Religions > Bible > "Filtering out dirty minded posters means doing away with alt.atheism."
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21 Jun 2007 07:10:38 AM |
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"Filtering out dirty minded posters means doing away with alt.atheism." |
vivapadre: "Filtering out dirty minded posters means doing away with
alt.atheism."
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V:
If I have the wrong name as author please forgive me. It can be
confusing sometimes.
No, everyone has a right to exist.
I filter no one.
Sure, correct wrong speech with right speech.
But also apply 'live and let live' as we each need a home to call out
own.
We can see how a moderated alt.atheism did.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism.moderated/topics
Useless.
But that is no surprise, since atheists are notorious good starters
but poor finishers.
Atheists talk a good story, but when it comes down to actions they are
lost.
Lets look at some of Michelle Malkin's beliefs as she posted at her
site for a quick example.
She is the most senior member at alt.atshism and their guiding light
so to speak. (Or is it Mark K. Bilbo who bills himself as the host of
alt.atheism?)
Either way lets look at both of them so we can be fair.
Michelle Malkin's beliefs:
"I believe in the Golden Rule in the form of the Wiccan Rede - 'An' it
hurt no one, do as you please.' - and that when the mystical and power-
seeking aspects of nearly all religions are removed, the Golden Rule
is what is left."
"Like Confucius, I believe in studying the social affairs of humanity
and searching history for clues as to how to improve things."
"I believe in freedom of thought for everyone."
"I long for world peace and an end to bigotry, prejudice and
ignorance."
"I believe that the future of humanity lies in humanity."
from:
http://questioner.www2.50megs.com/index.html
As they say in the 12 step groups...if you talk the talk you must walk
the walk for the talk to be of any worth.
Or as i say
Knowledge is useless without application Michelle.
But Michelle does not have it inside her to give to others, so she can
offer nothing concrete.
The only thing she can offer is hallow words far off in cyberspace
where they have no practical application in her life.
Authenticity is what is missing in Michelle's life.
In Mark K. Bilbo, he is most authentic in is filth and hatred.
But he is missing 'rightness' in the equation for his authenticity to
provide peace in his life.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=342.0
I have been shown much discrimination over the years online and do not
wish to discriminate against anyone.
Besides, the filth and hatred provide you a glimpse to what's inside
that person.
It also shows theists what is in store for them if they lose their
'faith'
Whenever you council a theist that decided spiritual values are
useless, send them over to their new home at alt,atheism so they may
develop values of the 'BAAWA' variety.
Just as the bible is a major reason for people losing faith...the mind
manacled, spiritually sick, defiant based, hate filled atheist is a
major reason for people returning to religion and the spiritual life.
Sure, religion has many questions and require faith and is by no means
perfect.
But the alternative will only produce a 'perfect' haggard shell of a
human, stewing in their own putrid stew of hatred and ill will called
the dogmatic atheist.
.....My discussion of this topic from an earlier post.
Kelsey Bjarnason:
"What the hell would we need "spiritual values" for when atheists can
have real values instead?"
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V:
Hi and thank you for your reply Kelsey.
Yes, spiritual concepts are hard to define, just as the source of the
wind is hard to define.
Since spiritual matters deal with the unseen and the unknown, how can
we define them perfectly?
If we could do that they would not be spiritual studies.
You can't see why one person is loving and kind and another person is
a fiend of perennial shame, hate and destruction.
Nor can you see what made the hate monger change into a kind and
loving human.
We can describe spiritual concepts and the journey that made the
change possible, but it is impossible to put our finger on it all
exactly.
Spiritual growth is a journey that is a never ending, an imperfect
process in this life.
But just as we can see the effects of the wind and gravity, while
being blind to its source; we can most definitely see the difference
in people that incorporate spiritual values within their lives when
compared to people that live a life devoid of any spiritual values.
No one said we have to 'investigate it all,' but we do have to give it
some thought if we wish to be at peace.
A Hindu sage once told me "Just as water floes downhill without effort
but requires outside forces and energy to make it move uphill. So the
human consciousness falls to its lowest levels of the senses without
effort and energies to make our consciousness gravitate to more than
our base desires."
As such without effort, the defiance based atheists sinks deeper and
deeper into sickness and tragedy as time goes by.
Lets look at some of the 'real values' that atheists develop once they
drop spirituality from the equation Kelsey.
As you can see below, the defiance based, mind manacled, spiritually
sick atheist can go out of their way to be very cruel.
The Buddhists follow the eightfold path of right living and one of
these paths encompasses right speech.
One time I brought up this subject of right speech at alt.atheism and
was responded to as such.
Robibnikoff wrote: "So. Fucking what...do you think I give a flying
***** what you think, dipshit...Not that it's any of YOUR fucking
business...Don't presume that you know what's best for me, you
deluded, motherfucking, cocksucking son of a *****." (condensed)
With my first few posts, I offered to discuss tools that the atheist,
agnostic or theist can all share to develop inner peace.
These are just a few of the responses at alt.atheism on the topics of
developing compassion, simplicity, ethics, morals, mindfulness,
reciprocity, philosophical studies, charity, accepting impermanence,
and developing gratitude.
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Christopher A. Lee wrote: "So fucking what? Keep it to yourself and
nobody will know what an ***** you are."
