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ESCHATOLOGY: DOCTRINE OF LAST THINGS |
ESCHATOLOGY: DOCTRINE OF LAST THINGS
The relatively recent study of last things has frequently divided believers over the years.
Differing systems of interpretations (such as premillennialism, postmillennialism, and amillennialism)
have affected other areas of theology in addition to eschatology. There are, however, many areas
of commonality among believers in the study of last things. Christians have been in agreement over
the explanation of death, the believer's immediate presence with the Lord, the hope of Christ's return,
the resurrection, judgment, and the eternal state.
FACTORS IN ESCHATOLOGY
In conservative theology there are three major views concerning last things: amillennialism,
postmillennialism, and premillennialism. The word millennium comes from the Latin mille,
meaning "thousand," and relates to the statement in Revelation 20:4, "They came to life
and reigned with Christ for a thousand years." Should this statement be understood literally
or symbolically? The answer determines in part one's doctrine of last things.
For a summary chart look here: http://bibleweb.info/views-concerning-last-things.doc
For a more detailed review,
look here: http://bibleweb.info/ - Guest Area under
ESCHATOLOGY - The Doctrine of Last Things.
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: ESCHATOLOGY: DOCTRINE OF LAST THINGS |
12 Jun 2006 07:10:00 PM |
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"Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@as-if.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
There are, however, many areas
of commonality among believers in the study of last things.
Of course--that's why the bulk of Christians believe the rapture myth is a
lot of hooey, and rightly so.
[snip]
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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| User: "Melchizedek" |
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| Title: Re: ESCHATOLOGY: DOCTRINE OF LAST THINGS |
12 Jun 2006 08:00:11 PM |
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"Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@as-if.com> wrote in message
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There are, however, many areas
of commonality among believers in the study of last things.
Of course-- ;-)
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: ESCHATOLOGY: DOCTRINE OF LAST THINGS |
13 Jun 2006 06:05:36 AM |
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"Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@as-if.com> wrote in message
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"Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@as-if.com> wrote in message
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There are, however, many areas
of commonality among believers in the study of last things.
Of course-- ;-)
A Workman Approved By God - Hermeneutical Study/Bible Doctrine Series
How can I determine whether someone is correctly interpreting God's
Word?
In a day and age when there are over 1000 Christian Denominations, and
literally
thousands of cults,
....yours included...
(and everybody seems to have a different interpretation of scripture),
that's not an insignificant question. So how do you know?
No.
In a word, the tripod--historical, analytical, and prophetic consistency.
The analysis of prophecy has to make complete sense of the history and
traditions (or common customs) surrounding the prophecy.
The analysis of prophecy has to make complete sense of the devices of the
prophecy.
The analysis of the prophecy has make complete sense of the message of the
prophecy.
That's hermeneutics, semantics, and exegesis.
And your interpretations crumble along all three lines.
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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| User: "Melchizedek" |
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| Title: Re: ESCHATOLOGY: DOCTRINE OF LAST THINGS |
12 Jun 2006 08:37:02 PM |
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"Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@as-if.com> wrote in message news:K9jjg.10645$ED2.3244@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
ESCHATOLOGY: DOCTRINE OF LAST THINGS
The relatively recent study of last things has frequently divided believers over the years.
Differing systems of interpretations (such as premillennialism, postmillennialism, and amillennialism)
have affected other areas of theology in addition to eschatology. There are, however, many areas
of commonality among believers in the study of last things. Christians have been in agreement over
the explanation of death, the believer's immediate presence with the Lord, the hope of Christ's return,
the resurrection, judgment, and the eternal state.
FACTORS IN ESCHATOLOGY
In conservative theology there are three major views concerning last things: amillennialism,
postmillennialism, and premillennialism. The word millennium comes from the Latin mille,
meaning "thousand," and relates to the statement in Revelation 20:4, "They came to life
and reigned with Christ for a thousand years." Should this statement be understood literally
or symbolically? The answer determines in part one's doctrine of last things.
