Religions > Bible > Election to Salvation is not based on foreseen faith but based on God's Good Pleasure Eph. 1
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30 Aug 2006 04:30:19 PM |
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Election to Salvation is not based on foreseen faith but based on God's Good Pleasure Eph. 1 |
This same election took place, not on the basis of foreseen faith, of
the obedience of faith, of holiness, or of any other good quality and
disposition, as though it were based on a prerequisite cause or
condition in the person to be chosen, but rather for the purpose of
faith, of the obedience of faith, of holiness, and so on. Accordingly,
election is the source of each of the benefits of salvation.
Faith, holiness, and the other saving gifts, and at last eternal life
itself, flow forth from election as its fruits and effects. As the
apostle says, He chose us (not because we were, but) so that we should
be holy and blameless before him in love (Eph. 1:4).
But the cause of this undeserved election is exclusively the good
pleasure of God. This does not involve his choosing certain human
qualities or actions from among all those possible as a condition of
salvation, but rather involves his adopting certain particular persons
from among the common mass of sinners as his own possession.
As Scripture says, When the children were not yet born, and had done
nothing either good or bad..., she (Rebecca) was told, "The older will
serve the younger." As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I
hated" (Rom. 9:11-13). Also, All who were appointed for eternal life
believed (Acts 13:48).
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: Election to Salvation is not based on foreseen faith but based on God's Good Pleasure Eph. 1 |
30 Aug 2006 10:32:59 PM |
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"joe" <Bcfnp@bocki.com> wrote in message
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This same election took place, not on the basis of foreseen faith, of
the obedience of faith, of holiness, or of any other good quality and
disposition, as though it were based on a prerequisite cause or
condition in the person to be chosen, but rather for the purpose of
faith, of the obedience of faith, of holiness, and so on. Accordingly,
election is the source of each of the benefits of salvation.
Faith, holiness, and the other saving gifts, and at last eternal life
itself, flow forth from election as its fruits and effects. As the
apostle says, He chose us (not because we were, but) so that we should
be holy and blameless before him in love (Eph. 1:4).
But the cause of this undeserved election is exclusively the good
pleasure of God. This does not involve his choosing certain human
qualities or actions from among all those possible as a condition of
salvation, but rather involves his adopting certain particular persons
from among the common mass of sinners as his own possession.
As Scripture says, When the children were not yet born, and had done
nothing either good or bad..., she (Rebecca) was told, "The older will
serve the younger." As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I
hated" (Rom. 9:11-13). Also, All who were appointed for eternal life
believed (Acts 13:48).
Lop-sided Calvinistic tripe.
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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| User: "James anonymous" |
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01 Sep 2006 08:34:33 AM |
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
Lop-sided Calvinistic tripe.
Is there a different interpretation of these scriptures?
I for one, would like to hear it.
-James
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| User: "Vernon there@athere" |
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01 Sep 2006 08:48:50 AM |
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"James" <anonymous> wrote in message
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
Lop-sided Calvinistic tripe.
Is there a different interpretation of these scriptures?
I for one, would like to hear it.
-James
The scripture says what it says.
Some people think they can impress God into "saving" them. They, thus
think, they are GODS.
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: Election to Salvation is not based on foreseen faith but based on God's Good Pleasure Eph. 1 |
06 Sep 2006 09:38:05 PM |
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"Vernon" <there@athere> wrote in message
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"James" <anonymous> wrote in message
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
Lop-sided Calvinistic tripe.
Is there a different interpretation of these scriptures?
LOL
Paul's writings are not "scriptures." They're opinion papers.
Moreover, Paul occasionally made mistakes, and his writings on
predestination are whoppers.
One mistake was borrowing Jeremiah's "Potter and Clay" analogy, but coming
to an entirely different conclusion than God.
The other was citing Pharaoh as an example of predestination, when Exodus
has three types of statements that are repeated over and over again.
Type 1: God hardened Pharaoh's heart.
Type 2: Pharaoh hardened his heart.
Type 3: Pharaoh's heart was hardened (without reference to cause and
effect).
