Religions > Bible > (For Jezebel) Can Christians Fall Away from God? Paul says YES!
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13 Jan 2008 01:55:49 PM |
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(For Jezebel) Can Christians Fall Away from God? Paul says YES! |
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have
tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to
come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;
seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to
an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft
upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed,
receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is
rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
(Hebrews 6:4-8 KJV)
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| User: "Debra" |
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| Title: Re: (For Jezebel) Can Christians Fall Away from God? Paul says YES! |
13 Jan 2008 02:19:31 PM |
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On Jan 13, 11:55=EF=BF=BDam, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com=
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For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have
tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to
come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;
seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to
an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft
upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed,
receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is
rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
(Hebrews 6:4-8 KJV)
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Again Vera...Paul is false...Hebrews does not match Jeremiah 31
regarding the New Covenant.
Debra
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| User: "tevans9129" |
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13 Jan 2008 02:17:46 PM |
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On Jan 13, 1:55=A0pm, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
wrote:
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have
tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to
come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;
seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to
an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft
upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed,
receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is
rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
(Hebrews 6:4-8 KJV)
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Below is an interesting article on this subject. Hebrews 6:4 was a
verse that caused questions in my mind. It may present a different
viewpoint for you.
Q. My husband is convinced that you can lose your salvation. He
believes we are saved, but once we know better, that if we continue
sinning, we will not go to heaven. He relies on passages from Hebrews
for this. Also, that if we are caught sinning when Jesus returns..that
we will not go to Heaven. Please offer some help with this.
I believe that Jesus died for all of my sins; past, present, and
future and that I will go to heaven because i have asked Him into my
heart, asked for forgiveness, and help and I believe he was God's son,
died on the cross, and was resurrected and because of this, he paid
the price for me. I can't lose my salvation. I am very concerned,
however, about my husband's views, and that he is teaching them to
others, including our daughter. Please help me with this.
A. People who teach a conditional salvation have misunderstood several
things. The first is the nature of time. Hebrews 10:12 says that the
Lord's sacrifice was done once but that it covered all of time, past
present and future. The first part of Verse 14 says that this
sacrifice,this one event, made us perfect forever, confirming a
similar thought in 2 Cor. 5:17-21. The old has gone, the new has come.
God now chooses to see us not as we are but as we will be, as
righteous as He is.
The second part of Hebrews 10:14 describes us as being made holy,
implying a process. The sacrifice saved us, but didn't make us
completely holy. That's the ongoing work of the Holy Spirit in our
lives, which will never be complete as long as we're alive. This
implies that we're still sinners, even though saved.
And that brings me to the second thing, the nature of sin. Sin is a
terminal illness. A resurrection body is the only cure. While on Earth
believers are in remission but the illness hasn't left us. It can
flare up at any time. It only takes a surface reading of the Sermon on
the Mount (Matt. 5-7) to understand that even our thoughts of anger,
envy, or lust condemn us forever. If we could prevent ourselves from
sinning, God wouldn't have had to die for us. But knowing that we
couldn't He first died for our sins and then prescribed a remedy for
our re-occurrences, 1 John 1:9. It's there so we can restore ourselves
to righteousness, and there's no limit on its use.
The third thing they misunderstand is Hebrews 6. It was written to
Jewish Christians who were trying to maintain both New and Old
Covenant relationships. The writer explained that by trying to
maintain their relationship with God through sacrifices and offerings
they were in fact losing it because by their human effort they were
declaring the Lord's work insufficient. Hebrews 6 is not about our
salvation. It's about our fellowship. Here's a link to my study on
Hebrews 6 to help you understand this tragic mistake.
http://www.gracethrufaith.com/selah/eternal-security/youll-be-safe-here-a-co=
mmentary-on-hebrews-6
In Hebrews 4:9-11 the writer had already explained the concept of the
Sabbath rest for believers. Once the work of salvation is completed by
asking the Lord to grant it, the believer enters a life long period of
rest. Any further or ongoing effort to earn or maintain it is a
violation of the Sabbath Commandment, the penalty for which is death.
And the fourth thing is grace. Grace is an unmerited favor. Anytime
you interject any form of work into the equation, you nullify the
effect of grace. It's like any other gift. It's given out of love,
irrespective of merit. No effort is required to earn it, and none is
required to keep it. No matter what happens in the future you never
have to give it back. Your salvation is a gift of grace.
I've written a number of studies on the doctrine of Eternal Security.
You'll find them here.
http://www.gracethrufaith.com/selah/eternal-security
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