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"Bear" |
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10 Oct 2006 09:44:12 PM |
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For open-minded people willing to THINK. |
"The premise is that Jesus Christ, the God of the Christians, was an Essene
leader. The information missing from the gospels is who the Essenes were,
how they related to the other Jewish sects which do appear in the gospels,
why Jesus seemed not to be even an orthodox Essene and what it all had to do
with the Roman occupying forces.
"The synopsis which follows should give preliminary answers to these
questions enabling the reader to see the point of the preparatory material
and understand the subsequent commentary.
"Jesus was a devout Jew-he stoutly defended the law of Moses as the gospels
illogically admit. Most Jews yearned for their gentile enemies-especially
the Romans who ruled them-to be overcome so that they could be ruled as a
theocracy-a kingdom of God. They believed that God had promised them a
messiah, a great king who would drive out the gentiles allowing the promised
kingdom to begin, as an extension of heaven, on earth.
"One sect of the Jews believed this so strongly that they had separated
themselves from the ungodly to prepare the way for the messiah and begin to
create the kingdom of heaven on earth-they were the Essenes. Their community
they considered to be perfectly holy, and their members had to behave as
perfectly holy people, to be a foundation of the heavenly kingdom. But they
believed that the kingdom of God could not encompass the world until the men
of perfect holiness detected the signs of the times which announced the
acceptable day of the Lord-the day of vengeance of God-when God would avenge
the wrongs done to His people.
"When the time was right there would be a cosmic battle in which the forces
of darkness and evil would be overcome by God's miraculous intervention. The
duty of the Essenes was to watch for the signs and lead out the saints,
those who were perfectly holy, against the forces of darkness-the Romans and
their allies, sinful Jewish collaborators.
"When the signs indicated that God was ready to create His kingdom on earth,
most Jews, being children of Israel, the chosen people of God, would revert
from sinfulness to godliness-they were the simple of Ephraim, Jews who had
been misled by their pragmatic and collaborating leaders-the Pharisees.
"But though Essenes had the secrets of discerning the signs of the times, it
was not a perfect art because heaven had not yet arrived, and the Essenes
had to send out leaders with the mission of converting the simple of
Ephraim. The success of these missionaries would itself be an important sign
of the coming kingdom.
"The men sent on this essential mission were senior figures in the Essene
hierarchy. Jesus was such a man and so was John the Baptist. They had to
urge the simple of Ephraim to prepare for the coming kingdom. Jesus was the
nasi, the prince of Israel, a leader in the Davidic mold who would convert
sinful Jews and assert the authority of God's righteous.
"Only "the righteous" could enter the kingdom so sinful Jews had to repent
sincerely, ritually purify themselves through baptism and prepare for the
coming battle. In his acts of conversion, the nasi was metaphorically
casting out evil spirits, making the blind see and healing the sick. Those
who were thus purified could enter the kingdom and were the soldiers in the
messianic army. The nasi represented the messiah but could make no claim to
be him, the appointment being God's alone at the end time.
"If the nasi were successful than the kingdom was nigh, and if the sum of
the signs were such that the acceptable day of the Lord was imminent then
the forces of light would engage the forces of darkness, precipitating the
cosmic battle for the kingdom. Then one like unto the Son of man, who the
prophet Daniel told would come on a cloud from God-probably the archangel
Michael with a heavenly host riding out of the Mount of Olives as it cleaved
east and west-would arrive to institute the kingdom. Essenes felt that God
only helped those who help themselves and the kingdom of God had to be won
by the righteous taking on their enemies, then God would intervene with a
miracle.
"Jesus was appointed nasi by John the Baptist. After initial successes
recruiting the simple, the authorities caught on and hounded them, the
Nazarenes were seen as a liability, many followers asked Jesus and his
generals to leave them alone and they had to flee from Antipas's soldiers to
Phonicia.
"Jesus hid, then ventured back into Antipas's country. He was still certain
the signs were correct but had come to believe that God wanted him to
capture Jerusalem and the temple and that to inaugurate the kingdom of God
he was required to play the role of the messiah, Melchizedek. Then God would
intervene with a miracle. His disciples crowned him Melchizedek-he was
transfigured!
