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03 Feb 2008 05:06:48 PM |
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Does Baptism Save? |
In the following brief article, Oswald Smith makes the case that water
baptism, a work of man, is not a requirement for salvation.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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DOES BAPTISM SAVE?
by Oswald J. Smith, D.D.
Has the dispensation of baptism in connection with Salvation come to an end,
or is it still in force? Are we in that dispensation today, or do we live in
another?
From Adam to Christ, God demanded faith and sacrifices. But He does not
demand animal sacrifices today. Therefore, we must be living in another
dispensation.
From Abraham to Christ, God demanded faith and circumcision. But He does not
demand circumcision now. Again, therefore, we must be in a different
dispensation.
From Moses to Christ, God demanded faith and law. But He no longer does.
Once more, therefore, we must be in another dispensation.
From John the Baptist to Paul's New Revelation, God demanded faith and
baptism "for the remission of sins." That was the message of John the
Baptist and it was the message of Peter on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:38).
However, Paul does not once command baptism "for the remission of sins."
That belongs to the past, to a former dispensation.
No evangelist would dream of preaching it today.
The Twelve were commissioned to baptize, but Paul was not. He says, "Christ
sent me NOT to baptize" (1 Cor. 1:17). What a difference! The commission of
the Twelve was interrupted by the Church Age. During the Church Age we do
not baptize "for the remission of sins."
From Paul's New Revelation to the present, God demands faith and good works.
Now, sacrifices, circumcision, law, baptism, never saved, but they were the
proofs of a genuine faith. If a man truly believed, he would show it by
obeying the requirement for his dispensation. Man has always been saved by
faith alone.
Hence, God's program changes with each dispensation, and unless we
understand this, we will be utterly confused. There was a dispensation when
baptism was required "for the remission of sins." But it is not required in
this dispensation. There is now but one baptism connected with salvation. It
is the baptism of the Spirit, and it takes place at the time of conversion
when those who believe are baptized by the Spirit into the Body of Christ
(Eph. 4:5; 1 Cor. 12:13).
You say that no one can be saved unless he has been baptized. Now I have
always believed in and practiced water baptism, but I do not believe that
baptism is necessary for salvation.
If such is your position, then you have forgotten that Paul said, "Christ
sent me NOT to baptize" (1 Cor. 1:17). And think you that Paul would have
gone away and left his work half done if baptism were necessary for
salvation? Suppose the convert died before someone came along to baptize
him, what then?
Remember, the thief on the cross was not baptized.
Dare anyone say that none of the Friends, or Quakers, or Members of the
Salvation Army are saved, that there will be none of them in Heaven? They do
not baptize.
Jesus forgave without baptism - Mark 2:5; Luke 7:48. Baptism "for the
remission of sins" was Jewish and had to do with the proclamation of the
Kingdom. Again, I say, Paul never once commanded it.
"But," you exclaim, "the answer in the catechism to the question, 'Who gave
you this name?' is 'My sponsors in baptism; wherein I was made a Member of
Christ, a Child of God, and an inheritor of the Kingdom of Heaven'." True,
but do you not know that you are quoting from a man-made book and not from
God's Word?
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not
(whether baptized or not) shall be damned (Mark 16:16). It does not say that
those who have not been baptized will be damned; it says that those who have
NOT BELIEVED will be damned.
"Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit" (John 3:5). Water here, as
elsewhere, when used of Spiritual birth, means the Word of God. (Eph. 5:26;
1 Peter 1:23).
There is one incident in God's Word that settles forever the question of
baptism in relation to salvation, namely, the conversion of Cornelius (Acts
10:43-48). The Holy Spirit fell on them, they believed, they were granted
repentance unto life, and yet it was after all this that they were baptized.
But last of all -- and this is an unanswerable argument -- to make baptism
a condition of salvation contradicts the whole of the great Pauline teaching
regarding the Grace of God. Over and over again we are told throughout the
New Testament that faith is the one and only condition of Salvation and this
mass of unmistakable evidence cannot be brushed aside.
Thousands have experienced the New Birth when pointed to such texts as John
1:12; 3:14-18, 36; 5:24, 6:47; Acts 10:43, 13:39, 16:31; Romans 1:16,
3:19-31, 4:5; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; Philippians 3:9. If baptism
is necessary for salvation, then every statement in John's Gospel about
salvation, even though spoken by Christ Himself, is utterly false.
Salvation is either of Works or of Grace, but not of both. Paul has made
that clear. He wrote to prove conclusively that Salvation is all of grace
and "not of works, lest any man should boast" (Eph. 2:9). And baptism,
Christ said, is one of the works of righteousness (Matt. 3:15). Do not rely
upon it then for salvation, but "Put your trust in the Lord Jesus, and you
will be saved." Will you do it? Do it, and do it --- NOW.
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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03 Feb 2008 05:45:10 PM |
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"Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote in message
news:fo5hea$cdh$1@news.utelfla.com...
In the following brief article, Oswald Smith makes the case that water
baptism, a work of man, is not a requirement for salvation.
no, but being a dumbass brainwashed christian moron is
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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03 Feb 2008 05:46:52 PM |
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"Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote in message
news:fo5hea$cdh$1@news.utelfla.com...
