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08 May 2005 09:03:35 AM |
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Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ? |
Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ?
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ? |
08 May 2005 11:46:06 PM |
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"Tina" <TDM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ?
The Tanakh yes, the NT no. Remember Jesus going against the commandments
of YHWH by saving the life of a convicted adultress, and never advocated the
death of anyone. In contrast see Judaism below.
Pastor Frank
THE COMMANDMENTS YHWH GAVE MOSES ON MT. SINAI.
"For the law was given by Moses..." (John 1:17) and:
"...according to the law of Moses..." (Luke 2:22
Leviticus 20:9-27 If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to
death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on his
own head.
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife-with the wife
of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
If a man sleeps with his father's wife, he has dishonored his
father. Both the man and the woman must be put to death; their blood
will be on their own heads.
If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be
put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be
on their own heads.
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them
have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood
will be on their own heads.
If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both
he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be
among you.
If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to
death, and you must kill the animal.
If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it,
kill both the woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their
blood will be on their own heads.
If a man marries his sister, the daughter of either his father or
his mother, and they have sexual relations, it is a disgrace. They must be
cut off before the eyes of their people. He has dishonored his sister and
will be held responsible.
If a man lies with a woman during her monthly period and has
sexual relations with her, he has exposed the source of her flow, and
she has also uncovered it. Both of them must be cut off from their people.
Do not have sexual relations with the sister of either your
mother or your father, for that would dishonor a close relative; both of
you would be held responsible.
If a man sleeps with his aunt, he has dishonored his uncle. They
will be held responsible; they will die childless.
If a man marries his brother's wife, it is an act of impurity; he
has dishonored his brother. They will be childless.
Keep all my decrees and laws and follow them, so that the land
where I am bringing you to live may not vomit you out.
You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going
to drive out before you. Because they did all these things, I abhorred them.
But I said to you, "You will possess their land; I will give it to
you as an inheritance, a land flowing with milk and honey." I am the LORD
your God, who has set you apart from the nations.
You must therefore make a distinction between clean and unclean
animals and between unclean and clean birds. Do not defile yourselves by
any animal or bird or anything that moves along the ground-those which I
have set apart as unclean for you.
You are to be holy to me [3] because I, the LORD , am holy, and I
have set you apart from the nations to be my own.
A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be
put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own
heads.
Lev 21: 9 If a priest's daughter defiles herself by becoming a
prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "When men strive together one with another, and
the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand
of him that smiteth him and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the
secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her"
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| User: "Terrell D Lewis" |
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| Title: Re: Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ? |
08 May 2005 09:49:02 AM |
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"Tina" <TDM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ?
In general, or the way the US Justice System does it?
In general, yes. For certain crimes, yes the Bible prescribes the death
penalty ... however, there had to be (1) two eyewitnesses to the crime and,
(2) if the eyewitnesses lied, they too would receive the maximum penalty the
person being tried would receive.
Terrell
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ? |
08 May 2005 11:52:50 PM |
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"Terrell D Lewis" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Tina" <TDM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:117s71nnrum1284@corp.supernews.com...
Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ?
In general, or the way the US Justice System does it?
In general, yes. For certain crimes, yes the Bible prescribes the death
penalty ... however, there had to be (1) two eyewitnesses to the crime
and, (2) if the eyewitnesses lied, they too would receive the maximum
penalty the person being tried would receive.
Terrell
Tell us where Jesus advocated the killing of anyone. However if you are
not a Christian, and follow the Tanakh of Judaism, then the laws of YHWH
prescribe the death penalty for a great many reasons. See below
Pastor Frank
THE COMMANDMENTS YHWH GAVE MOSES ON MT. SINAI.
"For the law was given by Moses..." (John 1:17) and:
"...according to the law of Moses..." (Luke 2:22
Leviticus 20:9-27 If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to
death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on his
own head.
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife-with the wife
of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
If a man sleeps with his father's wife, he has dishonored his
father. Both the man and the woman must be put to death; their blood
will be on their own heads.
If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be
put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be
on their own heads.
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them
have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood
will be on their own heads.
If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both
he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be
among you.
If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to
death, and you must kill the animal.
If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it,
kill both the woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their
blood will be on their own heads.