Kate wrote: "I've never been not at peace. What you offer makes me
physically ill. It's like a nasty man come round to tell little
kiddees he has candy for them if they touch his pee pee. You know,
most of the atheists I know are as good as children are at discerning
misrepresentation. You aren't trying to help anyone but your own
self. Go away, we have no interest in touching your pee pee."
Christopher A. Lee wrote: "What the ***** has philosophy got to do
with your in-your-face psychopathy?"
Michael Gray wrote: "Stop posting your vile polemic deliberately
nasty, lying Christian? . Please go away. No-one is buying your
poisonous diatribe. Are you really this stupid, or just pretending?"
John Baker wrote: "First of all, this is a newsgroup, not the
freaking public library. Keep it short and to the point. Second,
you're full of *****."
Christopher A. Lee wrote: "We know this deliberately nasty,
slandering liar is a Christian by his fruits...a liar as well as an
idiot...don't be so fucking stupid."
Christopher A. Lee wrote: "You wouldn't know "virtuous behaviour" if
it hit you over the head, whining hypocrite who needs to get the log
out of his own eye before accusing us of a projection of his own
deficiencies."
Christopher A. Lee wrote: "a few hundred lines of irrelevant *****
by a whining hypocrite who
doesn't practice what he preaches, deleted"
Robibnikoff wrote: "Shaddup, you *****."
Michael Gray wrote: "There ain't nothin' lamer than a jabriol
fuckwit"
Christopher A. Lee wrote: "Whi give a *****, in-your-face stuipid
moron?"
John Baker wrote: 'I'd almost feel sorry for him if he wasn't such
a disgusting piece of *****."
Robibnikoff wrote: "I hope that stupid fucker (V) doesn't think I
actually read all that dog ***** he posts."
Robibnikoff wrote: "....no one gives a ***** what you think."
Stoney wrote: "Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to shove a
wooden cross up their arses and rotate at a high rate of speed. I
trust you'll be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters."
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I could send you an almost endless supply of such material to prove
the point that without spiritual values, the atheist is sunk.
The conundrum of the mind manacled, defiance based, spiritually sick
atheist is this.
They need spiritual values to be at peace - yet their own defiance
blocks them from seeking and finding these values.
The atheist that only has a foundation of ego and hate will never find
peace.
If any theist questioning their faith should wonder onto alt.atheism,
for instance, they could see this for themselves with many spiritually
sick example members and their projection of this spiritual sickness
and self hate onto others
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Robibnikoff wrote: "Blah, blah, blah... you boring sack of *****."
Mark K Bilbo wrote: "..you're an *****...a self-absorbed *****
who thinks everything is about him."
Mark K Bilbo wrote: "For a "peace" freak, you sure are a spiteful
little *****."
Panama Floyd wrote: "...this guy is funny. Why don't we wait a while
before we eat him? Maybe he'll poopie himself!."
John Baker wrote: "Oh, shut the ***** up, you self-righteous twit."
Robibnikoff wrote: "***** you, liar"
Michael Gray wrote: "You exhibit all the signs of full clinical
sociopathy, if not actual psychopathy. You need professional help, but
won't take it, as that would entail admitting that the Fuckups that
are always happening to you are YOUR fault."
Michael Gray wrote: "If you insist upon continuing to strut your
massive ego and miniscule education in alt.atheism, we'll use you for
target practice, until we get bored with your repetitious long-winded
empty-headed *****-frosted ignorance."
Michael Gray wrote: "What do you expect from a lying sack of *****?"
Raven1 wrote: "God, will you get over that fucking ego of yours
already?"
Mark K Bilbo wrote: "what you write is self-absorbed,
condescending, arrogant rife, ego masturbation. You're in love with
yourself, don't care what other people think or feel, and have the
emotional maturity of a two year old."
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All atheists are not like this.
Some spiritual based atheist far surpass theists in compassion and
inner peace.
The troubling thing at alt.atheism is no one speaks out against such
illness and this IS being promoted as atheistic view.
I wrote to the president of American Atheists, I wrote to the UK
Atheists as well s a Secular Humanist Foundation and Sam Harris about
this very topic...none had the courtesy to respond.
Atheists are their own worse enemy when it comes to promoting their
cause and trampling over organized religion.
Just as the bible is a major force with theists leaving religion, the
spiritually sick, mind manacled, defiance based atheist is the best
reason that theists return to their religion.
Such wavering theists quickly come to realize that without a
foundation spirituality the atheist is sunk and rapidly head back to
their church, temple or fellowship to get away from such people.
I brought up the topic of developing a 'church of sorts' or atheist
fellowship to lend guidance and support for right living and
reinforcing the ethics morals and the ideals of atheists and secular
humanism.
I'll leave you with just a few more quotes from Panama Floyd as he
writes on the subject of developing human empathy and compassion to
support moral, ethical and right living through such a fellowship:
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Panama Floyd wrote: "The only thing I need to "support moral,
ethical and right living" is simple human empathy and compassion. That
anyone would need anything else is a mystery to me. Perhaps I'm just a
better person than they are (V)."
Panama Floyd wrote: "Then don't whine like a ***** when your butt
gets fucked,"
Panama Floyd wrote:: "...Take it (bible) and shove it up that smelly
little ***** you're using for a *****."
Panama Floyd wrote: "You're not smart enough, or brave enough to be
an atheist. Keep your idiotic dead-jew-on-a-stick, buttsuck. Fear of
it is probably the only thing keeping you from having sex with your
siblings."
