Religions > Bible > Does God Tempt? Did he tempt the woman in Texas who recently killed her children after reading the Bible?
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03 Apr 2004 05:57:27 AM |
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Does God Tempt? Did he tempt the woman in Texas who recently killed her children after reading the Bible? |
You can read the story on CNN if you haven't already heard it:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/31/children.slain.ap/index.html
Interesting this is quote:
"On Thursday, Laney's older sister said Laney was eating less, losing weight
and reading the Bible more in the weeks before admitted killing her two
older sons and severely injuring her toddler."
Could it be the woman read the following verses:
Hosea 13
http://tinyurl.com/yscss
16The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because
they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army,
their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women
ripped open by swords." (NLT)
Psalm 137
http://tinyurl.com/2ozot
8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us-
9 he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
This wouldn't be the first time God told a a parent to kill his/her
children. In Genesis 22:1-2 we read that God commanded Abraham to sacrifice
his son Isaac:
http://tinyurl.com/29wac
Can we honestly believe that God would tell a someone to kill their
children? In James 1:13 we read:
http://tinyurl.com/3656d
"13When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be
tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; "
That sounds pretty clear, but we have a very strong and obvious
contradiction in the Bible: How could God tempt Abraham if God cannot does
not tempt anyone? And why are women killing their children because "God
told them to"?
For more information on the Bible, it's contradictions, and why it can't
possibly be true, see: http://tinyurl.com/258t8
Michael
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| User: "Dore" |
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03 Apr 2004 10:56:00 PM |
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"Michael" <please_do_not_reply@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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This wouldn't be the first time God told a a parent to kill his/her
children. In Genesis 22:1-2 we read that God commanded Abraham to
sacrifice
his son Isaac:
http://tinyurl.com/29wac
Can we honestly believe that God would tell a someone to kill their
children? In James 1:13 we read:
The difference is, that Abraham DID NOT kill his son, for God sent an angel
to prevent it. So since, there was NO intervention by God, then GOD did NOT
tell those people who succeed, to perform the act, SATAN did.
cont
That sounds pretty clear, but we have a very strong and obvious
contradiction in the Bible: How could God tempt Abraham if God cannot
does
not tempt anyone? And why are women killing their children because "God
told them to"?
God didn't TEMPT Abraham, He told him outright what he was supposed to do.
And I will tell you WHY he did. Since Abraham was a servant of God, who
LOVED Isaac above all else, God wanted to test Abraham loyalty to HIM, so He
told Abraham to sacrifice his son, to see if Abraham would be willing to
sacrifice the one he loved more than anything else, proving his LOVE for
GOD, and because Abraham PROVED that His loyalty to God was greater than
even his love for his son, GOD spared Isaac and blessed Abraham. People who
are killing their children or anyone today because they think God told them
to, is because it is SATAN tempting them, for he comes as an angel of light,
impersonating God, especially in these end times, of very evil days. When
someone hears a voice from the spiritual realm, they immediately THINK it is
GOD, but it is not, for SATAN speaks louder and first from the spiritual
realm and that is why he is the son of the morning, because upon awakening
from sleep is when his voice is heard the most.
cont
For more information on the Bible, it's contradictions, and why it can't
possibly be true, see: http://tinyurl.com/258t8
Obviously, you don't know how to interpret the Bible, nor can you comprehend
it's truths and meanings, nor have any knowledge, wisdom or truths of
spiritual things, because your interpretations, as in this case, is NOT
contradiction, but your twist and distortion of Biblical events because you
are evil, ungodly and in darkness.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Michael" <please_do_not_reply@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c4m8qh$v8m$1@news-reader4.wanadoo.fr...
You can read the story on CNN if you haven't already heard it:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/31/children.slain.ap/index.html
Interesting this is quote:
"On Thursday, Laney's older sister said Laney was eating less, losing
weight
and reading the Bible more in the weeks before admitted killing her two
older sons and severely injuring her toddler."
