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Former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says Iran's
president
is a madman "latter day Hitler" bent on the nuclear destruction
of the
United States, Israel and Europe.

If he gets through another 'election' President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
has
maybe two options with his nuclear armenants ambitions, he either
hits a
glass ceiling or ends up walking on a glass floor.

Until ANYONE in the world can do more than just offer 'supposition'
(in
other words, actually *proove*) that Iran is doing anything more
than
attempting to provide nuclear energy for it's populace, then
hollering
"armaments" is little more than just another lump on an already huge
pile of US ***** propaganda that people are buying into.

Look... if Iran wants Nukes, it doesn't have to start from scratch
and build
them one at a time - why doesn't anyone seem to realize this little
piece
of trivia while they're making their false claims to support another
US
invasion?

Who in their right mind would want to support another invasion,

They're called 'neo-cons' and they bank on the death and conquering of
other humans and their resources as described in the PNAC. They are
comprised of the richest military arms manufacturers and oil company
billionaires (also known as the MIC) who seriously believe in Global
domination of land and natural resources through acts of aggression.
Unfortunately, they are accompanied by a large number of republicans
who simply do not understand what the real goals are.

Iraq was bad enough.

Afghanistan was even worse... why do you think it's not talked about?

The whole area should probably be quarantined culturally until they
manage to bring there societies up to 19th century standards at least
in
humanitarian standards.

Ever look under an overpass in a large American city... or have a
gander
around the so-called 'homeless' shelters and food kitchens of the US?

We don't have a lot of room to chatter about "humanitarian
standards"...
especuially since the government suspended Habeus Corpus and
invoked the "USA Patriot Act" which shoots large holes in the
Constitution
and blows the hell out of the Bill Of Rights.

Do you stone people to death or chop body parts off them on a regular
basis
in the US?

Not that I know of... but we should never have given up public hanging.
;-)

Even the pro Islamic BBC yesterday showed images of a women being
dragged screaming hysterically into a car by the 'fashion police' in
Iran.

Is there an archive of this? Actually, it sounds a helluva lot like some
scene
from a bad movie. What do you suppose goes on around the college and
university campuses of Iran? "Fashion police" makes me believe that you
have your own share of 'propaganda' issues to deal with regarding the BBC.
I think I've recently observed the same crappola being broadcast over
here.

Will she get a fine or end up getting flogged in front of a large crowd
for
showing a bit to much hair in public?

That's a good question... does anyone *really* know ???

Someone would have to prove this actually happened, and what the *real*
reason was for the appropriately staged for camera, 'kidnap scene'. For
one, I don't buy a great deal of what's spewed by the mainstream media,
especially if theres much translation (interpretation) involved, and oddly
timed 'capturing' of perfect illustrations of what one group would like
you
to think about another.

Iran is one of the ricchest nations in the world... you just aren't
allowed
to see that on TV thanks to the US Propaganda machine and a complicit
mainstream media.

I am British and use the Internet for information rather than television,
that way you get to hear what everyone is saying from President Mahmoud
Ahmadinejads own website (still under construction unbelievably) to Al
Jazeera, Reuters and beyond.

Thank you for your efforts to overcome the psy-ops machinery. Having the
information necessary to make informed decisions about government and
international policy is very important these days due to the corruption.
I too
get most of my news from foreign sources.

Sorry if I dropped in being a bit terse, but I've been dealing with
brain-dead
idiots like 'Red' who drop in and toss insults void of facts, and expect
their
predjudiced, bovine scathology to be taken as discussion.

Give them aid, access to modern technology that can't be used for harm
but let the developed world get on with its own business

You are apparently completely swallowed up by the propaganda that you
are spoon-fed in the USA. Otherwise, you would be well aware that
thank
to the current administration, the US is rapidly sinking into the
status
of a 3rd world nation.

Living where I do near to a large xenophopic muslim community, as a
kaffur
there is perhaps little need for American propganda to generate a sense
of
unease.

Understood... although it's not as publicly prominent in the US that I can
tell,
we have our share of foreign and alternative religious influences at
work....
not to mention the fundamentalist fanatics of the traditional religions
that
support war and such.

The radical muslim speakers that are crawling out of the woodwork
with increasing frequency are already doing a good job of that.
Finding out that Shia law is already being practiced in this country on a
large scale is enough to start asking is it time to remind these folk
that
Britian is a hard earned democracy and we would like it to stay that way.

Tolerance... the most difficult part of a democracy.

and leave them
achieve whatever goals Islamics strive for.