Panama Floyd wrote: "Shaddap, *****. If I want your opinion, I'll
give you one."
Panama Floyd wrote:: "Go ***** yourself, Christian...Were I a violent
man, I'd advocate you all being rounded up and jailed, to keep you
from ruining other lives."
Panama Floyd wrote: "Go ***** yourself, shitstain. You come in here
and insult people-and then whine about the reception you get? *****, I
wish it caused you physical pain to be so ruthlessly stupid."
Panama Floyd wrote: "***** ya brainless fucking twat!"
Panama Floyd wrote: "***** Jesus. Your dead-jew-on-a-stick probably
never existed, and if he did, he was man-not a god. I don't take
"commands" from an illiterate, superstitious Bronze Age peasant.'
Panama Floyd: wrote: "What are *you* doing back here, you dumb *****-
assed punk? Ways of disposing with the human garbage called
"missionaries" is very definately on-topic."
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When you practice peace promotion with others you will reap inner
peace promotion...as you give so your receive.
When you practice destroying others peace, you will reap self
destruction of inner peace...as you give so your receive
This is universal truth once the prejudice of ego is stripped away.
Whether atheists, theists or Buddhists, I submit that you all drop the
pretense and lies that you have been grasping onto for entire life and
rebuild your life through a foundation of truth and testing and
regenerate yourselves into a truth based agnostic freethinker striving
to be at peace within and with all.
No, Kelsey, I stand by my statement 100% that without spiritual
values, the atheist is sunk.
Words give a glimpse of what our insides are like. Whenever we beat
down others to boost our ego we will never find the peace that we are
desperately seeking.
Destroying others to glorify our ego is not the answer my friends.
And until you change, you will continue on your mockery of a life that
can best be described as the tragedy upon humanity that manifests
itself as the defiance, based, mind manacled, spiritually sick
atheist.
Also see:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=4.0
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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21 Jun 2007 07:20:08 AM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in message
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vivapadre: "Filtering out dirty minded posters means doing away with
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V:
If I have the wrong name as author please forgive me. It can be
confusing sometimes.
Fuckin' windbag.
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21 Jun 2007 09:42:02 AM |
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On Jun 21, 8:20 am, "Big Dave" <d...@houston.r.r.com> wrote:
"V" <v...@aol.com> wrote in message
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vivapadre: "Filtering out dirty minded posters means doing away with
alt.atheism."
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V:
If I have the wrong name as author please forgive me. It can be
confusing sometimes.
Fuckin' windbag.
# 2217
You only just noticed..?
PDW, at work, so be vewwy, vewwy, quite..
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22 Jun 2007 11:45:12 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:42:02 +0000, Syd M. wrote:
On Jun 21, 8:20 am, "Big Dave" <d...@houston.r.r.com> wrote:
"V" <v...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1182427838.780994.252620@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
vivapadre: "Filtering out dirty minded posters means doing away with
alt.atheism."
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V:
If I have the wrong name as author please forgive me. It can be
confusing sometimes.
Fuckin' windbag.
# 2217
You only just noticed..?
PDW, at work, so be vewwy, vewwy, quite..
Quite what?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll
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22 Jun 2007 02:10:42 PM |
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On Jun 22, 12:45 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:42:02 +0000, Syd M. wrote:
On Jun 21, 8:20 am, "Big Dave" <d...@houston.r.r.com> wrote:
"V" <v...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1182427838.780994.252620@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
vivapadre: "Filtering out dirty minded posters means doing away with
alt.atheism."
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V:
If I have the wrong name as author please forgive me. It can be
confusing sometimes.
Fuckin' windbag.
# 2217
You only just noticed..?
PDW, at work, so be vewwy, vewwy, quite..
Quite what?
...Er, quit..? IAC, silent, don't make a sound, ect...
PDW, who's spelling is like his opinion, his own.. (With apologies to
the original auther of that..)
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22 Jun 2007 04:59:51 PM |
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:10:42 -0700, "Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com>
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- Refer: <1182539442.529947.31930@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
On Jun 22, 12:45 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:42:02 +0000, Syd M. wrote:
On Jun 21, 8:20 am, "Big Dave" <d...@houston.r.r.com> wrote:
"V" <v...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1182427838.780994.252620@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
vivapadre: "Filtering out dirty minded posters means doing away with
alt.atheism."
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V:
If I have the wrong name as author please forgive me. It can be
confusing sometimes.
Fuckin' windbag.
# 2217
You only just noticed..?
PDW, at work, so be vewwy, vewwy, quite..
Quite what?
..Er, quit..? IAC, silent, don't make a sound, ect...
PDW, who's spelling is like his opinion, his own.. (With apologies to
the original auther of that..)
Elmer Fodd
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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22 Jun 2007 03:54:04 PM |
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:10:42 -0700, Syd M. wrote:
On Jun 22, 12:45 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:42:02 +0000, Syd M. wrote:
On Jun 21, 8:20 am, "Big Dave" <d...@houston.r.r.com> wrote:
"V" <v...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1182427838.780994.252620@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
vivapadre: "Filtering out dirty minded posters means doing away
with alt.atheism."
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
V:
If I have the wrong name as author please forgive me. It can be
confusing sometimes.
Fuckin' windbag.
# 2217
You only just noticed..?