If a man marries his sister, the daughter of either his father or
his mother, and they have sexual relations, it is a disgrace. They must be
cut off before the eyes of their people. He has dishonored his sister and
will be held responsible.
If a man lies with a woman during her monthly period and has
sexual relations with her, he has exposed the source of her flow, and
she has also uncovered it. Both of them must be cut off from their people.
Do not have sexual relations with the sister of either your
mother or your father, for that would dishonor a close relative; both of
you would be held responsible.
If a man sleeps with his aunt, he has dishonored his uncle. They
will be held responsible; they will die childless.
If a man marries his brother's wife, it is an act of impurity; he
has dishonored his brother. They will be childless.
Keep all my decrees and laws and follow them, so that the land
where I am bringing you to live may not vomit you out.
You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going
to drive out before you. Because they did all these things, I abhorred them.
But I said to you, "You will possess their land; I will give it to
you as an inheritance, a land flowing with milk and honey." I am the LORD
your God, who has set you apart from the nations.
You must therefore make a distinction between clean and unclean
animals and between unclean and clean birds. Do not defile yourselves by
any animal or bird or anything that moves along the ground-those which I
have set apart as unclean for you.
You are to be holy to me [3] because I, the LORD , am holy, and I
have set you apart from the nations to be my own.
A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be
put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own
heads.
Lev 21: 9 If a priest's daughter defiles herself by becoming a
prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "When men strive together one with another, and
the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand
of him that smiteth him and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the
secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her"
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| User: "icono" |
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| Title: Re: Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ? |
09 May 2005 09:17:35 PM |
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"Tina" <TDM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ?
It presents it in no uncertain terms.
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| User: "" |
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08 May 2005 04:13:54 PM |
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If killing is done in an act of loving God or loving neighbour, then it is.
Therefore, it is not.
"Tina" <TDM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ?
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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09 May 2005 12:01:34 AM |
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"Tina" <TDM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:117s71nnrum1284@corp.supernews.com...
Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ?
If killing is done in an act of loving God or loving neighbour, then it
is. Therefore, it is not.
That all depends on, whether you are a Judaist and believe in the OT
laws of YHWH below, or a Christian and believe in what Jesus said.
Pastor Frank
THE COMMANDMENTS YHWH GAVE MOSES ON MT. SINAI.
"For the law was given by Moses..." (John 1:17) and:
"...according to the law of Moses..." (Luke 2:22
Leviticus 20:9-27 If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to
death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on his
own head.
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife-with the wife
of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
If a man sleeps with his father's wife, he has dishonored his
father. Both the man and the woman must be put to death; their blood
will be on their own heads.
If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be
put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be
on their own heads.
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them
have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood
will be on their own heads.
If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both
he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be
among you.
If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to
death, and you must kill the animal.
If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it,
kill both the woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their
blood will be on their own heads.
If a man marries his sister, the daughter of either his father or
his mother, and they have sexual relations, it is a disgrace. They must be
cut off before the eyes of their people. He has dishonored his sister and
will be held responsible.
If a man lies with a woman during her monthly period and has
sexual relations with her, he has exposed the source of her flow, and
she has also uncovered it. Both of them must be cut off from their people.
Do not have sexual relations with the sister of either your
mother or your father, for that would dishonor a close relative; both of
you would be held responsible.
If a man sleeps with his aunt, he has dishonored his uncle. They
will be held responsible; they will die childless.
If a man marries his brother's wife, it is an act of impurity; he
has dishonored his brother. They will be childless.
Keep all my decrees and laws and follow them, so that the land
where I am bringing you to live may not vomit you out.
You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going
to drive out before you. Because they did all these things, I abhorred them.
But I said to you, "You will possess their land; I will give it to
you as an inheritance, a land flowing with milk and honey." I am the LORD
your God, who has set you apart from the nations.
You must therefore make a distinction between clean and unclean
animals and between unclean and clean birds. Do not defile yourselves by
any animal or bird or anything that moves along the ground-those which I
have set apart as unclean for you.
You are to be holy to me [3] because I, the LORD , am holy, and I
have set you apart from the nations to be my own.
A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be
put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own
heads.
