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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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04 Nov 2007 05:01:52 PM |
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ETERNAL life, part 19 |
John 10:27-28 - My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they
follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never
perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. (KJV)
Note 1: Jesus said that He gives His Sheep (those that ENTERED by
Him) ETERNAL (cannot end) life.
Note 2: Jesus says specifically that they "shall NEVER perish."
Note 3: Jesus says that no man shall take them out of His hand....not
even the believer, themselves (which would be a man).
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: ETERNAL life, part 19 |
04 Nov 2007 01:09:45 PM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194217312.201535.286760@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
John 10:27-28 - My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they
follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never
perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. (KJV)
Note 1: Jesus said that He gives His Sheep (those that ENTERED by
Him) ETERNAL (cannot end) life.
Note 2: Jesus says specifically that they "shall NEVER perish."
Note 3: Jesus says that no man shall take them out of His hand....not
even the believer, themselves (which would be a man).
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
Amazingly, Christians almost never question the authenticity of Jesus and
the Bibles, yet the very foundation of their faith is based on their
authenticity.
The vast majority of the public are unaware of the fact that 'Jesus the
Christ' was not even mentioned in historical documents until after the third
century long after the claimed crucifixion of Christ. Many have claimed that
one sentence in first century documents from Jewish author Flavious Josephus
mentioned Jesus proved his existence in the first century. Subsequent
studies have shown that this statement was a third century forgery probably
by Bishop Eusebius in the third century.
Eusebius was known to use lies and fabrications to support church doctrines.
The Bibles are the literature of 'faith', not of scientific observation or
historical fact or demonstration. Numerous versions of the Bible have been
found with a magnitude of literary differences
If religion was based on facts instead of pure faith the followers would be
called knowers instead of followers. Why are there thousands of different
"one true faiths"?
If religion was supported by any real 'evidence', 'faith' would be totally
unnecessary. It is only unsupportable assertions that require the suspension
of reason, and unsupportable ideas require belief based on 'faith'.
It is believed that the foundation of the Christian religion, civilization
and morality is the Good Book. This is patently ridiculous because the
Bibles are nothing more than books of myths, fables, contradictions, human
and animal sacrifices, genocide, slaveholding, misogyny, destruction,
barbarisms, forgeries and impossible tales by authors of totally unknown
veracity. There are NO NADA originals in existence. All that is available
are hand copies of copies by church leaders wanting to impress their flocks.
The 66 books of the Bible had 42 or more independent authors living in 7
different countries during a time span of 750 or more years.
They are not accurate history and certainly are not the words of any god
unless he is an insane and totally untrustworthy monster. They are not even
good fiction.
No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no
artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. No
contemporary Roman records show Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus.
Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing
that mentions Jesus. All documents ( the Bibles )about Jesus were written
long after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors,
people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or
allegorical writings. It is reasonable to assume that these ancient
documents were doctored and altered to enhance the power of the clerics of
the time. Many of these writings come from fraud, interpolations and
hearsay.
The documents included in the Bible were selected by the church leaders to
support and enhance their power. The rest have been destroyed by church
leaders.
There is also the matter of the Biblical canon itself. After all, ancient
Israel and the early church knew of many more religious books than the ones
that now constitute the Bible. For example, there were 50 gospels in
circulation at the time the New Testaments were chosen by church leaders,
yet only four
made it into the New Testament. Who decided which of the books would
become part of the Christian scriptures, and again, "Why?" Who decided,
"This book belongs... this book doesn't..."? What were their reasons?
What were their motives? How do we know if ANY of them were authentic? In
addition there is evidence that the Bibles were altered by church leaders to
support their personal motives and ambitions..
The fact is, there are no clear records available which document the
church's process of determining which books were acceptable and which books
were unacceptable and why. The general consensus of opinion among scholars
is that the decision was based on whether or not the book agreed with the
prevailing theological thought and motives at the time. In other words, the
only books accepted were the ones that agreed with the opinions, desires and
motives of the church leadership at the time
The earliest part of New Testament was written more than 70 years after the
claimed death of Jesus Christ and the Old Testaments were just a collection
of various regional stories from older civilizations. Some Biblical scholars
claim the earliest versions of the Bible were not in existence until 150
years after the Christ tale.
Why are there NO contemporary documents created while Jesus was claimed to
be on earth? Could it be that Jesus is just a fable created by church
leaders to enhance their power? There are NO originals of any of the Old or
New testaments. They are all hand copies of copies of copies with
alterations to suite the copiers.
It is interesting to note that NONE of the Bibles were written during Jesus'
claimed life time. Time needed to pass to permit the creation of tales and
the embellishment of history.
The Bibles contain both historical and scientific errors. They contain
manifest absurdities, unfulfilled prophesies, immoralities, indecencies,
obscenities, atrocities, barbarities, myths, folklore and legends. They are
mostly nonsense and hearsay.
Hearsay means information derived from other people rather than on a
witness' own knowledge. Courts of law do not allow hearsay as testimony, and
nor does honest modern scholarship.
We live in a world where many people believe in demons, UFOs, ghosts, or
monsters, and an innumerable number of fantasies that are believed as fact
are taken from nothing but belief and hearsay. Humans are known to lie and
exaggerate to benefit themselves or express their delusions.
Valid historian's do not just tell unsubstantiated stories, but cite their
articles with sources that trace to the subject themselves, or to
eyewitnesses and physical artifacts.
The most claimed "authoritative" accounts of a historical Jesus come from
the four canonical Gospels of the Bible. Note that these Gospels did not
come into the Bible as original and authoritative documents from the authors
themselves, but rather from copies selected and influenced by early church
leaders, especially the most influential of them all: Irenaeus of Lyon who
lived in the middle of the second century. Many heretical gospels were
written by that time, but Irenaeus selected only four of them, out of almost
fifty, for mystical reasons.
The four gospels (Mark, Luke, Matthew and John) then became Church cannon
for the orthodox faith. Most of the other claimed gospel writings were
burned, destroyed, or lost.
Although the gospels of the New Testament-- like those discovered at Nag
Hammadi-- are attributed to Jesus' followers, no one knows who actually
wrote any of them. Not only do we not know who wrote them, consider that
NONE of the Gospels were contemporarily written during the alleged life of
Jesus, nor do the unknown authors make the claim to have met an earthly
Jesus. Add to this that NONE of the ORIGINAL gospel manuscripts exist; we
only have copies of copies etc. from unknown copiers! ( The printing press
was not invented until 1400 years AFTER the last Bible was claimed to have
been written. )
Why would any REAL GOD permit the destruction of his words and the
distortion of his history???
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| User: "Midwinter" |
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| Title: Re: ETERNAL life, part 19 |
05 Nov 2007 04:09:06 AM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> muttered :
Why would any REAL GOD permit the destruction of his words and the
distortion of his history???
Well done, Bill. You managed to do a whole lecture against Christianity
specifically. Congratulations.
Incidentally, for myself, I certainly believe in monsters. You must be
living in a particularly fluffy world if you don't.
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