PDW, at work, so be vewwy, vewwy, quite..
Quite what?
..Er, quit..? IAC, silent, don't make a sound, ect...
Not quite. <G>
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll
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21 Jun 2007 12:44:21 PM |
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On Jun 21, 8:10 am, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
snip
2nd request.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/541557daee7aaac1?dmode=source&hl=en
-PF
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| User: "raven1" |
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21 Jun 2007 04:06:03 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 05:10:38 -0700, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
As they say in the 12 step groups...if you talk the talk you must walk
the walk for the talk to be of any worth.
Or as i say
Knowledge is useless without application Michelle.
But Michelle does not have it inside her to give to others, so she can
offer nothing concrete.
As usual, your complete lack of self-awareness is genuinely
priceless...
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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22 Jun 2007 12:15:21 AM |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 05:10:38 -0700, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
As they say in the 12 step groups...if you talk the talk you must walk
the walk for the talk to be of any worth.
Or as i say
Knowledge is useless without application Michelle.
What the hell are you babbling about? You deleted
whatever you were referring to.
But Michelle does not have it inside her to give to others, so she can
offer nothing concrete.
Your lack of knowledge about me says a lot about
your elevated opinion of yourself.
As usual, your complete lack of self-awareness is genuinely
priceless...
And, you know this how? Did you suddenly become
a telepath? Or, is this your way to get back at people
pointing out your own character flaws? Instead of
improving yourself, you attack those who disagree
with you about anything. Remember, you came to
alt.atheism spewing your own self-importance, telling
us what we should or shouldn't believe and how we
should or shouldn't live. Who the hell are you to tell
anyone anything?
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^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
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When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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21 Jun 2007 08:41:20 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 05:10:38 -0700, V wrote:
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She is the most senior member at alt.atshism
Says who? You? She doesn't.
and their guiding light so
to speak. (Or is it Mark K. Bilbo who bills himself as the host of
alt.atheism?)
You're such an idiot. I "host" the website. Nobody "hosts" the newsgroup.
This is Usenet dolt.
Either way lets look at both of them so we can be fair.
As if you're capable of such.
<snip>
Authenticity is what is missing in Michelle's life.
You arrogant *****. Mickey is a million times more authentic than your
fake, pretentious self.
In Mark K. Bilbo, he is most authentic in is filth and hatred.
But he is missing 'rightness' in the equation for his authenticity to
provide peace in his life.
Blah blah blah.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=342.0
Yeah, V thinks everything he craps on any online forum or newsgroup to be
the very wisdom the ages. Oh if we could all only be like V.
Though that apparently would require large amounts of alcohol over an
extended period of time.
I have been shown much discrimination over the years online and do not
wish to discriminate against anyone.
You have NOt been discriminated against. You willfully provoke online
groups, break the rules and conventions, and get the negative reactions
you crave. Your florid prose can't hide that you're nothing but a troll
who enjoys causing trouble.
Besides, the filth and hatred provide you a glimpse to what's inside
that person.
Better than being a drunk like you.
It also shows theists what is in store for them if they lose their
'faith'
In a liquor bottle like you?
Whenever you council a theist that decided spiritual values are useless,
send them over to their new home at alt,atheism so they may develop
values of the 'BAAWA' variety.
Please do.
Just as the bible is a major reason for people losing faith...the mind
manacled, spiritually sick, defiant based, hate filled atheist is a
major reason for people returning to religion and the spiritual life.
Which explains why the numbers of atheists and other non-believers are
rising eh?
Sure, religion has many questions and require faith and is by no means
perfect.
But the alternative will only produce a 'perfect' haggard shell of a
human, stewing in their own putrid stew of hatred and ill will called
the dogmatic atheist.
....My discussion of this topic from an earlier post.
Always and endlessly. How many hours a day do you spend collecting your
own words?
Sheesh. No wonder you're a drunk.
AA#2
And that's still not yours...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Warned you we tried! Listen you did not! Now screwed
we will all be!"
http://www.sequentialpictures.com/moviestarwarsepisode3.html
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21 Jun 2007 09:56:57 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:41:20 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 05:10:38 -0700, V wrote:
<snip>
She is the most senior member at alt.atshism
Says who? You? She doesn't.
and their guiding light so
to speak. (Or is it Mark K. Bilbo who bills himself as the host of
alt.atheism?)
You're such an idiot. I "host" the website. Nobody "hosts" the newsgroup.
This is Usenet dolt.
There are several regulars who were here before Mickey. I've been here
since 1991 and Merlyn since 1990.
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:56:57 -0400, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:41:20 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 05:10:38 -0700, V wrote:
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She is the most senior member at alt.atshism
Says who? You? She doesn't.
and their guiding light so
to speak. (Or is it Mark K. Bilbo who bills himself as the host of
alt.atheism?)
You're such an idiot. I "host" the website. Nobody "hosts" the
newsgroup. This is Usenet dolt.
There are several regulars who were here before Mickey. I've been here
since 1991 and Merlyn since 1990.
I know there's folks that have been around pretty much since the ng was
created.
Mickey's never made a *single *claim that V has attributed to her.
I don't think she wastes much time posting to him at all...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Warned you we tried! Listen you did not! Now screwed
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V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in
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Subject: "Filtering out dirty minded posters means doing away with
alt.atheism."
Dirt is in the mind of the reader, not in the honest invective of the
writer.