Could it be the woman read the following verses:
Hosea 13
http://tinyurl.com/yscss
16The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because
they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army,
their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women
ripped open by swords." (NLT)
Psalm 137
http://tinyurl.com/2ozot
8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us-
9 he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
This wouldn't be the first time God told a a parent to kill his/her
children. In Genesis 22:1-2 we read that God commanded Abraham to
sacrifice
his son Isaac:
http://tinyurl.com/29wac
Can we honestly believe that God would tell a someone to kill their
children? In James 1:13 we read:
http://tinyurl.com/3656d
"13When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot
be
tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; "
That sounds pretty clear, but we have a very strong and obvious
contradiction in the Bible: How could God tempt Abraham if God cannot
does
not tempt anyone? And why are women killing their children because "God
told them to"?
For more information on the Bible, it's contradictions, and why it can't
possibly be true, see: http://tinyurl.com/258t8
Michael
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| User: "Michael" |
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04 Apr 2004 01:47:03 AM |
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The difference is, that Abraham DID NOT kill his son, for God sent an
angel
to prevent it. So since, there was NO intervention by God, then GOD did
NOT
tell those people who succeed, to perform the act, SATAN did.
I could say that God tempted the woman in Texas who beat her children with
rocks, and that it wasn't Satan. God wanted to test her, but he got busy
and forgot to stop her just before she too the rock and smashed it into her
child's head.
And I will tell you WHY he did. Since Abraham was a servant of God, who
LOVED Isaac above all else, God wanted to test Abraham loyalty to HIM, so
He
told Abraham to sacrifice his son, to see if Abraham would be willing to
sacrifice the one he loved more than anything else, proving his LOVE for
Ok, think about what you're saying for a minute. I know it's hard because
you've been hearing these stories for years and years, but just for a
second, think about it objectively. If God is all powerful and all knowing,
then why does he have to test Abraham? He KNOWS what Abraham will do. To
say that God would have to test Abraham is saying that God is incapable of
knowing what Abraham is thinking and what Abraham will do. So either God is
all powerful or he is not. He can't be both, yet in the Bible we read how
he is both. NOT POSSIBLE!
Obviously, you don't know how to interpret the Bible, nor can you
comprehend
it's truths and meanings, nor have any knowledge, wisdom or truths of
spiritual things, because your interpretations, as in this case, is NOT
contradiction, but your twist and distortion of Biblical events because
you
are evil, ungodly and in darkness.
I was brainwashed into the Christian thinking for most of my life. Recently
I started to actually read the Bible and I decided it didn't make sense. So
I started thinking on my own. That does not make me evil or in darkness. I
am for humanity, not for imposing religious beliefs on others or killing
people because they belief differently.
Michael
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| User: "Dore" |
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05 Apr 2004 07:02:49 PM |
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"Michael" <please_do_not_reply@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I could say that God tempted the woman in Texas who beat her children with
rocks, and that it wasn't Satan. God wanted to test her, but he got busy
and forgot to stop her just before she too the rock and smashed it into
her
child's head.
God doesn't tell people to do things and then get busy and FORGET,
especially, since He plans everything ahead of time. How ludicrous!
cont
Ok, think about what you're saying for a minute. I know it's hard because
you've been hearing these stories for years and years, but just for a
second, think about it objectively. If God is all powerful and all
knowing,
then why does he have to test Abraham? He KNOWS what Abraham will do. To
say that God would have to test Abraham is saying that God is incapable of
knowing what Abraham is thinking and what Abraham will do. So either God
is
all powerful or he is not. He can't be both, yet in the Bible we read how
he is both. NOT POSSIBLE!
God gave all of His creation free will and choice, thus they need to be
tested. Any man can change their minds at any instance, so even knowing what
Abraham was thinking doesn't mean that the devil wouldn't come in at the
last minute and tempt and influence that decision. God being all powerful,
doesn't have anything to do with knowing what men do. They are two different
things. God is all powerful because He can cause anything to occur, as well
as the confidence to stand back and allow men to make their own choices.
cont
I was brainwashed into the Christian thinking for most of my life.
Recently
I started to actually read the Bible and I decided it didn't make sense.
So
I started thinking on my own. That does not make me evil or in darkness.
I
am for humanity, not for imposing religious beliefs on others or killing
people because they belief differently.
