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Religions > Bible |
| User: |
"DCL" |
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18 Feb 2004 03:17:14 PM |
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faith |
I had and social discussion with a comrade of mine about logics and faith
his idea about logics is everything in the universe can be explain and has
mathematics calculation and there no such thing called faith but facts and
logics.
I told him that he is wrong and that there is certain things that can be
explain but there is some things that you cannot calculate but you just have
to accept that it is there.
I told him that physics and sciences is faith, sometimes scientists and
professors create theory just by guessing and sometimes there are right and
sometimes there have to create new ideas all over again.
I told him that where logics fail faith begins, where calculations fails you
just have to accept what ever it is.
My comrade look at me and tell me that I crazy
What do you all think about this subject?
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| User: "Chris Devol" |
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| Title: Re: faith |
18 Feb 2004 03:39:47 PM |
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"DCL" <dcl@caribsurf.com> wrote in message
news:1037lnbltsrph47@corp.supernews.com...
I had and social discussion with a comrade of mine about logics and
faith
his idea about logics is everything in the universe can be explain and
has
mathematics calculation and there no such thing called faith but facts
and
logics.
Your friend needs to clarify what he means by "no such thing". Is he
saying that the word "faith" is a synonym for the word "nothing"? A look
at the dictionary will refute that.
Also, if "logic" or "mathematics" can explain everything in the
universe, then it must be greater than the universe, i.e., it must have
its origin and being outside the universe. So where is "outside the
universe"?
Of course, if your friend is just being a smart-*****, then why bother
talking to him?
<snip>
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| User: "tadchem" |
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| Title: Re: faith |
18 Feb 2004 05:25:55 PM |
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"Chris Devol" <xyz@defghijk.lmn> wrote in message
news:DYQYb.9398$WW3.175@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
<snip>
Also, if "logic" or "mathematics" can explain everything in the
universe, then it must be greater than the universe, i.e., it must have
its origin and being outside the universe. So where is "outside the
universe"?
In the Land Before Time, of course ;-)
You will find it in the next parallel universe over but one, which you can
get to through a black hole singularity. I left the key in my Dictionary of
Undefined Terms, between pages 11 and 12.
Of course,
<snip>
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "Sergio" |
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| Title: Re: faith |
20 Feb 2004 08:08:58 AM |
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"DCL" <dcl@caribsurf.com> wrote in message
news:1037lnbltsrph47@corp.supernews.com...
I had and social discussion with a comrade of mine about logics and faith
his idea about logics is everything in the universe can be explain and has
mathematics calculation and there no such thing called faith but facts and
logics.
I told him that he is wrong and that there is certain things that can be
explain but there is some things that you cannot calculate but you just
have
to accept that it is there.
I told him that physics and sciences is faith, sometimes scientists and
professors create theory just by guessing and sometimes there are right
and
sometimes there have to create new ideas all over again.
I told him that where logics fail faith begins, where calculations fails
you
just have to accept what ever it is.
My comrade look at me and tell me that I crazy
What do you all think about this subject?
Well, four things in answer to your question:
First, science *tries* to explain and calculate everything. Whether or not
this is possible for absolutely *everything* in the Universe is not known -
you will have to do it to prove it.
Second, people get upset by the scientific method and principles - this
seems to be the cause of the argument between you and your friend. It is a
very difficult discussion, because both sides argue from different basic
principles. He (defending the scientific point of view) will emphasize fact,
proof and scientific evidence; you, as a believer in faith, have no such
fact or proof to offer, because hard scientific evidence is not part of your
basic principles.
This causes an awkwardness in the discussion because you naturally feel that
on cold logical grounds (the grounds on which such a discussion takes place)
you get slapped logically left, right and centre.
This is, third, why many people claim that science is just another 'faith'
or 'religion'. By deeming science another faith, they can do away with the
cold hard logic that makes up science.
This is, however, wrong. Science is not another religion. A fundamental
difference between science and religion (any religion) is that science
starts with the premise 'I know nothing'. Science then tries to find out how
everything works and why everything is the way it is. Theories are based
upon observations and logical reasoning. And another very important
difference: Science will discard its theories when they are proven wrong (at
least, that's the idea :-) )
Religion (any religion) starts the other way around: They know why
everything is the way it is (God, multiple gods, Aliens, you name it), and
they interprete every observation to match the big 'why'.
Thus, fourth, you should conclude that science and faith are not on equal
grounds here. Faith accepts ideas without proof and discards evidence which
disproves the fundemental idea. Religion is idea-based, or faith-based. The
concepts of roof and evidence are not part of faith.
In science the ideas are subject to evidence and to nothing else. Proper
evidence can change the entire mindset of the entire scientific community.
Science is evidence- or observation-based. The ideas can be changed.
So faith and science function in opposite ways, and therefore you can not
compare them. If you do, you either start evaluating religion from a
scientific base (concluding that all religious people have stopped
thinking), or you evaluate science from a religious point of view (and
conclude that the heretics should be burned at the stake).
Gm.
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