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User: "Code Programmer"
Date: 14 Jul 2006 01:47:12 AM
Object: [End-Times] The End of Days Christianity
This has been on my mind lately.
The major differences we have in our versions of Christianity.
I say this as someone who has one loyalty, and that is to God.
I say this in regard to not letting my patriotism come in the way of my
conscience towards God.
My personal heart felt belief of God's will is non violence, even
anti-violence.
Jesus teachings said to love our enemies. He said this adding to it, and
therefore be perfect as you heavenly Father is perfect.
The message of Jesus is forgive, love, do good to others, treat each other
as you would like to be treated. He also notes the one law which is the root
of all other laws which effect us in our lives. What we SOW is what we REAP.
This is important. It is the root of the Sermon on the mount. It is the root
of the Good Samaritan, and it is the root of every result of our actions.
God loves all mankind. Even while we were yet sinners, God shows His love
for us in the death of Jesus for our sins. So that we can be reunited back
to God the Father Himself through Jesus works. Jesus has already paid the
price for us all, even those who are yet to believe it and don't know it
yet.
This consistency of God's love towards us is pure. What God does not like is
our poor decision making which is called sin. We are washed clean by God.
Said to Peter, "do not call unholy that which I have declared holy."
So we find the consistency of God is one of love for the people and
judgement upon the deeds which are considered as harmful also called sin.
We find in Jesus active example of showing his faith by his works because
his love is genuine, his compassion giving, and his understanding absolute,
that he forgave the adultress and didnt stone her. In fact used his wisdom
to challenge her accusers to point out that none of them are without sin
either, in saying he who is without sin cast the first stone.
We look in other places of the Old Testament and we have prophets telling us
that God hates it when we point at each others sin and accuse one another.
The perspective that Paul gives us is that we need to encourage one another,
to build each other up in love.
Jesus tells of various ways to make ammends with our brothers.
Jesus goes so far as to say, if you don't forgive then God cannot forgive
you.
And as you judge, so you will be judged to the same measure.
This again and sowing and reaping, and which is illustrated with the slave
forgiven his debts, then throwing a fellow slave in jail because he could
not pay him what he owed. The result was the master which originally forgave
him found out and then threw him in prison.
Forgiveness, love, kindness, good will and so on, are all the fruits of God,
and we are called to do likewise. The principle of what we do to the least
we do unto God.
Which brings me to the subtle factors of influence on the Christians over
the years. That they have gone from being fed to the lion's as entertainment
in the days of the Roman Empire, to becoming fierce warriors with physical
weapons.
This is far removed from blessed are the peace makers, for they shall be
called the sons of God.
This is far removed from our battle is not against flesh and blood but
spiritual strongholds in the heavenly realms, with our weapons also being
spiritual.
Jesus said if my kingdom were of this world, then my disciples would be
fighting so that I would not be turned over to the Jews. He rebuked Peter
for using the sword and he healed the ear he cut off the High Priest's
slave.
Jesus also said, by their fruits you shall know them.
While Peter was a bit rash in his ignorance, likewise many go to war
thinking that it is God's will. The trouble is this happens on both sides of
the conflict. Rumours spread and propaganda and all want to defend what is
right and kill what is evil. And both sides think the other one is the evil
one. It's a recipe founded in hell where chain reactions escalate into wars
over many generations. Even now the crusades of the 11th Century are
remembered by the Moslems in the middle-east as a Holy War against evil
Christian's invading their lands.
So now one can ask about the End time Chrisitanity and the anti-christ.
How will we know the anti-christ?
Perhaps the antichrist will be a Modern Christian with the Patriotic factor
influencing him, as well as the battle of good and evil and the need to
remove the earth of evil doers by force. Even using the words Crusade in
regard to wars.
Again the principles of love, are to remove the worries of your enemy, by
showing him you are not out to get him. This is done by turning the other
cheek when insulted and accused of being evil for example. And to say, sorry
you have that wrong, and explain yourself. It is about going the extra mile
again, so that we win them over with our patience at guiding them to see the
truths we are trying to share with them. If truly we have the spirit of God,
then we prove our faith by our works.
So may it well be that the antichrist will not stand out from the crowd,
because the crowd will also think the same way. And such a thing would
likely be apostasy, but not recognised as it. Even though their hearts are
predominantly with good conscience, they can be caught up in the
distractions of the worries and cares of the world.
We are especially warned, so long as we live by the sword we will die by the
sword.
Again sowing and reaping is the KEY to our experience of heaven or hell on
earth.
So long as we sow kindness and love, we will be winning over the hearts and
minds.
Note in the days of the kingdom of heaven it says, in those days, no one
will say know the Lord, for everyone will know Him, from the least to the
greatest in all the earth.
Such is won over by the spirit of love and kindness. Hospitality is also a
Moslem teaching.
One other factor which is killing many is the one of provoking another with
insults. In regard to war.
Insulting another instead of winning them over with kindness, will provoke
them by their customs to avenge the insulter. To go into another country and
push everyone's emotional buttons of enrage, including playing loud music
outside their church/mosque while they are trying to worship, is going to
cause more trouble. To manipulate those things is outright evil, even
premeditated murder, or just completely arrogantly ignorant.
The prophecy says when the power of the holy people is crushed the end will
come. One might wonder of a country like Iraq where every second street is
called the Holy this and the holy that. These are the places in the old
place of Babylon where the prophet Daniel was a ruler of a third of the
kingdom.
Fire Smoke and Brimstone are the 3 factors present with the burning of
gunpowder, brimstone being the smell of sulphur. It is also present with
bombs, tank shells, and even suicide bombers. These are the 3 plagues of 6th
Trumpet which kill a third part of men. In January 2006, 34 Iraqi people had
been killed on average since the start of the war. As a percentage, 34% is a
third part of 100%.
So we have to ask ourselves. Have we been caught up in something which has
gradually got us off base from where Jesus wants us to grow to? For we
should not be thinking violence. We should be thinking of ways of peace.
That is a mindset which thinks of peaceful solutions.
The natural easy solution is to hit something with violence and force. Such
might be considered the animal nature or the beast nature. The way of Darwin
is the biggest beast always wins.
The way of Jesus is, love your enemies, bless those which curse you.
It's about breaking the cycle of revenge with understanding and forgiveness,
and to take responsibility for sowing and reaping. If we dont have this
understanding, what are we being taught?
The Old Testament was back then. Jesus never said hit anyone yet alone kill
or invade.
He corrected hate your enemies to love your enemies.
He acted in love saying this is the Father in me doing these things.
Jesus said, "By their fruits you shall know them."
These are the things we must learn to do, to overcome the instincts of
violence and revenge which are antichrist.
The other thing is punishment.
Punishment was ment to deter. Not for those who see others being punished to
get a thrill. Such a thrill is sick and evil. It is written not to delight
in the enemy suffering.
The law is useless without the spirit of the Law. Without the spirit, the
law is death, with the spirit, the law guides us to give us the ways of
life. Forgiveness allows us to learn from our mistakes so we learn to Sow
different next time.
Love. Sow and Reap.
If we sow war, is there any wonder we have it?
If we sow hatred is there any wonder we have it back at us?
We are not meant to hate. Hatred will eat you.
We are meant to love.
Instead of hate we need to not feel that emotion but rather simple rejection
without revile.
The extreme difference should be love on one hand, and no emotion on the
other. Hatred is the way to self destruction taking everything around you
with it.
For hatred causes the body to rott for it is negative destructive energy.
Healing from cancers requires forgiveness. And it can be realized those
people who were not forgiven but hated, in fact were the reasons for the
cancers. (Dr Paul Yongi Cho Korea's biggest church in the 80s)
There are many things which have been handed down to us as teachings and
ways, which in fact get in the way of the simplicity of love. To consider
the side effects and direct effects of our decisions, for every decision is
sowing either for the kingdom or against the kingdom of heaven.
Let us encourage one another in love.
Let us learn to really love one another and not just do it becsause we are
supposed to.
This is the internal struggle, the battle of the flesh, the real Jihad is
spiritual. For surely the kingdom of heaven is within us. Let us sow for
eternity wisely.
Most times the struggle is for lack of understanding. For when you
understand how to overcome, its never a choice, its the obvious choice wiht
many benefits.
If we spent as much time working on solutions instead of making judgements,
we would be sowing major solutions to make being godly much easier and more
natural for us as we become more like Jesus in our thinking, as well as our
ways.
Love PEace Joy
Ray
--
PEace
Ray M O'Keeffe
An open mind has eyes to see and ears to hear.
If you don't get to the end because you dont like the message, then dont be
surprised when it all goes south and you didnt see it coming.
www.angelfire.com/oz/zen/prophecy/
--
.

