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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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02 Jul 2006 06:28:28 AM |
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Faith Forever (can you lose faith), Part 4 |
Some would have you believe that you can believe in Christ and then
lose your salvation by losing your faith. However, this is easily
rebuked from Scripture.
First, God's gifts and callings are without repentance, as Scripture
says (Romans 11:29). So, the gift of faith cannot be taken back by
God.
Second, the parable of the scattered seeds do show some seeds that do
die, but the only seeds that die in that parable are those that do not
enter the soil (never entered the heart in truth). There is none of
the seeds that enter the soil that die.
Finally, there is one phrase from one verse of the gospels that should
end all debate here. It is when Peter was going out to meet Jesus on
the water. For a while Peter was walking on the water in faith (a
description of life). Then, he began to doubt and began to sink.
Jesus says to Peter, "You of little faith, why did you doubt?" Thus,
he, even in his doubt, still had faith. He was failing in life due to
his doubts, but that had not erased his faith.
Conclusion: You may decide to doubt God, and you may decide to choose
away from God. However, the giver of faith will not repent for the
gift of faith He gave you. It entered your heart and will not leave.
It's that nagging feeling you keep having to drive down that reminds
you of the joy you once had. It will be there later to draw you back
in. And, should you fall in doubt, God will still be there present to
save you (as Jesus grabbing the hand of sinking, doubtful Peter) to
raise you back up again.
Faith is forever.
Ken Clifton
-author of I Shall See Heaven
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
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| User: "Zadok" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Forever (can you lose faith), Part 4 |
02 Jul 2006 07:47:21 AM |
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"Wide Eyed in Blunder" <> wrote in message ...
Some would have you believe that you can believe in Christ and then
lose your salvation by losing your faith.
More SPAM!! More SPAM!!
More drivel from Kenny, to sell his idiotic rants!!
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Forever (can you lose faith), Part 4 |
02 Jul 2006 09:32:15 AM |
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On 2 Jul 2006 04:28:28 -0700, "Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
Some would have you believe that you can believe in Christ and then
lose your salvation by losing your faith. However, this is easily
rebuked from Scripture.
Here's what happens if you THINK you believe in Christ yet keep on sinning.
Hebrews 10:26-27 (New International Version)
26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of
the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of
judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Forever (can you lose faith), Part 4 |
02 Jul 2006 10:59:14 AM |
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Here's what happens if you THINK you believe in Christ yet keep on
sinning.
Hebrews 10:26-27 (New International Version)
26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge
of
the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation
of
judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
the loving, caring christian god will MURDER you
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| User: "suneejan" |
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| Title: Re: Faith Forever (can you lose faith), Part 4 |
02 Jul 2006 10:28:54 AM |
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I believe in Christ and what HE has done for me on the cross. I do
still sin at times but it is not willfully. So I confess my sin to God
and HE is faithfull and just to forgive me of my sin. 1 John 1:9 God
knows that I try hard not to sin but goof up sometimes. He will
forgive me and I try harder not to. But God is so patient with me.
I do believe what that verse Hebrews 10:26 is talking about is if we
sin willfully against the Holy Spirit..turning against The Holy Spirit
after one trully believes in HIM ... is in danger of no sacrifice for
sin. Like it says in Matthew 12:31
Since I believe in Jesus, I can tell you a few things HE has done for
me...Saved me of 2 cabin fires, save me from several traffic
accidents. Sure, life is still full of trials but I can go to God for
help. He protects me from evil as it is written in Palms 121
SuneeJan
duke wrote:
On 2 Jul 2006 04:28:28 -0700, "Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
Some would have you believe that you can believe in Christ and then
lose your salvation by losing your faith. However, this is easily
rebuked from Scripture.
Here's what happens if you THINK you believe in Christ yet keep on sinning.