"His band proceeded to Jerusalem with Jews traveling for the coming
Passover. No one could address him by any title that might draw attention to
the spies of the authorities. Outside the city the Nazarenes overcame the
inadequate Jerusalem garrison and Jesus purposely revealed himself by
fulfilling the prophesy of Zechariah-entering the city on a foal of an
*****-and controlled the temple. The defeated Roman garrison in the Antonia
barracks withdrew to await reinforcements from Caesarea.
"Pilate's troops counter attacked after a few days, killed the Galilaeans in
the temple, battered the Tower of Siloam where some were holding out and
recaptured the city. Still there was no miracle. Jesus and his generals in
hiding took a last supper together-an Essene messianic meal. Jesus,
convinced that he had done all that God required and that a miracle was
still in the offing, said he expected to be eating his next meal in the
coming kingdom. His men remained armed.
"The next day was the Passover, a likely occasion for a miracle. They went
to the Mount of Olives where, according to prophecy, the miracle would take
place and Jesus urged his men to keep watchful-not for the enemy but for God's
intervention.
"It did not occur. A body of the temple guard arrived instead. Jesus had
been proven a false prophet and had to suffer the appropriate fate
prescribed in Zechariah-he had to die as the worthless shepherd." (Abstract
of the Thesis; Dr M D Magee; Contents Updated: Tuesday, December 01, 1998;
http://www.askwhy.co.uk/christianity/0070TheGospels3.html#top)
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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11 Oct 2006 05:18:20 AM |
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"for open minded people that are willing to THINK"
well, that obviously leaves republicscums, muslims and christians out.
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| User: "" |
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11 Oct 2006 10:43:50 AM |
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:
"for open minded people that are willing to THINK"
well, that obviously leaves republicscums, muslims and christians out.
And that sentence above would mean that it leaves you out too.
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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13 Oct 2006 07:04:26 AM |
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I'm not the one worshipping an invisible non-existant sky pixie
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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31 Oct 2006 11:44:58 PM |
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Bear wrote:
"Pilate's troops counter attacked after a few days, killed the Galilaeans in
the temple, battered the Tower of Siloam where some were holding out and
recaptured the city.
Possibly using an early version of the tank, a mechanized siege vehicle.
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| User: "" |
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11 Oct 2006 06:29:52 AM |
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Bear wrote:
"The premise is that Jesus Christ, the God of the Christians, was an Essene
leader. The information missing from the gospels is who the Essenes were,
how they related to the other Jewish sects which do appear in the gospels,
why Jesus seemed not to be even an orthodox Essene and what it all had to do
with the Roman occupying forces.
http://www.askwhy.co.uk/christianity/0070TheGospels3.html#top)
When someone posts an article from a website, I usually check it out
first. This website appears to be a pagan, goddess of nature website.
So are you now a pagan, Bear? I know your beliefs have changed
somewhat over the years that you've been posting here, but I didn't
realize you now worshipped the goddess of nature.
This website puzzles me a bit, because it claims to be promoting
tolerance, and it claims to only focus on intolerant religions.
So why is it focusing on Christianity in general??
Christianity (outside the US) is generally very tolerant.
Some Americans have obviously become very bitter towards Christianity,
and I think American Christians will have to take a lot of the
blame for that. This sort of anger towards Christianity doesn't exist
elsewhere to anything like the same extent.
And if this website is focussing only on intolerance, then why
is it majoring on Christianity and not on the most intolerant of
religions today -- Islam!
There's not a peep about that, as far as I can see.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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13 Oct 2006 01:22:40 PM |
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Bear wrote:
For open-minded people willing to THINK.
You misspelled both "gullible" and "swallow."
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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11 Oct 2006 06:43:32 AM |
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Bear wrote:
Good summation.
i do not think his "Church Militant" to be limited to the Essenes
however ;
consider `Bar Yonim` and `Sicari`
also we can see in John chapt. 12 that the Hellenists are persuaded to
enter into the alliance.