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For a summary chart look here: http://bibleweb.info/views-concerning-last-things.doc
This is a MicroSoft Word document.
and now in html here: http://bibleweb.info/views-concerning-last-things.html
For a more detailed review, (25 pages)
look here: http://bibleweb.info/ - Guest Area under
ESCHATOLOGY - The Doctrine of Last Things. (This is a .PDF file)
You will need Adobe Reader for this
Here is a (.html) file for the larger (25 page) summary:
http://bibleweb.info/public-eschatology-summary.html
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: ESCHATOLOGY: DOCTRINE OF LAST THINGS |
13 Jun 2006 06:43:35 AM |
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:22:16 -0400, "Melchizedek"
<Melchizedek@as-if.com> spake thusly:
ESCHATOLOGY: DOCTRINE OF LAST THINGS
The relatively recent study of last things has frequently divided believers over the years.
Differing systems of interpretations (such as premillennialism, postmillennialism, and amillennialism)
have affected other areas of theology in addition to eschatology. There are, however, many areas
of commonality among believers in the study of last things. Christians have been in agreement over
the explanation of death, the believer's immediate presence with the Lord, the hope of Christ's return,
the resurrection, judgment, and the eternal state.
FACTORS IN ESCHATOLOGY
In conservative theology there are three major views concerning last things: amillennialism,
postmillennialism, and premillennialism. The word millennium comes from the Latin mille,
meaning "thousand," and relates to the statement in Revelation 20:4, "They came to life
and reigned with Christ for a thousand years." Should this statement be understood literally
or symbolically? The answer determines in part one's doctrine of last things.
Or, there is the truth. :)
It doesn't say that Christ will reign for a thousand
years. Nor does it even say it's on Earth.
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them: and I saw
THE SOULS of them that were beheaded for
the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,
and which had not worshiped the beast, neither
his image, neither had received his mark upon
their foreheads, or in their hands; and they
lived and reigned WITH Christ a thousand years."
- Revelation 20:4
1) John is seeing this in Heaven, not on Earth.
a) They had been BEHEADED. They have
been martyred and are in Heaven. See
"b" below.
b) He saw THE SOULS of them, not physical
human bodies.
2) Christ in already on His throne.
a) It talks about how long THEY reigned WITH
Christ and not how long Christ Himself reigned.
b) Christ's reign is forever (Luke 1:31-33).
c) Daniel 7:13-14 teaches us that Christ came
"TO" the Ancient of Days and sat on His
throne. Thus, Christ is not waiting to be
enthroned. He took His throne immediately
upon His ascension.
d) The Bible does not indicate anywhere that
Christ would play musical thrones.
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"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
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| User: "Pulpitfire" |
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13 Jun 2006 07:12:17 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:22:16 -0400, "Melchizedek"
<Melchizedek@as-if.com> spake thusly:
ESCHATOLOGY: DOCTRINE OF LAST THINGS
The relatively recent study of last things has frequently divided believers over the years.
Differing systems of interpretations (such as premillennialism, postmillennialism, and amillennialism)
have affected other areas of theology in addition to eschatology. There are, however, many areas
of commonality among believers in the study of last things. Christians have been in agreement over
the explanation of death, the believer's immediate presence with the Lord, the hope of Christ's return,
the resurrection, judgment, and the eternal state.
FACTORS IN ESCHATOLOGY
In conservative theology there are three major views concerning last things: amillennialism,
postmillennialism, and premillennialism. The word millennium comes from the Latin mille,
meaning "thousand," and relates to the statement in Revelation 20:4, "They came to life
and reigned with Christ for a thousand years." Should this statement be understood literally
or symbolically? The answer determines in part one's doctrine of last things.
Or, there is the truth. :)
It doesn't say that Christ will reign for a thousand
years. Nor does it even say it's on Earth.
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them: and I saw
THE SOULS of them that were beheaded for
the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,
and which had not worshiped the beast, neither
his image, neither had received his mark upon
their foreheads, or in their hands; and they
lived and reigned WITH Christ a thousand years."
- Revelation 20:4
1) John is seeing this in Heaven, not on Earth.
It says these people were part of the first "resurrection", and that
they "lived" and "reigned with Christ a thousand years. Dead bodies are
not stored in or raised from heaven, but earth, where the seed was sown
(1 Cor. 15). But your heretical brand of preterism denies the
resurrection and second coming of Christ, so you have to continuously
look right at the Bible, and then deny or twist what it says, in order
to maintain your position.
a) They had been BEHEADED. They have
been martyred and are in Heaven. See
"b" below.
b) He saw THE SOULS of them, not physical
human bodies.
