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"Frank" |
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01 Jul 2007 10:33:22 PM |
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Faith Alone In Christ Alone |
On your website,
the gospel should be presented in such a way
that people actually do trust in Christ alone
for their salvation so that they are saved.
Regret for and resolve to turn from sin
(repentance) must never take trust from Christ.
Salvation is not by faith plus repentance.
Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone.
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http://roines.home.mindspring.com
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| User: " S. Pepper , , ,bf7y4c88" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Alone In Christ Alone |
01 Jul 2007 11:34:12 PM |
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"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:6m_hi.3094$tj6.1840@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
On your website,
the gospel should be presented in such a way
that people actually do trust in Christ alone
for their salvation so that they are saved.
Regret for and resolve to turn from sin
(repentance) must never take trust from Christ.
Salvation is not by faith plus repentance.
Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone.
--
http://roines.home.mindspring.com
And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they
said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy
house.
(Acts 16:30-31)
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| User: " S. Pepper , , ,bf7y4c88" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Alone In Christ Alone |
01 Jul 2007 11:29:22 PM |
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"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:6m_hi.3094$tj6.1840@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
On your website,
the gospel should be presented in such a way
that people actually do trust in Christ alone
for their salvation so that they are saved.
Regret for and resolve to turn from sin
(repentance) must never take trust from Christ.
Salvation is not by faith plus repentance.
Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone.
--
http://roines.home.mindspring.com
Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly, that God hath made him
both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom ye crucified. Now when they heard
this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and the rest of
the apostles, Brethren, **what shall we do? And Peter said unto them,
***Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ
unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy
Spirit.
(Acts 2:36-38)
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| User: " S. Pepper , , ,bf7y4c88" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Alone In Christ Alone |
01 Jul 2007 11:36:59 PM |
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"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:6m_hi.3094$tj6.1840@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
On your website,
the gospel should be presented in such a way
that people actually do trust in Christ alone
for their salvation so that they are saved.
Regret for and resolve to turn from sin
(repentance) must never take trust from Christ.
Salvation is not by faith plus repentance.
Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone.
--
http://roines.home.mindspring.com
The Gospel of Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ died for our sins (Just like the Bible says) and He was buried
and rose again the third day.
Christ died for our sin.
Only the convicting power of the Holy Spirit can draw the lost to Christ but
we,
the church, must preach the Gospel.
Here how to receive eternal life...
Ask your self these questions, are you a sinner, did Christ die for your
sins?
Do you believe that Jesus Christ was crucified, buried and dead, and that
God raised him from the dead on the third day?
Do you believe that he is now Lord?
If you said yes then....
Admit in your heart that your a sinner, you can't change, no matter what,
you simply can not change.
Call out to Jesus and ask for salvation.
(Cry out to him in prayer, ask him to change you, offer to him your life.)
When Christ touches your heart and life you will know it, the burden of sin
will be gone,
then and only then you must be water baptized. Find a bible believing church
that will help you get started on your new life.
[Posted from alt.christnet.christianlife]
"Soggy Pepper"
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| User: "Feather Forestwalker" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Alone In Christ Alone |
02 Jul 2007 12:44:39 PM |
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"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:6m_hi.3094$tj6.1840@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
On your website,
the gospel should be presented in such a way
that people actually do trust in Christ alone
for their salvation so that they are saved.
Regret for and resolve to turn from sin
(repentance) must never take trust from Christ.
Salvation is not by faith plus repentance.
Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone.
Salvation is by grace through faith.
Repentance naturally leads to acceptance of His grace - through faith.
So repentance therefore, must come first, as the Holy Spirit convicts us and
leads us to Him. It is He Who touches us first - He Who loved us first, that
we might come to a saving knowledge of Christ as Lord and Savior - GOD gave
us His only Son that whosoever believes in Him would be saved, amen?
