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20 Jun 2004 08:24:27 AM |
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Fixed in the Memory of the Race |
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Sitaram writes:
When I was in 7th grade, we were assigned by our science teacher with the
delightful task of reading Rachael Carson's "The Sea Around Us."
Several years ago, moved by feelings of nostalgea, I purchased a paperback
edition of her book (Oxford University Press, ISBN 0-19-506997-8).
What I read in Part I, Chapter 5, "Hidden Lands" sparked my imagination
concerning the possiblility of some primordial ancestral memory producing
something such as the account of the Lost City of Atlantis
or even the expulsion of Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden!
I was immediately reminded of the documentary "The Journey of Man" by
geneticist Spencer Wells (see below).
The Journey of Man is replete with astonishing information. Wells tells us that
we can trace our origins back to a single Adam and Eve, but that Eve came first
by some 80,000 years. We hear how the male Y-chromosome has been used to trace
the spread of humanity from Africa into Eurasia, why differing racial types
emerged when mountain ranges split population groups, and that the San Bushmen
of the Kalahari have some of the oldest genetic markers in the world. We learn,
finally with absolute certainty, that Neanderthals are not our ancestors and
that the entire genetic diversity of Native Americans can be accounted for by
just ten individuals.
Why did humans leave Africa? Were they driven out - or just curious about what
lay beyond? Paleoclimatologists believe an Ice Age began about 72,000 years
ago, causing a drought in Africa. Humans - and their prey - had to move to
survive.
We may easily see the Biblical Garden of Eden story in Genesis as an expression
of the primordial memory of the easy life of the food gatherer in a tropical
paradise. Perhaps climatic changes bring cold or draught. The food gathers
are cast out of this paradise and forced to migrate unimaginable distances, and
work much harder to eek out their sustinance and survival.
Rachael Carson wrote in Part I, Chapter 5, "Hidden Lands": Like other legends
deeply rooted in fokelore, the Atlantis story may have in it an element of
truth. in the shadowy beginnings of human life on earth, primitive men here
and there must have had knowledge of the sinking of an island or a peninsula,
perhaps not with the dramatic suddenness attributed to Atlantis, but well
within the time one man could observe. The witnesses of such a happening would
have described it to their neighbors and children, and so the legend of a
sinking continent might have been born.
Such a lost land lies today beneath the waters of the North Sea. Only a few
scores of thousands of years ago, the Dogger Bank was dry land, but now the
fishermen drag their nets over this famed fishing ground, catching cod and hake
and flounders among the drowned tree trunks.
During the Pleistocene, when immense quantities of water were withdrawn from
the ocean and locked up in the glaciers, the floor of the North Sea emerged and
for a time became land. It was a low, wet land, covered with peat bogs; then
little by little the forests from the neighboring high lands must have moved
in, for there were willows and birches growing among the mosses and ferns.
Animals moved down from the mainland and became established on this land
recently won from the sea. There were bears and wolves and hyenas, the wild o,
the bison, the woolly mammouth. Primitive men moved through the forests,
carrying crude stone instruments; they stalked deer and other game and with
their flints grubbed up the roots of the damp forest.
Then as the glaciers began to retreat and floods from the melting ice poured
into the sea and raised its level, this land became an island. Probably the
men escaped to the mainland before the intervening channel had beome too wide,
leaving their stone implements behind. But most of the animals remained,
perforce, and little by little their island shrank, and food became more
scarce, but there was no escape. Finally the sea covered the island, claiming
the land and all its life.
As for the men who escaped, perhaps in their primitive way they communicated
this story to other men, who passed it down to others through the ages, until
it became fixed in the memory of the race.
None of these facts were part of recorded history until, a generation ago,
European fishermen moved out into the middle of the North Sea and began to
trawl on the Dogger. They soon made out the contours of an irregular plateau
nearly as large as Denmark, lying about 60 feet under the water, but sloping
off abruptly at its edges into much deeper water. Their trawls immediately
began to bring up a great many things not found on any ordinary fishing bank.
There were loose masses of peat, which the fishermen christened "moorlog."
There were many bones, and, although the fishermen could not identify them,
they seemed to belong to large land mammals. All of these objects damaged the
nets and hindered fishing. They brought back some of the bones, some of the
moorlog and fragments of trees, and the crude stone implements. These
specimens were turned over to scientists to identify.
http://www.morien-institute.org/timaeus.html
"I will tell an old-world story which I heard from an aged man; for Critias, at
the time of telling it, was as he said, nearly ninety years of age, and I was
about ten. Now the day was that day of the Apaturia which is called the
Registration of Youth, at which, according to custom, our parents gave prizes
for recitations, and the poems of several poets were recited by us boys, and
many of us sang the poems of Solon, which at that time had not gone out of
fashion.
One of our tribe, either because he thought so or to please Critias, said that
in his judgment Solon was not only the wisest of men, but also the noblest of
poets. The old man, as I very well remember, brightened up at hearing this and
said, smiling:
Yes, Amynander, if Solon had only, like other poets, made poetry the business
of his life, and had completed the tale which he brought with him from Egypt,
and had not been compelled, by reason of the factions and troubles which he
found stirring in his own country when he came home, to attend to other
matters, in my opinion he would have been as famous as Homer or Hesiod, or any
poet.