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| User: "" |
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14 Oct 2006 11:27:17 PM |
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Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Bear wrote:
Good summation.
i do not think his "Church Militant" to be limited to the Essenes
however ;
consider `Bar Yonim` and `Sicari`
also we can see in John chapt. 12 that the Hellenists are persuaded to
enter into the alliance.
I wouldn't doubt the Hellenists brought in a militant variation of the
teachings, but the rest of your theory is crap. The Essenes were pious
and secluded themselves because they did not want to be militant. And
militance is not consistent with Yeshuwa` the Messiah's activities of
teaching, healing, blessing, and forgiving sins. The only reason the
Messiah said he came to put brother against father, etc. was because
that is precisely the effect that belief in the religion would have,
did have, and still has.
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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18 Oct 2006 07:45:30 AM |
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wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Bear wrote:
Good summation.
i do not think his "Church Militant" to be limited to the Essenes
however ;
consider `Bar Yonim` and `Sicari`
also we can see in John chapt. 12 that the Hellenists are persuaded to
enter into the alliance.
I wouldn't doubt the Hellenists brought in a militant variation of the
teachings, but the rest of your theory is crap. The Essenes were pious
and secluded themselves because they did not want to be militant. And
militance is not consistent with Yeshuwa` the Messiah's activities of
teaching, healing, blessing, and forgiving sins. The only reason the
Messiah said he came to put brother against father, etc. was because
that is precisely the effect that belief in the religion would have,
did have, and still has.
shouldn't you be off somewhere " researching the scriptures in the
original languages for thirteen years" ?
Oh, you 've done that already.
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| User: "Linda Lee" |
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18 Oct 2006 04:06:00 PM |
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Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
linda@hipstargraphics.com wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Bear wrote:
Good summation.
i do not think his "Church Militant" to be limited to the Essenes
however ;
consider `Bar Yonim` and `Sicari`
also we can see in John chapt. 12 that the Hellenists are persuaded to
enter into the alliance.
I wouldn't doubt the Hellenists brought in a militant variation of the
teachings, but the rest of your theory is crap. The Essenes were pious
and secluded themselves because they did not want to be militant. And
militance is not consistent with Yeshuwa` the Messiah's activities of
teaching, healing, blessing, and forgiving sins. The only reason the
Messiah said he came to put brother against father, etc. was because
that is precisely the effect that belief in the religion would have,
did have, and still has.
shouldn't you be off somewhere " researching the scriptures in the
original languages for thirteen years" ?
Oh, you 've done that already.
What a valid retort to the fact that your theory is nonsensical.
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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19 Oct 2006 01:09:22 AM |
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Linda Lee wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
linda@hipstargraphics.com wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Bear wrote:
Good summation.
i do not think his "Church Militant" to be limited to the Essenes
however ;
consider `Bar Yonim` and `Sicari`
also we can see in John chapt. 12 that the Hellenists are persuaded to
enter into the alliance.
I wouldn't doubt the Hellenists brought in a militant variation of the
teachings, but the rest of your theory is crap. The Essenes were pious
and secluded themselves because they did not want to be militant. And
militance is not consistent with Yeshuwa` the Messiah's activities of
teaching, healing, blessing, and forgiving sins. The only reason the
Messiah said he came to put brother against father, etc. was because
that is precisely the effect that belief in the religion would have,
did have, and still has.
shouldn't you be off somewhere " researching the scriptures in the
original languages for thirteen years" ?
Oh, you 've done that already.
What a valid retort to the
fact that your theory is nonsensical.
"valid retort" ? are you now consulting a thesaurus for these posts ?
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| User: "" |
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24 Oct 2006 04:33:50 PM |
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Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Linda Lee wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
linda@hipstargraphics.com wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Bear wrote:
Good summation.
i do not think his "Church Militant" to be limited to the Essenes
however ;
consider `Bar Yonim` and `Sicari`
also we can see in John chapt. 12 that the Hellenists are persuaded to
enter into the alliance.