:)
Feather
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http://roines.home.mindspring.com
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| User: " S. Pepper ` c8X8" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Alone In Christ Alone |
02 Jul 2007 02:59:15 PM |
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"Feather Forestwalker" <feather@NOSPAMPLZ.com> wrote in message
news:bQaii.43076$5j1.10203@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:6m_hi.3094$tj6.1840@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
On your website,
the gospel should be presented in such a way
that people actually do trust in Christ alone
for their salvation so that they are saved.
Regret for and resolve to turn from sin
(repentance) must never take trust from Christ.
Salvation is not by faith plus repentance.
Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone.
Salvation is by grace through faith.
Repentance naturally leads to acceptance of His grace - through faith.
So repentance therefore, must come first, as the Holy Spirit convicts us
and leads us to Him. It is He Who touches us first - He Who loved us
first, that we might come to a saving knowledge of Christ as Lord and
Savior - GOD gave us His only Son that whosoever believes in Him would be
saved, amen?
:)
Feather
Yes and that Holy Spirit lead repentance is of the heart but can be voiced
in different ways at the time of ones conversion. As the convicted call out
to the Savior they may say, I give (comitt) my life unto You (Christ) or
many other ways. Conviction and repetance is the work of the Holy Spirit. As
you so said "He loved us first"!
Praise God!
[Read more Feather and Soggy @ Alt. Christnet Christianlife }
Soggy Pepper
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http://roines.home.mindspring.com
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Alone In Christ Alone |
02 Jul 2007 06:03:33 PM |
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On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:59:15 -0400, " S. Pepper said:
"Feather Forestwalker" <feather@NOSPAMPLZ.com>
wrote in message
"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote in message
On your website,
the gospel should be presented in such a way
that people actually do trust in Christ alone
for their salvation so that they are saved.
Regret for and resolve to turn from sin
(repentance) must never take trust from Christ.
Salvation is not by faith plus repentance.
Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone.
Salvation is by grace through faith.
Repentance naturally leads to acceptance of His grace
- through faith.
So repentance therefore, must come first,
as the Holy Spirit convicts us and leads us
to Him. It is He Who touches us first - He
Who loved us first, that we might com to
a saving knowledge of Christ as Lord and
Savior - GOD gave us His only Son that
whosoever believes in Him would be saved,
amen?
:)
Feather
Yes and that Holy Spirit lead repentance is
of the heart but can be voiced in different ways
at the time of ones conversion.
The desire to repent comes from the Lord,
not us and is obvious to all, when we are
led to do so. We agree on this. :)
--
Pastor Dave
Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.
The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.
Doctrine is not Scripture.
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| User: "®andy" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Alone In Christ Alone |
02 Jul 2007 01:39:09 PM |
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:44:39 GMT,
in article
<bQaii.43076$5j1.10203@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>,
"Feather Forestwalker" <feather@NOSPAMPLZ.com> wrote:
Salvation is by grace through faith.
Repentance naturally leads to acceptance of His grace - through faith.
So repentance therefore, must come first, as the Holy Spirit convicts us and
leads us to Him. It is He Who touches us first - He Who loved us first, that
we might come to a saving knowledge of Christ as Lord and Savior - GOD gave
us His only Son that whosoever believes in Him would be saved, amen?
Repentance means a 180 degree "change" of mind. When God
imparts saving faith in a person, so that they trust Christ as
their Savior, that is a 180 degree change in their mind, from
unbelief to belief, from not seeing themselves as sinners to
admitting Christ paid for their sins, etc.
1 Thessalonians 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what
manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to
God from idols to serve the living and true God;
When God causes a person to turn "to" God, from idols, the
single act of turning to God, also results in a 180 degree
turn from idols:
Before: Idol.................... ( : ....................God
After: Idol.................... : ) ....................God
Thus, faith and repentance are two sides of the same coin.
When the person turns to God, they turn from unbelief and sin.
©2007 www.pulpitfire.org
--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Alone In Christ Alone |
02 Jul 2007 02:24:15 PM |
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ABANDON ALL REASON YE WHO ENTER THERE! -- l.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: " ::: vera :::" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Alone In Christ Alone |
02 Jul 2007 06:19:28 PM |
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In news:flgi83t9vmlq7ilj9mtf5ilhvmm6h3h7lk@4ax.com,
®andy <pulpitfire@gmail.com> typed:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:44:39 GMT,
in article
<bQaii.43076$5j1.10203@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>,
"Feather Forestwalker" <feather@NOSPAMPLZ.com> wrote:
Salvation is by grace through faith.