User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."

Title: Re: [End-Times] The End of Days Christianity 14 Jul 2006 12:04:37 PM
"Code Programmer" <raymokeeffe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e97eko$35l$1@news-01.bur.connect.com.au...

This has been on my mind lately.
The major differences we have in our versions of Christianity.

Well, then you need to give your "mind" (read "demon") a rest, because Jesus
already dealt with the issue of denominational diversity in the Letters to
the Seven Churches.
It was supposed to be diverse, for better or worse.
Now take a hike.
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
.
User: "Craig Chilton -- Help to Make the USA Bigotry-FREE!"

Title: Re: [End-Times] The End of Days Christianity 14 Jul 2006 12:17:24 PM
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:04:37 -0500,
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <Yeickleberrybooks@comcast.net> wrote:

"Code Programmer" <raymokeeffe@hotmail.com> wrote:

This has been on my mind lately. The major differences we
have in our versions of Christianity.

Well, then you need to give your "mind" (read "demon") a
rest, because Jesus already dealt with the issue of denominational
diversity in the Letters to the Seven Churches.

It was supposed to be diverse, for better or worse.

Now take a hike.

Well-l-l-l-... I dunno about that.
Jesus (by proxy) certainly didn't seem to have
much use for the Laodocean Church, now, did he... ??
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
.

User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic"

Title: Re: [End-Times] The End of Days Christianity 10 Aug 2006 07:55:34 PM
Well done :-)
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <Yeickleberrybooks@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:JO-dnWF5KtI7UyrZnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@comcast.com...

"Code Programmer" <raymokeeffe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e97eko$35l$1@news-01.bur.connect.com.au...

This has been on my mind lately.
The major differences we have in our versions of Christianity.


Well, then you need to give your "mind" (read "demon") a rest, because
Jesus already dealt with the issue of denominational diversity in the
Letters to the Seven Churches.

It was supposed to be diverse, for better or worse.

Now take a hike.

Ike

www.eickleberrybooks.com

.
User: "Libertarius"

Title: Re: [End-Times] The End of Days Christianity 11 Aug 2006 01:08:42 PM
Christianity was INVENTED some 19 centuries ago by Saul/Paul & others
preaching that THOSE were the "end days".
It was false then, and it is false now. -- L.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
.



User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic"

Title: Re: [End-Times] The End of Days Christianity 09 Aug 2006 04:01:01 PM
"Code Programmer" <raymokeeffe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e97eko$35l$1@news-01.bur.connect.com.au...

This has been on my mind lately.
The major differences we have in our versions of Christianity.
I say this as someone who has one loyalty, and that is to God.
I say this in regard to not letting my patriotism come in the way of my
conscience towards God. My personal heart felt belief of God's will is non
violence, even anti-violence.

Take some time to read Revelation

Jesus teachings said to love our enemies. He said this adding to it, and
therefore be perfect as you heavenly Father is perfect.

He also told John what to write down in Revelation

The message of Jesus is forgive, love, do good to others, treat each other
as you would like to be treated.

If you were in big trouble would you want someone to come to help you ?
Sometimes violence is the *only* way left to help others.

He also notes the one law which is the root of all other laws which effect
us in our lives. What we SOW is what we REAP.

Plant the lack of care, and no one will come to help you.

This is important. It is the root of the Sermon on the mount. It is the
root of the Good Samaritan, and it is the root of every result of our
actions.
God loves all mankind. Even while we were yet sinners, God shows His love
for us in the death of Jesus for our sins. So that we can be reunited back
to God the Father Himself through Jesus works. Jesus has already paid the
price for us all, even those who are yet to believe it and don't know it
yet.
This consistency of God's love towards us is pure.

My wife died last year.
<snipped, good stuff to which I had no response>

Jesus tells of various ways to make ammends with our brothers.
Jesus goes so far as to say, if you don't forgive then God cannot forgive
you.
And as you judge, so you will be judged to the same measure.
This again and sowing and reaping, and which is illustrated with the slave
forgiven his debts, then throwing a fellow slave in jail because he could
not pay him what he owed. The result was the master which originally
forgave him found out and then threw him in prison.
Forgiveness, love, kindness, good will and so on, are all the fruits of
God, and we are called to do likewise. The principle of what we do to the
least we do unto God.

Picture this, some national leader is harming, maiming, and killing the
least (say hundred, plus, a day).
Which is mercy... ?
Standing by and watching ?
or
Removing the idiot (and his supporters) from power ?

Which brings me to the subtle factors of influence on the Christians over
the years. That they have gone from being fed to the lion's as
entertainment in the days of the Roman Empire, to becoming fierce warriors
with physical weapons.

