Hi,

A lot of people claim that God hates the sin and loves
the sinner. Is that Biblical? What does the Bible say
about this?

"The foolish shall not stand in Your sight. You hate
all doers of iniquity." - Psalm 5:5

It is clear by this passage, that God hates the sinner.
No amount of dancing will change that.

Anyone who tries to quote passages and claim that the
passages they quote say otherwise, has just stated that
they don't believe the whole Bible, since they are now
trying to pit Scripture against itself, in an attempt
to prove their arguments. One does not prove their
idea about what the Bible says, by trying to disprove
the Bible.
sensi:

Therefore, either the Bible is false, or they have
misunderstood the other passages, since the passage
above is clear and to the point. God hates workers of
iniquity, period.

Let's look at some others...

"The face of Jehovah is against those who do evil, to
cut off the memory of them from the earth."
- Psalm 34:16

"But the sinners are destroyed together; the end of the
wicked is cut off." - Psalm 37:38

Does God destroy those whom He loves? Is that what the
Bible teaches?

"But the fearful, and the unbelieving, and the
abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and
sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, will have
their part in the Lake burning with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death." - Revelation 21:8

Is God going to throw those He loves into the lake of
burning fire? Is that a God to be worshipped?

So then what is the Bible saying? And who is it that
it says He loves?

Many will quote the following passage...

"For God so loved the world that He gave His
only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should
not perish but have everlasting life." - John 3:16

But is this saying that God loves the sinner? Didn't
Psalm 5:5 say that God hates workers of sin? Can we
hold to both? Does the Bible contradict itself? Or is
something else being said here?

We can start by looking at the following passage...

"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is
eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
- Romans 6:23

So maybe, it isn't that God loves all people, but
rather, those whom He will save. Maybe it's that God
loved the sinner whom He predestined to be saved.
After all, doesn't Paul write about this? Take a look
at the following verses and ask yourself, who is Paul
writing to? Who is the "us"?

Romans 8:29-37

29) For whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be
conformed to the image of His Son, for Him to be the
First-born among many brothers.
30) But whom He predestinated, these He also called;
and whom He called, those He also justified. And whom
He justified, these He also glorified.
31) What then shall we say to these things? If God is
for us, who can be against us?
32) Truly He who did not spare His own Son, but
delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him
also freely give us all things?
33) Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's
elect? It is God who justifies.
34) Who is he condemning? It is Christ who has died,
but rather also who is raised, who is also at the right
hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
35) Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?
Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or
famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36) As it is written, "For Your sake we are killed all
the day long. We are counted as sheep of slaughter."
37) But in all these things we more than conquer
through Him who loved us.

So who is "us all" in v32? Who is Paul writing to?
Believers? Or non-believers?

Let's take a closer look...

John said...

"We love Him because He first loved us." - 1 John 4:10

Again, the question is, Who is "us"? Who is John
writing to? Isn't he writing to a church? Isn't he
writing to believers? So then, God loved the believers
whom He would save. Again, Paul has something to say
about this also.

"But God commends His love toward us in that while we
were yet sinners Christ died for us." - Romans 5:8

Once again, Who is "we"? Who is "us"? Isn't Paul
writing to the CHURCH in Rome? Paul is NOT writing to
the unsaved world here. God loved US while WE were yet
sinners and God SAVED US.

So knowing now that the Bible is talking about God
loving those who are saved and those whom He would/will
save and knowing that God clearly said He hates sinners
(which, by deduction, are those who will not be saved),
does it make sense to claim that God loves everyone and
just hates their sin? No, of course not.

So keeping this in mind, how does one deal with the
sinner? Take a read through the following, which can
be applied to murderers, adulterers, etc....

From, "The Evidence Bible"...

How Should I Witness To A Homosexual?