You were brainwashed into whatever the teachers that you were exposed to
believed, perhaps NOT the real truths of Christianity. Obviously, you
haven't read much of the Bible because the gospels are easy to make sense
out of. ANY disobedience, lack of faith, disrespect of God, or sin is EVIL
and because you don't understand even the easy gospel teachings, then it
DOES mean that you are in darkness.
John 1:5
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
KJV
You are NOT for humanity, because you reject the truths, righteousness and
goodness that the Bible teaches, that would bring peace, love, contentment,
kindness, compassion, understanding, etc to humanity. GOD is CREATOR OF ALL,
therefore if you do NOT obey and serve HIM, then you are obeying and serving
EVIL.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Michael" <please_do_not_reply@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c4oegt$nip$1@news-reader1.wanadoo.fr...
The difference is, that Abraham DID NOT kill his son, for God sent an
angel
to prevent it. So since, there was NO intervention by God, then GOD did
NOT
tell those people who succeed, to perform the act, SATAN did.
I could say that God tempted the woman in Texas who beat her children with
rocks, and that it wasn't Satan. God wanted to test her, but he got busy
and forgot to stop her just before she too the rock and smashed it into
her
child's head.
And I will tell you WHY he did. Since Abraham was a servant of God, who
LOVED Isaac above all else, God wanted to test Abraham loyalty to HIM,
so
He
told Abraham to sacrifice his son, to see if Abraham would be willing to
sacrifice the one he loved more than anything else, proving his LOVE for
Ok, think about what you're saying for a minute. I know it's hard because
you've been hearing these stories for years and years, but just for a
second, think about it objectively. If God is all powerful and all
knowing,
then why does he have to test Abraham? He KNOWS what Abraham will do. To
say that God would have to test Abraham is saying that God is incapable of
knowing what Abraham is thinking and what Abraham will do. So either God
is
all powerful or he is not. He can't be both, yet in the Bible we read how
he is both. NOT POSSIBLE!
Obviously, you don't know how to interpret the Bible, nor can you
comprehend
it's truths and meanings, nor have any knowledge, wisdom or truths of
spiritual things, because your interpretations, as in this case, is NOT
contradiction, but your twist and distortion of Biblical events because
you
are evil, ungodly and in darkness.
I was brainwashed into the Christian thinking for most of my life.
Recently
I started to actually read the Bible and I decided it didn't make sense.
So
I started thinking on my own. That does not make me evil or in darkness.
I
am for humanity, not for imposing religious beliefs on others or killing
people because they belief differently.
Michael
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| User: "Michael" |
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07 Apr 2004 03:13:59 PM |
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God gave all of His creation free will and choice, thus they need to be
tested. Any man can change their minds at any instance, so even knowing
what
Abraham was thinking doesn't mean that the devil wouldn't come in at the
last minute and tempt and influence that decision. God being all powerful,
doesn't have anything to do with knowing what men do. They are two
different
things. God is all powerful because He can cause anything to occur, as
well
as the confidence to stand back and allow men to make their own choices.
What you are saying is nonsense. Either God is all powerful, all knowing,
in which case there is NO free will. Think about it, if God knows our
future, then that means we are incapable of changing it. And that means
there is no free will.
You were brainwashed into whatever the teachers that you were exposed to
believed, perhaps NOT the real truths of Christianity. Obviously, you
haven't read much of the Bible because the gospels are easy to make sense
out of. ANY disobedience, lack of faith, disrespect of God, or sin is EVIL
and because you don't understand even the easy gospel teachings, then it
DOES mean that you are in darkness.
I've read the gospels and several other books/websites on the subject. How
do you explain all the contradictions in the gospels?
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| User: "Dore" |
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09 Apr 2004 01:25:49 AM |
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"Michael" <please_do_not_reply@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What you are saying is nonsense. Either God is all powerful, all knowing,
in which case there is NO free will. Think about it, if God knows our
future, then that means we are incapable of changing it. And that means
there is no free will.
God KNOWING all things, and being ALL powerful does NOT remove your FREE
WILL and choice. Just because God KNOWS what your choices are, doesn't mean
you have NO power to make them.
cont
I've read the gospels and several other books/websites on the subject.