With good reasons, of late.

This is far removed from blessed are the peace makers, for they shall be
called the sons of God.

No justice, no peace.
Suffering injustices isn't a state of peace... No Christian, in any military
loves war, but can see that too many times, the *only way* to peace, is
through war.
Heck we have weapons called *peace-makers*
BTW I can be *called* a "dog" but such doesn't make me one.

This is far removed from our battle is not against flesh and blood but
spiritual strongholds in the heavenly realms, with our weapons also being
spiritual.

And yet we have the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11:3-12 (Please read the
whole thing)
<snippers>

So may it well be that the antichrist will not stand out from the crowd,
because the crowd will also think the same way. And such a thing would
likely be apostasy, but not recognised as it. Even though their hearts are
predominantly with good conscience, they can be caught up in the
distractions of the worries and cares of the world.
We are especially warned, so long as we live by the sword we will die by
the sword.
Again sowing and reaping is the KEY to our experience of heaven or hell on
earth.
So long as we sow kindness and love, we will be winning over the hearts
and minds.

Kindness and love would cause me to defend the least from their enemies, how
about you ?

Note in the days of the kingdom of heaven it says, in those days, no one
will say know the Lord, for everyone will know Him, from the least to the
greatest in all the earth. Such is won over by the spirit of love and
kindness. Hospitality is also a Moslem teaching.

And again see Revelation, the last book in your Bible, it tells us how the
world is won over !
<snip>

These are the things we must learn to do, to overcome the instincts of
violence and revenge which are antichrist.

I see, so in the book of Revelation, God, His angels, and Jesus(Himself) are
the Anti-Christ,,, interesting, very interesting...
<snip>

We are not meant to hate. Hatred will eat you.
We are meant to love.

Go out in the woods, unarmed, and steal a cub from a loving mother bear, and
see what happens !
Yes, we are to *love*, and love does not look away when that which is loved
is in danger, love often brings *violence* (with no "hate" involved). I
don't hate the enemy, but I will protect the ones I love from them.
Doing nothing will also "eat you"
<snip>

Most times the struggle is for lack of understanding. For when you
understand how to overcome, its never a choice, its the obvious choice
with many benefits. If we spent as much time working on solutions instead
of making judgements, we would be sowing major solutions to make being
godly much easier and more natural for us as we become more like Jesus in
our thinking, as well as our ways.

Only one solution in Israel, Israel wins, and is left alone.

Love PEace Joy
Ray
--
PEace Ray M O'Keeffe
An open mind has eyes to see and ears to hear.
If you don't get to the end because you dont like the message, then dont
be surprised when it all goes south and you didnt see it coming.
www.angelfire.com/oz/zen/prophecy/
--

Glenn (Christian Mystic)
.
User: "Lee Hirt"

Title: Re: Re: [End-Times] The End of Days Christianity 11 Aug 2006 10:05:54 AM
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:01:01 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:


"Code Programmer" <raymokeeffe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e97eko$35l$1@news-01.bur.connect.com.au...

This has been on my mind lately.
The major differences we have in our versions of Christianity.
I say this as someone who has one loyalty, and that is to God.
I say this in regard to not letting my patriotism come in the way of my
conscience towards God. My personal heart felt belief of God's will is non
violence, even anti-violence.


Take some time to read Revelation

Jesus teachings said to love our enemies. He said this adding to it, and
therefore be perfect as you heavenly Father is perfect.


He also told John what to write down in Revelation

The message of Jesus is forgive, love, do good to others, treat each other
as you would like to be treated.


If you were in big trouble would you want someone to come to help you ?
Sometimes violence is the *only* way left to help others.

Right! Violence has sure helped the Middle East to solve their
problems, hasn't it? Violence begets violence.
.
User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic"

Title: Re: Re: [End-Times] The End of Days Christianity 24 Aug 2006 02:38:39 PM
"Lee Hirt" <Please@nospam.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:01:01 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote

"Code Programmer" <raymokeeffe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e97eko$35l$1@news-01.bur.connect.com.au...

<snip>

He also told John what to write down in Revelation

The message of Jesus is forgive, love, do good to others, treat each
other
as you would like to be treated.


If you were in big trouble would you want someone to come to help you ?
Sometimes violence is the *only* way left to help others.


Right! Violence has sure helped the Middle East to solve their
problems, hasn't it? Violence begets violence.

Do nothing, and worse giving in to it, by giving it what it wants, by
'loving the evil doers', allows violence to gain its victory over us all.
.



User: "Abraham Simpson"

Title: Re: The End of Days Christianity 15 Jul 2006 08:12:10 PM
Hello Code Programmer:
Based on the greater context of the whole, continuous, story of
scripture, the reason that the world is in the situation it is now, is
because of the division and fall of covenant Israel, approximately 3000
years ago.
True Christianity, which is true Judaism, was a nationalistic movement
to build a body to follow the coming Christ to success in the battle of
Armageddon, taking back the domain of Solomon in order to resurrect the
Davidic kingdom of covenant Israel, as per messianic prophesy.
The one thing that the body of Christ cannot be, is divided. "Divided
body of Christ" is an oxymoron, and indicates that Christianity as we
know it today is not the body of Christ, and therefore is not true
Christianity.
Jesus said that many would come saying that Jesus is the Christ, and
they will lead many astray, and it would appear that the universal
religion of the Roman empire, and her legion of divided protestant
daughters, are those people.
If true Christianity exists as an organization, it is building a body
to go to war to resurrect the Davidic kingdom, and it's mantra is love
one another, and all say the same thing.
What do you think?
Code Programmer wrote:

This has been on my mind lately.
The major differences we have in our versions of Christianity.

I say this as someone who has one loyalty, and that is to God.
I say this in regard to not letting my patriotism come in the way of my
conscience towards God.

My personal heart felt belief of God's will is non violence, even
anti-violence.

Jesus teachings said to love our enemies. He said this adding to it, and
therefore be perfect as you heavenly Father is perfect.

The message of Jesus is forgive, love, do good to others, treat each other
as you would like to be treated. He also notes the one law which is the root
of all other laws which effect us in our lives. What we SOW is what we REAP.

This is important. It is the root of the Sermon on the mount. It is the root
of the Good Samaritan, and it is the root of every result of our actions.

God loves all mankind. Even while we were yet sinners, God shows His love
for us in the death of Jesus for our sins. So that we can be reunited back
to God the Father Himself through Jesus works. Jesus has already paid the
price for us all, even those who are yet to believe it and don't know it
yet.

This consistency of God's love towards us is pure. What God does not like is
our poor decision making which is called sin. We are washed clean by God.
Said to Peter, "do not call unholy that which I have declared holy."

