me not understanding the code you have broken?
If you have problems with debauchery
why not clean up your own language first?
Pointeless point...
O yes, I forget the mention that,
your reaction was indeed not only smudged by foul language,
it was also quite pointless, and mostly untrue.
Iit depends on what constituation you mean - Does China have one?-
how untrue.
I suppose it is to much to ask of you
to prove that Public schools (anywhere) teach debauchery
(and/or quick gratification)
or that any atheistic constitution regards teaching virtues as
something Christian.
The Constitution would not pass the text of Paul doctrines
on Government, Law, Jurisprudence and other social issues
and justice.
If Paul were to come back, he would trash that Constitution
on the ground that the people slip back into paganism.
American Constitution is NOT apostolic no matter how you
defend it.
You probably lack the self-esteem
to prove your hastily written words.
Pete van Velzen
May 2007
Amstelveen
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05 May 2007 05:30:51 AM |
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On 3 mei, 20:13, Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On May 2, 5:04 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
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On 2 mei, 02:49, Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
On May 1, 12:07 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
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On 30 apr, 20:27, Codebreaker <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:> No, Public Schools and Feds are responsible for useless Self-Esteem.
Parents want to teach cardinal virtues or vices and virtues to their
childrens
by shaping their behavior along with the eternal biblical wisdom
but the atheistic Constitution, EVOLUTION, and Public schools think
that is
Christian religion,
so they teach them SELF-ESTEEM, debauchery and quick gratification.
This is what turn THERION WARE into a big Loser,
***** you all.
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Sorry? do you want Therion ware to ***** us all?!?
Do you really endorse adultery
or is it just me not understanding the code you have broken?
If you have problems with debauchery
why not clean up your own language first?
Pointeless point...
O yes, I forget the mention that,
your reaction was indeed not only smudged by foul language,
it was also quite pointless, and mostly untrue.
It depends on what constituation you mean - Does China have one?-
how untrue.
I suppose it is to much to ask of you
to prove that Public schools (anywhere) teach debauchery
(and/or quick gratification)
or that any atheistic constitution regards teaching virtues as
something Christian.
The Constitution would not pass the text of Paul doctrines
on Government, Law, Jurisprudence and other social issues
and justice.
If Paul were to come back, he would trash that Constitution
on the ground that the people slip back into paganism.
American Constitution is NOT apostolic no matter how you
defend it.
So it is the American constitution your are talking about?
I presume more precisily the constitutions of the United States.
1. It is not Atheistic, it is secular.
Secular means equal for everyone no matter what his or her (lack
of) religion.
It does not say there is not God nor does it say there isn't.
And not because it is agnostic, but because it does not want to
interfere in the
realm of religion, nor does it want religion to interfere with the
ruling of the nation.
This was not done because it was written by atheists, but because
many of the
people living in the new nation were descendents of fugitives from
countries where,
religion and law were interwoven which resulted in religious
persecutions.
The founding fathers didn't want any of that: Hence: A secular
Constitution.
3. If Paul were to trash the constitution that means hew would be in
favor
of religious persecution. Although I personally do not like Paul
very much,
I wouldn't dare accuse him of such animosity.
4. I do not see people in the United states slipping back into
Paganism.
I do not see them worshipping statues of Zeus or Apollo.
It is true it gives equal rights to pagans too, but that is because
it does not
want any religious persecutions.
Of course religion involving human sacrifice would have some
problems,
under this constitution, but not because of reglious reasons,
but of the secular idea, that murder is not allowed.
So instead of providing any proof of you earlier statements,
you are adding new unfounded statements, that - in my view - seem to
be false.
You are free to try and make me think otherwise,
but as far you have not brought any evidence to support any of you
statements.
Peter van Velzen
May 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
You probably lack the self-esteem
to prove your hastily written words.
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30 Apr 2007 01:00:39 PM |
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On 30 apr, 14:29, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
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Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Attrib: Pauline R=E9age.
Partly,
one can only do so much
But yes, basic morality is taugh by parents,
They will do that without special training
as parents will not need any advice in order for them to not want
their children,
disobedient, violent, treacherous, lying, messing around with their
parents stuff, and taking evertything away from other children.
(notice the six commandments that do not involve any god)
If I remember correctly it does not matter very much wether parents
are very strickt or very loving (both have equal succes), but what is
devastating is parents - or their replacements - that neglect their
children.
(Just Yesterday I was at a party for my Aunt and uncle, and the party
was organized by their grandson, who was raised by them, not by his
real mother, so I had to introduce the term replacements today. My
sister too is many times taking care of her grandchildren, when my
niece is working)
Of course with increasing age, parents become less and less
responsible,
and the children become more and more accountable themselves.
Anyway if you are a parent, it is best to have insurance against
damage your children might inflict on others, because the law will
certainly hold you financially responsible until the children become
of age.
Peter van Velzen
(no children of my own, but my parents were wonderfull)
April 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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30 Apr 2007 05:47:20 PM |
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On Apr 30, 5:29 am, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
YES!!! Not just "yes," but "Hell, yes!"
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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30 Apr 2007 08:46:40 AM |
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On Apr 30, 8:29 am, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
That's a tough one, but from personal experience, I'd say "no" so long
as they acted as a "reasonable person". While a parent can greatly
influence their children's actions and morals; it is ultimately the
child that is responsible.