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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| User: "Pastor Steve Winter" |
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07 Sep 2006 10:40:42 AM |
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <Yeickleberrybooks@comcast.net> spake
thusly and wrote:
Paul's writings are not "scriptures." They're opinion papers.
The Bible addresses scum like H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Why do so many like the devilish and pride engorged H.E.
Eickleberry, Jr. wrestle with the scripture, but remain in false
doctrine?
II Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day
of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and
the elements shall melt with fervent heat.
II Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for
new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
II Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such
things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without
spot, and blameless.
II Peter 3:15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord
[is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according
to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
* * * * * * * * *
II Peter 3:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of
these things; in which are some things hard to be understood,
which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do]
also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
This is interesting because of Peter's affirmation of Paul and
the validity of Paul's writings. Those ignorant false-christian
scum like H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.who reject the teaching of Paul
are also rejecting Peter since Peter affirmed Paul.
II Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these
things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the
error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
Many false Christians like H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. do much study,
but are unable to see basic truths, people actually believe that
they can be Christian without the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, or
they claim to have the Holy Ghost even though they've never
spoken in tongues. They really think that their misunderstanding
of the scriptures concerning "belief" and "believeth" will save
them; and they use that to ignore the truth of the Word of God.
These filth like H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. mock at the basic Biblical
teachings of holy living and decency, preferring the standards of
the "world". And they brazenly lead their families to an eternal
hell.
A man that takes his family to a trinity church of any kind is
leading his family into eternal torment.
II Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the
knowledge of the truth.
II Timothy 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do
these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate
concerning the faith.
II Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and
worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
II Timothy 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast
learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast
learned [them];
II Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy
scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation
through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
II Timothy 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God,
and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:
Some just want the scriptures that speak of belief, and feel that
they can ignore the rest, at will; but they are not really
honest. Often they just feel in their hearts that they are
"saved" even though they have never really obeyed Acts 2:38. God
uses a special word to describe people like that:
PRO 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but
whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
See what God has to say about those filth like H.E. Eickleberry,
Jr. who wrest with the scripture rather than simply obeying it
because they just know in their heart that they are saved. Did
you see what God calls people like that?
Let us review what Peter taught as the plan of salvation for as
many as God would ever call.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized
every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of
sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and
to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall
call.
Yet look at how the false-christians will wrest the scriptures in
their desperate effort to try to justify their disobedience to
Acts 2:38.
The Bible is so clear in its warning against trinitarianism or
anything even remotely like it.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy
and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments
of the world, and not after Christ.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the
Godhead bodily.
Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of
all principality and power:
The phrase "for in him" appears only twice in the entire KJV
Bible. It is referring to Jesus Christ
Acts 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as
certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his
offspring.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the
Godhead bodily.
The true bride of Jesus Christ is the bride of one husband only.
The true bride of Jesus Christ is the bride of "Jesus ONLY".
Yet, the false-church regards the phrase "Jesus Only" as an
insult to be hurled at the true Christian. But I like it
when they do that, because then I can ask them since they
admit they don't worship only Jesus, just who do they worship.
Pastor sTeve Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
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| User: "Tornado" |
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| Title: Re: Election to Salvation is not based on foreseen faith but based on God's Good Pleasure Eph. 1 |
07 Sep 2006 12:20:35 AM |
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In article <GPGdnZQlupyRG2LZnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@comcast.com>, "H.E.
Eickleberry, Jr." <Yeickleberrybooks@comcast.net> wrote:
"Vernon" <there@athere> wrote in message
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"James" <anonymous> wrote in message
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
Lop-sided Calvinistic tripe.
Is there a different interpretation of these scriptures?
LOL
Paul's writings are not "scriptures." They're opinion papers.
Moreover, Paul occasionally made mistakes,
I don't think Paul made mistakes of this kind - it was deliberate on his part
Paul's error was to think that he could synthesize an immediately
successful new state religion for the Roman Empire out of a combination of
Judaism and the then largely integrated Jesus Movement - by remodelling
the beliefs of the Jesus Movement along the lines of the Mystery Cults. I
believe Paul thought the rising Christianity would find easy converts
from amongst those cults, and that this would appeal to the Emperors of
the Julian Claudian line and their successors.