It is as if you are deliberately trying to conclude anything other than
what the passage says.
c) They "lived", and were part of the first "resurrection". Dead bodies
are not stored in heaven, but on earth (1 Cor. 15). When you are raised
from the dead, you are raised with a glorified body, from earth, where
the seed was sown. These people who were beheaded, were raised from the
dead, and live again.
2) Christ in already on His throne.
a) It talks about how long THEY reigned WITH
Christ and not how long Christ Himself reigned.
b) Christ's reign is forever (Luke 1:31-33).
The idea Christ couldn't reign from earth for a thousand years, because
He's always reigned, and this limits his reign, is about as foolish as
saying He couldn't have come to earth in the first place, else that
would mean He has not always been everywhere present.
The idea Christ couldn't reign from earth for a thousand years, because
He's always reigned, and this limits his reign, is about as foolish as
the idea He couldn't have begun to reign in someone's heart, because
that would mean He wasn't always Master of the Universe, or that He was
changing His thrones.
The idea Christ couldn't reign from earth for a thousand years, because
He's always reigned, and this limits his reign, is about as foolish as
the thought that if someone sins, it boots Christ off the throne of His
reign, since they are not yielding to Him.
c) Daniel 7:13-14 teaches us that Christ came
"TO" the Ancient of Days and sat on His
throne. Thus, Christ is not waiting to be
enthroned. He took His throne immediately
upon His ascension.
And again, you ignore Scripture:
Hebrews 10
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever,
sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
1) Christ sits down on the right hand of God
2) Christ waits until his enemies be made his footstool
3) Christ returns to rule the nations with a rod of iron (Rev. 19).
d) The Bible does not indicate anywhere that
Christ would play musical thrones.
ibid. see above.
The idea Christ couldn't reign from earth for a thousand years, because
He's always reigned, and this limits his reign, is about as foolish as
saying He couldn't have come to earth in the first place, else that
would mean He has not always been everywhere present.
The idea Christ couldn't reign from earth for a thousand years, because
He's always reigned, and this limits his reign, is about as foolish as
the idea He couldn't have begun to reign in someone's heart, because
that would mean He wasn't always Master of the Universe, or that He was
changing His thrones.
The idea Christ couldn't reign from earth for a thousand years, because
He's always reigned, and this limits his reign, is about as foolish as
the thought that if someone sins, then that boots Christ off the throne
of His reign, since they are not yielding to Him.
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There is a rapture (1Thess. 4:15-17). Harpazo means
caught up. You may not agree when it occurs, or that it is
a vehicle of escape for the church, but you either have to
admit it or deny the plain teaching of the Bible.
www.pulpitfire.org
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| User: "dragomir kollaric" |
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| Title: Re: ESCHATOLOGY: DOCTRINE OF LAST THINGS |
13 Jun 2006 03:34:35 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:12:17 -0500, Pulpitfire in
<128tasjb0n7pm7c@news.supernews.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
The idea Christ couldn't reign from earth for a thousand years, because
He's always reigned, and this limits his reign, is about as foolish as
the thought that if someone sins, then that boots Christ off the throne
of His reign, since they are not yielding to Him.
Now lets say Jesus really raised from the death in a physical body, why
did he leave this earth? Of course John says in his Gospel that he needs
to prepare a place, but why didn't he do so *BEFORE* he came, after all
being God, he must have known that there would be a need for this "place".
It's like a architect planning a house and then not building it on time
for the people to move in.
And then there is another point, if Jesus raised from the death in a
"Physical" body why did he not stay around much longer and show his
"resurrection" to these who let him be killed? If the same Jesus who was
hung on a cross a short while ago, would roam the temple-precincts again,
continue the teaching, how many people would come to the new faith and
accept him as Messiah, in a way, he could be the "supernatural" coming of
the Messiah, some of the Jews expected at the time.
A Messiah who would stay on this earth, would mean that not many of
his faithful had to die some of the most horrible deaths. Did God want
the human suffering to continue, all under the guise of "love"?
Dragomir Kollaric
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LAWYER: Before you signed the death certificate, had you taken the pulse?
PATHOLOGIST: No.
LAWYER: Did you check for breathing?
PATHOLOGIST: No
LAWYER: So, when you signed the death certificate you weren't sure that he
was dead, were you?
PATHOLOGIST: Well, let me put it this way. The man's brain was sitting in a
jar on my desk. But I guess it is possible he could be out
there practising law somewhere.
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