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"Pastor Dave" |
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14 Aug 2007 03:42:58 PM |
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End Times Study. Really? |
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:38:12 -0700, Feather
<feather@earthling.net> wrote:
I had given up eschatological study after reading
Revelation Unveiled and that goofy fictional series
called "Left Behind".
And this is the truth that I have been saying all along
and that every Futurist denies, yet it is true! Their
study of the "end times" consists of reading books
and listening to preachers who have done the same!
It does not consist of honest study, that tosses all
doctrine aside first, to see what the Bible actually says!
And I'm not picking on you personally, Feather.
This is simply true of Futurists and yet, they
claim that they do study their Bible regarding
this subject. Sad. (:
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| User: "randy" |
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| Title: Re: End Times Study. Really? |
17 Aug 2007 08:59:58 AM |
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"Pastor Dave"
Feather
I had given up eschatological study after reading
Revelation Unveiled and that goofy fictional series
called "Left Behind".
And this is the truth that I have been saying all along
and that every Futurist denies, yet it is true! Their
study of the "end times" consists of reading books
and listening to preachers who have done the same!
It does not consist of honest study, that tosses all
doctrine aside first, to see what the Bible actually says!
Yes, many "futurists" are simple Christians who accept
verbatum what their preacher tells them. So what? They
rightly feel that eschatology is way down the scale in
importance next to such doctrines as Jesus' divine love and
love between Christians.
And I'm not picking on you personally, Feather.
This is simply true of Futurists and yet, they
claim that they do study their Bible regarding
this subject. Sad. (:
So you group all Futurists together in association with the
"Left Behind" eschatology? Sad!
randy
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: End Times Study. Really? |
17 Aug 2007 10:42:39 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 06:59:58 -0700, "randy"
<rkluth@wavecable.com> wrote:
"Pastor Dave"
Feather
I had given up eschatological study after reading
Revelation Unveiled and that goofy fictional series
called "Left Behind".
And this is the truth that I have been saying all along
and that every Futurist denies, yet it is true! Their
study of the "end times" consists of reading books
and listening to preachers who have done the same!
It does not consist of honest study, that tosses all
doctrine aside first, to see what the Bible actually says!
Yes, many "futurists" are simple Christians who accept
verbatum what their preacher tells them. So what?
Are you really that stupid, that you ask that question?
--
A liberal is someone who will give away everything
except his/her own possessions.
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: End Times Study. Really? |
17 Aug 2007 02:47:33 PM |
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"Pastor Knave" < SATAN @nowhere.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 06:59:58 -0700, "randy"
<rkluth@wavecable.com> wrote:
"Pastor Dave"
Feather
I had given up eschatological study after reading
Revelation Unveiled and that goofy fictional series
called "Left Behind".
And this is the truth that I have been saying all along
and that every Futurist denies, yet it is true! Their
study of the "end times" consists of reading books
and listening to preachers who have done the same!
It does not consist of honest study, that tosses all
doctrine aside first, to see what the Bible actually says!
Yes, many "futurists" are simple Christians who accept
verbatum what their preacher tells them. So what?
Are you really that stupid, that you ask that question?
ROTFL!!!!! There are also a lot who follow the scriptural account, even
though their pastors have been deceived.
You are the stupid one. If you had followed His advice: " Seek ye the Lord
while he may be found" (Is 55:6), you could have prayed for His help in
restraining your vanity, you could have searched the scriptures with His
discernment, and believed Him too. No, you deemed yourself wiser than God,
and have nothing "But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery
indignation, which shall devour the adversaries" (Heb 10:27).
His,
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http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon hota akoueto
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
<)))))))><
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| User: "gatekeeper" |
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| Title: Re: End Times Study. Really? |
18 Aug 2007 06:46:32 AM |
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On Aug 17, 1:47 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Pastor Knave" < SATAN @nowhere.com> wrote in messagenews:pegbc3h382et52s9jl6714bahimvo405oq@4ax.com...
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 06:59:58 -0700, "randy"
<rkl...@wavecable.com> wrote:
"Pastor Dave"
Feather
snip
Yes, many "futurists" are simple Christians who accept
verbatum what their preacher tells them. So what?
Are you really that stupid, that you ask that question?
ROTFL!!!!! There are also a lot who follow the scriptural account, even
though their pastors have been deceived.
You are the stupid one. If you had followed His advice: " Seek ye the Lord
while he may be found" (Is 55:6), you could have prayed for His help in
restraining your vanity, you could have searched the scriptures with His
discernment, and believed Him too. No, you deemed yourself wiser than God,
and have nothing "But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery
indignation, which shall devour the adversaries" (Heb 10:27).
His,
And Is 55:6 has what to do with the discussion?
Ditto, Heb 10:27 ?
I guess it makes you feel like a prophet to say something, anything,
nasty and mean sounding, like you have some kind of spiritual power
that makes you important! LOL
Freddie makes another vicarious, and out of context confession! He
just can't help himself!
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence!
Whosoever will, may come in!