Lev 21: 9 If a priest's daughter defiles herself by becoming a
prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "When men strive together one with another, and
the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand
of him that smiteth him and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the
secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her"
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| User: "" |
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09 May 2005 07:59:37 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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<real@believer.com> wrote in message
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"Tina" <TDM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:117s71nnrum1284@corp.supernews.com...
Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ?
If killing is done in an act of loving God or loving neighbour, then it
is. Therefore, it is not.
That all depends on, whether you are a Judaist and believe in the OT
laws of YHWH below, or a Christian and believe in what Jesus said.
Pastor Frank
THE COMMANDMENTS YHWH GAVE MOSES ON MT. SINAI.
"For the law was given by Moses..." (John 1:17) and:
"...according to the law of Moses..." (Luke 2:22
Leviticus 20:9-27 If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to
death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on
his
own head.
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife-with the wife
of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to
death.
If a man sleeps with his father's wife, he has dishonored his
father. Both the man and the woman must be put to death; their blood
will be on their own heads.
If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be
put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be
on their own heads.
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them
have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood
will be on their own heads.
If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both
he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be
among you.
If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to
death, and you must kill the animal.
If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it,
kill both the woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their
blood will be on their own heads.
If a man marries his sister, the daughter of either his father or
his mother, and they have sexual relations, it is a disgrace. They must be
cut off before the eyes of their people. He has dishonored his sister and
will be held responsible.
If a man lies with a woman during her monthly period and has
sexual relations with her, he has exposed the source of her flow, and
she has also uncovered it. Both of them must be cut off from their people.
Do not have sexual relations with the sister of either your
mother or your father, for that would dishonor a close relative; both of
you would be held responsible.
If a man sleeps with his aunt, he has dishonored his uncle. They
will be held responsible; they will die childless.
If a man marries his brother's wife, it is an act of impurity; he
has dishonored his brother. They will be childless.
Keep all my decrees and laws and follow them, so that the land
where I am bringing you to live may not vomit you out.
You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going
to drive out before you. Because they did all these things, I abhorred
them.
But I said to you, "You will possess their land; I will give it to
you as an inheritance, a land flowing with milk and honey." I am the LORD
your God, who has set you apart from the nations.
You must therefore make a distinction between clean and unclean
animals and between unclean and clean birds. Do not defile yourselves by
any animal or bird or anything that moves along the ground-those which I
have set apart as unclean for you.
You are to be holy to me [3] because I, the LORD , am holy, and I
have set you apart from the nations to be my own.
A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be
put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own
heads.
Lev 21: 9 If a priest's daughter defiles herself by becoming a
prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "When men strive together one with another, and
the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the
hand
of him that smiteth him and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the
secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her"
Feel free to live in the Old Testament if you like.
Feel free to use Windows 3.1 on your computer if you like.
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| User: "Boxer" |
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08 May 2005 08:11:10 PM |
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In article <117s71nnrum1284@corp.supernews.com>, Tina <TDM@hotmail.com> wrote:
Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ?
Pontius Pilate and Saul of Tarsus in his persecuting days seemed very
happy with it
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| User: "Stormin Mormon" |
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10 May 2005 07:35:21 AM |
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My Bible is neatly zipped into my scripture case. It hasn't given me an
opinion yet. I think it likes warm temps and low humidity. Also it doesn't
like small children with sticky fingers.
Perhaps my Bible would approve of the death penalty for small children with
sticky fingers?
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com
"Tina" <TDM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| User: "John Ings" |
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08 May 2005 10:26:17 AM |
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On Sun, 08 May 2005 14:03:35 -0000, Tina <TDM@hotmail.com> wrote:
Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ?
Sure! Even for minor crimes:
Numbers 15:32-36 "And while the children of Israel were in the
wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath
day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses
and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. And they put him in ward,
because it was not declared what should be done to him. And the LORD
said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the
congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the
congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones,
and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses."
## Religion has not civilized man. Man has civilized religion.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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08 May 2005 11:57:32 PM |
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"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 May 2005 14:03:35 -0000, Tina <TDM@hotmail.com> wrote:
Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ?
Sure! Even for minor crimes:
Numbers 15:32-36 "And while the children of Israel were in the
wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath
day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses
and Aaron, and unto all the congregation. And they put him in ward,
because it was not declared what should be done to him. And the LORD
said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the
congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the
congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones,
and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses."