So we find the consistency of God is one of love for the people and
judgement upon the deeds which are considered as harmful also called sin.

We find in Jesus active example of showing his faith by his works because
his love is genuine, his compassion giving, and his understanding absolute,
that he forgave the adultress and didnt stone her. In fact used his wisdom
to challenge her accusers to point out that none of them are without sin
either, in saying he who is without sin cast the first stone.

We look in other places of the Old Testament and we have prophets telling us
that God hates it when we point at each others sin and accuse one another.
The perspective that Paul gives us is that we need to encourage one another,
to build each other up in love.

Jesus tells of various ways to make ammends with our brothers.
Jesus goes so far as to say, if you don't forgive then God cannot forgive
you.
And as you judge, so you will be judged to the same measure.
This again and sowing and reaping, and which is illustrated with the slave
forgiven his debts, then throwing a fellow slave in jail because he could
not pay him what he owed. The result was the master which originally forgave
him found out and then threw him in prison.

Forgiveness, love, kindness, good will and so on, are all the fruits of God,
and we are called to do likewise. The principle of what we do to the least
we do unto God.

Which brings me to the subtle factors of influence on the Christians over
the years. That they have gone from being fed to the lion's as entertainment
in the days of the Roman Empire, to becoming fierce warriors with physical
weapons.

This is far removed from blessed are the peace makers, for they shall be
called the sons of God.
This is far removed from our battle is not against flesh and blood but
spiritual strongholds in the heavenly realms, with our weapons also being
spiritual.

Jesus said if my kingdom were of this world, then my disciples would be
fighting so that I would not be turned over to the Jews. He rebuked Peter
for using the sword and he healed the ear he cut off the High Priest's
slave.

Jesus also said, by their fruits you shall know them.

While Peter was a bit rash in his ignorance, likewise many go to war
thinking that it is God's will. The trouble is this happens on both sides of
the conflict. Rumours spread and propaganda and all want to defend what is
right and kill what is evil. And both sides think the other one is the evil
one. It's a recipe founded in hell where chain reactions escalate into wars
over many generations. Even now the crusades of the 11th Century are
remembered by the Moslems in the middle-east as a Holy War against evil
Christian's invading their lands.

So now one can ask about the End time Chrisitanity and the anti-christ.
How will we know the anti-christ?

Perhaps the antichrist will be a Modern Christian with the Patriotic factor
influencing him, as well as the battle of good and evil and the need to
remove the earth of evil doers by force. Even using the words Crusade in
regard to wars.

Again the principles of love, are to remove the worries of your enemy, by
showing him you are not out to get him. This is done by turning the other
cheek when insulted and accused of being evil for example. And to say, sorry
you have that wrong, and explain yourself. It is about going the extra mile
again, so that we win them over with our patience at guiding them to see the
truths we are trying to share with them. If truly we have the spirit of God,
then we prove our faith by our works.

So may it well be that the antichrist will not stand out from the crowd,
because the crowd will also think the same way. And such a thing would
likely be apostasy, but not recognised as it. Even though their hearts are
predominantly with good conscience, they can be caught up in the
distractions of the worries and cares of the world.

We are especially warned, so long as we live by the sword we will die by the
sword.
Again sowing and reaping is the KEY to our experience of heaven or hell on
earth.

So long as we sow kindness and love, we will be winning over the hearts and
minds.

Note in the days of the kingdom of heaven it says, in those days, no one
will say know the Lord, for everyone will know Him, from the least to the
greatest in all the earth.

Such is won over by the spirit of love and kindness. Hospitality is also a
Moslem teaching.

One other factor which is killing many is the one of provoking another with
insults. In regard to war.
Insulting another instead of winning them over with kindness, will provoke
them by their customs to avenge the insulter. To go into another country and
push everyone's emotional buttons of enrage, including playing loud music
outside their church/mosque while they are trying to worship, is going to
cause more trouble. To manipulate those things is outright evil, even
premeditated murder, or just completely arrogantly ignorant.

The prophecy says when the power of the holy people is crushed the end will
come. One might wonder of a country like Iraq where every second street is
called the Holy this and the holy that. These are the places in the old
place of Babylon where the prophet Daniel was a ruler of a third of the
kingdom.

Fire Smoke and Brimstone are the 3 factors present with the burning of
gunpowder, brimstone being the smell of sulphur. It is also present with
bombs, tank shells, and even suicide bombers. These are the 3 plagues of 6th
Trumpet which kill a third part of men. In January 2006, 34 Iraqi people had
been killed on average since the start of the war. As a percentage, 34% is a
third part of 100%.

So we have to ask ourselves. Have we been caught up in something which has
gradually got us off base from where Jesus wants us to grow to? For we
should not be thinking violence. We should be thinking of ways of peace.
That is a mindset which thinks of peaceful solutions.

The natural easy solution is to hit something with violence and force. Such
might be considered the animal nature or the beast nature. The way of Darwin
is the biggest beast always wins.

The way of Jesus is, love your enemies, bless those which curse you.
It's about breaking the cycle of revenge with understanding and forgiveness,
and to take responsibility for sowing and reaping. If we dont have this
understanding, what are we being taught?

The Old Testament was back then. Jesus never said hit anyone yet alone kill
or invade.
He corrected hate your enemies to love your enemies.
He acted in love saying this is the Father in me doing these things.

Jesus said, "By their fruits you shall know them."

These are the things we must learn to do, to overcome the instincts of
violence and revenge which are antichrist.

The other thing is punishment.
Punishment was ment to deter. Not for those who see others being punished to
get a thrill. Such a thrill is sick and evil. It is written not to delight
in the enemy suffering.

The law is useless without the spirit of the Law. Without the spirit, the
law is death, with the spirit, the law guides us to give us the ways of
life. Forgiveness allows us to learn from our mistakes so we learn to Sow
different next time.

Love. Sow and Reap.
If we sow war, is there any wonder we have it?
If we sow hatred is there any wonder we have it back at us?

We are not meant to hate. Hatred will eat you.
We are meant to love.
Instead of hate we need to not feel that emotion but rather simple rejection
without revile.
The extreme difference should be love on one hand, and no emotion on the
other. Hatred is the way to self destruction taking everything around you
with it.

For hatred causes the body to rott for it is negative destructive energy.
Healing from cancers requires forgiveness. And it can be realized those
people who were not forgiven but hated, in fact were the reasons for the
cancers. (Dr Paul Yongi Cho Korea's biggest church in the 80s)

There are many things which have been handed down to us as teachings and
ways, which in fact get in the way of the simplicity of love. To consider
the side effects and direct effects of our decisions, for every decision is
sowing either for the kingdom or against the kingdom of heaven.