Rather than offend homosexuals by directly confronting
the issue of their sinful lifestyle, modern evangelism
often tries to soften the approach by saying that God
hates the sin, but loves the sinner. This isn't a new
concept. Charles Finney stated, God is not angry merely
against the sin abstracted from the sinner, but against
the sinner himself. Some persons have labored hard to
set up this ridiculous and absurd abstraction, and
would fain make it appear that God is angry at sin, yet
not at the sinner. He hates the theft, but loves the
thief. He abhors adultery, but is pleased with the
adulterer. Now this is supreme nonsense. The sin has
no moral character apart from the sinner. The act is
nothing apart from the actor. The very thing that God
hates and disapproves is not the mere event, the thing
done in distinction from the doer; but it is the doer
himself. It grieves and displeases Him that a rational
moral agent, under His government, should array himself
against his own God and Father, against all that is
right and just in the universe. This is the thing that
offends God. The sinner himself is the direct and the
only object of his anger. So the Bible shows. God is
angry with the wicked [Psalm 7:11], not with the
abstract sin. If the wicked turn not, God will whet
His sword. He has bent His bow and made it ready not
to shoot at the sin, but the sinner, the wicked man who
has done the abominable thing. This is the only
doctrine of either the Bible or of common sense on this
subject (The Guilt of Sin). The biblical way to
witness to a homosexual is not to argue with him about
his lifestyle but to use the Law to bring the knowledge
of sin. This will show him that he is guilty of
breaking God's holy Law, and he is damned not because
of, but despite his sexual preference. The Law was
made for homosexuals, as well as other lawbreakers.

Let's not claim that the sin is some separate entity.
If that were true, there would be no Hell, because God
would not send sinners to a place like that, if they
were separate from their sin. James said...

James 1:14-15

14) But each one is tempted by HIS LUSTS, being drawn
away and seduced by them.
15) Then when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin.
And sin, when it is fully formed, brings forth death.

Man is tempted by HIS OWN lusts. Stop blaming the
Devil for your own actions. Stop pretending that the
sins people commit and the people, are two separate
things. They aren't. God judges THE PERSON. That
should say it all, shouldn't it?


--

Antagonist for God

Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

http://tinyurl.com/ce97m

Hi,

A lot of people claim that God hates the sin and loves
the sinner. Is that Biblical? What does the Bible say
about this?

"The foolish shall not stand in Your sight. You hate
all doers of iniquity." - Psalm 5:5

Hi,

A lot of people claim that God hates the sin and loves
the sinner. Is that Biblical? What does the Bible say
about this?

"The foolish shall not stand in Your sight. You hate
all doers of iniquity." - Psalm 5:5

It is clear by this passage, that God hates the sinner.
No amount of dancing will change that.

Anyone who tries to quote passages and claim that the
passages they quote say otherwise, has just stated that
they don't believe the whole Bible, since they are now
trying to pit Scripture against itself, in an attempt
to prove their arguments. One does not prove their
idea about what the Bible says, by trying to disprove
the Bible.

Therefore, either the Bible is false, or they have
misunderstood the other passages, since the passage
above is clear and to the point. God hates workers of
iniquity, period.

Let's look at some others...

"The face of Jehovah is against those who do evil, to
cut off the memory of them from the earth."
- Psalm 34:16

"But the sinners are destroyed together; the end of the
wicked is cut off." - Psalm 37:38

Does God destroy those whom He loves? Is that what the
Bible teaches?

"But the fearful, and the unbelieving, and the
abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and
sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, will have
their part in the Lake burning with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death." - Revelation 21:8

Is God going to throw those He loves into the lake of
burning fire? Is that a God to be worshipped?

So then what is the Bible saying? And who is it that
it says He loves?

Many will quote the following passage...

"For God so loved the world that He gave His
only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should
not perish but have everlasting life." - John 3:16

But is this saying that God loves the sinner? Didn't
Psalm 5:5 say that God hates workers of sin? Can we
hold to both? Does the Bible contradict itself? Or is
something else being said here?

We can start by looking at the following passage...