I wouldn't doubt the Hellenists brought in a militant variation of the
teachings, but the rest of your theory is crap. The Essenes were pious
and secluded themselves because they did not want to be militant. And
militance is not consistent with Yeshuwa` the Messiah's activities of
teaching, healing, blessing, and forgiving sins. The only reason the
Messiah said he came to put brother against father, etc. was because
that is precisely the effect that belief in the religion would have,
did have, and still has.
shouldn't you be off somewhere " researching the scriptures in the
original languages for thirteen years" ?
Oh, you 've done that already.
What a valid retort to the
fact that your theory is nonsensical.
"valid retort" ? are you now consulting a thesaurus for these posts ?
I wouldn't doubt the Hellenists brought in a militant variation of the
teachings, but the rest of your theory is crap. The Essenes were pious
and secluded themselves because they did not want to be militant. And
militance is not consistent with Yeshuwa` the Messiah's activities of
teaching, healing, blessing, and forgiving sins. The only reason the
Messiah said he came to put brother against father, etc. was because
that is precisely the effect that belief in the religion would have,
did have, and still has.
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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26 Oct 2006 06:18:13 AM |
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wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Linda Lee wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Bear wrote:
Good summation.
i do not think his "Church Militant" to be limited to the Essenes
however ;
consider `Bar Yonim` and `Sicari`
also we can see in John chapt. 12 that the Hellenists are persuaded to
enter into the alliance.
I wouldn't doubt the Hellenists brought in a militant variation of the
teachings, but the rest of your theory is crap. The Essenes were pious
and secluded themselves because they did not want to be militant. And
militance is not consistent with Yeshuwa` the Messiah's activities of
teaching, healing, blessing, and forgiving sins. The only reason the
Messiah said he came to put brother against father, etc. was because
that is precisely the effect that belief in the religion would have,
did have, and still has.
shouldn't you be off somewhere " researching the scriptures in the
original languages for thirteen years" ?
Oh, you 've done that already.
What a valid retort to the
fact that your theory is nonsensical.
"valid retort" ? are you now consulting a thesaurus for these posts ?
I wouldn't doubt the Hellenists brought in a militant variation of the
teachings,
Quite to the contrary as the Hellenists were enamored of Classical
culture.
it was the `bar yonim` and `sicari` and 'zealot party' which formed the
nucleus of the Yeshua lieutenants.
May i ask you a personal question ?
do you find yourself unable to concentrate on reading a book with FULL
comprehension ...?
try some mental exercises of some sort and examine your diet perhaps.
as low as your potenial might be i think of late you are getting even
lower output than your usual.
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| User: "" |
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26 Oct 2006 09:14:10 PM |
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Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
linda@hipstargraphics.com wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Linda Lee wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
linda@hipstargraphics.com wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Bear wrote:
Good summation.
i do not think his "Church Militant" to be limited to the Essenes
however ;
consider `Bar Yonim` and `Sicari`
also we can see in John chapt. 12 that the Hellenists are persuaded to
enter into the alliance.
I wouldn't doubt the Hellenists brought in a militant variation of the
teachings, but the rest of your theory is crap. The Essenes were pious
and secluded themselves because they did not want to be militant. And
militance is not consistent with Yeshuwa` the Messiah's activities of
teaching, healing, blessing, and forgiving sins. The only reason the
Messiah said he came to put brother against father, etc. was because
that is precisely the effect that belief in the religion would have,
did have, and still has.
shouldn't you be off somewhere " researching the scriptures in the
original languages for thirteen years" ?
Oh, you 've done that already.
What a valid retort to the
fact that your theory is nonsensical.
"valid retort" ? are you now consulting a thesaurus for these posts ?
I wouldn't doubt the Hellenists brought in a militant variation of the
teachings,
Quite to the contrary as the Hellenists were enamored of Classical
culture.
it was the `bar yonim` and `sicari` and 'zealot party' which formed the
nucleus of the Yeshua lieutenants.
May i ask you a personal question ?
do you find yourself unable to concentrate on reading a book with FULL
comprehension ...?
try some mental exercises of some sort and examine your diet perhaps.
as low as your potenial might be i think of late you are getting even
lower output than your usual.