Repentance naturally leads to acceptance of His grace - through
faith.
So repentance therefore, must come first, as the Holy Spirit
convicts us and leads us to Him. It is He Who touches us first - He
Who loved us first, that we might come to a saving knowledge of
Christ as Lord and Savior - GOD gave us His only Son that whosoever
believes in Him would be saved, amen?
Repentance means a 180 degree "change" of mind. When God
imparts saving faith in a person, so that they trust Christ as
their Savior, that is a 180 degree change in their mind, from
unbelief to belief, from not seeing themselves as sinners to
admitting Christ paid for their sins, etc.
1 Thessalonians 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what
manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to
God from idols to serve the living and true God;
When God causes a person to turn "to" God, from idols, the
single act of turning to God, also results in a 180 degree
turn from idols:
Before: Idol.................... ( : ....................God
After: Idol.................... : ) ....................God
Thus, faith and repentance are two sides of the same coin.
When the person turns to God, they turn from unbelief and sin.
That was very nicely expressed, Randy. Thank you!
©2007 www.pulpitfire.org
--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Alone In Christ Alone |
02 Jul 2007 02:30:05 PM |
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:44:39 GMT, "Feather Forestwalker"
<feather@NOSPAMPLZ.com> spoke thusly:
"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:6m_hi.3094$tj6.1840@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
On your website,
the gospel should be presented in such a way
that people actually do trust in Christ alone
for their salvation so that they are saved.
Regret for and resolve to turn from sin
(repentance) must never take trust from Christ.
Salvation is not by faith plus repentance.
Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone.
Salvation is by grace through faith.
Repentance naturally leads to acceptance of His grace - through faith.
Amen!
So repentance therefore, must come first,
Well, that is the very first words that Christ is recorded
as preaching, after being baptized and defeating the
Devil in the desert.
"From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent:
for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." - Matthew 4:17
--
Pastor Dave
Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.
The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.
Doctrine is not Scripture.
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| User: "Mark T moi@ere26" |
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| Title: Faith In the Infinite One God Alone ... not the finite human Jesus of Nazareth |
01 Jul 2007 11:21:46 PM |
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"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote;
trust in Christ alone for their salvation
Not what your bible says!
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"Look unto Me [YAHWEH], and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth; for I
[YAHWEH] am God, and there is none else [INCLUDING JESUS OF NAZARETH]."
Isaiah 45:21
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Then God spoke all these words. He said: 'I am Yahweh your God who brought
you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have NO
GODS (INCLUDING JESUS) EXCEPT ME.' - Exodus 20: 1-2
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"God was IN Christ" (2 Cor. 5:19-21) NOT "God WAS Christ"
--
My Blog - MARK T - my thoughts on Christianity/ song covers & pics & links
http://www.blognow.com.au/strooth/
FUNDY FUNHOUSE -
http://fundamentalistfunhouse.blogspot.com/
- a resource on the current Fundamentalist Dark Age and Christian
fundamentalism.
My Soundclick Page - download my original songs in mp3 format
http://www.soundclick.com/marktindall
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Alone In Christ Alone |
06 Jul 2007 06:19:02 AM |
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Frank wrote:
On your website,
the gospel should be presented in such a way
that people actually do trust in Christ alone
for their salvation so that they are saved.
Trust a thing that never shows and is never heard of?
Well faith is indeed a prerequisite for such silliness
Regret for and resolve to turn from sin
(repentance) must never take trust from Christ.
Sin was around when homo sapiens wore nothing but long hair
and a useable language was yet to be developed.
It was priests who much much later hijacked these admirable
qualities to sell as a gift from their gods
We have short memories !
Salvation is not by faith plus repentance.
Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone.