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30 Apr 2007 09:13:17 AM |
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On 30 Apr 2007 06:46:40 -0700, Andres64 <andresc64@excite.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 8:29 am, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
That's a tough one, but from personal experience, I'd say "no" so long
as they acted as a "reasonable person". While a parent can greatly
influence their children's actions and morals; it is ultimately the
child that is responsible.
Yes, I'd tend to agree. To make an exteme example shoud Hitler's
parent's be held responsible for what Hitler engendered? On balance,
I'd say no.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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30 Apr 2007 11:24:02 AM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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On 30 Apr 2007 06:46:40 -0700, Andres64 <andresc64@excite.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 8:29 am, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
That's a tough one, but from personal experience, I'd say "no" so long
as they acted as a "reasonable person". While a parent can greatly
influence their children's actions and morals; it is ultimately the
child that is responsible.
Yes, I'd tend to agree. To make an exteme example shoud Hitler's
parent's be held responsible for what Hitler engendered? On balance,
I'd say no.
What about Duke and JYoung?
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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30 Apr 2007 01:23:40 PM |
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On 30 apr, 18:24, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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On 30 Apr 2007 06:46:40 -0700, Andres64 <andres...@excite.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 8:29 am, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
That's a tough one, but from personal experience, I'd say "no" so long
as they acted as a "reasonable person". While a parent can greatly
influence their children's actions and morals; it is ultimately the
child that is responsible.
Yes, I'd tend to agree. To make an exteme example shoud Hitler's
parent's be held responsible for what Hitler engendered? On balance,
I'd say no.
What about Duke and JYoung?
Ask them! Duke is sure to respond, if you put his name in the subject
line.
JYoung might not, he likes to be the OP.
Peter van Velzen
April 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "" |
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30 Apr 2007 01:22:00 PM |
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On 30 apr, 16:13, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On 30 Apr 2007 06:46:40 -0700, Andres64 <andres...@excite.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 8:29 am, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
That's a tough one, but from personal experience, I'd say "no" so long
as they acted as a "reasonable person". While a parent can greatly
influence their children's actions and morals; it is ultimately the
child that is responsible.
Yes, I'd tend to agree. To make an exteme example shoud Hitler's
parent's be held responsible for what Hitler engendered? On balance,
I'd say no.
Hitler engineered it while he was an adult.
His father died in 1903, his mother in 1907. when Adolf was only 18
years
Wether or not they neglected their son is not known, but not probable.
He got all his wrong ideas after world war One,
where he volunteerd in the German army and desserved the Iron Cross,
for saving his comrads during an attack with poisenous gass.
Later he suffered temperary blindness, during which time he himself
states,
his ideas set form.
My guess is, he was a victim of brain malfunction due to nerve-gasses.
And yes, his parents are not to blame.
Peter van Velzen
April 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "" |
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30 Apr 2007 01:05:21 PM |
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On 30 apr, 15:46, Andres64 <andres...@excite.com> wrote:
On Apr 30, 8:29 am, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
That's a tough one, but from personal experience, I'd say "no" so long
as they acted as a "reasonable person". While a parent can greatly
influence their children's actions and morals; it is ultimately the
child that is responsible.
That is not what the law says, I think.
It depents heavily on the age of the child.
Peter van Velzen (56)
April 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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30 Apr 2007 03:53:02 PM |
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:29:45 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
- Refer: <kanb33pk62gik84vis30f71r1bs7kvfk6r@4ax.com>
Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
This is a meaningless question, as it is far too general.
It depends entirely on the situation.
I could devise two scenarios for which the answer would yes, and no
respectively.
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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30 Apr 2007 08:08:53 PM |
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:29:45 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
Therion,
Yes. Until they are of legal age.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Do you think that parents are responsible for the acts and moralityof their children? |
30 Apr 2007 08:36:00 AM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
It really depends. If a child is borne of parents that say that
murdering "filthy Jews" is not wrong, then that child goes on to murder
a Jewish person, then both the child and the parents are responsible.
If the parents say that hating people is wrong and they go on to hate
anyway, then it's not the fault of the parents.
It's really bad when a broad-brush is used for any grouping of people.
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* Christianity: A belief in a cosmic Jewish zombie *
* who was his own father will let you live forever *
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* your soul that he put there a long time ago as pun- *
* ishment for all humanity because a rib-woman made *
* from a dust-man was convinced by a talking snake *
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Do you think that parents are responsible for the acts and morality of their children? |
30 Apr 2007 08:19:59 AM |
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 05:36:00 -0800, DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Therion Ware wrote:
Well, pretty much as it says in the subject line:
Your thoughts welcome.
It really depends. If a child is borne of parents that say that
murdering "filthy Jews" is not wrong, then that child goes on to murder
a Jewish person, then both the child and the parents are responsible.
And similarly if the parents have taught that one should help others,
and the child goes on to help others the parents are similarly
responsible?
If the parents say that hating people is wrong and they go on to hate
anyway, then it's not the fault of the parents.
It's really bad when a broad-brush is used for any grouping of people.
Sure, it's a terribly difficult issue in as much as one can't always
forecast how teachings will "take" in the wider context of "societal
influences", because of course parents aren't the sole influence in
the child's life. IIRC, there's some research that suggests that peer
groups are in fact *more important* than parents.
Of course, that said, I do have an ulterior motive for the
question..., that has something to do with restoring sight to those
who have been blind from birth, he said, cryptically!
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