How
do you explain all the contradictions in the gospels?
The Bible is a compilation of writings, letters, and scripts of people who
knew God, walked with Him, served Him, experienced Him in some way or wrote
of those who did. As much as His words and truths were recorded there, also
the thoughts, ideas, beliefs and concepts of the writers were contained as
well. The contradictions were of the writers own, however, the truths of
God, HIS words, commands, demands, ways, will, plan, attributes,
personality, etc are contained therein as well. It is YOUR job to seek it
all out and DO the will of God, so that the Holy Spirit of truth can guide
you into all truths, so you can discern what is from God and truth and what
is from the writers own ideas, thoughts, concepts and beliefs.
Explain to me, why you refuse to take the WORDS from God's own mouth
seriously, and instead make excuses of why you don't have to, with the
excuse of contradiction.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Michael" <please_do_not_reply@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c51ncp$eea$1@news-reader2.wanadoo.fr...
God gave all of His creation free will and choice, thus they need to be
tested. Any man can change their minds at any instance, so even knowing
what
Abraham was thinking doesn't mean that the devil wouldn't come in at the
last minute and tempt and influence that decision. God being all
powerful,
doesn't have anything to do with knowing what men do. They are two
different
things. God is all powerful because He can cause anything to occur, as
well
as the confidence to stand back and allow men to make their own choices.
What you are saying is nonsense. Either God is all powerful, all knowing,
in which case there is NO free will. Think about it, if God knows our
future, then that means we are incapable of changing it. And that means
there is no free will.
You were brainwashed into whatever the teachers that you were exposed to
believed, perhaps NOT the real truths of Christianity. Obviously, you
haven't read much of the Bible because the gospels are easy to make
sense
out of. ANY disobedience, lack of faith, disrespect of God, or sin is
EVIL
and because you don't understand even the easy gospel teachings, then it
DOES mean that you are in darkness.
I've read the gospels and several other books/websites on the subject.
How
do you explain all the contradictions in the gospels?
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| User: "Philip Giddings" |
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| Title: Re: Does God Tempt? Did he tempt the woman in Texas who recently killed her children after reading the Bible? |
05 Apr 2004 10:48:16 AM |
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I could say that God tempted the woman in Texas who beat her children with
rocks, and that it wasn't Satan. God wanted to test her, but he got busy
and forgot to stop her just before she too the rock and smashed it into her
child's head.
he got busy and forgot? that's sophmoric and immature. an
omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent being can't "get busy and
forget"
If God is all powerful and all knowing,
then why does he have to test Abraham?
Yes, God already knew what Abraham would choose. But Abraham didn't.
The reason for the test was to illustrate to Abraham himself the depth
and importance of his faith.
I was brainwashed into the Christian thinking for most of my life. Recently
I started to actually read the Bible and I decided it didn't make sense. So
I started thinking on my own. That does not make me evil or in darkness. I
am for humanity, not for imposing religious beliefs on others or killing
people because they belief differently.
God wants you to think for yourself. You are to be commended for it.
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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05 Apr 2004 09:37:57 PM |
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"Philip Giddings" <pgiddings@adventhome.org> wrote in
Yes, God already knew what Abraham would choose.
But Abraham didn't.
The reason for the test was to illustrate to Abraham himself
the depth and importance of his faith.
*****.
Abraham was willing to murder his own son.
Any rational person would have refused to do such an act.
--
Wax
Men never do evil so completely
and cheerfully as when they do it
from religious conviction
Blaise Pascal
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| User: "Dore" |
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09 Apr 2004 01:18:10 AM |
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"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message
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*****.
Abraham was willing to murder his own son.
Any rational person would have refused to do such an act.
Obviously, YOU have no idea of what awesome and incredible love for God is
like.
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Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message
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"Philip Giddings" <pgiddings@adventhome.org> wrote in
Yes, God already knew what Abraham would choose.
But Abraham didn't.
The reason for the test was to illustrate to Abraham himself
the depth and importance of his faith.
*****.
Abraham was willing to murder his own son.
Any rational person would have refused to do such an act.