Salvation is another well worn selling tool
--
http://roines.home.mindspring.com
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| User: "Emma" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Alone In Christ Alone |
04 Jul 2007 05:20:44 AM |
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In article <6m_hi.3094$tj6.1840@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Frank says...
On your website,
the gospel should be presented in such a way
that people actually do trust in Christ alone
for their salvation so that they are saved.
Regret for and resolve to turn from sin
(repentance) must never take trust from Christ.
Salvation is not by faith plus repentance.
Trust in Christ can't be separated from repentance.
Without repentance, there is no meaning to "trust
in Christ".
IMO Frank, you are so caught up on these words of
Martin Luther's, that you are turning them into a new
religion.
Actually, number one in Martin Luther's 95 theses,
is this:
1. Our Lord and Master Jesus Christ, when He said
"Poenitentiam agite", willed that the whole life of
believers should be repentance.
And what about 14 and 15, which appear to talk about fear
cleansing the soul:
14. The imperfect health [of soul], that is to say, the imperfect
love, of the dying brings with it, of necessity, great fear;
and the smaller the love, the greater is the fear.
15. This fear and horror is sufficient of itself alone
(to say nothing of other things) to constitute the penalty
of purgatory, since it is very near to the horror of despair.
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***Emma***
http://www.findmadeleine.com/
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| User: "®andy" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Alone In Christ Alone |
04 Jul 2007 07:09:50 AM |
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On 4 Jul 2007 03:20:44 -0700,
in article <f6fs9s026qe@drn.newsguy.com>,
Emma <emma@newsguy.com> wrote:
In article <6m_hi.3094$tj6.1840@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Frank says...
On your website,
the gospel should be presented in such a way
that people actually do trust in Christ alone
for their salvation so that they are saved.
Regret for and resolve to turn from sin
(repentance) must never take trust from Christ.
Salvation is not by faith plus repentance.
Trust in Christ can't be separated from repentance.
Without repentance, there is no meaning to "trust
in Christ".
Repentance means a 180 degree "change" of mind. When God
imparts saving faith in a person, so that they trust Christ as
their Savior, that is a 180 degree change in their mind, from
unbelief to belief, from not seeing themselves as sinners to
admitting Christ paid for their sins, etc.
1 Thessalonians 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what
manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to
God from idols to serve the living and true God;
When God causes a person to turn "to" God, from idols, the
single act of turning to God, also results in a 180 degree
turn from idols:
Before: Idol.................... ( : ....................God
After: Idol.................... : ) ....................God
Thus, faith and repentance are two sides of the same coin.
When the person trusts Christ, they turn to God, and from
unbelief and sin.
©2007 www.pulpitfire.org
--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
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| User: "Emma" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Alone In Christ Alone |
04 Jul 2007 08:00:20 AM |
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In article <de3n83pheptcd6c4tbegc6r3t62h5mq469@4ax.com>, ®andy says...
On 4 Jul 2007 03:20:44 -0700,
in article <f6fs9s026qe@drn.newsguy.com>,
Emma <emma@newsguy.com> wrote:
Trust in Christ can't be separated from repentance.
Without repentance, there is no meaning to "trust
in Christ".
Repentance means a 180 degree "change" of mind. When God
imparts saving faith in a person, so that they trust Christ as
their Savior, that is a 180 degree change in their mind, from
unbelief to belief, from not seeing themselves as sinners to
admitting Christ paid for their sins, etc.
I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me, or not.
If you are then... blimey!
Excellent, Randy-Pulpitfire (there's another
Randy in alt messianic. I don't want to confuse
you both!) Excellent! :-)
Or, are you saying that "faith is imparted" in some
magical, *involuntary* way?
If faith is a voluntary step (and, of course, it is)
then repentance comes first.
Because we have to understand that we need help first
eg. repent.
After that, we trust in Christ for salvation.
1 Thessalonians 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what
manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to
God from idols to serve the living and true God;
When God causes a person to turn "to" God, from idols, the
single act of turning to God, also results in a 180 degree
turn from idols:
Of course becoming a Christian should result in a change of
behaviour in the long term too. But there has to be
an initial repentance, in order to set the
whole process in motion.