Let us encourage one another in love.
Let us learn to really love one another and not just do it becsause we are
supposed to.
This is the internal struggle, the battle of the flesh, the real Jihad is
spiritual. For surely the kingdom of heaven is within us. Let us sow for
eternity wisely.

Most times the struggle is for lack of understanding. For when you
understand how to overcome, its never a choice, its the obvious choice wiht
many benefits.

If we spent as much time working on solutions instead of making judgements,
we would be sowing major solutions to make being godly much easier and more
natural for us as we become more like Jesus in our thinking, as well as our
ways.

Love PEace Joy

Ray


--

PEace

Ray M O'Keeffe

An open mind has eyes to see and ears to hear.
If you don't get to the end because you dont like the message, then dont be
surprised when it all goes south and you didnt see it coming.

www.angelfire.com/oz/zen/prophecy/

--

.
User: "Code Programmer"

Title: Re: The End of Days Christianity 15 Jul 2006 11:32:40 PM
"Abraham Simpson" <abesimpson@3web.com> wrote in message
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Hello Code Programmer:
Based on the greater context of the whole, continuous, story of
scripture, the reason that the world is in the situation it is now, is
because of the division and fall of covenant Israel, approximately 3000
years ago.
True Christianity, which is true Judaism, was a nationalistic movement
to build a body to follow the coming Christ to success in the battle of
Armageddon, taking back the domain of Solomon in order to resurrect the
Davidic kingdom of covenant Israel, as per messianic prophesy.
The one thing that the body of Christ cannot be, is divided. "Divided
body of Christ" is an oxymoron, and indicates that Christianity as we
know it today is not the body of Christ, and therefore is not true
Christianity.
Jesus said that many would come saying that Jesus is the Christ, and
they will lead many astray, and it would appear that the universal
religion of the Roman empire, and her legion of divided protestant
daughters, are those people.
If true Christianity exists as an organization, it is building a body
to go to war to resurrect the Davidic kingdom, and it's mantra is love
one another, and all say the same thing.
What do you think?


That sounds good to me. However the only war is a spiritual war.
For the Scriptures say that when a nation is right with God it's enemies are
at peace with her.
Modern Christianity as you say, is off base. The day Rome took over, and
Christians started to fight in the physical, is when they had the FRUITS Of
having gone astray.
Love is what it is all about.
And it is also about NOT having an US and THEM mindset.
Hypocrisy is despised by everyone. And this is the lesson of consistency and
no double standards. For what we do to the least we do unto God. And when we
help another, it is the fruit of God doing it as it grows within us.
Jesus paid the price for all. Even those which do not know it yet.
It's a free gift of God, that no man may boast.
Religion has made it into a filthy tasting lump which is shuffed down
peoples throats without them having time to chew it. So the people reject
this and look for other ways.
Unfortunately good people can be provoked by evil into reacting with evil.
And the result is that it keeps it going . This is why Jesus said turn the
other cheek, go the extra mile. To win them over. Not to add fuel to the
fire. What is sown is reaped. And when others sow evil it is our duty as
believers to understand where they are at. With higher knowledge we can see
they are deceived, and we are to help them see, so that our example is
peaceful. Fruits are the real test.
For those who fall and get caught up in the moment. There is always
repentance. God is on our side. He wants us to simply admit our mistakes and
learn the new ways, His ways, of Life. Even Eternal Life.
The kingdom of heaven starts here and now, and continues into eternity. It
does not start when you are dead as many deceived people think when they
seek to die early in battle and the like.
When I was hungry you gave me to eat.
Blessed are the peace makers for they shall be called the sons of God.
Peace Brother. Give my regards to Bart and Lisa, Hommer and Marge.
God has a sense of humour.
--
PEace
Ray M O'Keeffe
An open mind has eyes to see and ears to hear.
If you don't get to the end because you dont like the message, then dont be
surprised when it all goes south and you didnt see it coming.
God loves everyone. Remember that.
Blessed are the peace makers they shall be called the sons of God.
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Code Programmer wrote:

This has been on my mind lately.
The major differences we have in our versions of Christianity.

I say this as someone who has one loyalty, and that is to God.
I say this in regard to not letting my patriotism come in the way of my
conscience towards God.

My personal heart felt belief of God's will is non violence, even
anti-violence.

Jesus teachings said to love our enemies. He said this adding to it, and
therefore be perfect as you heavenly Father is perfect.

The message of Jesus is forgive, love, do good to others, treat each
other
as you would like to be treated. He also notes the one law which is the
root
of all other laws which effect us in our lives. What we SOW is what we
REAP.

This is important. It is the root of the Sermon on the mount. It is the
root
of the Good Samaritan, and it is the root of every result of our actions.

God loves all mankind. Even while we were yet sinners, God shows His love
for us in the death of Jesus for our sins. So that we can be reunited
back
to God the Father Himself through Jesus works. Jesus has already paid the
price for us all, even those who are yet to believe it and don't know it
yet.

This consistency of God's love towards us is pure. What God does not like
is
our poor decision making which is called sin. We are washed clean by God.
Said to Peter, "do not call unholy that which I have declared holy."

So we find the consistency of God is one of love for the people and
judgement upon the deeds which are considered as harmful also called sin.

We find in Jesus active example of showing his faith by his works because
his love is genuine, his compassion giving, and his understanding
absolute,
that he forgave the adultress and didnt stone her. In fact used his
wisdom
to challenge her accusers to point out that none of them are without sin
either, in saying he who is without sin cast the first stone.

We look in other places of the Old Testament and we have prophets telling
us
that God hates it when we point at each others sin and accuse one
another.
The perspective that Paul gives us is that we need to encourage one
another,
to build each other up in love.

Jesus tells of various ways to make ammends with our brothers.
Jesus goes so far as to say, if you don't forgive then God cannot forgive
you.
And as you judge, so you will be judged to the same measure.
This again and sowing and reaping, and which is illustrated with the
slave
forgiven his debts, then throwing a fellow slave in jail because he could
not pay him what he owed. The result was the master which originally
forgave
him found out and then threw him in prison.

Forgiveness, love, kindness, good will and so on, are all the fruits of
God,
and we are called to do likewise. The principle of what we do to the
least
we do unto God.

Which brings me to the subtle factors of influence on the Christians over
the years. That they have gone from being fed to the lion's as
entertainment
in the days of the Roman Empire, to becoming fierce warriors with
physical
weapons.

This is far removed from blessed are the peace makers, for they shall be
called the sons of God.
This is far removed from our battle is not against flesh and blood but
spiritual strongholds in the heavenly realms, with our weapons also being
spiritual.

