On 31 Oct, 16:39, "Wild Bill" <bilsg...@qwest.net> wrote:

You are aware that in many scholastic circles,Eusebiusis regarded as a
liar and forger. Might say that he was among the first of the "liars for
Jesus."

Which scholastics precisely mention Eusebius? Duns Scotus? <smile>

I presume that you mean 'scholarly', and suppose that web hearsay is
based on scholarship. But this is not in fact so, and the slur above
is just that -- a slur.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

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On Oct 29, 7:53 am, "Wild Bill" <bilsg...@qwest.net> wrote:

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John 6:35 - Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. Whoever
comes
to me will never be hungry, and whoever believes in me will never
be
thirsty." (NRSV)

Note 1: Jesus said those that come (start) "will NEVER be
hungry"
and
whoever believes (at any time) will "NEVER" be thirsty. Thus,
they
cannot, at any time, lose their salvation and be in lack.

Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com

I notice that most of this eternal life ***** of yours is coming
out
of
the book of John. Is it because John is so different than the
synoptic
gospels in that it tends to deify Jesus? Of course, as a Christian
Super
Hero you've simply got to demonstrate that Jesus is God, don'tcha?
And, you know of course that John was written way late in the
program,
after
enough time had elapsed for the myth-makers and the legend story
tellers
to
polish their God-man fable. It wasn't written by the Apostle John
either...but you knew that, didn't you Kenny?

Shalom,
Bill

You MUST be right. You were there to know, right? You have old
church resources that show doubt about the authority of the Gospel
of
John, right? You have words of Papias (a disciple of John) that
disproves me, right? No?

Right...http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/john.html

Shalom,
Bill

Early Church Father that considered John to be authoritative: Tatian,
Claudius Apollinaris, Athenagoras, Irenaeus, Polycarp (a disciple of
John), Theophilus of Antioch, and...yes...Papias ALL considered the
Gospel to be authoritative. In fact, the person we get many of the
early Papias quotes from is Eusebius. And, eusebius, himself,
believed John wrote the gospel (from his sources), as did Irenaeus and
the early church councils forming the cannon. Do you know more than
they? Do you have sources or documents that they didn't that cast
some doubt?

You are aware that in many scholastic circles, Eusebius is regarded as a
liar and forger. Might say that he was among the first of the "liars for
Jesus."

Most of the earliest Gospel papyri fragments were from John, see...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Testament_papyri

Yep, those earliest papryi fragments are dated around 125 A.D. Still
doesn't
provide any evidence that John wrote it. I'd be willing to bet that John
was
written by unknown authors of the 2nd. century Johanine community. They
developed their own ideas independently, which is why John differs from
the
synoptics. Sorry to disappoint you Kenny, but the fact remains that most
scholars date the gospel of John in the 90's - far too late for your
apostle
to have written it.

Actually, John was still alive at that time, even if that was the
date, and most scholars agree on that...however, you would know that
having read up on it and all. Certainly, you also know that Eusebius
is one of the most quoted scholars for his day by the liberal groups
and fundamentalist groups, alike. In fact, I have yet to find ONE
scholar who called him a liar. Provide the name of such scholar
here...


That being said, you still haven't addressed the other individuals
listed that ALL, universally, accept John's Gospel's authority, which
is what we are talking about...whether the words I quoted were
SCRIPTURE. Some have indeed debated whether John is written by the
apostle John, but the early church overwelmingly accepted the book as
Scripture. It wasn't on the list of possible reject books at the New
Testament councils, and individuals from ALL of the early centuries
quoted from the book as the Word of God....more so than ANY other New
Testament book or Gospel. In short, if the gospel of John is to be
doubted, the entire New Testament is in question, since John is the
most sourced, used, and accredited book in the following early church
period.

Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com