In the following brief article, Oswald Smith makes the case that water
baptism, a work of man, is not a requirement for salvation.
what about John 14:14 carl?
why won't your HORSESHIT sky pixie god PREVENT children from being killed as
I asked in your jackass jesus's sky pixie name?
why won't your HORSESHIT god get off of his FAT, LAZY ***** and PREVENT
children from being killed ?????????????????????????????
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| User: "Carl" |
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03 Feb 2008 07:28:59 PM |
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Acts 16:25-31
25 About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and
the other prisoners were listening to them. 26 Suddenly there was such a
violent earthquake that the foundations of the prison were shaken. At once
all the prison doors flew open, and everybody's chains came loose. 27 The
jailer woke up, and when he saw the prison doors open, he drew his sword and
was about to kill himself because he thought the prisoners had escaped. 28
But Paul shouted, "Don't harm yourself! We are all here!"
29 The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul
and Silas. 30 He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to
be saved?"
31 They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved - you and
your household."
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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03 Feb 2008 08:39:33 PM |
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"Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote in message
news:fo5pot$ipl$1@news.utelfla.com...
Acts 16:25-31
25 About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God,
and the other prisoners were listening to them. 26 Suddenly there was such
a violent earthquake that the foundations of the prison were shaken. At
once all the prison doors flew open, and everybody's chains came loose. 27
The jailer woke up, and when he saw the prison doors open, he drew his
sword and was about to kill himself because he thought the prisoners had
escaped. 28 But Paul shouted, "Don't harm yourself! We are all here!"
29 The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul
and Silas. 30 He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to
be saved?"
31 They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved - you
and your household."
carl, are you STILL posting the ***** RAMBLINGS OF superstitious cave
dwellers and goat fuckers?
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| User: "Carl" |
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03 Feb 2008 06:25:48 PM |
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Mark 2:1-5
2:1 A few days later, when Jesus again entered Capernaum, the people heard
that he had come home. 2 So many gathered that there was no room left, not
even outside the door, and he preached the word to them. 3 Some men came,
bringing to him a paralytic, carried by four of them. 4 Since they could not
get him to Jesus because of the crowd, they made an opening in the roof
above Jesus and, after digging through it, lowered the mat the paralyzed man
was lying on. 5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Son,
your sins are forgiven."
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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03 Feb 2008 06:33:52 PM |
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"Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote in message
news:fo5m2e$g23$1@news.utelfla.com...
Mark 2:1-5
2:1 A few days later, when Jesus again entered Capernaum, the people heard
that he had come home. 2 So many gathered that there was no room left, not
even outside the door, and he preached the word to them. 3 Some men came,
bringing to him a paralytic, carried by four of them. 4 Since they could
not get him to Jesus because of the crowd, they made an opening in the
roof above Jesus and, after digging through it, lowered the mat the
paralyzed man was lying on. 5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the
paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven."
just more ***** ramblings from superstitious cave dwellers and goat
fuckers carl,
hasn't your SKY PIXIE said anything NEW lately?
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| User: "Seon Ferguson" |
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04 Feb 2008 05:37:00 PM |
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
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"Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote in message
news:fo5m2e$g23$1@news.utelfla.com...
Mark 2:1-5
2:1 A few days later, when Jesus again entered Capernaum, the people
heard that he had come home. 2 So many gathered that there was no room
left, not even outside the door, and he preached the word to them. 3 Some
men came, bringing to him a paralytic, carried by four of them. 4 Since
they could not get him to Jesus because of the crowd, they made an
opening in the roof above Jesus and, after digging through it, lowered
the mat the paralyzed man was lying on. 5 When Jesus saw their faith, he
said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven."
just more ***** ramblings from superstitious cave dwellers and goat
fuckers carl,
hasn't your SKY PIXIE said anything NEW lately?
Yes he said "carl get a life and stop posting your ***** on usenet" lol
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| User: "Carl" |
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03 Feb 2008 08:36:48 PM |
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On Feb 3, 9:39 pm, Steve Hayes <hayesm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:06:48 -0500, "Carl" <sai...@nettally.com> wrote:
In the following brief article, Oswald Smith makes the case that water
baptism, a work of man, is not a requirement for salvation.
Whon, baptism is NOT a work of man.
Water baptism is indeed a work of man. Who performs it? People do. Therefore
it is a work of man.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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| User: "NOSPAM nospam@nospam" |
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04 Feb 2008 08:46:49 AM |
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On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:06:48 -0500, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote:
In the following brief article, Oswald Smith makes the case that water
baptism, a work of man, is not a requirement for salvation.
Baptism in itself does not save. HOWEVER, JESUS commanded it. Tell
Smith to get lost.
He's no genius, that one.
I'll follow the commands of Jesus, thanks.
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| User: "Steve Hayes" |
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03 Feb 2008 08:39:05 PM |
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On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:06:48 -0500, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote:
In the following brief article, Oswald Smith makes the case that water
baptism, a work of man, is not a requirement for salvation.
Whon, baptism is NOT a work of man.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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