Paul was correct in the long term but the process took three hundred years
- until the ascendance of Constantine, as a result of his victory in the
Civil War.
An additional error on Paul's part was to believe that the ends justifies
the means and that ends are not so heavily shaped by the actions that are
used to bring them about
Pauls tools were based on the use of a powerful imagination. His "Risen
Christ" and his "revelation" are pure invention as almost certainly is the
Eucharist. He believed that a little fraud was acceptable to bring about
a greater good.
But Paul's intended timetable was far shorter than it became. Paul was
thinking about a period of not more than a generation, so a slightly
ricketty, largely self invented theology was only a temporary tool to
him. We however - through the later written Gospels - and the delusion
that they are the inspired word of God - have become stuck with it.
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| User: "James anonymous" |
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| Title: Re: Election to Salvation is not based on foreseen faith but basedon God's Good Pleasure Eph. 1 |
01 Sep 2006 01:29:08 PM |
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Vernon wrote:
The scripture says what it says.
Some people think they can impress God into "saving" them. They, thus
think, they are GODS.
Aren't we GODS? :o) Check out these scriptures:
Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the
most High.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said,
Ye are gods?
"The scripture says what it says."
Something to think about Vernon. The original word used here is
"elohiym." Same as "God" although they chose to use a lower case g in
the translation.
-James
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| User: "Vernon athere@athere" |
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01 Sep 2006 03:18:15 PM |
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"James" <anonymous> wrote in message
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Vernon wrote:
The scripture says what it says.
Some people think they can impress God into "saving" them. They, thus
think, they are GODS.
Aren't we GODS? :o) Check out these scriptures:
Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the
most High.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye
are gods?
"The scripture says what it says."
Something to think about Vernon. The original word used here is "elohiym."
Same as "God" although they chose to use a lower case g in the
translation.
-James
That's why I used GODS.
I any case we don't CONTROL God.
We are NEVER worthy.
We are just below the angels (until the end times).
God created us, not the other way around.
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: Election to Salvation is not based on foreseen faith but based on God's Good Pleasure Eph. 1 |
06 Sep 2006 09:32:53 PM |
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"Vernon" <athere@athere> wrote in message
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"James" <anonymous> wrote in message
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Vernon wrote:
The scripture says what it says.
Some people think they can impress God into "saving" them. They, thus
think, they are GODS.
Aren't we GODS? :o) Check out these scriptures:
Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the
most High.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said,
Ye are gods?
"The scripture says what it says."
Something to think about Vernon. The original word used here is
"elohiym." Same as "God" although they chose to use a lower case g in the
translation.
-James
That's why I used GODS.
I any case we don't CONTROL God.
We are NEVER worthy.
We are just below the angels (until the end times).
God created us, not the other way around.
LOL
The believers ARE the angels.
Ike
P.S. Hebrews probably doesn't belong in the Bible. Then again, if we go by
singular errors instead of examining everything in between "thus saith the
Lord" as a construct of opinions, then neither do most of the other books in
the New Testament, either.
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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| User: "Pastor Steve Winter" |
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| Title: Re: Election to Salvation is not based on foreseen faith but based on God's Good Pleasure Eph. 1 |
07 Sep 2006 10:36:41 AM |
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <Yeickleberrybooks@comcast.net> spake
thusly and wrote:
P.S. Hebrews probably doesn't belong in the Bible.
Fascinating that filthy false-christian scum like H.E.
Eickleberry, Jr. will openly admit their rejection of the Bible.
How can these ignorant, pride engorged filth like H.E.
Eickleberry, Jr. manage to deceive souls?
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
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| User: "www.pulpitfire.org" |
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| Title: Re: Election to Salvation is not based on foreseen faith but based on God's Good Pleasure Eph. 1 |
07 Sep 2006 12:21:03 AM |
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On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 21:32:53 -0500,
in article <yuydnRPbl4dIGWLZnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <Yeickleberrybooks@comcast.net> wrote:
LOL
The believers ARE the angels.