Gatekeeper
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: End Times Study. Really? |
18 Aug 2007 01:31:05 PM |
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"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187437592.022717.83070@l22g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 17, 1:47 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Pastor Knave" < SATAN @nowhere.com> wrote in
messagenews:pegbc3h382et52s9jl6714bahimvo405oq@4ax.com...
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 06:59:58 -0700, "randy"
<rkl...@wavecable.com> wrote:
"Pastor Dave"
Feather
snip
Yes, many "futurists" are simple Christians who accept
verbatum what their preacher tells them. So what?
Are you really that stupid, that you ask that question?
ROTFL!!!!! There are also a lot who follow the scriptural account, even
though their pastors have been deceived.
You are the stupid one. If you had followed His advice: " Seek ye the
Lord
while he may be found" (Is 55:6), you could have prayed for His help in
restraining your vanity, you could have searched the scriptures with His
discernment, and believed Him too. No, you deemed yourself wiser than
God,
and have nothing "But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and
fiery
indignation, which shall devour the adversaries" (Heb 10:27).
His,
And Is 55:6 has what to do with the discussion?
Ditto, Heb 10:27 ?
You don't know. Y'all didn't seek the Lord whoile He could be found and all
you have to expect is "a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery
indignation, which shall devour the adversaries" (Heb 10:27).
You should have read the book before joy riding your manure spreader online
blaspheming yourselves into fiery indignation.
His,
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http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon hota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
<)))))))><
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| User: "John Smith" |
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| Title: Re: End Times Study. Really? |
14 Aug 2007 03:51:54 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:os44c3dcqd6kljddaku89nnu6gnbd1ij48@4ax.com...
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:38:12 -0700, Feather
<feather@earthling.net> wrote:
I had given up eschatological study after reading
Revelation Unveiled and that goofy fictional series
called "Left Behind".
And this is the truth that I have been saying all along
and that every Futurist denies, yet it is true! Their
study of the "end times" consists of reading books
and listening to preachers who have done the same!
It does not consist of honest study, that tosses all
doctrine aside first, to see what the Bible actually says!
Fucking idiot - the bible is nothing more than (fairy tale) doctrine!
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: End Times Study. Really? |
14 Aug 2007 04:01:18 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:51:54 GMT, "John Smith"
<bobsyoungbro@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:os44c3dcqd6kljddaku89nnu6gnbd1ij48@4ax.com...
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:38:12 -0700, Feather
<feather@earthling.net> wrote:
I had given up eschatological study after reading
Revelation Unveiled and that goofy fictional series
called "Left Behind".
And this is the truth that I have been saying all along
and that every Futurist denies, yet it is true! Their
study of the "end times" consists of reading books
and listening to preachers who have done the same!
It does not consist of honest study, that tosses all
doctrine aside first, to see what the Bible actually says!
Fucking idiot - the bible is nothing more than (fairy tale) doctrine!
More of that love and tolerance by atheists,
that we Christians just don't have!
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| User: "gatekeeper" |
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| Title: Re: End Times Study. Really? |
15 Aug 2007 04:12:29 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:42:58 -0400, Pastor Dave wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:38:12 -0700, Feather
<feather@earthling.net> wrote:
I had given up eschatological study after reading
Revelation Unveiled and that goofy fictional series
called "Left Behind".
And this is the truth that I have been saying all along
and that every Futurist denies, yet it is true! Their
study of the "end times" consists of reading books
and listening to preachers who have done the same!
It does not consist of honest study, that tosses all
doctrine aside first, to see what the Bible actually says!
And I'm not picking on you personally, Feather.
This is simply true of Futurists and yet, they
claim that they do study their Bible regarding
this subject. Sad. (:
I as new believer, studied my Bible, and saw everthing
through the Authentic Dispy specs that had been issued
to me by the Plymouth Brethren fellowship where I was
when I was born-again! However I also started feeling
growing pains almost immediately! I look back, and see
the Holy Spirit drawing me to Himself, as He led me to
read books from teachers who He had established in the
Church!
One particular one that I remember the most, was George
Eldon Ladd, in his book, "The Blessed Hope". I learned
that Dispy Premillennialism was not the only game in
town! Ladd is a historical Pre-millennialist, who does
not accept the Darby Dispensational idea of the Church
parenthesis, followed by the 7 year tribulation! His
ideas are far from Preterist, but the Dispys still
refer to his book, as "The Blasted Hope!" Seems that
Dispys have little patience with anyone who strays from
their flock!
I think my main point, is that God still raises up
teachers by the Holy Spirit, who are given some insight
in to certain matters, and God uses that insight to
teach His Church! I do not say that all teachers, or
all that any teach is all of God, but that God can
still use them, and what they write to communicate His
lessons in Discipleship, even as He uses our limited
understanding in amazing ways!
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence!
Whosoever will, may come in!
Gatekeeper
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: End Times Study. Really? |
16 Aug 2007 01:00:55 AM |
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"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:42:58 -0400, Pastor Dave wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:38:12 -0700, Feather
<feather@earthling.net> wrote:
I had given up eschatological study after reading
Revelation Unveiled and that goofy fictional series
called "Left Behind".
