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27 Nov 2005 10:01:56 PM |
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False Prophets |
Jeremiah 5:30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;
Jeremiah 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by
their means; and my people love [to have it] so: and what will ye do in the
end thereof?
Jeremiah 23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not
spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
Jeremiah 23:22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my
people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil
way, and from the evil of their doings.
Jeremiah 23:23 [Am] I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar
off?
Jeremiah 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see
him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:25 I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in
my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.
Jeremiah 23:26 How long shall [this] be in the heart of the prophets that
prophesy lies? yea, [they are] prophets of the deceit of their own heart;
Jeremiah 23:27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their
dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have
forgotten my name for Baal.
Jeremiah 23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he
that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What [is] the chaff to
the wheat? saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:29 [Is] not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a
hammer [that] breaketh the rock in pieces?
Jeremiah 23:30 Therefore, behold, I [am] against the prophets, saith the
LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.
Jeremiah 23:31 Behold, I [am] against the prophets, saith the LORD, that
use their tongues, and say, He saith.
Jeremiah 23:32 Behold, I [am] against them that prophesy false dreams,
saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies,
and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore
they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:33 And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall
ask thee, saying, What [is] the burden of the LORD? thou shalt then say unto
them, What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in
my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto
them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of
nought, and the deceit of their heart.
Jeremiah 14:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that
prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine
shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be
consumed.
Lamentations 2:14 Thy prophets have seen vain and foolish things for thee:
and they have not discovered thine iniquity, to turn away thy captivity; but
have seen for thee false burdens and causes of banishment.
Jeremiah 23:14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible
thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the
hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all
of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
Jeremiah 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words
of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a
vision of their own heart, [and] not out of the mouth of the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not
spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
Jeremiah 23:25 I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in
my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.
Jeremiah 23:26 How long shall [this] be in the heart of the prophets that
prophesy lies? yea, [they are] prophets of the deceit of their own heart;
Jeremiah 29:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not
your prophets and your diviners, that [be] in the midst of you, deceive you,
neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed.
Jeremiah 29:9 For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not
sent them, saith the LORD.
Ezekiel 13:2 Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that
prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear
ye the word of the LORD;
Ezekiel 13:3 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that
follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!
Ezekiel 13:4 O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.
Ezekiel 13:5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge
for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.
Ezekiel 13:6 They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD
saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made [others] to hope
that they would confirm the word.
Ezekiel 13:7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a
lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith [it]; albeit I have not
spoken?
Ezekiel 13:8 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken
vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I [am] against you, saith the Lord
GOD.
Ezekiel 13:9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and
that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither
shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall
they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I [am] the Lord
GOD.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: False Prophets |
29 Nov 2005 09:01:54 AM |
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On 29 Nov 2005 08:18:27 GMT, "stone"
<antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> spake thusly:
K F wrote in message <29175-438B5760-1010@storefull-3136.bay.webtv.net>...
Yes there were false prophets!
Does it make you a false prophet if you are looking for signs and can
make connections to modern day events (like Jack Van Impe and Hal
Lindsey does) which consists with the signs to watch for...such
as...Violence shall Increase...Wars and Rumors of Wars...The Mark of the
Beast....on and on.
Are they False prophets in your eyes?
Yes!
Matthew 24:6-7a
6) And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars.
See that you are not troubled, for all these things
must occur; but the end is not yet.
7a) For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom
against kingdom.
While people look today for wars, they forget,
wars have been fought in the past.
People are so eager to blind themselves to anything
that doesn't make the Bible all about them, that
they completely ignore history.
First of all, a warning of wars and rumors of wars,
would be meaningless, if it weren't a time of peace
when that warning is given. Wars in of themselves,
are not signs. Many wars have been fought and yet,
the end timers still await the Lord. So guess what?
Wars are not a sign. That isn't what Jesus was saying,
nor could it be. Wars in a time of great peace
however, would be a clear sign. To be shocked by wars
after a period of great peace, is what would trigger
one to remember Jesus' words. And not a measly
3 1/2 years of peace, which the end timers claim
about their false AntiChrist covenant doctrine.
No, 3 1/2 years is nothing.