--
Wax
Men never do evil so completely
and cheerfully as when they do it
from religious conviction
Blaise Pascal
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09 Apr 2004 02:11:03 PM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message
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*****.
Abraham was willing to murder his own son.
Any rational person would have refused to do such an act.
Obviously, YOU have no idea of what awesome and
incredible love for God is like.
awesome
\Awe"some\, a.
1. Causing awe; appalling; awful; as, an awesome sight.
2. Expressive of awe or terror.
in·cred·i·ble
adj.
1. So implausible as to elicit disbelief:
2. Astonishing:
http://dictionary.reference.com/
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Wax
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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09 Apr 2004 10:58:17 AM |
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Dore wrote:
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message
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*****.
Abraham was willing to murder his own son.
Any rational person would have refused to do such an act.
Obviously, YOU have no idea of what awesome and incredible love for God is
like.
--
Dore
===>Crazy Dore does understand it.
If she believed "God" told him to do it, she would do it, too.
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08 Apr 2004 12:20:11 PM |
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"Michael" <please_do_not_reply@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c4m8qh$v8m$1@news-reader4.wanadoo.fr...
You can read the story on CNN if you haven't already heard it:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/31/children.slain.ap/index.html
Interesting this is quote:
"On Thursday, Laney's older sister said Laney was eating less, losing
weight
and reading the Bible more in the weeks before admitted killing her two
older sons and severely injuring her toddler."
Could it be the woman read the following verses:
Hosea 13
http://tinyurl.com/yscss
16The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because
they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army,
their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women
ripped open by swords." (NLT)
The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because
they rebelled against their God.
God had nothing to do with the invasion.
Psalm 137
http://tinyurl.com/2ozot
The captive's cry for vengance on Babylon, whose rabble horde burned their
children alive.
"Remember, O Lord, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem, who said
raze even to the foundation".
8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us-
9 he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
This wouldn't be the first time God told a a parent to kill his/her
children. In Genesis 22:1-2 we read that God commanded Abraham to
sacrifice
his son Isaac:
http://tinyurl.com/29wac
"And it came to pass after these things, that God did test Abraham". (Test
not tempt.)
Due to constant disappointment, God started to test his appointee's due to:
God choose Adam to be a leader, he made a mess of things.
God choose Noah and his tribe, they started to build a tower to get to
heaven and make a mess of things.
God then decided to test Abram's obedience the most effective way, Abram's
failure to not obey God would result in his son anxiety, safety, and Abram
would not be choosen to be a leader.
"And Abram said, my son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt
offering". That statement showed Abram's unbending trust in God. It was a
ram though, God works in His own way..
Can we honestly believe that God would tell a someone to kill their
children? In James 1:13 we read:
http://tinyurl.com/3656d
"13When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot
be
tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; "
That sounds pretty clear, but we have a very strong and obvious
contradiction in the Bible: How could God tempt Abraham if God cannot
does
not tempt anyone? And why are women killing their children because "God
told them to"?
For more information on the Bible, it's contradictions, and why it can't
possibly be true, see: http://tinyurl.com/258t8
Michael
The Bible does have contradictions, true put there by man for lack of
understanding, and therefore misinterpration. God spoke, man sometimes does
not understand.
"Knowing this, that the testing of your faith worketh patience. But let
patience have perfect work, that you may be perfect and entire, lacking
nothing".
I will never try to change your opinion of the Bible, only your spirit can
do that.
Louis.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Does God Tempt? Did he tempt the woman in Texas who recently killed her children after reading the Bible? |
03 Apr 2004 06:21:20 AM |
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On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:57:27 +0200, "Michael"
<please_do_not_reply@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
You can read the story on CNN if you haven't already heard it:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/31/children.slain.ap/index.html
Interesting this is quote:
"On Thursday, Laney's older sister said Laney was eating less, losing weight
and reading the Bible more in the weeks before admitted killing her two
older sons and severely injuring her toddler."