Hebrews 10:26-27 (New International Version)
26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of
the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of
judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Hugo" |
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| Title: Bush funding Laskar Jihad and Al Qaeda , a sin ? |
03 Jul 2006 10:10:13 AM |
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duke wrote:
Here's what happens if you THINK you believe in Christ yet keep on
sinning.
duke wrote:
The Constitution says nothing about Gitmo.
The President is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces,
and the Armed Forces runs Gitmo.
No, the Officers of the US Armed Forces would close the Gitmo prison down
if they were allowed. With the exception of ten or twelve people the rest
should never have been kidnapped in the first place.
He was exercising
absolute power to start war for any imagined excuse ? absolute power to
have people kidnapped by Pakistani Intelligence , tortured by Egyptian
police , drugged & flown into Afghanistan by the DoD , and finally chained
and flown to Cuba by the United States ?
what he interpreted to be his legal duties as Commander in Chief.
Or what he could get away with as President ? What he thought the US
Constitution could be bent to >
The SC said no
From a related subject:
Neocon Oil Cheerleaders wrote:
Bush is dumb in a broad sense, to have succumbed to Republican Greed and
skullduggery. But he has effectively accomplished his goal of tripling
the price of oil. Exxon, now trillions of dollar richer, raises a glass
of fine champagne to Bush for his leadership, as tens of thousands of dead
bodies and ruined lives are excreted from the Republican Greed Machine.
Not only Exxon, but Bechtel Inc. raises a glass of champagne to Bush for
pushing the NU-CLE-AR energy future.
Working against western and US interests the "US Indonesia Society" and its
members Bechtel, Exxon, Freeport McMoRan continue to fund the Bush
campaigns while hoping the US public is too stupid to notice that they have
GW Bush funding Islamic Jihad expansion, Church burnings and blooding of
their Laskar Jihad recruits against the people of West Papua from where the
world's largest mine continues to steal their gold & copper to fund Bush
and Laskar Jihad and the rest of the Al Qaeda networks.
http://www.usindo.org/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/laskar-jihad.htm
http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/laskar.cfm
Laskar Jihad in West Papua video May 2005:
http://news.sbs.com.au/dateline/index.php?page=transcript&dte=2005-03-16&headlineid=940
http://fandom.net/InfoKit/Src/yoman16-03-2005.rm
Report 1/June/2006:
There are 3 militia training camps near Arso and Wendi villages. 2500 troops
dressed in full combat gear and body armour are training daily. The camps
have tanks and helicopters and the troops are bunking down with the
jihadists.
There have been waves of disappearances in the region, so-called 'ninja'
attacks where up to 40 people have been taken at night in recent months.
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| User: "Hugo" |
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| Title: Re: Bush funding Laskar Jihad and Al Qaeda , a sin ? |
03 Jul 2006 10:32:48 AM |
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Do you think there could be some reason the US Congress majority wrote
Section 1115 ?
http://fandom.net/InfoKit/Src/section1115.html
Do you think there could be some reason that WW-II veterans having fought
Nazi colonial ambitions in Europe & Africa, and Japanese colonial ambitions
in Asia and the Pacific ;
decided to create the United Nations
and to make the removal of colonization one of its primary functions ?
Do you think Christ and these people were wrong to want people not to be
judged by which languages they spoke, the type of clothes they wore, or the
colour of their skin? Should we want to allow them freedom of speech like
we want ?
In short, who was right, the US Congress for wanting to ask questions about
West Papua and how Indonesia claims to have sovereignty of this island
outside of Asia ? Or is Freeport McMoRan right that Papuans are stone age
savagers who should be tankfull for the pass forty years of Indonesian
control ?
Yale Law school report 2004:
"Indonesian Human Rights Abuses in West Papua:
Application of the Law of Genocide to the History of Indonesian Control"
http://www.law.yale.edu/outside/html/Public_Affairs/426/westpapuahrights.pdf
Ambassador Francis Galbraith during the 'Act of Free Choice' estimating
85-90% of the Papuan people opposed Indonesian control; Indonesian Foreign
Minister admitting Indonesian military abuses and were against Papuan
interests:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB128/index.htm
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