"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is
eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
- Romans 6:23

So maybe, it isn't that God loves all people, but
rather, those whom He will save. Maybe it's that God
loved the sinner whom He predestined to be saved.
After all, doesn't Paul write about this? Take a look
at the following verses and ask yourself, who is Paul
writing to? Who is the "us"?

Romans 8:29-37

29) For whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be
conformed to the image of His Son, for Him to be the
First-born among many brothers.
30) But whom He predestinated, these He also called;
and whom He called, those He also justified. And whom
He justified, these He also glorified.
31) What then shall we say to these things? If God is
for us, who can be against us?
32) Truly He who did not spare His own Son, but
delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him
also freely give us all things?
33) Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's
elect? It is God who justifies.
34) Who is he condemning? It is Christ who has died,
but rather also who is raised, who is also at the right
hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
35) Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?
Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or
famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36) As it is written, "For Your sake we are killed all
the day long. We are counted as sheep of slaughter."
37) But in all these things we more than conquer
through Him who loved us.

So who is "us all" in v32? Who is Paul writing to?
Believers? Or non-believers?

Let's take a closer look...

John said...

"We love Him because He first loved us." - 1 John 4:10

Again, the question is, Who is "us"? Who is John
writing to? Isn't he writing to a church? Isn't he
writing to believers? So then, God loved the believers
whom He would save. Again, Paul has something to say
about this also.

"But God commends His love toward us in that while we
were yet sinners Christ died for us." - Romans 5:8

Once again, Who is "we"? Who is "us"? Isn't Paul
writing to the CHURCH in Rome? Paul is NOT writing to
the unsaved world here. God loved US while WE were yet
sinners and God SAVED US.

So knowing now that the Bible is talking about God
loving those who are saved and those whom He would/will
save and knowing that God clearly said He hates sinners
(which, by deduction, are those who will not be saved),
does it make sense to claim that God loves everyone and
just hates their sin? No, of course not.

So keeping this in mind, how does one deal with the
sinner? Take a read through the following, which can
be applied to murderers, adulterers, etc....

From, "The Evidence Bible"...

How Should I Witness To A Homosexual?

Rather than offend homosexuals by directly confronting
the issue of their sinful lifestyle, modern evangelism
often tries to soften the approach by saying that God
hates the sin, but loves the sinner. This isn't a new
concept. Charles Finney stated, God is not angry merely
against the sin abstracted from the sinner, but against
the sinner himself. Some persons have labored hard to
set up this ridiculous and absurd abstraction, and
would fain make it appear that God is angry at sin, yet
not at the sinner. He hates the theft, but loves the
thief. He abhors adultery, but is pleased with the
adulterer. Now this is supreme nonsense. The sin has
no moral character apart from the sinner. The act is
nothing apart from the actor. The very thing that God
hates and disapproves is not the mere event, the thing
done in distinction from the doer; but it is the doer
himself. It grieves and displeases Him that a rational
moral agent, under His government, should array himself
against his own God and Father, against all that is
right and just in the universe. This is the thing that
offends God. The sinner himself is the direct and the
only object of his anger. So the Bible shows. God is
angry with the wicked [Psalm 7:11], not with the
abstract sin. If the wicked turn not, God will whet
His sword. He has bent His bow and made it ready not
to shoot at the sin, but the sinner, the wicked man who
has done the abominable thing. This is the only
doctrine of either the Bible or of common sense on this
subject (The Guilt of Sin). The biblical way to
witness to a homosexual is not to argue with him about
his lifestyle but to use the Law to bring the knowledge
of sin. This will show him that he is guilty of
breaking God's holy Law, and he is damned not because
of, but despite his sexual preference. The Law was
made for homosexuals, as well as other lawbreakers.

Let's not claim that the sin is some separate entity.
If that were true, there would be no Hell, because God
would not send sinners to a place like that, if they
were separate from their sin. James said...

James 1:14-15

14) But each one is tempted by HIS LUSTS, being drawn
away and seduced by them.
15) Then when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin.
And sin, when it is fully formed, brings forth death.