Could it be the woman read the following verses:
Hosea 13
http://tinyurl.com/yscss
16The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because
they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army,
their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women
ripped open by swords." (NLT)
Psalm 137
http://tinyurl.com/2ozot
8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us-
9 he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
This wouldn't be the first time God told a a parent to kill his/her
children. In Genesis 22:1-2 we read that God commanded Abraham to sacrifice
his son Isaac:
http://tinyurl.com/29wac
People read things and act on what they think the text
says all the time. Does that mean that your out of
context quotes are saying that they should do it, or
that their mental illness tells them to do it?
Can we honestly believe that God would tell a someone to kill their
children? In James 1:13 we read:
http://tinyurl.com/3656d
"13When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be
tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; "
That sounds pretty clear, but we have a very strong and obvious
contradiction in the Bible: How could God tempt Abraham if God cannot does
not tempt anyone? And why are women killing their children because "God
told them to"?
For more information on the Bible, it's contradictions, and why it can't
possibly be true, see: http://tinyurl.com/258t8
Michael
Now you've made a claim of contradictions. Now I
demand that you back it up. Not with web pages, put up
by atheists, who did no more research than you did and
take Scripture out of context on a regular basis.
I want YOU to back up YOUR claim, in YOUR OWN words,
right HERE.
Are you up for the challenge?
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"If the solar system was brought about by an accidental
collision, then the appearance of organic life on this
planet was also an accident and the whole evolution of
man was an accident too. If so, then all our thought
processes are mere accidents - the accidental
by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds
for the materialists' and astronomers' as well as for
anyone else's. But if their thoughts - i.e., of
materialism and astronomy - are merely accidental
by-products, why should we believe them to be true?
I see no reason for believing that one accident
should be able to give a correct account of all
the other accidents." - C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock
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| User: "Michael" |
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| Title: Re: Does God Tempt? Did he tempt the woman in Texas who recently killed her children after reading the Bible? |
03 Apr 2004 04:57:20 PM |
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I want YOU to back up YOUR claim, in YOUR OWN words,
right HERE.
Are you up for the challenge?
Yes, but I don't see the challenge. In Genesis we read how God tempted
Abraham and in James we read how God can't tempt anyone. In logic sense:
Let A = God tempted
Let B = God can't tempt
It's obvious A & B are completely opposite, and therefore at least one must
be false, which leads to C below:
Let C = Either Genesis or James is false
Let D = The Bible is the inerrent word of God and is the perfect truth
It's obvious that C & D are completely opposite, therefore at least one must
be false. We also know that C is true, which means D is false. Therefore:
The Bible is NOT the inerrent word of God and is NOT the perfect truth.
There are tons of contradictions in the Bible, this is just another one.
There is no logic in the Bible, because it is a collection of made-up
stories accumulated over hundreds of years by ancient men. I just wish
Christians would think for themselves for once instead of repeating what
they were brainwashed into believing.
Michael
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| User: "Philip Giddings" |
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| Title: Re: Does God Tempt? Did he tempt the woman in Texas who recently killed her children after reading the Bible? |
03 Apr 2004 10:27:36 PM |
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Yes, but I don't see the challenge. In Genesis we read how God tempted
Abraham and in James we read how God can't tempt anyone. In logic sense:
Please post the verse where you "read" that God tempted Abraham. He
TOLD Abraham to kill his son. He didn't tempt him. Telling someone
to do something is not the same as tempting them.
There are tons of contradictions in the Bible, this is just another one.
There are no contradictions in the Bible. God loved you then and he
loves you now.
There is no logic in the Bible, because it is a collection of made-up
stories accumulated over hundreds of years by ancient men.
The libraries of the world today have many collections of made up
stories from ancient men. We study a lot of them in literature
classes. Fortunately the Bible is not fiction. We can be sure of
that because of the very real and tangible results in our lives when
we form a relationship with Jesus.
I just wish
Christians would think for themselves for once instead of repeating what
they were brainwashed into believing.
Take Mathematics for example. You and I were both brainwashed into
believing that 2+2 equaled 4. We accepted that as true without asking
questions. Is that healthy? absolutely not. We should ask questions.
And when we do seek to find out our own mathematical truths we
realize that the teachers were right when they taught us 2+2=4.
Learning should always go hand in hand with questioning and thinking
for yourself. The fact that we still believe what the Bible today
doesn't mean we haven't questioned it in our lives. I question what I
read everyday. Seek guidance from the Lord before you open the Bible
and the truths will come out clearly.