Yup... you are definitely a victim, Lee. This is NOT about religion,
no
matter *what* Fox News tells you. There are more people in the US
who are interested in "Islam" than there are people in Iran.... and
roughly 20% of Iran is Christian... so you are VERY confused, my man.

Islam to many countries in the world is not religion, that is so true, it
is
the reason why they are at war. At the other end of the scale to moderate
Islamic community leaders it is a religion. Sorting out who is who is the
difficult part. In the case of Britain 'Soft Jihaad' may be an
appropriate
term.

Sorry to hear that. I hope there's an easy solution forthcoming.

If Iran wants nukes, they can buy them with the cash they recieve from
America via the foreign companies who purchase Iranian oil, refine it,
and then sell it back to the US military. In other words, the price of
a
few nuclear warheads is chump-change to a nation like Iran.... but
building an infrastructure for distributing power that is generated by
nuclear plants is costly, time consuming, and laborious.

In conventional warfare emphasise was put on conventional warheads but in
asymetrical warfare an oildrum full of radioactive waste can do a very
great
deal of damage on a lot of levels in a crowded city.

That can't be argued, as most Americans are expecting this any day now.
The problem here is, we're not certain whether or not it would be our own
government doing the polluting in order to further a 'cause'.

At least Iran *has* signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty...
unlike
Pakistan, India, and several other so-called "allies" who didn't become
allies until they suddenly had 'the bomb'.

Look at the big picture.... not the little TV screen.

Amongst other things President Mahmoud Ahmadinejads denies the holocaust,

So what? That's old history and it is indeed, faaar too overblown...
especially
here in the US. I look at it like this...

No one denies that there was a cleansing event during WW-II that has been
given the title of "holocaust". It was a horrible event. Unfortunately,
it has
become overplayed, overused, and is now used as blackmail tool to threaten
all of those who desire to discuss potential wrongdoings of a region that
was
forced into existance *against the wills* of those who previously occupied
the
land.

60 Million people died in WW-II

58 Million of them were civilians

Only 6 Million of them (allegedly and unproven) were Jews.

Where's the big grieving for the remaining 51,000,000 dead civilians.

Where are the dozens of 'holocaust' museums, the special interest and
lobbying groups, and film after film, book after book, about the
slaughtered
Japanese or Russian civilians?

It was a horrible thing... but it's H I S T O R Y. Unfortunately, now
the
dragon's tail is swinging the other direction, as America's coddling and
tolerance of Israel's actions in the middle east is setting the entire lot
of
the remainder of the region against us for our incessant meddling and
thievery over the past 60+ years. (I don't know how you view it on your
side of the pond, but that's pretty much the way it is here. Zionists and
Jews run the majority of all of the media and major business in the US).

Out of WW-II came their own country, forced into an area that did NOT
accept it's creation, but it was *mandated* by the United Nations in 1948
against the will of the indigenous peoples of the region. Since then,
with
US and British help, Zionists have been importing jews from all around
the world and have created a population that has essentially run out of
fertile areas in which to grow, so they are *taking* (annexing) more and
more land against the will of the UN and in violation of hundreds of UN
resolutions, and great oppression & loss to the previously displaced
peoples.

It's time to drop the "anti-semitic" propaganda and "holocaust victim"
charade and see the truth for what it is. The creation of the state of
Israel
is THE reason that there is still terrorism in the middle east.

I dunno.... the jury is out on whether or not I'll listen to another word
of this
never-ending whining about "anti-semitism" and "Jew Hatred", of which 90%
of the rest of the earth's population seems to think is overblown,
exaggerated,
and ultimately abusive to others.

Ahmadenijad may not be all that far out in left field. I don't think he
denies
the event... he denies what it has become - as does most of the world.

people that disagree with him tend to lose there jobs or sometimes
disappear, or at least that's what some Iranian people claim.

Hmmm... I call 'hear-say' and await proof.

All politicians use deceit at some level,

Believe me, that has become quite obvious in the US over the past 6 years.

...he is one that is just very
transparent when he does it which probably goes some way to explain the
heavy internal censorship that Iran is known for. At least I can choose
which little screen(s) to watch.

;-) Indeed. Please comtinue to do so... as do most students across the
middle east. It is not the backward bastian of dark ages that our
governments
and media would have us believe in order to further their causes for
global
domination of resources. If it were, why would our major corporations be
moving their offices to Dubai... a place that most believe will be the
seat of
the "New World Order" ?

These are tough times, and rationalization of various information is a
muct
in order to continue to survive.