If their words give thee offense, cut off thine ears, gouge out thine eyes,
for it is thine own fault and failing.
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V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in
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Subject: "Filtering out dirty minded posters means doing away with
alt.atheism."
Dirt is in the mind of the reader, not in the honest invective of the
writer.
If their words give thee offense, cut off thine ears, gouge out thine eyes,
for it is thine own fault and failing.
(Philippians 4:6-7 NASB)
6 ?a?Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by ?b?prayer and
supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.
7 And ?a?the peace of God, which surpasses all ?1?comprehension,
will ?b?guard your hearts and your ?c?minds in ?d?Christ Jesus.
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4:6 Is it really possible for a Christian to be anxious for nothing? It is
possible as long as we have the resource of believing prayer. The rest of
the verse goes on to explain how our lives can be free from sinful
fretting. Everything should be taken to the Lord in prayer. Everything
means everything. There is nothing too great or small for His loving care!
Prayer is both an act and an atmosphere. We come to the Lord at specific
times and bring specific requests before Him. But it is also possible to
live in an atmosphere of prayer. It is possible that the mood of our life
should be a prayerful mood. Perhaps the word prayer in this verse signifies
the overall attitude of our life, whereas supplication signifies the
specific requests which we bring to the Lord.
But then we should notice that our requests should be made known to God
with thanksgiving. Someone has summarized the verse as saying that we
should be “anxious in nothing, prayerful in everything, thankful for
anything.”
4:7 If these attitudes characterize our lives, the peace of God, which
surpasses all understanding, will guard our hearts and minds through Christ
Jesus. The peace of God is a sense of holy repose and complacency which
floods the soul of the believer when he is leaning hard upon God.
Stayed upon Jehovah,
Hearts are fully blessed;
Finding, as He promised,
Perfect peace and rest.
—Frances Ridley Havergal
gThis peace surpasses all understanding. People of the world cannot
understand it at all, and even Christians possessing it find a wonderful
element of mystery about it. They are surprised at their own lack of
anxiety in the face of tragedy or adverse circumstances.
This peace garrisons the heart and the thought life. What a needed tonic it
is, then, in this day of neuroses, nervous breakdowns, tranquilizers, and
mental distress.
[2]
THE KEY TO BEING CAREFREE
A Topical Study of
Philippians 4:4–7
A godly man and a good king, Hezekiah loved the Lord and had a deep walk
with Him. Nevertheless, he found himself in real difficulty when he heard
that Sennacherib and his million-man Assyrian army were marching toward
Jerusalem. The inventors of the siege strategy and the battering ram, the
Assyrians had been unbeatable in battle, and unparalleled in brutality.
So what does Hezekiah do?
First, he tries to solve his problem financially by attempting to bribe
Sennacherib with the gold of the temple. His plan, of course, backfired
because the sight of the gold only increased Sennacherib’s determination to
plunder Jerusalem. (2 Kings 18)
Hezekiah’s next plan was to build an alliance with Egypt. “You guys have
horses and soldiers and military might at your disposal,” he said. “Ally
with us because if Sennacherib beats us, you’ll be next.”
At that moment, Isaiah the prophet comes on the scene and thunders a
prophecy in the ears of Hezekiah:
Woe to the rebellious children, saith the Lord, that take counsel, but not
of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may
add sin to sin: That walk to go down into Egypt, and have not asked at my
mouth; to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh, and to trust in
the shadow of Egypt! For thus saith the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel;
In returning and rest shall ye be saved; in quietness and in confidence
shall be your strength: and ye would not. Isaiah 30:1, 2, 15
In other words, “What God wants from you in this crisis, in this hour of
need is to return to Him, to wait on Him, to be quiet before Him.”
I wonder if there are good men and women sitting here today who, feeling
pressure relationally or vocationally, in ministry or financially, are
saying “Help me!” to this counselor, or “Save me!” to that group—when all
along the Lord would say, “First and foremost, come to Me.”
“Oh, I don’t have time to pray,” we say. “I’m late for my counseling
appointment. I don’t have time to seek the Lord. I’ve got to strip the
temple of gold to pay off Sennacherib.”
Yet all the while, Paul says we are not to be anxious, not to be full of
care about anything. His, however, is not merely a “Don’t worry, be happy”
maxim, for he goes on to tell us how.…
Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with
thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. Philippians 4:6
“Prayer” refers to general communion with God; “supplication” to specific
requests. Thus, Paul is saying, “Be anxious about nothing. Pray about
everything. Give thanks for anything.”
“That’s easy for Paul,” you say. “His prayers were always answered the way
he wanted.”
Really? Check out what he said to the Romans…
Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ’s sake, and for the
love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God
for me; that I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea;
and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the
saints; that I may come unto you with joy by the will of God, and may with
you be refreshed.
Romans 15:30–32
As he comes to the end of his letter to the Romans, Paul says, “Pray with
me—first that I may be delivered from my enemies in Jerusalem; second, that
my service may be accepted by the Christians; and finally, that I may come
to you at Rome with joy.”
But what happened? Paul was captured by his enemies in Jerusalem. His
ministry was not readily accepted by the saints. And the only way he made
it to Rome was as a prisoner.
Here’s the deal, gang: God can say “Yes” to my prayers, or He can say “No.”