Ike
P.S. Hebrews probably doesn't belong in the Bible. Then again, if we go by
singular errors instead of examining everything in between "thus saith the
Lord" as a construct of opinions, then neither do most of the other books in
the New Testament, either.
Two more reasons to believe you are a heretic, heretic.
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Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this finished work alone for salvation (1 Cor. 15:1-3;
Eph. 2:8-10).
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| User: "Daniel S. Vieira" |
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| Title: Re: Election to Salvation is not based on foreseen faith but basedon God's Good Pleasure Eph. 1 |
07 Sep 2006 09:44:55 AM |
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www.pulpitfire.org wrote:
P.S. Hebrews probably doesn't belong in the Bible. Then again, if we go by
singular errors instead of examining everything in between "thus saith the
Lord" as a construct of opinions, then neither do most of the other books in
the New Testament, either.
Two more reasons to believe you are a heretic, heretic.
Ike's methodology is the same as the Mormons. When arguing with a
Mormon and showing via Scripture that their views are wrong, they will
simply say "The Bible is missing 'Plain and Precious' parts" or that the
verses are interpreted incorrectly. Since they don't accept the
validity of the Scripture, there is no way to objectively "win" with
them -- they can't beat you in the discourse, so they just claim your
sources are wrong.
Ike does the same thing. With a wave of his hand, he delcares by fiat
that Paul's writings are not Scripture but "opinion papers," Hebrews
probably doesn't belong in the Bible, and who knows how many other
"errors" exist that we need the Apostle Ike to bring to light for us.
Same attacks on the Scipture as any other cult leader or heresiarch.
The only difference is that Ike, to my knowledge, doesn't have a pack of
deluded followers who accept his views and live in "Camp Ike" with him.
Maybe he could get that pack of devotees, go live in the forest
somewhere in a commune, and leave the rest of us alone.
Dan
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: Election to Salvation is not based on foreseen faith but based on God's Good Pleasure Eph. 1 |
07 Sep 2006 10:23:30 AM |
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"Daniel S. Vieira" <email-in-sig@no-spam.com> wrote in message
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www.pulpitfire.org wrote:
P.S. Hebrews probably doesn't belong in the Bible. Then again, if we go
by singular errors instead of examining everything in between "thus saith
the Lord" as a construct of opinions, then neither do most of the other
books in the New Testament, either.
Two more reasons to believe you are a heretic, heretic.
Ike's methodology is the same as the Mormons. When arguing with a Mormon
and showing via Scripture that their views are wrong, they will simply say
"The Bible is missing 'Plain and Precious' parts" or that the verses are
interpreted incorrectly.
Exactly the opposite.
The letters of the New Testament were opinion papers, and some of the
constructs in these letters don't bear up under scrutiny when examined in
light of the law and the prophets, (the law and the prophets, including
Jesus' teachings in the Gospels and Revelation).
For example,
1) The writer of Hebrews makes a distinction between man and angel that is
inconsistent with the teachings of Jesus, i.e...
Re 22:9 Then saith [the angel] unto me, "See thou do it not: for I am thy
fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the
sayings of this book: worship God."
Where did this "angel" come from?
1) He was a fellowservant of the Word, just like John.
2) He was a prophet, just like John.
3) He was a man who kept the sayings of Revelation--i.e. He kept the faith,
even unto the death--just like John.
In fact, Jesus starts Revelation by setting up a triune equation by
connection the symbol "stars," the metaphor "angels," and the reality of the
"ministers of the Word."
"...and the seven star which you saw in my right hand are the angels of the
seven churches..."
Then Jesus sends letters to "the angel of the church of x" (where x is the
name of a church), but it is the minister of the Word in those churches that
Jesus was addressing.
2) The writer of Hebrews says that the Old Testament is passing away, when
Jesus said the exact opposite, both in the Gospels, AND in Revelation.
Jesus never spoke of the disannulment of the Old Testament.
In fact, Jesus said heaven and earth would pass away, but not one iota or
title of the law would.