Perhaps you are simply sinking deeper and deeper into your delusional
theories concerning the Messiah.
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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27 Oct 2006 01:50:33 AM |
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wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Quite to the contrary as the Hellenists were enamored of Classical
culture.
it was the `bar yonim` and `sicari` and 'zealot party' which formed the
nucleus of the Yeshua lieutenants.
May i ask you a personal question ?
do you find yourself unable to concentrate on reading a book with FULL
comprehension ...?
try some mental exercises of some sort and examine your diet perhaps.
as low as your potenial might be i think of late you are getting even
lower output than your usual.
Perhaps you are simply sinking deeper and
deeper into your delusional
theories concerning the Messiah.
everything i have written is supported directly by the source text.
i have even shown you how the extant archaic versions were modified
progressively.
if you knew anything about Zoroaster's teachings you would immediately
recognize that the NT revisions combine a Saosyant versus Ahriman
conflict model with Cilician mystery religion and Judeo-Hellenist
speculations on the cosmos.
are you gullible or simply retarded ?
it can't be a case of `pistia` since you don't know anything about your
word of God beyond a King James and a strong's concordance.
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| User: "Linda Lee" |
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27 Oct 2006 04:26:22 PM |
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Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
linda@hipstargraphics.com wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Quite to the contrary as the Hellenists were enamored of Classical
culture.
it was the `bar yonim` and `sicari` and 'zealot party' which formed the
nucleus of the Yeshua lieutenants.
May i ask you a personal question ?
do you find yourself unable to concentrate on reading a book with FULL
comprehension ...?
try some mental exercises of some sort and examine your diet perhaps.
as low as your potenial might be i think of late you are getting even
lower output than your usual.
Perhaps you are simply sinking deeper and
deeper into your delusional
theories concerning the Messiah.
everything i have written is supported directly by the source text.
LOL. You take one or two ideas and your confusion leads you to ignore
the rest.
i have even shown you how the extant archaic versions were modified
progressively.
You can claim you have, but you've demonstrated very little.
if you knew anything about Zoroaster's teachings you would immediately
recognize that the NT revisions combine a Saosyant versus Ahriman
conflict model with Cilician mystery religion and Judeo-Hellenist
speculations on the cosmos.
Many religions prior to the Hebrew religion contained kernals of truth,
although they sometimes saw things from the opposite point of view.
Such as the Chinese reverence for the symbol of the dragon. Or the
story of Triptolemus in relation to the Fall.
are you gullible or simply retarded ?
Spiritual knowlege often looks strangely incomprehensible to the
ignorant. I suggest you pray earnestly for wisdom.
it can't be a case of `pistia` since you don't know anything about your
word of God beyond a King James and a strong's concordance.
Both are rich sources of biblical knowledge. I also like Smith's Bible
Dictionary, RASHI's Commentary on the Tanakh, and Vine's Expository
Dictionary of New Testament Words. Of course, I am not saying there is
no error in any of them. I am just saying they contain a wealth of
information.
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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28 Oct 2006 05:07:23 AM |
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Linda Lee wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
linda@hipstargraphics.com wrote:
LOL. You take one or two ideas and your confusion leads you to ignore
the rest.
No i include all instances of any word, phrase or subject.
you haven't even arrived at the point where you understand `bar enash`
or its hebrew equivalent in Tehila.
it was only in July you discovered the meaning of "TaNaKh" or Tenach,
and just recently you thought that "Johannine Comma" referred to
punctuation !
come off it. are you fooling others or yourself ?
Such as the Chinese reverence
for the symbol of the dragon.
if i were you i would not even attempt to consider such a subject at
this stage,
you will never arrive there with the time alloted, sadly.
are you gullible or simply retarded ?
Spiritual knowlege often looks strangely incomprehensible to the
ignorant. I suggest you pray earnestly for wisdom.
i have no problem with knowledge learned in altered states of
consciousness,
"1865. The German chemist Friedrick August Kekul has a dream in which
snakes dance together, holding their tails. This reveals the structure
of the benzene molecule to him. Unlikely as it sounds, Kekul's ideas
based on this dream are correct."