Man is tempted by HIS OWN lusts. Stop blaming the
Devil for your own actions. Stop pretending that the
sins people commit and the people, are two separate
things. They aren't. God judges THE PERSON. That
should say it all, shouldn't it?

Hi,

A lot of people claim that God hates the sin and loves
the sinner. Is that Biblical? What does the Bible say
about this?

"The foolish shall not stand in Your sight. You hate
all doers of iniquity." - Psalm 5:5

It is clear by this passage, that God hates the sinner.
No amount of dancing will change that.

Anyone who tries to quote passages and claim that the
passages they quote say otherwise, has just stated that
they don't believe the whole Bible, since they are now
trying to pit Scripture against itself, in an attempt
to prove their arguments. One does not prove their
idea about what the Bible says, by trying to disprove
the Bible.

Therefore, either the Bible is false, or they have
misunderstood the other passages, since the passage
above is clear and to the point. God hates workers of
iniquity, period.

Let's look at some others...

"The face of Jehovah is against those who do evil, to
cut off the memory of them from the earth."
- Psalm 34:16

"But the sinners are destroyed together; the end of the
wicked is cut off." - Psalm 37:38

Does God destroy those whom He loves? Is that what the
Bible teaches?

"But the fearful, and the unbelieving, and the
abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and
sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, will have
their part in the Lake burning with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death." - Revelation 21:8

Is God going to throw those He loves into the lake of
burning fire? Is that a God to be worshipped?

So then what is the Bible saying? And who is it that
it says He loves?

Many will quote the following passage...

"For God so loved the world that He gave His
only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should
not perish but have everlasting life." - John 3:16

But is this saying that God loves the sinner? Didn't
Psalm 5:5 say that God hates workers of sin?

Can we
hold to both? Does the Bible contradict itself? Or is
something else being said here?

We can start by looking at the following passage...

"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is
eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
- Romans 6:23

So maybe, it isn't that God loves all people, but
rather, those whom He will save. Maybe it's that God
loved the sinner whom He predestined to be saved.

After all, doesn't Paul write about this? Take a look
at the following verses and ask yourself, who is Paul
writing to? Who is the "us"?

Romans 8:29-37

29) For whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be
conformed to the image of His Son, for Him to be the
First-born among many brothers.
30) But whom He predestinated, these He also called;
and whom He called, those He also justified. And whom
He justified, these He also glorified.
31) What then shall we say to these things? If God is
for us, who can be against us?
32) Truly He who did not spare His own Son, but
delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him
also freely give us all things?
33) Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's
elect? It is God who justifies.
34) Who is he condemning? It is Christ who has died,
but rather also who is raised, who is also at the right
hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
35) Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?
Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or
famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36) As it is written, "For Your sake we are killed all
the day long. We are counted as sheep of slaughter."
37) But in all these things we more than conquer
through Him who loved us.

So who is "us all" in v32? Who is Paul writing to?
Believers? Or non-believers?

Let's take a closer look...

John said...

"We love Him because He first loved us." - 1 John 4:10

Again, the question is, Who is "us"? Who is John
writing to? Isn't he writing to a church? Isn't he
writing to believers? So then, God loved the believers
whom He would save. Again, Paul has something to say
about this also.

"But God commends His love toward us in that while we
were yet sinners Christ died for us." - Romans 5:8

Once again, Who is "we"? Who is "us"? Isn't Paul
writing to the CHURCH in Rome? Paul is NOT writing to
the unsaved world here. God loved US while WE were yet
sinners and God SAVED US.

So knowing now that the Bible is talking about God
loving those who are saved and those whom He would/will
save and knowing that God clearly said He hates sinners
(which, by deduction, are those who will not be saved),
does it make sense to claim that God loves everyone and
just hates their sin? No, of course not.

So keeping this in mind, how does one deal with the
sinner? Take a read through the following, which can
be applied to murderers, adulterers, etc....