Decades of peace first. Now that's a sign! :)
A little lesson in history is in order here. Julius
Caesar one can say, planted the seed that would
become the Roman Empire, when he defeated
Pompey and Marc Antony and became the dictator
of Rome. After he died, a short civil war took place
and resulted in the formal establishment of the
Roman Empire by Augustus Caesar. He enforced
peace throughout the Empire. This began the
"Pax Romana", or, "peace of Rome" and it began
with his establishment of the "Age of Peace" in
17 B.C. and it eventually covered the entire
Mediterranean. Origen talks about...
"the abundance of peace that began at the birth
of Christ" - Against Celsus 2:30.
This peace lasted with relatively little disturbance,
until the time of Nero.
That is quite a long time to have peace. It is this
peace that enables the Christian message to
spread rapidly around the Mediterranean basin,
in the stability under the Pax Romana.
Nero however, brought about the Jewish War that
resulted in the destruction of the Temple stone by
stone (Mat 24:2). Nero's time also began the Roman
Civil Wars, including the "Year of Four Emperors"
(68-69 AD). The Roman Empire almost collapsed
during this time (fatal wound). In February of
67 A.D., Nero commissioned Roman general
Flavius Vespasian to squash a revolt in Israel,
which of course, resulted in the destruction of
the temple in August of 70 A.D. (3 1/2 years later)
and Jesus' words were FULFILLED TO THE LETTER!
After the Roman army burned the Temple, they pried
apart each and every stone of the Temple, to retrieve
the melted gold that ran in between them (the doors
alone were 40 feet high and covered in gold).
"And Jesus said to them, Do you not see all these
things? Truly I say to you, There shall not be left
here one stone on another that shall not be thrown
down." - Matthew 24:2
Did He say, "Oh, but not THIS Temple guys. I
REALLY mean another one, that's all about the
people in the 21st century.". no, He didn't. :)
Anyway, his strategy in the Jewish War, was to,
as Josephus said (words in parenthesis mine)...
"...first overthrow what remained elsewhere (Judea,
etc.) and to leave nothing outside of Jerusalem behind
him that might interrupt in the siege." - Wars 4:7:3
Josephus also records for us that Vespasian, "went
and burnt Galilee and the neighboring parts (as he
made his way toward Jerusalem)." - Wars 6:6:2
Thus, there would be numerous battles in Judea
and the surrounding area before the siege of
Jerusalem and the Temple.
Also during this campaign (67 - 70 AD), Rome erupted
in civil war, which almost brought down the city and
the empire (fatal wound of the beast, folks). Nations
were trying to revolt and leave the Empire. This was
truly a time of "nation against nation" ("and you will
hear of wars and rumors of wars").
It is clear that the beast in Revelation, represents
both a city and a man. Nero, as a matter of history,
had his aide run him through the throat with a
sword and that is how he died (the beast would
receive his fatal wound by the sword).
"And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by
the means of those miracles which he had power
to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that
dwell on the earth, that they should make an image
to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and
did live." - Revelation 13:14
Here it is talking about both elements, since the
beast is a man and a kingdom. After Nero's death,
it was almost the end of the Roman Empire. Yet it
lived on. Nero was killed by the sword and the
Roman Empire did receive a fatal wound, but lived.
Of course, there is more to discuss within that
passage, but for now, we will concentrate on Jesus'
statements in Matthew 24.
"The history on which I am entering is that of a period
rich in disasters, terrible with battles, torn by civil
struggles, horrible even in peace. Four emperors
failed by the sword; there were three civil wars, more
foreign wars and often both at the same time."
- Histories 1:2
Josephus wrote...
"Now at the time when this great concussion of
affairs happened (namely the Jewish War), the
affairs of the Romans themselves were in great
disorder. Those Jews also, who were for innovations,
then arose when the times were disturbed; they
were also in a flourishing condition for strength
and riches, insomuch that the affairs of the east
were then exceeding tumultuous, while some
hoped for gain and others were afraid of loss in
such troubles; for the Jews hoped that all of their
nation which were beyond Euphrates would have
raised an insurrection together with them. The
Gauls also, in the neighborhood of the Romans,
were in motion and the Celtae were not quiet; but all
was in disorder after the death of Nero." - Wars 1:1:2
Both subjects of Rome and enemies alike, thought
that Rome was in its death throes. Tacitus wrote
regarding this...
