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"Pastor Dave" |
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24 May 2007 07:23:23 AM |
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Early Preterist Statements - Part 2 |
Early Preterist statements
The Early Church and the End of the World.
Administration
Question: Did the first century Church believe
in a second coming?
Answer: Yes. But not a thousand years from
that generation to fulfill the rest of
God's promises.
If Jesus failed to fulfill all His predictions the first time
in (the same generation) he could not be the Messiah.
Notice how various well known Jewish writers express
this.
The Jew refused to accept the excuse that the major
prophecies concerning the Messiah will only be fulfilled
in a "second coming". He expects the Messiah to
complete his mission in his first attempt. [The Real
Messiah Reprinted from Jewish Youth, June 1973
page 15.]
The Jewish rabbis have taunted Christians throughout
church history saying Jesus can't be their Messiah,
since the Messiah would accomplish redemption,
and judgement, in one generation with no gaps,
delays, parentheses of postponements. The full
establishment of the Kingdom could not be delayed.
(The Real Messiah. Reprinted from Jewish Youth,
June 1973. page 15).
Since Jesus did not fulfill the most important Messianic
prophecies, they expected him to return to complete
this task in a "second coming". At first, Christians
expected that this second coming would come very
shortly...in their lifetime. When their prayer was not
an answered they began to hope that it would come
a thousand years after Jesus' death. This was the
millennium or thousand years kingdom. Finally after a
thousand years passed and Jesus still had not returned,
they postponed his second coming to an indefinite time.
We therefore see that the Christians were forced to radically
alter the Jewish concept of the Messiah in order to explain
Jesus' failure. This compounded with the pagan influence
in the early church, gave birth to a Messianic concept totally
alien to Judaism. [Pinchas Stolper, ed. pages 32, 33]
You will discover that whenever any really strong question
such as why Jesus hasn't fulfilled all Messianic prophecies
is asked of the Christians , the standard answer is that it
refers to the second coming. It therefore becomes
extremely important to ascertain the validity of this claim.
The success of the Christian claim or its failure (rests to
a very large extent on the theory of the second coming).
It is clearly an answer born of desperation. [Samuel Levin.
You Take Jesus, I will Take God. Los Angeles 1980. Page 15]
Reader, these Jews never had the concept of a second coming
to fulfill the rest of the things he was unable to fulfill the
first time in the Old Testament. (see Isa. 35:4-6, 40:10-11,
61:1-2, 62:11, 63:1-6, 66:6-16; Zech. 14; and Mal.4:1-6)
The language used closely connects the coming of the Lord
with both salvation and vengeance (judgment). Nowhere
does the OT teach a "second coming".
In fact the only place in the NT which even comes close to
teaching a (second advent) is Heb. 9:28 where it says Christ
will appear a second time. This was using the symbolism
of the High Priest at Yom Kippur when he took the blood
into the holy place and then reappeared back outside the
Temple to announce that atonement had been accomplished .
This is the fulfillment of the type and shadows in Leviticus
9:1-24 where it say: Then Aaron lifted his hand toward the
people blessed them, and came down from offering the sin
offering, the burnt offering, and peace offerings. And Moses
and Aaron went into the tabernacle of meeting, and came
out and blessed the people. Then the glory of the Lord
appeared to all the people.
Notice here that Israel's sins were not forgiven until Aaron
the High Priest came out of the tabernacle to bless the people
verses 22,23. Every Jewish Christian understood this simple
concept. Hebrews 9:24 says, "For Christ has not entered the
holy place made with hands, which are copies of the true,
but into heaven itself now to appear in the presence of God
for us.". This is a picture of our High Priest Christ Jesus
going into the tabernacle to offer up the sins of the people.
And as the High Priest Aaron had to come (out of the
tabernacle) and appear to the people blessing them,
by letting them know that their sins had been forgiven
of another year. So did Christ have to return out of the
tabernacle a second time apart from sin, for salvation.
(Hebrews 9:27-28)
Notice what this early Church Father has to says on
the subject of the turning point of eschatology.
The thought of a postponement of the Parousia appears
all through 2 Clement but here it is expressly mentioned
for the first time. Thus about the middle of the second
century a decisive turning point occurs one which can be
compared in significance to all other great turning points,
including the Reformation. Obviously we cannot fix this
turning point precisely at the year 150 for it took a while
until the thought caught hold every where.
(But a development does begin with the Shepherd of Hermas
which could not be stopped at a development at the end
of which we stand today). As soon as the thought of a
postponement of the Parousia was uttered once and indeed
not only incidentally but thoroughly presented in an entire
writing it developed its own life and power.
At first people looked at it as only a brief postponement,
as the Shepherd of Hermas clearly expressed. But soon
as the end of the world did not occur it was conceived of
as a longer and longer period until finally this is today's
situation nothing but the thought of a postponement exists
in people's consciousness. [Kurt Aland. A History of
Christianity. (2 vols) Vol 1 page 87-102].
This is were the mistake was first made and it has affected
Christianity ever since. His statement is just one of many
which goes back in Christian history. Unfortunately this
misunderstanding accursed before the Church really
developed, and were incorporated into their teachings.
When the remaining fulfillments associated with Christ's
Parousia did not occur in the physical literal way they had
expected they assumed that Christ had not returned at all.
So they began adjusting their concept of the TIME of
fulfillment instead of considering the possibility that their
concepts of the NATURE of fulfillment were the only things
needing adjustment.
The Jews never had the concept of a second coming, over
a thousand years and since it was the Jews who first taught
the notion of a Messiah via the Jewish prophets it seems
quite reasonable to respect their inspired witting more then
our traditions or anyone else's uninspired opinion today.
We must immerse ourselves in the culture, history, religion
and Jewish language of the Jews of Jesus' day if we hope
to go any further and deeper in our understanding of
the Bible.
Christianity is not some totally new religion. It is the
fulfillment of the promises made to the Jews on behalf
of the Gentiles as well (Romans 15:8-9). Salvation is
of the Jews. It was directed to the Jews first and would
be fulfilled in that very generation (Matthew 24:34).
--
Pastor Dave
People are so afraid to reject doctrine, that they just
don't give a damn what the Bible actually says! Sad!
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: Early Preterist Statements - Part 2 |
24 May 2007 09:47:12 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <.....SNAFU....@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:ulva53tjftk26t00gub53j8vc0fctk19sr@4ax.com...
Early Preterist statements
Genesis 3:1
"Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"
Genesis 3:4
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Matthew 4:3
If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
His,
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| User: " ::: vera :::" |
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| Title: Re: Early Preterist Statements - Part 2 |
25 May 2007 05:03:07 PM |
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In news:ulva53tjftk26t00gub53j8vc0fctk19sr@4ax.com,
Pastor Dave <noway@nowhere.com> typed:
Early Preterist statements
.... were lies as well!
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