The problem is that your alleged "spiritual knowledge" does NOT
correspond to our sensory experience in this state.
You swing this way and that on emotional impressions of translations of
the sources.
it can't be a case of `pistia` since you don't know anything about your
word of God beyond a King James and a strong's concordance.
Both are rich sources of biblical knowledge. I also like Smith's Bible
Dictionary, RASHI's Commentary on the Tanakh, and Vine's Expository
Dictionary of New Testament Words. Of course, I am not saying there is
no error in any of them. I am just saying they contain a wealth of
information.
My advice is for you to burn all these books and become a full-time
alcoholic.
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| User: "Linda Lee" |
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28 Oct 2006 01:46:11 PM |
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Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Linda Lee wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
linda@hipstargraphics.com wrote:
LOL. You take one or two ideas and your confusion leads you to ignore
the rest.
No i include all instances of any word, phrase or subject.
you haven't even arrived at the point where you understand `bar enash`
or its hebrew equivalent in Tehila.
Projection. It's you who do not not understand biblical concepts and
symbolism, which you prove daily.
it was only in July you discovered the meaning of "TaNaKh" or Tenach,
and just recently you thought that "Johannine Comma" referred to
punctuation !
come off it. are you fooling others or yourself ?
You're a moron. And you prove it by doing such things as trying to
equate the Almighty God with Moloch worship. LOL. I am not fooling
myself, and I don't know what would lead you to believe I am trying to
fool others so that they would view me in any particular way. You just
don't like me correcting your idiotic view of the Scriptures. You live
in a nightmarish and foolish dream world.
Such as the Chinese reverence
for the symbol of the dragon.
if i were you i would not even attempt to consider such a subject at
this stage,
you will never arrive there with the time alloted, sadly.
are you gullible or simply retarded ?
Spiritual knowlege often looks strangely incomprehensible to the
ignorant. I suggest you pray earnestly for wisdom.
i have no problem with knowledge learned in altered states of
consciousness,
"1865. The German chemist Friedrick August Kekul has a dream in which
snakes dance together, holding their tails. This reveals the structure
of the benzene molecule to him. Unlikely as it sounds, Kekul's ideas
based on this dream are correct."
It's unlikely you've ever had such an experience yourself.
The problem is that your alleged "spiritual knowledge" does NOT
correspond to our sensory experience in this state.
You don't know the extent of my spiritual knowledge, and I doubt you
ever will. I suggest you put up or shut up. Prove yourself and write
your own book containing this alleged immense knowledge you possess
encompassing your reasons for God's creation of mankind, both Gentile
and Jew, mankind's ultimate fate, your view of Lucifer, the book of
Job, etc. I'll believe that when I see it. What you think is a
'reality check' is your own twisted backwards disjointed view of
reality. In fact, it would do you good to try to compile your various
beliefs into a whole so you can see how they don't hold up to scrutiny
and don't jibe with each other.
You swing this way and that on emotional impressions of translations of
the sources.
I do not 'swing this way and that'; my beliefs are stable and have been
for many years, and my beliefs do not have conflicting elements.
Neither am I "emotional" about God or the Scriptures, except that I
love God, a quality which you're sorely lacking.
it can't be a case of `pistia` since you don't know anything about your
word of God beyond a King James and a strong's concordance.
Both are rich sources of biblical knowledge. I also like Smith's Bible
Dictionary, RASHI's Commentary on the Tanakh, and Vine's Expository
Dictionary of New Testament Words. Of course, I am not saying there is
no error in any of them. I am just saying they contain a wealth of
information.
My advice is for you to burn all these books and become a full-time
alcoholic.
You're a lying idiot, so naturally I'll reject your unsound advice.
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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| Title: Re: Beelzebub's Holey Lies to Be Compiled Into an Unholy Book |
29 Oct 2006 02:36:43 AM |
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Linda Lee wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Linda Lee wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
linda@hipstargraphics.com wrote:
LOL. You take one or two ideas and your confusion leads you to ignore
the rest.