## Religion has not civilized man. Man has civilized religion.
Why are you posting anti-Semitic crap in our pristine Christian NGs?
Show where Jesus advocated the killing of anyone.
Pastor Frank
THE COMMANDMENTS YHWH GAVE MOSES ON MT. SINAI.
"For the law was given by Moses..." (John 1:17) and:
"...according to the law of Moses..." (Luke 2:22
Leviticus 20:9-27 If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to
death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on his
own head.
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife-with the wife
of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
If a man sleeps with his father's wife, he has dishonored his
father. Both the man and the woman must be put to death; their blood
will be on their own heads.
If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be
put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be
on their own heads.
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them
have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood
will be on their own heads.
If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both
he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be
among you.
If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to
death, and you must kill the animal.
If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it,
kill both the woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their
blood will be on their own heads.
If a man marries his sister, the daughter of either his father or
his mother, and they have sexual relations, it is a disgrace. They must be
cut off before the eyes of their people. He has dishonored his sister and
will be held responsible.
If a man lies with a woman during her monthly period and has
sexual relations with her, he has exposed the source of her flow, and
she has also uncovered it. Both of them must be cut off from their people.
Do not have sexual relations with the sister of either your
mother or your father, for that would dishonor a close relative; both of
you would be held responsible.
If a man sleeps with his aunt, he has dishonored his uncle. They
will be held responsible; they will die childless.
If a man marries his brother's wife, it is an act of impurity; he
has dishonored his brother. They will be childless.
Keep all my decrees and laws and follow them, so that the land
where I am bringing you to live may not vomit you out.
You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going
to drive out before you. Because they did all these things, I abhorred them.
But I said to you, "You will possess their land; I will give it to
you as an inheritance, a land flowing with milk and honey." I am the LORD
your God, who has set you apart from the nations.
You must therefore make a distinction between clean and unclean
animals and between unclean and clean birds. Do not defile yourselves by
any animal or bird or anything that moves along the ground-those which I
have set apart as unclean for you.
You are to be holy to me [3] because I, the LORD , am holy, and I
have set you apart from the nations to be my own.
A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be
put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own
heads.
Lev 21: 9 If a priest's daughter defiles herself by becoming a
prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "When men strive together one with another, and
the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand
of him that smiteth him and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the
secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her"
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| User: "John Ings" |
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09 May 2005 06:29:04 AM |
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On Mon, 9 May 2005 00:57:32 -0400, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
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Why are you posting anti-Semitic crap in our pristine Christian NGs?
Why not? You post your neo-marcionite crap there. And no newsgroup
with a liar like you in it is pristine 'Pastor'.
Show where Jesus advocated the killing of anyone.
The man asked "Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ?"
Most Christians believe in the whole Bible. It's just neo-marcionites
who dismiss as irrelevant whole sections of the Old Testament that
conflict with their heresy.
## Religions are kept alive by heresies.
## Dead religions don't produce them.
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09 May 2005 07:57:52 AM |
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"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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On Mon, 9 May 2005 00:57:32 -0400, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
wrote:
Why are you posting anti-Semitic crap in our pristine Christian NGs?
Why not? You post your neo-marcionite crap there. And no newsgroup
with a liar like you in it is pristine 'Pastor'.
Show where Jesus advocated the killing of anyone.
The man asked "Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ?"
Most Christians believe in the whole Bible. It's just neo-marcionites
who dismiss as irrelevant whole sections of the Old Testament that
conflict with their heresy.
The Law is done. Jesus put it to death.
## Religions are kept alive by heresies.
## Dead religions don't produce them.
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| User: "John Ings" |
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09 May 2005 08:17:50 AM |
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On Mon, 9 May 2005 08:57:52 -0400, <real@believer.com> wrote:
The man asked "Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ?"
Most Christians believe in the whole Bible. It's just neo-marcionites
who dismiss as irrelevant whole sections of the Old Testament that
conflict with their heresy.
The Law is done. Jesus put it to death.
Matthew 5:17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the
prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I
tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one
stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished."
Have the heaven and earth passed away Real?
19"Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments,
and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom
of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great
in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness
exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the
kingdom of heaven."
So you better not collect firewood on the Sabbath Real...