Jesus said if my kingdom were of this world, then my disciples would be
fighting so that I would not be turned over to the Jews. He rebuked Peter
for using the sword and he healed the ear he cut off the High Priest's
slave.

Jesus also said, by their fruits you shall know them.

While Peter was a bit rash in his ignorance, likewise many go to war
thinking that it is God's will. The trouble is this happens on both sides
of
the conflict. Rumours spread and propaganda and all want to defend what
is
right and kill what is evil. And both sides think the other one is the
evil
one. It's a recipe founded in hell where chain reactions escalate into
wars
over many generations. Even now the crusades of the 11th Century are
remembered by the Moslems in the middle-east as a Holy War against evil
Christian's invading their lands.

So now one can ask about the End time Chrisitanity and the anti-christ.
How will we know the anti-christ?

Perhaps the antichrist will be a Modern Christian with the Patriotic
factor
influencing him, as well as the battle of good and evil and the need to
remove the earth of evil doers by force. Even using the words Crusade in
regard to wars.

Again the principles of love, are to remove the worries of your enemy, by
showing him you are not out to get him. This is done by turning the other
cheek when insulted and accused of being evil for example. And to say,
sorry
you have that wrong, and explain yourself. It is about going the extra
mile
again, so that we win them over with our patience at guiding them to see
the
truths we are trying to share with them. If truly we have the spirit of
God,
then we prove our faith by our works.

So may it well be that the antichrist will not stand out from the crowd,
because the crowd will also think the same way. And such a thing would
likely be apostasy, but not recognised as it. Even though their hearts
are
predominantly with good conscience, they can be caught up in the
distractions of the worries and cares of the world.

We are especially warned, so long as we live by the sword we will die by
the
sword.
Again sowing and reaping is the KEY to our experience of heaven or hell
on
earth.

So long as we sow kindness and love, we will be winning over the hearts
and
minds.

Note in the days of the kingdom of heaven it says, in those days, no one
will say know the Lord, for everyone will know Him, from the least to the
greatest in all the earth.

Such is won over by the spirit of love and kindness. Hospitality is also
a
Moslem teaching.

One other factor which is killing many is the one of provoking another
with
insults. In regard to war.
Insulting another instead of winning them over with kindness, will
provoke
them by their customs to avenge the insulter. To go into another country
and
push everyone's emotional buttons of enrage, including playing loud music
outside their church/mosque while they are trying to worship, is going to
cause more trouble. To manipulate those things is outright evil, even
premeditated murder, or just completely arrogantly ignorant.

The prophecy says when the power of the holy people is crushed the end
will
come. One might wonder of a country like Iraq where every second street
is
called the Holy this and the holy that. These are the places in the old
place of Babylon where the prophet Daniel was a ruler of a third of the
kingdom.

Fire Smoke and Brimstone are the 3 factors present with the burning of
gunpowder, brimstone being the smell of sulphur. It is also present with
bombs, tank shells, and even suicide bombers. These are the 3 plagues of
6th
Trumpet which kill a third part of men. In January 2006, 34 Iraqi people
had
been killed on average since the start of the war. As a percentage, 34%
is a
third part of 100%.

So we have to ask ourselves. Have we been caught up in something which
has
gradually got us off base from where Jesus wants us to grow to? For we
should not be thinking violence. We should be thinking of ways of peace.
That is a mindset which thinks of peaceful solutions.

The natural easy solution is to hit something with violence and force.
Such
might be considered the animal nature or the beast nature. The way of
Darwin
is the biggest beast always wins.

The way of Jesus is, love your enemies, bless those which curse you.
It's about breaking the cycle of revenge with understanding and
forgiveness,
and to take responsibility for sowing and reaping. If we dont have this
understanding, what are we being taught?

The Old Testament was back then. Jesus never said hit anyone yet alone
kill
or invade.
He corrected hate your enemies to love your enemies.
He acted in love saying this is the Father in me doing these things.

Jesus said, "By their fruits you shall know them."

These are the things we must learn to do, to overcome the instincts of
violence and revenge which are antichrist.

The other thing is punishment.
Punishment was ment to deter. Not for those who see others being punished
to
get a thrill. Such a thrill is sick and evil. It is written not to
delight
in the enemy suffering.

The law is useless without the spirit of the Law. Without the spirit, the
law is death, with the spirit, the law guides us to give us the ways of
life. Forgiveness allows us to learn from our mistakes so we learn to Sow
different next time.

Love. Sow and Reap.
If we sow war, is there any wonder we have it?
If we sow hatred is there any wonder we have it back at us?

We are not meant to hate. Hatred will eat you.
We are meant to love.
Instead of hate we need to not feel that emotion but rather simple
rejection
without revile.
The extreme difference should be love on one hand, and no emotion on the
other. Hatred is the way to self destruction taking everything around you
with it.

For hatred causes the body to rott for it is negative destructive energy.
Healing from cancers requires forgiveness. And it can be realized those
people who were not forgiven but hated, in fact were the reasons for the
cancers. (Dr Paul Yongi Cho Korea's biggest church in the 80s)

There are many things which have been handed down to us as teachings and
ways, which in fact get in the way of the simplicity of love. To consider
the side effects and direct effects of our decisions, for every decision
is
sowing either for the kingdom or against the kingdom of heaven.

Let us encourage one another in love.
Let us learn to really love one another and not just do it becsause we
are
supposed to.
This is the internal struggle, the battle of the flesh, the real Jihad is
spiritual. For surely the kingdom of heaven is within us. Let us sow for
eternity wisely.

Most times the struggle is for lack of understanding. For when you
understand how to overcome, its never a choice, its the obvious choice
wiht
many benefits.

If we spent as much time working on solutions instead of making
judgements,
we would be sowing major solutions to make being godly much easier and
more
natural for us as we become more like Jesus in our thinking, as well as
our
ways.

Love PEace Joy

Ray


--

PEace

Ray M O'Keeffe

An open mind has eyes to see and ears to hear.
If you don't get to the end because you dont like the message, then dont
be
surprised when it all goes south and you didnt see it coming.

www.angelfire.com/oz/zen/prophecy/

--


.
User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic"

Title: Re: The End of Days Christianity 10 Aug 2006 07:47:33 PM
"Code Programmer" <raymokeeffe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Abraham Simpson" <abesimpson@3web.com> wrote in message
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<snip>

That sounds good to me. However the only war is a spiritual war.
For the Scriptures say that when a nation is right with God it's enemies
are at peace with her.
Modern Christianity as you say, is off base. The day Rome took over, and
Christians started to fight in the physical, is when they had the FRUITS
Of having gone astray.
Love is what it is all about.
And it is also about NOT having an US and THEM mindset.
Hypocrisy is despised by everyone. And this is the lesson of consistency
and no double standards. For what we do to the least we do unto God. And
when we help another, it is the fruit of God doing it as it grows within
us.