Either way, it’s an answer. How many, many times I have said, “Here’s my
supplication, Father…” only to see that, down the road, what takes place is
a whole lot better than what I asked for.
“If your child asks for bread, which of you would give him a stone?” asked
Jesus. “Or if he wants a fish, who of you would give him a scorpion?” (see
Luke 11:11, 12). Sometimes we think we’re asking for salmon, but the Lord
recognizes it as a scorpion. Sometimes we cry for bread, but the Lord sees
it’s a boulder—and He loves us too much to give us something that would
hurt us.
So what are we to do? We’re to make our request—and then rest in God’s
peace, a peace that passes our understanding (Philippians 4:7). We say,
“Lord, I choose to not wring my hands and try to figure out how I can strip
the temple or ally with Egypt. I choose to return to You, to rest in You,
to worry about nothing, to pray about everything, and to be thankful for
anything You decide to do.”
And what happens may just blow your mind. Ask Hezekiah.…
“Seek the Lord,” Isaiah said. And Hezekiah did just that—even as
Sennacherib continued to march. Things looked ominous, when suddenly,
hearing of a new war breaking out, Sennacherib diverted his troops to an
uprising northeast of Jerusalem. But that didn’t keep Sennacherib’s
general, Rabshakeh, from firing off a letter to Hezekiah that said, “If you
think we’re through with you, you’re sadly mistaken. We will not be stopped
from destroying Jerusalem” (see 2 Kings 18).
Ever get a letter like that? Intimidating, threatening, disheartening?
“Service will be suspended in five days unless…”
This time, however, Hezekiah didn’t say, “Oh no! What am I going to do? Who
can I call?” No, having heard the Word from Isaiah, Hezekiah took
Rabshakeh’s letter, went into the temple, opened it before the Lord, and
said, “Lord, I’m giving this to You,” as he began to worship the One who
dwells above all, the One who is greater than all (2 Kings 19).
Here on earth, things seem so big. Our mountains tower 29,028 feet above
us, and the depths of the Mariana Trench plunge 36,198 feet below us. But
from space, our planet looks perfectly smooth. In fact, if our earth was
shrunk to the size of a bowling ball, a brand-new unused bowling ball would
have more grooves and valleys and peaks than would our earth. It’s all a
matter of perspective.
When, like Hezekiah, you get above the situation, suddenly the problems
that loomed so greatly and threatened so menacingly take on entirely
different dimensions proportionately, for as the story goes on, Isaiah
comes to Hezekiah, saying, “The Lord has spoken that not one person in
Jerusalem shall be harmed. In fact, not one arrow shall enter the city.”
The Assyrians did, indeed, come. As was their custom, they surrounded the
city. All it would have taken to nullify Isaiah’s prophecy was one soldier
to take one arrow and fire it over the wall. But none did. The Assyrians
set up their camp around the city, 185,000 soldiers strong. But that night,
an angel of the Lord came and smote the Assyrians before even one man could
string his bow. One hundred eighty-five thousand men were wiped out in a
way Hezekiah could never have orchestrated or predicted, in a way no
counselor could have directed, in a way no book would have addressed.
That’s the way of the Lord. So what does He say to you and me today? “Take
your cares and turn them into prayer.” We all know this—but do we do it? Do
we leave our anxieties and concerns with the Lord—or even as we read these
words, are we wondering who we can get to help us in the problem facing us?
Right now, I ask you to find a scrap of paper and write on it that which
concerns you today. It could be a relational stress, a ministry matter, a
financial pressure, a family issue.
After you write it down, spread it before the Lord and say,
“Lord here it is. Like Hezekiah, I hear the footsteps and hoof beats of the
mighty Assyrians headed my way. But instead of trying to take them on
myself or ally with others, I choose to thank You for whatever You want to
do in this situation. These are the matters that weigh me down, Lord. Free
me of this burden as I lift it up to You.”
Do this, saint, and you will experience the peace of God that comes not
from your understanding, but which passes your understanding—a peace that
will stop the Assyrians in their tracks, and that will leave you rejoicing
in the goodness of your Father.
[3]
“Be careful for nothing” is sometimes translated: Be anxious for nothing,
or not overly anxious. The fact of the matter is that Paul seems to be
making a play upon two indefinite pronouns: nothing and everything. Let me
give you my translation, which I call the McGee-icus Ad Absurdum. It goes
like this: “Worry about nothing; pray about everything.” Prayer is the
secret of power.
“Worry about nothing.” In verse 4 we were given one of the new commandments
God has given us: Rejoice. Now here is another commandment. Worry about
nothing; pray about everything.
Nothing is a very interesting word. If you have something, it’s not
nothing—that is not correct grammar, but it is an accurate statement.
Nothing is nothing, and you are to worry about nothing. Does this mean we
are to look at life through rose-colored glasses, that we are not to face
reality? Are we to believe that sin is not real, that sickness is not real,
that problems are not real? Are we to ignore these things? No. Paul says
that we are to worry about nothing because we are to pray about everything.
Nothing is the most exclusive word in the English language. It leaves out
everything. “Worry about nothing.” I confess that this is a commandment I
sometimes break—I worry.