And this is the truth that I have been saying all along
and that every Futurist denies, yet it is true! Their
study of the "end times" consists of reading books
and listening to preachers who have done the same!
It does not consist of honest study, that tosses all
doctrine aside first, to see what the Bible actually says!
And I'm not picking on you personally, Feather.
This is simply true of Futurists and yet, they
claim that they do study their Bible regarding
this subject. Sad. (:
I as new believer, studied my Bible, and saw everthing
through the Authentic Dispy specs that had been issued
to me by the Plymouth Brethren fellowship where I was
when I was born-again! However I also started feeling
growing pains almost immediately! I look back, and see
the Holy Spirit drawing me to Himself, as He led me to
read books from teachers who He had established in the
Church!
That was not the Holy Spirit drawing you. Your examples of your lying for
Jesus reveal the spirit that has drawn you, antichrist!
His,
--
http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matk 10:15)
<)))))))><
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: End Times Study. Really? |
15 Aug 2007 05:55:54 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:12:29 -0600, gatekeeper
<gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:42:58 -0400, Pastor Dave wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:38:12 -0700, Feather
<feather@earthling.net> wrote:
I had given up eschatological study after reading
Revelation Unveiled and that goofy fictional series
called "Left Behind".
And this is the truth that I have been saying all along
and that every Futurist denies, yet it is true! Their
study of the "end times" consists of reading books
and listening to preachers who have done the same!
It does not consist of honest study, that tosses all
doctrine aside first, to see what the Bible actually says!
And I'm not picking on you personally, Feather.
This is simply true of Futurists and yet, they
claim that they do study their Bible regarding
this subject. Sad. (:
I as new believer, studied my Bible, and saw everthing
through the Authentic Dispy specs that had been issued
to me by the Plymouth Brethren fellowship where I was
when I was born-again!
'Nuff said! <laugh> :)
However
And then came some truth in doctrine. :)
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| User: "snowpheonix" |
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| Title: Re: End Times Study. Really? |
16 Aug 2007 02:02:05 AM |
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On Aug 16, 8:55 am, Pastor Dave <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
'Nuff said! <laugh> :)
However
And then came some truth in doctrine. :)- Hide quoted text -
We could only wish you would spill some truth from time to time but
your right.. You've said 'nuffin and you will be driven out of being a
pastor until you can find the truth.
You believe that Elohim is one. You do well. The demons also believe
- and shudder! But do you wish to know, O foolish man, that the
belief without the works is dead? Was not Ab raham our father
declared right by works when he offered Yitsh aq his son on the altar?
Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the
works the belief was perfected? And the Scripture was filled which
says, "Ab raham believed Elohim, and it was reckoned to him for
righteousness." And he was called, "Elohim's friend." You see, then,
that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone. In
the same way, was not Rah ab the ***** also declared right by works
when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? For
as the body without the spirit is dead, so also the belief is dead
without the works.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: End Times Study. Really? |
16 Aug 2007 08:37:28 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:02:05 -0700, snowpheonix
<snowpheonix@eck.net.au> wrote:
On Aug 16, 8:55 am, Pastor Dave
<no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
'Nuff said! <laugh> :)
However
And then came some truth in doctrine. :)
We could only wish you would spill some truth from time to time
but your right.. You've said 'nuffin and you will be driven out of
being a pastor until you can find the truth.
Now please make sure to claim that I attacked you and that
you were all kindness and smiles.
Then you can tell people how there is no talking to me,
because I'm so angry.
You can also tell them how the way I spoke to you doesn't
make people want to respond and try to discuss an issue.
You believe that Elohim is one. You do well. The demons
also believe - and shudder!
Yes, now I'm a demon. Gee, thanks for the Christian love
that you pointed out that you have and I don't! At least
now I know what it looks like!
And all of this, because you could not deny what I posted.
You recognized it as being about yourself and that made
you angry, so you jumped in here and attacked me.
But you make sure to play the innocent wounded lamb
in the next thread we're in together, okay?
--
A liberal is someone who will give away everything
except his/her own possessions.
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: End Times Study. Really? |
16 Aug 2007 01:13:45 PM |
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"Pastor Knave" < SATAN @nowhere.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:02:05 -0700, snowpheonix
<snowpheonix@eck.net.au> wrote:
On Aug 16, 8:55 am, Pastor Dave
<no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
'Nuff said! <laugh> :)
However
And then came some truth in doctrine. :)
We could only wish you would spill some truth from time to time
but your right.. You've said 'nuffin and you will be driven out of
being a pastor until you can find the truth.
Now please make sure to claim that I attacked you and that
you were all kindness and smiles.
Satan, you're not only a liar, you're an idiot!
His,
--
http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matk 10:15)
<)))))))><
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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| Title: Re: End Times Study. Really? |
16 Aug 2007 03:34:56 AM |
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snowpheonix napisal(a):
that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone.
So where is your 'work' regarding the source text as presented ?
if one is lazy then falling back on ideological fallacies is
convenient.
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