When the least is being murdered and treated cruelly by some strong man,
what helps them ?
A. standing by, watching, but doing nothing
B. Preaching to the strong man who clearly refuses to listen
C. Praying about it, while doing nothing
D. Overthrowing the strong man by force (which may involve war, and all that
goes with it)
Think about it. Sometimes, there is only one choice.
.
User: "Lee Hirt"

Title: Re: Re: The End of Days Christianity 11 Aug 2006 10:08:11 AM
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:47:33 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:


"Code Programmer" <raymokeeffe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Abraham Simpson" <abesimpson@3web.com> wrote in message
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<snip>

That sounds good to me. However the only war is a spiritual war.
For the Scriptures say that when a nation is right with God it's enemies
are at peace with her.
Modern Christianity as you say, is off base. The day Rome took over, and
Christians started to fight in the physical, is when they had the FRUITS
Of having gone astray.
Love is what it is all about.
And it is also about NOT having an US and THEM mindset.
Hypocrisy is despised by everyone. And this is the lesson of consistency
and no double standards. For what we do to the least we do unto God. And
when we help another, it is the fruit of God doing it as it grows within
us.


When the least is being murdered and treated cruelly by some strong man,
what helps them ?

A. standing by, watching, but doing nothing
B. Preaching to the strong man who clearly refuses to listen
C. Praying about it, while doing nothing
D. Overthrowing the strong man by force (which may involve war, and all that
goes with it)

Think about it. Sometimes, there is only one choice.

You are right. Sometimes we just have to look at what Jesus DID. He
was born into a land under foreign occupation and died in a land under
foreign occupation at the hands of His occupiers.
.
User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic"

Title: Re: Re: The End of Days Christianity 24 Aug 2006 02:44:14 PM
"Lee Hirt" <Please@nospam.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:47:33 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:

"Code Programmer" <raymokeeffe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
When the least is being murdered and treated cruelly by some strong man,
what helps them ?
A. standing by, watching, but doing nothing
B. Preaching to the strong man who clearly refuses to listen
C. Praying about it, while doing nothing
D. Overthrowing the strong man by force (which may involve war, and all
that
goes with it)
Think about it. Sometimes, there is only one choice.


You are right.

Thanks.

Sometimes we just have to look at what Jesus DID. He
was born into a land under foreign occupation and died in a land under
foreign occupation at the hands of His occupiers.

As He said, His Kingdom was not of this Earth ! Thing is, to serve Him, we
must live *here* !
.

User: "Merlin"

Title: Re: The End of Days Christianity 11 Aug 2006 12:43:17 PM
read the title of this thread as the last days of christianity.
when no one follows jesus teachings, when no one wants to follow jesus
teachings while threatening others that they don't do as christians
tell them, this is the last day sof christianity. for unless someone
is willing to believe and act like, there is no religion even.
in love,
merlin
Lee Hirt wrote:

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:47:33 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:


"Code Programmer" <raymokeeffe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<snip>

That sounds good to me. However the only war is a spiritual war.
For the Scriptures say that when a nation is right with God it's enemies
are at peace with her.
Modern Christianity as you say, is off base. The day Rome took over, and
Christians started to fight in the physical, is when they had the FRUITS
Of having gone astray.
Love is what it is all about.
And it is also about NOT having an US and THEM mindset.
Hypocrisy is despised by everyone. And this is the lesson of consistency
and no double standards. For what we do to the least we do unto God. And
when we help another, it is the fruit of God doing it as it grows within
us.


When the least is being murdered and treated cruelly by some strong man,
what helps them ?

A. standing by, watching, but doing nothing
B. Preaching to the strong man who clearly refuses to listen
C. Praying about it, while doing nothing
D. Overthrowing the strong man by force (which may involve war, and all that
goes with it)

Think about it. Sometimes, there is only one choice.


You are right. Sometimes we just have to look at what Jesus DID. He
was born into a land under foreign occupation and died in a land under
foreign occupation at the hands of His occupiers.

.





User: "Opie"