I suppose you've seen this BBC documentary, then?

THE POWER OF NIGHTMARES
Part One - 59 Minutes
<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8217638438978899371>
Part Two - 59 Minutes
<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2839463332690200955>
Part Three - 59 Minutes
<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3649090417189127240>

or http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares


This kind of wakes us up to (or reinforces those who already knew) what
our countries have done to control and slaughter in the middle eastern
region for the past 60 years or so.


Cheers...

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Former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says Iran's pr=

is a madman "latter day Hitler" bent on the nuclear destruction=

United States, Israel and Europe.

If he gets through another 'election' President Mahmoud Ahmadinej=

maybe two options with his nuclear armenants ambitions, he either=

glass ceiling or ends up walking on a glass floor.

Until ANYONE in the world can do more than just offer 'supposition=

other words, actually *proove*) that Iran is doing anything more t=

attempting to provide nuclear energy for it's populace, then holle=

"armaments" is little more than just another lump on an already hu=

pile of US ***** propaganda that people are buying into.

Look... if Iran wants Nukes, it doesn't have to start from scratch=

them one at a time - why doesn't anyone seem to realize this littl=

of trivia while they're making their false claims to support anoth=

invasion?

Who in their right mind would want to support another invasion,

They're called 'neo-cons' and they bank on the death and conquering of
other humans and their resources as described in the PNAC. =A0They are
comprised of the richest military arms manufacturers and oil company
billionaires (also known as the MIC) who seriously believe in Global
domination of land and natural resources through acts of aggression.
Unfortunately, they are accompanied by a large number of republicans
who simply do not understand what the real goals are.

Iraq was bad enough.

Afghanistan was even worse... why do you think it's not talked about?

The whole area should probably be quarantined culturally until they
manage to bring there societies up to 19th century standards at leas=

humanitarian standards.

Ever look under an overpass in a large American city... or have a gan=

around the so-called 'homeless' shelters and food kitchens of the US?
We don't have a lot of room to chatter about "humanitarian standards"=

especuially since the government suspended Habeus Corpus and
invoked the "USA Patriot Act" which shoots large holes in the Constit=

and blows the hell out of the Bill Of Rights.

Do you stone people to death or chop body parts off them on a regular b=

in the US?

Not that I know of... but we should never have given up public hanging. =

Even the pro Islamic BBC yesterday showed images of a women being
dragged screaming hysterically into a car by the 'fashion police' in Ir=

Is there an archive of this? =A0Actually, it sounds a helluva lot like so=

from a bad movie. =A0What do you suppose goes on around the college and
university campuses of Iran? =A0"Fashion police" makes me believe that you
have your own share of 'propaganda' issues to deal with regarding the BBC.
I think I've recently observed the same crappola being broadcast over her=

Will she get a fine or end up getting flogged in front of a large crowd=

showing a bit to much hair in public?

That's a good question... does anyone *really* know ???

Someone would have to prove this actually happened, and what the *real*
reason was for the appropriately staged for camera, 'kidnap scene'. =A0For
one, I don't buy a great deal of what's spewed by the mainstream media,
especially if theres much translation (interpretation) involved, and oddly
timed 'capturing' of perfect illustrations of what one group would like y=

to think about another.

Iran is one of the ricchest nations in the world... you just aren't a=

to see that on TV thanks to the US Propaganda machine and a complicit
mainstream media.

I am British and use the Internet for information rather than televisio=

that way you get to hear what everyone is saying from President Mahmoud
Ahmadinejads own website (still under construction unbelievably) to Al
Jazeera, Reuters and beyond.

Thank you for your efforts to overcome the psy-ops machinery. =A0Having t=

information necessary to make informed decisions about government and
international policy is very important these days due to the corruption. =

get most of my news from foreign sources.

Sorry if I dropped in being a bit terse, but I've been dealing with brain=

idiots like 'Red' who drop in and toss insults void of facts, and expect =

predjudiced, bovine scathology to be taken as discussion.

Give them aid, access to modern technology that can't be used for ha=

=A0but let the developed world get on with its own business

You are apparently completely swallowed up by the propaganda that you
are spoon-fed in the USA. =A0Otherwise, you would be well aware that =

to the current administration, the US is rapidly sinking into the sta=

of a 3rd world nation.

Living where I do near to a large xenophopic muslim community, as a kaf=

there is perhaps little need for American propganda to generate a sense=

unease.

Understood... although it's not as publicly prominent in the US that I ca=

we have our share of foreign and alternative religious influences at work=

not to mention the fundamentalist fanatics of the traditional religions t=

support war and such.