"This was the condition of the Roman state when
Serius Galba, chosen consul for the second time
and his colleague Titus Vinius entered upon the
year that was to be for Galba his last and for the
state almost the end." - Histories 1:11
Also, prior to the mid sixties, there were other local
battles and riots, that I haven't even brought up, that
came some years before that, which were based in
the wilderness of Judea. Josephus wrote of a
succession of "deceivers and imposters", who
"fomented revolutionary changes under the pretext
of divine inspiration". He also noted battles between
the Jews and others, such as the Syrians, the
Askelonians, the Alexandrians, etc.. This is part
of the "nation against nation" that Jesus spoke of.
These things are surely a fulfillment of what Jesus
said. They would hear of "wars and rumors of wars",
as these local battles began to crop up and later,
as Rome had civil wars and then as Vespasian
made his way toward Jerusalem. These are significant,
in that they started after there was a time of peace.
Also, Jesus warned of false Messiahs and there were
many who rose up at that time, who claimed that
they would lead the Jews to victory and some claimed
that if the Jews followed them here or there, God would
appear to them. Remember, a false Messiah would not be
believed, if the time wasn't right for the Messiah to
appear. Why do you think that the three men came to
see Jesus? Because the time was right for the Messiah
to appear. Contrary to what the church has done since
the early 1800's, Daniel's weeks were never broken up
and the Jews knew that the time of the prophecy of the
appearance of the Messiah was right and people don't
realize, that Jesus could not have had any followers,
if the timing for the Messiah to appear was not right.
They also don't realize how many false Messiahs
appeared in the first century, claiming to be the
Messiah.
People think that Jesus was saying to watch out for
people that claim to be "Jesus returned". That is NOT
what He was saying at all! When He said "come in my
name", He didn't mean His HUMAN name. He meant
those who claim to be the Messiah and many DID COME!
Anyway, as I said, a warning of wars and rumors
of wars, would be meaningless, if it weren't a time
of peace when that warning is given and it was when
Jesus gave it.
The Jews even had a victory during this time.
They defeated Cestius Gallus and the Roman
Twelfth Legion in November of 66 A.D. This,
of course, made them hungry for independence
from Rome and it was that uprising that spelled
their doom in 70 A.D..
Thus, the "wars and rumors of wars", were signs for
that generation, in that time and these things would
have triggered thoughts of Christ's words, in the
believers' hearts and minds.
And as for the Tribulation, that happened during Nero's
reign and up to the destruction of the Temple.
Tacitus writes, regarding the treatment of
Christians...
"Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths.
Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn
by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses,
or were doomed to the flames. These served to
illuminate the night when daylight failed. Nero had
thrown open the gardens for the spectacle, and
was exhibiting a show in the circus, while he mingled
with the people in the dress of a charioteer or drove
about in a chariot. Hence, even for criminals who
deserved extreme and examplary punishment there
arose a feeling of compassion; for it was not, as it
seemed, for the public good, but glut one man's
cruelty, that they were being punished."
Nero used to tie the people up and/or crucify them
and cover them in tar and other materials and light
them on fire, while still alive and use them as living
lamps, both on the roads and in his gardens.
It should also be noted that Nero used to dress up
as a beast and tear at the genitals of bound Christians
for fun.
Yes, Nero was the beast. There is no doubt of this
to anyone with half a mind, who isn't brainwashed
by their newspaper prophecies.
He tortured Christians.
His war brought about the destruction of the Temple.
He used to dress as a beast.
There was 3 1/2 years or horrible tribulation.
His name adds up to six hundred and sixty six.
Wars came in a time of great peace which lasted
quite some time.
But hey, all of these things are coincidences and it's
all ABOUT YOU, right? (:
Yet the end timers think that the church of the first
century should have been ignoring this and saying...
"Well, I know that all of these things fulfill Jesus'
words, but I shouldn't be thinking that any of this
is really that bad, nor should I be thinking that Jesus
came when He did to talk to us. No, no, no. It is
much wiser to think that even though His words were
fulfilled to the letter, that He was really ignoring us
and talking right past us, just so He could talk to the
people in the 21st century. Yea, that's the way it is!
Yea, sure!"
Yea... okay! (:
If Jesus wanted to tell the 21st century that these
things were going to happen to us, then why didn't
He appear now? Why mislead 2,000 years of
generations, that lived up until now?
What sense does it make, to appear to a generation
that has nothing to do with what you're saying and
then keep saying, "this generation", over and over
again to them, if you don't mean them?
That's a lord of deception and confusion and that
isn't the Lord that *I* worship!
--
Pastor Dave
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