Title: Re: [End-Times] The End of Days Christianity 14 Jul 2006 03:38:57 PM
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:47:12 +1000, "Code
Programmer" <raymokeeffe@hotmail.com> wrote:
This has been on my mind lately.
The major differences we have in our versions of
Christianity.
I say this as someone who has one loyalty, and
that is to God.
I say this in regard to not letting my patriotism
come in the way of my
conscience towards God.
My personal heart felt belief of God's will is non
violence, even
anti-violence.
Obviously, you've never read the bible.
Jesus teachings said to love our enemies. He said
this adding to it, and
therefore be perfect as you heavenly Father is
perfect.
The message of Jesus is forgive, love, do good to
others, treat each other
as you would like to be treated. He also notes the
one law which is the root
of all other laws which effect us in our lives.
What we SOW is what we REAP.
This is important. It is the root of the Sermon on
the mount. It is the root
of the Good Samaritan, and it is the root of every
result of our actions.
God loves all mankind. Even while we were yet
sinners, God shows His love
for us in the death of Jesus for our sins. So that
we can be reunited back
to God the Father Himself through Jesus works.
Jesus has already paid the
price for us all, even those who are yet to
believe it and don't know it
yet.
This consistency of God's love towards us is pure.
What God does not like is
our poor decision making which is called sin. We
are washed clean by God.
Said to Peter, "do not call unholy that which I
have declared holy."
So we find the consistency of God is one of love
for the people and
judgement upon the deeds which are considered as
harmful also called sin.
We find in Jesus active example of showing his
faith by his works because
his love is genuine, his compassion giving, and
his understanding absolute,
that he forgave the adultress and didnt stone her.
In fact used his wisdom
to challenge her accusers to point out that none
of them are without sin
either, in saying he who is without sin cast the
first stone.
We look in other places of the Old Testament and
we have prophets telling us
that God hates it when we point at each others sin
and accuse one another.
The perspective that Paul gives us is that we need
to encourage one another,
to build each other up in love.
Jesus tells of various ways to make ammends with
our brothers.
Jesus goes so far as to say, if you don't forgive
then God cannot forgive
you.
And as you judge, so you will be judged to the
same measure.
This again and sowing and reaping, and which is
illustrated with the slave
forgiven his debts, then throwing a fellow slave
in jail because he could
not pay him what he owed. The result was the
master which originally forgave
him found out and then threw him in prison.
Forgiveness, love, kindness, good will and so on,
are all the fruits of God,
and we are called to do likewise. The principle of
what we do to the least
we do unto God.
Which brings me to the subtle factors of influence
on the Christians over
the years. That they have gone from being fed to
the lion's as entertainment
in the days of the Roman Empire, to becoming
fierce warriors with physical
weapons.
This is far removed from blessed are the peace
makers, for they shall be
called the sons of God.
This is far removed from our battle is not against
flesh and blood but
spiritual strongholds in the heavenly realms, with
our weapons also being
spiritual.
Jesus said if my kingdom were of this world, then
my disciples would be
fighting so that I would not be turned over to the
Jews. He rebuked Peter
for using the sword and he healed the ear he cut
off the High Priest's
slave.
Jesus also said, by their fruits you shall know
them.
While Peter was a bit rash in his ignorance,
likewise many go to war
thinking that it is God's will. The trouble is
this happens on both sides of
the conflict. Rumours spread and propaganda and
all want to defend what is
right and kill what is evil. And both sides think
the other one is the evil
one. It's a recipe founded in hell where chain
reactions escalate into wars
over many generations. Even now the crusades of
the 11th Century are
remembered by the Moslems in the middle-east as a
Holy War against evil
Christian's invading their lands.
So now one can ask about the End time Chrisitanity
and the anti-christ.
How will we know the anti-christ?
Perhaps the antichrist will be a Modern Christian
with the Patriotic factor
influencing him, as well as the battle of good and
evil and the need to
remove the earth of evil doers by force. Even
using the words Crusade in
regard to wars.
Again the principles of love, are to remove the
worries of your enemy, by
showing him you are not out to get him. This is
done by turning the other
cheek when insulted and accused of being evil for
example. And to say, sorry
you have that wrong, and explain yourself. It is
about going the extra mile
again, so that we win them over with our patience
at guiding them to see the
truths we are trying to share with them. If truly
we have the spirit of God,
then we prove our faith by our works.
So may it well be that the antichrist will not
stand out from the crowd,
because the crowd will also think the same way.
And such a thing would
likely be apostasy, but not recognised as it. Even
though their hearts are
predominantly with good conscience, they can be
caught up in the
distractions of the worries and cares of the
world.
We are especially warned, so long as we live by
the sword we will die by the
sword.
Again sowing and reaping is the KEY to our
experience of heaven or hell on
earth.
So long as we sow kindness and love, we will be
winning over the hearts and
minds.
Note in the days of the kingdom of heaven it says,
in those days, no one
will say know the Lord, for everyone will know
Him, from the least to the
greatest in all the earth.
Such is won over by the spirit of love and
kindness. Hospitality is also a
Moslem teaching.
One other factor which is killing many is the one
of provoking another with
insults. In regard to war.
Insulting another instead of winning them over
with kindness, will provoke
them by their customs to avenge the insulter. To
go into another country and
push everyone's emotional buttons of enrage,
including playing loud music
outside their church/mosque while they are trying
to worship, is going to
cause more trouble. To manipulate those things is
outright evil, even
premeditated murder, or just completely arrogantly
ignorant.
The prophecy says when the power of the holy
people is crushed the end will
come. One might wonder of a country like Iraq
where every second street is
called the Holy this and the holy that. These are
the places in the old
place of Babylon where the prophet Daniel was a
ruler of a third of the
kingdom.
Fire Smoke and Brimstone are the 3 factors present
with the burning of
gunpowder, brimstone being the smell of sulphur.
It is also present with
bombs, tank shells, and even suicide bombers.
These are the 3 plagues of 6th
Trumpet which kill a third part of men. In January
2006, 34 Iraqi people had
been killed on average since the start of the war.
As a percentage, 34% is a
third part of 100%.
So we have to ask ourselves. Have we been caught
up in something which has
gradually got us off base from where Jesus wants
us to grow to? For we
should not be thinking violence. We should be
thinking of ways of peace.
That is a mindset which thinks of peaceful
solutions.
The natural easy solution is to hit something with
violence and force. Such
might be considered the animal nature or the beast
nature. The way of Darwin
is the biggest beast always wins.
The way of Jesus is, love your enemies, bless
those which curse you.
It's about breaking the cycle of revenge with
understanding and forgiveness,
and to take responsibility for sowing and reaping.
If we dont have this
understanding, what are we being taught?
The Old Testament was back then. Jesus never said
hit anyone yet alone kill
or invade.
He corrected hate your enemies to love your
enemies.
He acted in love saying this is the Father in me
doing these things.
Jesus said, "By their fruits you shall know them."
These are the things we must learn to do, to
overcome the instincts of
violence and revenge which are antichrist.
The other thing is punishment.
Punishment was ment to deter. Not for those who
see others being punished to
get a thrill. Such a thrill is sick and evil. It
is written not to delight
in the enemy suffering.
The law is useless without the spirit of the Law.
Without the spirit, the
law is death, with the spirit, the law guides us
to give us the ways of
life. Forgiveness allows us to learn from our
mistakes so we learn to Sow
different next time.
Love. Sow and Reap.
If we sow war, is there any wonder we have it?
If we sow hatred is there any wonder we have it
back at us?
We are not meant to hate. Hatred will eat you.
We are meant to love.
Instead of hate we need to not feel that emotion
but rather simple rejection
without revile.
The extreme difference should be love on one hand,
and no emotion on the
other. Hatred is the way to self destruction
taking everything around you
with it.
For hatred causes the body to rott for it is
negative destructive energy.
Healing from cancers requires forgiveness. And it
can be realized those
people who were not forgiven but hated, in fact
were the reasons for the
cancers. (Dr Paul Yongi Cho Korea's biggest church
in the 80s)
There are many things which have been handed down
to us as teachings and
ways, which in fact get in the way of the
simplicity of love. To consider
the side effects and direct effects of our
decisions, for every decision is
sowing either for the kingdom or against the
kingdom of heaven.
Let us encourage one another in love.
Let us learn to really love one another and not
just do it becsause we are
supposed to.
This is the internal struggle, the battle of the
flesh, the real Jihad is
spiritual. For surely the kingdom of heaven is
within us. Let us sow for
eternity wisely.
Most times the struggle is for lack of
understanding. For when you
understand how to overcome, its never a choice,
its the obvious choice wiht
many benefits.
If we spent as much time working on solutions
instead of making judgements,
we would be sowing major solutions to make being
godly much easier and more
natural for us as we become more like Jesus in our
thinking, as well as our
ways.
Love PEace Joy
Ray
--
PEace
Ray M O'Keeffe
An open mind has eyes to see and ears to hear.
If you don't get to the end because you dont like
the message, then dont be
surprised when it all goes south and you didnt see
it coming.
Boy, can you ramble. Feel better now that you've
gotten off your pulpit?
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