I Love You
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| User: "Michael" |
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04 Apr 2004 01:40:46 AM |
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The libraries of the world today have many collections of made up
stories from ancient men. We study a lot of them in literature
classes. Fortunately the Bible is not fiction. We can be sure of
that because of the very real and tangible results in our lives when
we form a relationship with Jesus.
The only "Jesus" is inside us, and the results we see are the results of
forming a relationship with our inner beings. Why are Christians so humble
that they can't take credit for something good in their lives? It's always
"God gave me" or "God helped me" or "God pulled me through". Why is it
impossible that "I earned this" or "I did this" or "I made it through". I
can prove that it's possible to accomplish and have without God, look at all
the accomplished athiests!
Take Mathematics for example. You and I were both brainwashed into
believing that 2+2 equaled 4. We accepted that as true without asking
questions. Is that healthy? absolutely not. We should ask questions.
And when we do seek to find out our own mathematical truths we
realize that the teachers were right when they taught us 2+2=4.
No, we're taught how to prove it as children when we count on our fingers.
Learning should always go hand in hand with questioning and thinking
for yourself. The fact that we still believe what the Bible today
doesn't mean we haven't questioned it in our lives. I question what I
read everyday. Seek guidance from the Lord before you open the Bible
and the truths will come out clearly.
Sorry, you're brainwashed man! I can't help you. But if you're happy that
way, I'm ok with it. Just don't force your beliefs on others.
Michael
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| User: "Philip Giddings" |
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05 Apr 2004 10:37:32 AM |
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The only "Jesus" is inside us, and the results we see are the results of
forming a relationship with our inner beings. Why are Christians so humble
that they can't take credit for something good in their lives? It's always
"God gave me" or "God helped me" or "God pulled me through". Why is it
impossible that "I earned this" or "I did this" or "I made it through". I
can prove that it's possible to accomplish and have without God, look at all
the accomplished athiests!
The athiest is still a human being created by God regardless of what
they believe. Our every breath and heartbeat is a gift from God so we
can do nothing completely of ourselves.
Sorry, you're brainwashed man! I can't help you. But if you're happy that
way, I'm ok with it. Just don't force your beliefs on others.
Christ didn't use force and neither should his believers. The reason
we still exist is because God didn't force his will upon us. If he
had, humans would have been destroyed after Adam and Eve sinned. Show
me in the Bible where Jesus used force to teach his beliefs. Anyone
who does try and force their religion/beliefs on others is not living
a true Christian life.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Does God Tempt? Did he tempt the woman in Texas who recently killed her children after reading the Bible? |
04 Apr 2004 01:20:42 PM |
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On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 09:40:46 +0200, "Michael"
<please_do_not_reply@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
The libraries of the world today have many collections of made up
stories from ancient men. We study a lot of them in literature
classes. Fortunately the Bible is not fiction. We can be sure of
that because of the very real and tangible results in our lives when
we form a relationship with Jesus.
The only "Jesus" is inside us, and the results we see are the results of
forming a relationship with our inner beings. Why are Christians so humble
that they can't take credit for something good in their lives?
"They are all gone out of the way, they are together
become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no,
not one." - Romans 3:12
Take Mathematics for example. You and I were both brainwashed into
believing that 2+2 equaled 4. We accepted that as true without asking
questions. Is that healthy? absolutely not. We should ask questions.
And when we do seek to find out our own mathematical truths we
realize that the teachers were right when they taught us 2+2=4.
No, we're taught how to prove it as children when we count on our fingers.
Really? Prove it then. Prove that four is the right
number.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"If life had evolved into its wondrous profusion of
creatures little by little, Dr. Eldredge argues, then
one would expect to find fossils of transitional
creatures which were a bit like what went before them
and a bit like what came after. But no one has yet
found any evidence of such transitional creatures.