## It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand
## that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand."
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| Title: Re: Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ? |
09 May 2005 07:00:54 PM |
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"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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On Mon, 9 May 2005 08:57:52 -0400, <real@believer.com> wrote:
The man asked "Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ?"
Most Christians believe in the whole Bible. It's just neo-marcionites
who dismiss as irrelevant whole sections of the Old Testament that
conflict with their heresy.
The Law is done. Jesus put it to death.
Matthew 5:17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the
prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I
tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one
stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished."
So you approve of killing people?
Have the heaven and earth passed away Real?
19"Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments,
and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom
of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great
in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness
exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the
kingdom of heaven."
So you better not collect firewood on the Sabbath Real...
## It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand
## that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand."
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| User: "John Ings" |
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| Title: Re: Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ? |
09 May 2005 07:17:17 PM |
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On Mon, 9 May 2005 20:00:54 -0400, <real@believer.com> wrote:
The Law is done. Jesus put it to death.
Matthew 5:17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the
prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I
tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one
stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished."
So you approve of killing people?
I didn't say I approve of the Law or Jesus. I think the latter is an
evil fiction of the former.
## Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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09 May 2005 11:11:45 PM |
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"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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I didn't say I approve of the Law or Jesus. I think the latter is an
evil fiction of the former.
Typical atheist insanity to denounce the commandments of Christ below.
"Evil fiction" indeed!!!!!! Please post your atheist calumnies to atheist
NGs, willya?
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples,
if ye have love one to another.
Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one another,
as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down
his life for his friends.
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| User: "John Ings" |
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10 May 2005 06:52:17 AM |
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On Tue, 10 May 2005 00:11:45 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
I didn't say I approve of the Law or Jesus. I think the latter is an
evil fiction of the former.
Typical atheist insanity to denounce the commandments of Christ below.
"Evil fiction" indeed!!!!!! Please post your atheist calumnies to atheist
NGs, willya?
No.
You post your theistic calumnies here, attacking my beliefs.
I reserve the right to riposte.
## Futue te ipsum et caballum tuum
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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11 May 2005 08:03:32 AM |
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"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 May 2005 00:11:45 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
I didn't say I approve of the Law or Jesus. I think the latter is an
evil fiction of the former.
Typical atheist insanity to denounce the commandments of Christ below.
"Evil fiction" indeed!!!!!! Please post your atheist calumnies to atheist
NGs, willya?
No.
You post your theistic calumnies here, attacking my beliefs.
I reserve the right to riposte.
No one here attacks your beliefs, for you keep forgetting, that you are
a self-confessed atheist, who hasn't any theological beliefs. Only we, the
believers in Christ, our God incarnate, post our beliefs in our own hallowed
and pristine Christian NGs, for the benefit of all who want to share in
those beliefs. All our groups carry the name of our most holy and glorious
Saviour Jesus Christ and are therefore easily identifiable to those who have
no beliefs.
You, on the other hand, are a self-confessed atheist who only has
disbeliefs. And you keep miss-posting your disbeliefs here instead of in
atheist NGs, where they belong. There is no one here who wants to share your
disbeliefs, so please take the hint and make up your mind already to either
join us believers here, or join the disbelievers in their groups. One would
think, that after all these years you have spent trolling here you should
have come to some decision by now. Or does the below Biblical verse describe
your condition?
Pastor Frank
2Tm:3:7: Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the
truth.
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| User: "John Ings" |
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11 May 2005 03:28:02 PM |
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On Wed, 11 May 2005 09:03:32 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
I didn't say I approve of the Law or Jesus. I think the latter is an
evil fiction of the former.
Typical atheist insanity to denounce the commandments of Christ below.
"Evil fiction" indeed!!!!!! Please post your atheist calumnies to atheist
NGs, willya?
No.
You post your theistic calumnies here, attacking my beliefs.
I reserve the right to riposte.
No one here attacks your beliefs,
Yes they do "Pastor". You personally too, on numerous occasions.
for you keep forgetting, that you are
a self-confessed atheist, who hasn't any theological beliefs.
But I have other beliefs, and those you attack with lies and
propaganda.
Only we, the
believers in Christ, our God incarnate, post our beliefs in our own hallowed
and pristine Christian NGs,
Then why do you crosspost mine there "Pastor"?
