On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:57:31 GMT, "J.W."
<J.W.@hw61.com> spake thusly:

Pastor Dave <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
news:c8cad1dhbmusns90v538ipgq8l58dvtiv6@4ax.com:

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:41:47 GMT, "J.W."
<J.W.@hw61.com> spake thusly:

No, let's not. I said that we will have this discussion one on one
via e- mail or not at all. Or didn't your read that post?

I read it fine. And I chose to post here. As you
said, "I also post for the benefit of others".

I guess it is only okay for YOU to do that, right?

I guess it is only okay to post messages publicly,
if they leave out half the Gospel, right?

You go ahead and ignore the Scriptures and
claim that I am trying to get you to believe as
I do.

The reality is, I have never asked you to believe
what I tell you. I have only asked you to acknowledge
the Scriptures and to do what they say and to stop
telling me how someone isn't acting Christian, if they
come down on someone like Ninure.

According to you, Jesus was not following God's
way of dealing with people.

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts
of your father ye will do." - John 8:44a

We are we told throughout scripture to answer
others about our faith with "meekness" and
"gentleness." (See 2 Timothy 2:25; Titus 3:2;
1 Peter 3:15.) This is why I gently suggested
that she couldn't read well, rather than spew
some hurtful epithet.

That is addressing people who ask about our faith.
Not heretics who claim to be of our faith and who
try to pervert our faith. You are trying to apply
a Scripture to everyone, that does not apply
to everyone.

Besides - and take careful note here - I'm not
just talking to Ninure.

You are talking to Ninure. Your message was
to her.

I'm talking to all those who may care to read
the thread. Even if it is true what you say
about Ninure (and I won't judge that right now),
you cannot categorically say the same about
everyone else who reads the thread. All posts
inside a thread are opportunites to witness.

That's a copout and you're trying to weasel out
of the facts I presented. By your logic, when
someone claims to be a Christian and says that
rape is okay, you should be kind to them,
because after all, others are reading. By your
logic, Jesus did the wrong thing, since other
people heard what He was saying...

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts
of your father ye will do." - John 8:44a


(re: I guess Jesus wasn't acting as God commands)

I would never say that about Jesus.

You do, when you write to me about my behavior,
when I have done the same thing He did, to those
who claimed to be of God and were perverting
the Scriptures.

But he saw his audience face to face.

So if you can't see them face to face, then just
pretend that they're okay. Gotcha.

He knew the sum total of people to whom
he addressed his message.

Copout. I do not need to be Jesus, to know
what someone has witnessed about themselves.

Then let's look at what Jesus said and let's cover
all three possible scenarios...

John 3:17-19

17) For God sent not his Son into the world
to condemn the world; but that the world
through him might be saved.
18) He that believeth on him is not condemned:
but he that believeth not is condemned already,
because he hath not believed in the name of
the only begotten Son of God.
19) And this is the condemnation, that light is
come into the world, and men loved darkness
rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Ninure does not believe on the Lord. That is
clear, since it involves more than just saying
that she does. Jesus said she is condemned.

But even if you think she does believe on
the Lord, then the following would apply
and consider that trespassing against us,
is also by spreading falsehoods in the church,
which is the body of believers...

Matthew 18:15-17

15) Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against
thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and
him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained
thy brother.
16) But if he will not hear thee, then take with
thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two
or three witnesses every word may be established.
17) And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto
the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let
him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.

And even if you realize that she is not a sister
in Christ, she claims to be one and teaches
perversion as righteousness with God and
that makes her a heretic...

Titus 3:10-11

10) A man that is a heretic after the first
and second admonition reject;
11) Knowing that he that is such is subverted,
and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

No matter how you look at it, the Scripture
does not teach kindness to her. In fact,
you should read the following as well...

2 Corinthians 6:14-18

14) Be ye not unequally yoked together with
unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness
with unrighteousness? and what communion hath
light with darkness?
15) And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or
what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16) And what agreement hath the temple of God
with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God;
as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in
them; and I will be their God, and they shall be
my people.
17) Wherefore come out from among them, and
be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the
unclean thing; and I will receive you.
18) And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be
my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Note: Separate yourself from them and then
God will receive you. It's an "IF, THEN" statement.