But the reason we are to worry about nothing is because we are to pray
about everything. This means that we are to talk to the Lord about
everything in our lives. Nothing should be left out. Some years ago, I am
told, a dowager in Philadelphia came to Dr. G. Campbell Morgan with this
question, “Dr. Morgan, do you think we should pray about the little things
in our lives?” Dr. Morgan in his characteristically British manner said,
“Madam, can you mention anything in your life that is big to God?” When we
say that we take our big problems to God, what do we mean? They are all
little stuff to Him. And what we call little He wants us to bring to Him
also. As believers we need to get in the habit of bringing everything to
Him in prayer—nothing excluded. When I go on a trip in my car and it
involves several hours of driving, I invite the Lord Jesus to go along with
me. I talk to Him and tell Him everything about Vernon McGee, things I
wouldn’t tell you or anyone else. I tell Him everything. I think we ought
to learn to do that. We ought to pray about everything.
Let me share with you an admonition by Fenelon, one of the mystics of the
Middle Ages, which seems to encompass what Paul meant when he said, “Pray
about everything.”
Tell God all that is in your heart, as one unloads one’s heart, its
pleasures and its pains, to a dear friend. Tell Him your troubles, that He
may comfort you; tell Him your joys, that He may sober them; tell Him your
longings, that He may purify them; tell Him your dislikes, that He may help
you to conquer them; talk to Him of your temptations, that He may shield
you from them; show Him the wounds of your heart, that He may heal them;
lay bare your indifference to good, your depraved tastes for evil, your
instability. Tell Him how self-love makes you unjust to others, how vanity
tempts you to be insincere, how pride disguises you to yourself as to
others.
If you thus pour out all your weaknesses, needs, troubles, there will be no
lack of what to say. You will never exhaust the subject. It is continually
being renewed. People who have no secrets from each other never want
subjects of conversation. They do not weigh their words, for there is
nothing to be held back; neither do they seek for something to say. They
talk out of the abundance of the heart, without consideration, just what
they think. Blessed are they who attain to such familiar, unreserved
intercourse with God.
For many years I have carried this quotation in my Bible, and every now and
then I take it out and read it.
Maybe you think it sounds very pious when I am willing to testify that I
take my burdens to the Lord in prayer. I must confess that after I spread
everything out before Him, when I finish praying, I pick it all right back
up, put the problems back on my shoulders, and start out with the burden
again. That is my problem. The Lord wants us to trust Him so that we worry
about nothing, pray about everything. I wish I could say to you that I’m as
free as the bird in the trees, free as the bees gathering honey. That’s the
way He wants us to be.
We have a mockingbird in our yard. He gets my fruit, but I feel it is right
for me to pay him something for the song he sings for me in the night. Now,
actually, he isn’t singing for me. I don’t think he cares much whether I
hear him or not. But he has a mate sitting on some eggs, and it would be a
pretty boring job to sit on a bunch of eggs. So this mockingbird sings to
his wife all during the night. The other morning I awakened around two
o’clock, and, my, how he was singing to her! How lovely. While sitting
outside on my patio I noticed this mockingbird. He looked at me with
disdain, flew right over to my apricot tree and started to eat apricots. He
never asked me for permission to eat. He is free. He doesn’t worry about
finding something to eat. He knows those apricots will be there for him. My
friend, do we really trust God like that? Worry about nothing and pray
about everything.
“With thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.” Paul never
lets prayer become a leap in the dark. It rests on a foundation. “So then
faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God” (Rom. 10:17).
Prayer rests on faith, and faith rests on the Word of God. Now he says that
when you go to God with a request, thank Him. Thank Him right then and
there.
I know some commentators who interpret this to mean that when you get your
answer to your prayer, you are to go back and thank God. Well, that’s not
what Paul said. Paul was able to express himself in the most versatile
language which has ever been in the world, the Greek language, and he was
able to say what he wanted to say. What he says is that when you make your
requests, right there and then you are to thank God for hearing and
answering your prayer.
Now perhaps you are thinking, But maybe God won’t answer my prayer. I have
many unanswered prayers. My Christian friend, I do not believe that you
have unanswered prayers, and I think you ought to be ashamed of yourself
for saying that you have a heavenly Father who won’t hear and answer your
prayers. You may have prayed for a certain thing and didn’t get it, but you
did get an answer to your prayer.
Let me illustrate this with a very homely illustration. My dad was not a
Christian, but he was a good dad. He ran a cotton gin, and the machine
would always be running. I would go in there when I was a little fellow and
ask for a nickel for candy. He would reach down in his pocket and give me a
nickel. One time I asked him for a bicycle. He said he couldn’t afford it,
and the answer was “No.” I can tell you today that I never made a request
of him that he didn’t hear and answer. Most of the time the answer was no.
Actually, my dad’s no was more positive than his yes. His no ended the
discussion. In fact, I have never understood young folk today who keep on
arguing with their parents after the parents have handed down a decision.
When my dad said, “No,” that was the end of the discussion. I have learned
now that the wise reply to most of my requests was no, although I did not
think so at the time. But the fact is that he gave an answer to my every
request.
God has a lot of spoiled children. When He says no to them, they pout and
say, “I have unanswered prayers.” You don’t have unanswered prayers. God
always hears and answers your prayers.
You can take anything to God in prayer, the big things and the little
things. How can you sort them out? They are all little things to God. Let
me give you another homely illustration. At the time of the building of the
Panama Canal, after two or three failures, when the successful project was
under way they wanted to go right through with it, and so the crew had no
vacations. To compensate for it, the workers’ families were sent down to be
with them. So a certain young engineer, his wife and little son were sent
down. Because of the danger of malaria, they were put out on a houseboat.