Twice in the past few months you have crossposted threads of mine from
alt.religion.apologetics into half a dozen Christian newsgroups.
Clean your finger before you point at my spots.
for the benefit of all who want to share in
those beliefs. All our groups carry the name of our most holy and glorious
Saviour Jesus Christ and are therefore easily identifiable to those who have
no beliefs.
But apparently aren't identifiable to you, because you are among the
ones who posted my comments there.
You, on the other hand, are a self-confessed atheist who only has
disbeliefs.
That's a lie "Pastor", just another added to many you have posted in
usenet.
And you keep miss-posting your disbeliefs here instead of in
atheist NGs, where they belong.
The solution is quite simple "Pastor". Spin your lies in your
Christian newsgroups and stay out of the ones I frequent.
If you don't put alt.bible, alt.religion, alt.religion.apologetics
or alt.talk.creationism in the header, I won't see them and won't call
you on your dissimulations.
There is no one here who wants to share your
disbeliefs,
But there are a few who need to be warned about yours.
## You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of your
## hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear
Mark Twain
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| User: "Griz" |
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10 May 2005 05:35:47 PM |
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John Ings said:
Typical atheist insanity to denounce the commandments of Christ below.
"Evil fiction" indeed!!!!!! Please post your atheist calumnies to atheist
NGs, willya?
No.
You post your theistic calumnies here, attacking my beliefs.
I reserve the right to riposte.
An adult who doesn't like dogs doesn't go to dog NG's to fellowship. One
who thinks watching birds is a waste of time doesn't spend their time in
birdwatching NG's.
And what are we to think of such a person if they start moaning that their
beliefs or rights to NOT watch birds are under attack because they choose to
come to a group where that is the theme??
Atheism causes blindness of many types.
If your beliefs are such awesome ones, why not take them to a group where
you can share them with those of similar beliefs -- rather than to groups
where you are in opposition and can moan about your rights to riposte
because you willingly place yourself in opposition to the theme of the
groups?
That's sort of like the pedestrian who willingly places themselves in front
of a speeding car as an exercise of their rights.
Yours in Christ,
Griz
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| User: "John Ings" |
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11 May 2005 07:04:48 AM |
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On Tue, 10 May 2005 18:35:47 -0400, "Griz" <griz@nosklem.cois.on.ca>
wrote:
Typical atheist insanity to denounce the commandments of Christ below.
"Evil fiction" indeed!!!!!! Please post your atheist calumnies to atheist
NGs, willya?
No.
You post your theistic calumnies here, attacking my beliefs.
I reserve the right to riposte.
An adult who doesn't like dogs doesn't go to dog NG's to fellowship.
I'm not fellowshipping, I'm defending my beliefs from the lies of
those who are attacking them. And alt.bible is not reserved for those
who believe in the Bible, only for those interested in it.
And what are we to think of such a person if they start moaning that their
beliefs or rights to NOT watch birds are under attack because they choose to
come to a group where that is the theme??
I am not defending atheism.
Atheism causes blindness of many types.
No, that won't fly. A blind man can go to a store with a friend to buy
a tie, and ask his sighted friend if it is striped or plain, red or
blue. He can ask the store clerk or another customer and get the same
answer.
But when I who am spiritually blind ask the supposedly spiritually
sighted what they see, I don't get consistent answers. I get
conflicting, contradictory answers, and I observe that you hate and
make war on one-another.
So I don't believe you are seeing anything at all with your 'spiritual
sight'. I think you are just deluding yourselves
If your beliefs are such awesome ones, why not take them to a group where
you can share them with those of similar beliefs --
And leave you free to tell lies about them unrebutted in here?
To proslytize with fraud and deceit?
rather than to groups
where you are in opposition and can moan about your rights to riposte
because you willingly place yourself in opposition to the theme of the
groups?
If your theme involved only your belief in God, I might, but it does
not. You lie about secularism and you lie egregiously about science.
You seek to force your religion on kids in the schools as 'science'.
You tell people that my lack of belief is evil and the cause of every
malady that afflicts society while your wonderful faith is the cure.
Even a hasty perusal of history shows just the opposite.
That's sort of like the pedestrian who willingly places themselves in front
of a speeding car as an exercise of their rights.
You aren't even a speeding tricycle!