Moreover, Revelation points to the reconciliation of the Testaments in a
peculiar people who will "keep the commandments of God AND have the faith of
Jesus," who will "sing the song of Moses AND the song of the Lamb," and
"they will not be defiled with women / for the are virgins."
3) The author of Hebrews closes by allegorizing our relationship with God as
a will, which is one-party agreement, but it is not a will, but a covenant,
which is a two-party agreement, with responsibilities to be kept by both
parties.
Since they don't accept the validity of the Scripture, there is no way to
objectively "win" with them -- they can't beat you in the discourse, so
they just claim your sources are wrong.
I perfectly accept the validity of scripture.
Hebrews isn't "scripture."
Hebrews is a theological treatise, some of which isn't very accurate.
Ike does the same thing. With a wave of his hand, he delcares by fiat
that Paul's writings are not Scripture but "opinion papers," Hebrews
probably doesn't belong in the Bible, and who knows how many other
"errors" exist that we need the Apostle Ike to bring to light for us.
Same attacks on the Scipture as any other cult leader or heresiarch.
Paul, too, made errors, like borrowing the "Potter and clay" analogy from
Jeremiah while reaching the exact opposite conclusion that God did.
What Paul said...
Ro 9:20-24
Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing
formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one
vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known,
endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of
mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, even us, whom he hath called,
not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
What God said via Jeremiah...
Jr 18:1-10
The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, Arise, and go
down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words.
Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work
on the wheels. And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of
the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter
to make it.
Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, O house of Israel, cannot
I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the
potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a
kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; If that nation,
against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the
evil that I thought to do unto them.
And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a
kingdom, to build and to plant it; If it do evil in my sight, that it obey
not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would
benefit them.
Whereas Paul used the analogy to indicate predestination, God used the
analogy to specifically say He HAS NOT chosen anyone in advance, but decides
the fates of the creatures based on their response to His message.
The only difference is that Ike, to my knowledge, doesn't have a pack of
deluded followers who accept his views and live in "Camp Ike" with him.
Maybe he could get that pack of devotees, go live in the forest somewhere
in a commune, and leave the rest of us alone.
....and maybe, rather, God intends for me to spiritually kick your collective
butts around the block a few times so you get with the program.
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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| User: "James anonymous" |
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| Title: Re: Election to Salvation is not based on foreseen faith but basedon God's Good Pleasure Eph. 1 |
02 Sep 2006 08:30:48 AM |
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Vernon wrote:
That's why I used GODS.
I any case we don't CONTROL God.
True. Although some still try to manipulate God.
We are NEVER worthy.
But He is. Thank the Father for His Son!
We are just below the angels (until the end times).
Until we are transformed "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye."
(coming soon!)
God created us, not the other way around.
Unless you're an atheist. ;o)
-james
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| User: "Vernon athere@athere" |
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| Title: Re: Election to Salvation is not based on foreseen faith but based on God's Good Pleasure Eph. 1 |
02 Sep 2006 09:14:14 AM |
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"James" <anonymous> wrote in message
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Vernon wrote:
That's why I used GODS.
I any case we don't CONTROL God.
True. Although some still try to manipulate God.
For sure. They think they are on God's level. God comes to our level to
help us. We can never reach his level.
Legalists are famous for that syndrome.
We are NEVER worthy.
But He is. Thank the Father for His Son!
Christ covers our sin.
We are just below the angels (until the end times).
Until we are transformed "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye."
(coming soon!)
"twinkling of an eye"
You close your eye and open it.
Ten thousand years could pass and we would not know it. It would just be
"twinkling of an eye" to us.
God created us, not the other way around.
Unless you're an atheist. ;o)
-james
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: Election to Salvation is not based on foreseen faith but based on God's Good Pleasure Eph. 1 |
06 Sep 2006 09:33:55 PM |
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"Vernon" <athere@athere> wrote in message
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For sure. They think they are on God's level. God comes to our level to
help us. We can never reach his level.
Never?
Boy, are you in for a surprise.
Ike
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