Every afternoon that young engineer could be seen rowing himself out to the
houseboat. One evening he had those long blueprints all spread out while
his little son with his toy wagon was playing at his feet. Suddenly the
child began to cry. A wheel had come off his wagon. The little fellow had
worked with it and tried his best to put it back, but it was a hopeless
project for him. Now would you think that the dad would shush him and put
him out of the room—maybe tell the mother to come and get him because he
was disturbing his work? No. He just laid aside the blueprints of that
great canal, picked up his little boy and asked him what was the matter.
The youngster held up his wagon in one hand and the wheel in the other. The
father took the wheel and put it on the wagon with just one twist of the
wrist. He kissed away the little fellow’s fears and put him back on the
floor where he played happily. He was a good father.
Now, my friend, it is God who put that father instinct deep down in the
human heart of man because He is a compassionate Father. When a wheel comes
off your wagon, it may look like an impossible problem to you, but He will
hear and answer your cry. If He says no, it is because that is the best
answer you could have. After I lost my human father, I lived several years
before I turned to God and found that I had a heavenly Father. I learned
that I can go to Him with my requests, and He answers me, as my human
father used to do. And many times His answers are no.
When I was a young pastor in Texas, just married, I went to a certain city
to candidate in a church. It was considered a strategic, outstanding
church. After I’d preached twice that Sunday, I was given a call by the
church. Then later they had to come back and tell me that the denomination
would not permit them to call me. As I said, it was a strategic church and
they needed a church politician there—which I was not. I didn’t go into the
ministry for that purpose. But I felt that the Lord had made a great
mistake by not letting me go to that church as pastor. Several years ago
Mrs. McGee and I went by that church just to see it. It had gone into
liberalism. Things have happened there that I’ll not mention. I said to
her, “Do you remember years ago when I thought I should have had the call
for that church?” She said, “Yes.” Then I said, “I thank God that He heard
and answered my prayer the right way—not the way I prayed it.” I can look
back and remember how I had cried to the Lord. I told Him how He had failed
me and caused me to miss the greatest opportunity I ever had. Oh, I blamed
Him, and I found fault with Him, and I actually scolded Him because He
didn’t seem to know what was the best for me! He had shut that door so
tight that the resounding slam was in my ears for several years after that.
My friend, my heavenly Father had answered my prayer, and, I am ashamed of
the fact that I did not thank Him at the time. My advice to you is this:
Instead of saying that God has not answered your prayers, say, “My heavenly
Father heard my prayer, but He told me no, which was the right answer.” We
are to let our “requests be made known unto God with thanksgiving.”
And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your
hearts and minds through Christ Jesus [Phil. 4:7].
The Scripture speaks of other kinds of peace which we can understand. There
is world peace. We have the assurance that someday peace will cover the
earth as the waters cover the sea. It will come through the person of
Christ, the Prince of Peace. Also there is the peace that comes when sins
are forgiven. “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God
through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Rom. 5:1). Then there is the peace that is
tranquility. The Lord Jesus said, “Peace I leave with you, my peace I give
unto you …” (John 14:27). That is a marvelous peace, but it is not “the
peace … which passeth all understanding.” I do not know how to tell you
this, but I do know it is a peace in which we do not live at all times. I
think it is a peace that sweeps over our souls at certain times. I stood on
the big island of Hawaii and looked out at a sunset with Mauna Kea, that
great snowcapped mountain out there in the tropics, in the foreground. As I
looked at the majesty of God’s creation, what a peace came to me. I can’t
tell you what it was—it “passeth all understanding.” And that same peace
came when my heavenly Father let me have cancer. I went to the hospital
frightened to death, and then the night I committed it all to him and told
Him I wanted to know He was real, He made Himself real and that peace that
“passeth all understanding” flooded my soul. I don’t know how to tell you
what it is; I can only say that it is wonderful.
This peace “shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.” There
are those who say that prayer changes things. I can’t argue with that;
prayer does change things. But that is not the primary purpose of prayer.
Notice that we entered this passage in anxiety, with worry, and we come out
of the passage with peace. Between the two was prayer. Have things changed?
Not really. The storm may still be raging, the waves still rolling high,
the thunder still resounding. Although the storm has not abated, something
has happened in the individual. Something has happened to the human soul
and the human mind. In our anxiety we want God to change everything around
us. “Give us this.” “Don’t let this happen.” “Open up this door.” We should
be praying, “Oh, God, change me.” Prayer is the secret of power. We enter
with worry, we can come out in peace.
Joy is the source of power; prayer is the secret of power.
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a Matt 6:25
b Eph 6:18; 1 Tim 2:1; 5:5
a Is 26:3; John 14:27; Phil 4:9; Col 3:15
1 Lit mind
b 1 Pet 1:5
c 2 Cor 10:5
d Phil 1:1; 4:19, 21
[1]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Php 4:6-7). LaHabra,
CA: The Lockman Foundation.
[2]MacDonald, W., & Farstad, A. (1997, c1995). Believer's Bible Commentary
: Old and New Testaments (Php 4:6). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
[3]Courson, J. (2003). Jon Courson's Application Commentary (1294).
Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson.
[4]McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru
the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (5:322-325). Nashville: Thomas
Nelson.
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