And what was the tale about, Critias? said Amynander. About the greatest action
which the Athenians ever did, and which ought to have been the most famous,
but, through the lapse of time and the destruction of the actors, it has not
come down to us. Tell us, said the other, the whole story, and how and from
whom Solon heard this veritable tradition. He replied:
In the Egyptian Delta, at the head of which the river Nile divides, there is a
certain district which is called the district of Sais, and the great city of
the district is also called Sais, and is the city from which King Amasis came.
The citizens have a deity for their foundress; she is called in the Egyptian
tongue Neith, and is asserted by them to be the same whom the Hellenes call
Athene; they are great lovers of the Athenians, and say that they are in some
way related to them.
To this city came Solon, and was received there with great honour; he asked the
priests who were most skilful in such matters, about antiquity, and made the
discovery that neither he nor any other Hellene knew anything worth mentioning
about the times of old. On one occasion, wishing to draw them on to speak of
antiquity, he began to tell about the most ancient things in our part of the
world-about Phoroneus, who is called "the first man," and about Niobe; and
after the Deluge, of the survival of Deucalion and Pyrrha; and he traced the
genealogy of their descendants, and reckoning up the dates, tried to compute
how many years ago the events of which he was speaking happened.
Thereupon one of the priests, who was of a very great age, said: O Solon,
Solon, you Hellenes are never anything but children, and there is not an old
man among you. Solon in return asked him what he meant. I mean to say, he
replied, that in mind you are all young; there is no old opinion handed down
among you by ancient tradition, nor any science which is hoary with age. And I
will tell you why.
There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind arising out of
many causes; the greatest have been brought about by the agencies of fire and
water, and other lesser ones by innumerable other causes. There is a story,
which even you have preserved, that once upon a time Paethon, the son of
Helios, having yoked the steeds in his father's chariot, because he was not
able to drive them in the path of his father, burnt up all that was upon the
earth, and was himself destroyed by a thunderbolt.
Now this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the
bodies moving in the heavens around the earth, and a great conflagration of
things upon the earth, which recurs after long intervals; at such times those
who live upon the mountains and in dry and lofty places are more liable to
destruction than those who dwell by rivers or on the seashore. And from this
calamity the Nile, who is our never-failing saviour, delivers and preserves us.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Fixed in the Memory of the Race |
20 Jun 2004 09:27:49 AM |
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On 20 Jun 2004 13:24:27 GMT,
(SITARAM) posted thusly:
http://www.geocities.com/tulsidas_ramayan
http://www.sulekha.com/chpost.asp?forum=philosophy&show=0&cid=90341
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sitaram/message/1474
Sitaram writes:
When I was in 7th grade, we were assigned by our science teacher with the
delightful task of reading Rachael Carson's "The Sea Around Us."
Several years ago, moved by feelings of nostalgea, I purchased a paperback
edition of her book (Oxford University Press, ISBN 0-19-506997-8).
What I read in Part I, Chapter 5, "Hidden Lands" sparked my imagination
concerning the possiblility of some primordial ancestral memory producing
something such as the account of the Lost City of Atlantis
or even the expulsion of Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden!
I was immediately reminded of the documentary "The Journey of Man" by
geneticist Spencer Wells (see below).
The Journey of Man is replete with astonishing information. Wells tells us that
we can trace our origins back to a single Adam and Eve, but that Eve came first
by some 80,000 years. We hear how the male Y-chromosome has been used to trace
the spread of humanity from Africa into Eurasia, why differing racial types
emerged when mountain ranges split population groups, and that the San Bushmen
of the Kalahari have some of the oldest genetic markers in the world. We learn,
finally with absolute certainty, that Neanderthals are not our ancestors and
that the entire genetic diversity of Native Americans can be accounted for by
just ten individuals.
Why did humans leave Africa? Were they driven out - or just curious about what
lay beyond? Paleoclimatologists believe an Ice Age began about 72,000 years
ago, causing a drought in Africa. Humans - and their prey - had to move to
survive.
We may easily see the Biblical Garden of Eden story in Genesis as an expression
of the primordial memory of the easy life of the food gatherer in a tropical
paradise. Perhaps climatic changes bring cold or draught. The food gathers
are cast out of this paradise and forced to migrate unimaginable distances, and
work much harder to eek out their sustinance and survival.
Or, Genesis is true and the dates these people claim
are off.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: Fixed in the Memory of the Race |
23 Jun 2004 07:20:35 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On 20 Jun 2004 13:24:27 GMT,
(SITARAM) posted thusly:
<snip>
We may easily see the Biblical Garden of Eden story in Genesis as an
expression
of the primordial memory of the easy life of the food gatherer in a
tropical
paradise. Perhaps climatic changes bring cold or draught. The food
gathers
are cast out of this paradise and forced to migrate unimaginable
distances, and
work much harder to eek out their sustinance and survival.
Or, Genesis is true and the dates these people claim
are off.
What a wonderful example of.... grabing at straws
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
/
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it leaves the heart hungry.
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| User: "John Ings" |
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| Title: Re: Fixed in the Memory of the Race |
20 Jun 2004 10:34:04 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:27:49 -0400, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
Or, Genesis is true and the dates these people claim
are off.
Not a chance "Pastor".
There's way too much evidence from too many independent sources.
History, paleontology, archeology, anthropology, geology,
oceanography, zoology, astronomy and physics are only some of the
scientific disciplines that have come to the conclusion that Genesis
is a retreaded Babylonian myth.
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