And btw, you deleted the Martin Luther quotes,
which I think are very interesting, because he's
idolised by Frank.
And yet, Martin Luther mentions purgatory, and
all sorts of dodgy (from Frank's point of view)
bits of theology.
Although Frank's theology is quite narrow and
he's edited the scriptures down to just four words:
"Faith Alone in Christ Alone".
But I suppose we should be thankful that he chose those
four words, and not some others:
"Kill them before me" Luke 19
--
***Emma***
http://www.findmadeleine.com/
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| User: "Emma" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Alone In Christ Alone |
04 Jul 2007 08:09:03 AM |
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In article <f6g5l402pld@drn.newsguy.com>, Emma says...
Although Frank's theology is quite narrow and
he's edited the scriptures down to just four words:
"Faith Alone in Christ Alone".
Actually, correction: that's *five* words! :-)
--
***Emma***
http://www.findmadeleine.com/
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| User: " ::: vera :::" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Alone In Christ Alone |
04 Jul 2007 09:00:24 AM |
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In news:de3n83pheptcd6c4tbegc6r3t62h5mq469@4ax.com,
®andy <pulpitfire@gmail.com> typed:
On 4 Jul 2007 03:20:44 -0700,
in article <f6fs9s026qe@drn.newsguy.com>,
Emma <emma@newsguy.com> wrote:
In article <6m_hi.3094$tj6.1840@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Frank says...
On your website,
the gospel should be presented in such a way
that people actually do trust in Christ alone
for their salvation so that they are saved.
Regret for and resolve to turn from sin
(repentance) must never take trust from Christ.
Salvation is not by faith plus repentance.
Trust in Christ can't be separated from repentance.
Without repentance, there is no meaning to "trust
in Christ".
Repentance means a 180 degree "change" of mind. When God
imparts saving faith in a person, so that they trust Christ as
their Savior, that is a 180 degree change in their mind, from
unbelief to belief, from not seeing themselves as sinners to
admitting Christ paid for their sins, etc.
1 Thessalonians 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what
manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to
God from idols to serve the living and true God;
When God causes a person to turn "to" God, from idols, the
single act of turning to God, also results in a 180 degree
turn from idols:
Before: Idol.................... ( : ....................God
After: Idol.................... : ) ....................God
Thus, faith and repentance are two sides of the same coin.
When the person trusts Christ, they turn to God, and from
unbelief and sin.
Correct.
©2007 www.pulpitfire.org
--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
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| User: " ::: vera :::" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Alone In Christ Alone |
02 Jul 2007 10:29:43 AM |
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In news:6m_hi.3094$tj6.1840@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net,
Frank <roines@mindspring.com> typed:
On your website,
the gospel should be presented in such a way
that people actually do trust in Christ alone
for their salvation so that they are saved.
Regret for and resolve to turn from sin
(repentance) must never take trust from Christ.
Salvation is not by faith plus repentance.
Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone.
Amen.
Faith in Jesus is to know one is saved by faith through grace.
Faith in Jesus is to follow Him.
--
http://roines.home.mindspring.com
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| User: " S. Pepper c8X8" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Alone In Christ Alone |
02 Jul 2007 11:00:41 AM |
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" ::: vera :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5esjv8F3a9s97U2@mid.individual.net...
In news:6m_hi.3094$tj6.1840@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net,
Frank <roines@mindspring.com> typed:
On your website,
the gospel should be presented in such a way
that people actually do trust in Christ alone
for their salvation so that they are saved.
Regret for and resolve to turn from sin
(repentance) must never take trust from Christ.
Salvation is not by faith plus repentance.
Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone.
Amen.
Faith in Jesus is to know one is saved by faith through grace.
Faith in Jesus is to follow Him.
--
http://roines.home.mindspring.com
Biblical repentance is when the Holy Spirit convicts the unsaved as being
totally lost and without hope apart from Christ and calling out to the
Savior (Jesus) asking to be saved (Changed).
"What must I do to be saved"
REPENT!
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