The radical muslim speakers that are crawling out of the woodwork
with increasing frequency are already doing a good job of that.
Finding out that Shia law is already being practiced in this country on=

large scale is enough to start asking is it time to remind these folk t=

Britian is a hard earned democracy and we would like it to stay that wa=

Tolerance... =A0the most difficult part of a democracy.

and leave them
achieve whatever goals Islamics strive for.

Yup... you are definitely a victim, Lee. =A0This is NOT about religio=

matter *what* Fox News tells you. =A0There are more people in the US
who are interested in "Islam" than there are people in Iran.... and
roughly 20% of Iran is Christian... so you are VERY confused, my man.

Islam to many countries in the world is not religion, that is so true, =

the reason why they are at war. At the other end of the scale to modera=

Islamic community leaders it is a religion. Sorting out who is who is t=

difficult part. In the case of Britain 'Soft Jihaad' may be an appropri=

term.

Sorry to hear that. I hope there's an easy solution forthcoming.

If Iran wants nukes, they can buy them with the cash they recieve from
America via the foreign companies who purchase Iranian oil, refine it,
and then sell it back to the US military. =A0In other words, the pric=

few nuclear warheads is chump-change to a nation like Iran.... but
building an infrastructure for distributing power that is generated by
nuclear plants is costly, time consuming, and laborious.

In conventional warfare emphasise was put on conventional warheads but =

asymetrical warfare an oildrum full of radioactive waste can do a very =

deal of damage on a lot of levels in a crowded city.

That can't be argued, as most Americans are expecting this any day now.
The problem here is, we're not certain whether or not it would be our own
government doing the polluting in order to further a 'cause'.

At least Iran *has* signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty... un=

Pakistan, India, and several other so-called "allies" who didn't beco=

allies until they suddenly had 'the bomb'.

Look at the big picture.... not the little TV screen.

Amongst other things President Mahmoud Ahmadinejads denies the holocaus=

So what? =A0 That's old history and it is indeed, faaar too overblown... =

here in the US. =A0 I look at it like this...

No one denies that there was a cleansing event during WW-II that has been
given the title of "holocaust". =A0It was a horrible event. =A0 Unfortuna=

become overplayed, overused, and is now used as blackmail tool to threaten
all of those who desire to discuss potential wrongdoings of a region that=

forced into existance *against the wills* of those who previously occupie=

land.

60 Million people died in WW-II

58 Million of them were civilians

Only 6 Million of them (allegedly and unproven) were Jews.

Where's the big grieving for the remaining =A051,000,000 =A0dead civilian=

Where are the dozens of 'holocaust' museums, the special interest and
lobbying groups, and film after film, book after book, about the slaughte=

Japanese or Russian civilians?

It was a horrible thing... but it's =A0H I S T O R Y. =A0Unfortunately, n=

dragon's tail is swinging the other direction, as America's coddling and
tolerance of Israel's actions in the middle east is setting the entire lo=

the remainder of the region against us for our incessant meddling and
thievery over the past 60+ years. =A0(I don't know how you view it on your
side of the pond, but that's pretty much the way it is here. =A0Zionists =

Jews run the majority of all of the media and major business in the US).

Out of WW-II came their own country, forced into an area that did NOT
accept it's creation, but it was *mandated* by the United Nations in 1948
against the will of the indigenous peoples of the region. =A0Since then, =

US and British ...

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So you're a muslim sympathizer. =A0DO you know what your butt buddies do
to raging homosexuals like yourself in Islamic countries? They cut off
your penis. =A0Be careful who you sidle up to.

Damn... =A0*another* group to drop your braindead, homophobic ***** fr=

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"David Morgan (MAMS)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message:

Duh....

You are correct! You are most definitely blind!

Nothing to say regarding my pojnts and references?

I figured as much.

This is not about land or oil or nukes.

You said it was about land and nukes.... I said it was about oil.
Changing your mind now that you're certifiably proven wrong?

It's about Isaac and Ishmael, Jacob and Esau, Jehovah and
Allah, Jesus and Mahdi,

You're nuts. =A0This is about humanity and peaceful coexistance.

and don't forget the 72 heavenly virgins for blowing
their Jihadist ***** up!

Oh wow.... are you sure that you're American? =A0I can that see that
you're a brainwashed religious nutcase, but I'm just curious as to
where you grew up to be so ignorant of world politics and to be such
a predjudiced, intolerant, voluntarily ignorant *****.

have a nice day...