This oddity has been attributed to gaps in the fossil
record which gradualists expected to fill when rock
strata of the proper age had been found. In the last
decade, however, geologists have found rock layers of
all divisions of the last 500 million years and no
transitional forms were contained in them." (The
Guardian Weekly, 26 Nov 1978, vol 119, no 22, p. 1)
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| User: "Michael" |
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| Title: Re: Does God Tempt? Did he tempt the woman in Texas who recently killed her children after reading the Bible? |
04 Apr 2004 05:14:11 PM |
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Take Mathematics for example. You and I were both brainwashed into
believing that 2+2 equaled 4. We accepted that as true without asking
questions. Is that healthy? absolutely not. We should ask questions.
And when we do seek to find out our own mathematical truths we
realize that the teachers were right when they taught us 2+2=4.
No, we're taught how to prove it as children when we count on our
fingers.
Really? Prove it then. Prove that four is the right
number.
I think you are a troll.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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06 Apr 2004 11:25:00 AM |
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On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 00:14:11 +0200, "Michael"
<please_do_not_reply@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Take Mathematics for example. You and I were both brainwashed into
believing that 2+2 equaled 4. We accepted that as true without asking
questions. Is that healthy? absolutely not. We should ask questions.
And when we do seek to find out our own mathematical truths we
realize that the teachers were right when they taught us 2+2=4.
No, we're taught how to prove it as children when we count on our
fingers.
Really? Prove it then. Prove that four is the right
number.
I think you are a troll.
That is your proof?
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"When we descend to details we can prove that no one
species has changed (i.e., we cannot prove that a
single species has changed): nor can we prove that
the supposed changes are beneficial, which is the
groundwork of the theory. Nor can we explain why
some species have changed and others have not.
The latter case seems to me hardly more difficult
to understand precisely and in detail than the former
case of supposed change" - Darwin, 1863.
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| User: "Michael" |
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| Title: Re: Does God Tempt? Did he tempt the woman in Texas who recently killed her children after reading the Bible? |
07 Apr 2004 03:14:19 PM |
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That is your proof?
You just proved it! ;)
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Does God Tempt? Did he tempt the woman in Texas who recently killed her children after reading the Bible? |
04 Apr 2004 01:18:22 PM |
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On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 00:57:20 +0200, "Michael"
<please_do_not_reply@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
I want YOU to back up YOUR claim, in YOUR OWN words,
right HERE.
Are you up for the challenge?
Yes, but I don't see the challenge.
You don't WANT to see the challenge.
In Genesis we read how God tempted
Abraham and in James we read how God can't tempt anyone. In logic sense:
Let A = God tempted
Let B = God can't tempt
It's obvious A & B are completely opposite, and therefore at least one must
be false, which leads to C below:
Let C = Either Genesis or James is false
Let D = The Bible is the inerrent word of God and is the perfect truth
It's obvious that C & D are completely opposite, therefore at least one must
be false. We also know that C is true, which means D is false. Therefore:
The Bible is NOT the inerrent word of God and is NOT the perfect truth.
There are tons of contradictions in the Bible, this is just another one.
There is no logic in the Bible, because it is a collection of made-up
stories accumulated over hundreds of years by ancient men. I just wish
Christians would think for themselves for once instead of repeating what
they were brainwashed into believing.
Once again, you have made a claim without backing it
up. Post the exact Scriptures in question.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
http://www.trueorigin.org/abio.asp
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| User: "Michael" |
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04 Apr 2004 05:15:09 PM |
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Once again, you have made a claim without backing it
up. Post the exact Scriptures in question.
The scriptures were posted in the original post, did you miss them? I even
put in links to the entire chapter so people would not claim they were taken
out of context. Troll.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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06 Apr 2004 11:25:37 AM |
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On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 00:15:09 +0200, "Michael"
<please_do_not_reply@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Once again, you have made a claim without backing it
up. Post the exact Scriptures in question.
The scriptures were posted in the original post, did you miss them?
Obviously, I did.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology
and biology is thus in the peculiar position of
being a science founded on an unproved theory.
Is it then science, or faith? Belief in the
theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to
belief in special creation. Both are concepts
which believers know to be true, but neither,
up to the present, has been capable of proof.
- L. Harrison Matthews, FRS, Introduction to
the 1971 edition of Charles Darwin's Origin
of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or
the Preservation of Favored Races in the
Struggle for Life
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