Now I frequent alt.bible, alt.religion, alt.religion.apologetics
and alt.talk.creationism which are appropriate groups for what I am
doing. If you want to spin your web of deceit unriposted, don't leave
your droppings where I can find them. I don't crosspost, though others
may crosspost the thread. I can't help that.
## The Bible has suffered more at the hands
## of its friends than its enemies.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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09 May 2005 11:44:57 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
news:p6vv71dhgonr09b9fifh9fa4ou5b1khrnm@4ax.com...
I didn't say I approve of the Law or Jesus. I think the latter is an
evil fiction of the former.
Typical atheist insanity to denounce the commandments of Christ below.
"Evil fiction" indeed!!!!!! Please post your atheist calumnies to atheist
NGs, willya?
Pastor Frank
===>Luke 14:26
"If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother
and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life,
he cannot be My disciple." -- L.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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10 May 2005 06:42:47 AM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:42803C49.EC7C6832@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
news:p6vv71dhgonr09b9fifh9fa4ou5b1khrnm@4ax.com...
I didn't say I approve of the Law or Jesus. I think the latter is an
evil fiction of the former.
Typical atheist insanity to denounce the commandments of Christ
below.
"Evil fiction" indeed!!!!!! Please post your atheist calumnies to atheist
NGs, willya?
===>Luke 14:26
"If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother
and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own
life,
he cannot be My disciple." -- L.
Those are not the commandments of Jesus you atheist oaf!!! You erased
the commandments of Jesus I posted. Here they are again.
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples,
if ye have love one to another.
Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one another,
as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down
his life for his friends.
Jesus in John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command...
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| User: "xeno" |
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11 May 2005 09:22:19 AM |
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On Tue, 10 May 2005, Pastor Frank pontificated:
===>Luke 14:26
"If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother
and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own
life,
he cannot be My disciple." -- L.
Those are not the commandments of Jesus you atheist oaf!!! You erased
the commandments of Jesus I posted.
The above is a commandment of Jesus as well. Deal with the contradictions
of Jesus or just STFU.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ? |
09 May 2005 04:34:57 PM |
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"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
news:qunu711ejk374asimsdevf1bt7rqoalmng@4ax.com...
On Mon, 9 May 2005 08:57:52 -0400, <real@believer.com> wrote:
The man asked "Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ?"
Most Christians believe in the whole Bible. It's just neo-marcionites
who dismiss as irrelevant whole sections of the Old Testament that
conflict with their heresy.
The Law is done. Jesus put it to death.
Matthew 5:17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the
prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I
tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one
stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished."
Have the heaven and earth passed away Real?
19"Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments,
and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom
of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great
in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness
exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the
kingdom of heaven."
So you better not collect firewood on the Sabbath Real...
## It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand
## that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand."
Christ fulfilled the law once and for all. We now live under the new
covenant. See below
Pastor Frank
The most important, yet most ignored commandments of Christ, which would
make war, if not ALL of man's inhumanity to man extinct, nay totally
unthinkable:
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
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| User: "John Ings" |
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09 May 2005 07:14:26 PM |
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On Mon, 9 May 2005 17:34:57 -0400, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
wrote:
Christ fulfilled the law once and for all.
Fulfill does not mean abrogate and annul.
The Greek word used is pleroo
From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net),
level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse,
influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task),
verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.:—accomplish, X after,
(be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come),
fully preach, perfect, supply.
"I have come not to abolish"
In this usage the most applicable meaning is "fully preach" or
"perfect"
## A theist choosing scripture to quote is like someone picking
## flowers in a minefield.
## "Here's a nice one! Ooops! Don't step there!"
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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10 May 2005 06:23:12 AM |
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of course it does, just look at all the murders there are in the bible.
the loving, caring god even asks people to kill their own son.
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| User: "CB" |
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09 May 2005 12:07:03 AM |
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On Sun, 08 May 2005 14:03:35 -0000, Tina <TDM@hotmail.com> wrote:
Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ?
yes
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance."
Author Unknown
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ? |
09 May 2005 08:00:03 AM |
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"CB" <country2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 May 2005 14:03:35 -0000, Tina <TDM@hotmail.com> wrote:
Does the Bible approve of the death penalty ?
yes
no
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as
well dance."
Author Unknown
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