No i include all instances of any word, phrase or subject.
you haven't even arrived at the point where you understand `bar enash`
or its hebrew equivalent in Tehila.
Projection. It's you who do not not understand biblical concepts and
symbolism, which you prove daily.
for example. (the examples are endless but in any case)
you do not even comprehend the meaning of malak mem-lamed-alef-kof
sofit in bereshit parsha vayechi
nor the meaning of the word ha-goel in context.
or take the example of sefer bemidbar parsha balak where you cannot
comprehend the meaning of the word `satan` sin-tet-nun sofit
or the meaning of malak again.
Look at those two passages together, they are as a fog and a mystery to
you because your mind presumes that particular nomenclature as YOU
presume it to be must lead to a particular outcome --The Saosyant
Vicarious Sacrifice ---of the creator no less !
it was only in July you discovered the meaning of "TaNaKh" or Tenach,
and just recently you thought that "Johannine Comma" referred to
punctuation !
come off it. are you fooling others or yourself ?
You're a moron. And you prove it by doing such things as trying to
equate the Almighty God with Moloch worship. LOL.
Oh ? Then i suppose you can tell me the historical genealogy of the
name `Shaddai` ?
but i did not say that Shaddai is equivalent to "Moloch" in the first
place.
another example of why you are sub-intelligent sub-rational in a sense,
incapable of rationally organizing the data AS PRESENTED without
presumptions.
don't like me correcting your
idiotic view of the Scriptures.
As we have noted, you lied to everyone on the internet by making the
claim that you can read them.
why not remove that fraudulent book review and try and mend you ways?
Rather, don't remove it, and continue slipping down your slippery slope
etc.
You live
in a nightmarish and foolish dream world.
Because i don't have Glenfiddich to keep me company ?
Spiritual knowlege often looks strangely incomprehensible to the
ignorant. I suggest you pray earnestly for wisdom.
i have no problem with knowledge learned in altered states of
consciousness,
"1865. The German chemist Friedrick August Kekul has a dream in which
snakes dance together, holding their tails. This reveals the structure
of the benzene molecule to him. Unlikely as it sounds, Kekul's ideas
based on this dream are correct."
It's unlikely you've ever had such
an experience yourself.
Why should you be unhappy about the talents or success of others ?
as i have said many times, you expend most of your "life force" or
"energy" trying to justify fallacies which you inherited, they aren't
even of your invention.
Thus "The Amazing Grace [no accountability] of the HIDDEN Word [I
cannot understand it]"
The problem is that your alleged "spiritual knowledge" does NOT
correspond to our sensory experience in this state.
You don't know the extent of my spiritual knowledge,
YES I DO.
You revealed it several times.
it is darkness and distortion.
I suggest you put up or shut up.
Prove yourself and write
your own book containing this alleged immense knowledge you possess
encompassing your reasons for God's creation of mankind, both Gentile
and Jew, mankind's ultimate fate, your view of Lucifer, the book of
Job, etc. I'll believe that when I see it.
NO. it is you who must do the work for yourself.
Neither am I "emotional" about God or the Scriptures, except that I
love God,
define "God" in the first place --you couldn't.
My advice is for you to burn all these books and become a full-time
alcoholic.
You're a lying idiot, so naturally I'll
reject your unsound advice.
Dedicating yourself to full-time alcoholism might shave off many years
of your struggle with your fallacies.
Enjoy
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| User: "Linda Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Beelzebub's Holey Lies NOT to Be Compiled Into an Unholy Book |
29 Oct 2006 04:00:52 AM |
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Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Linda Lee wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Linda Lee wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
linda@hipstargraphics.com wrote:
LOL. You take one or two ideas and your confusion leads you to ignore
the rest.
No i include all instances of any word, phrase or subject.
you haven't even arrived at the point where you understand `bar enash`
or its hebrew equivalent in Tehila.
Projection. It's you who do not not understand biblical concepts and
symbolism, which you prove daily.
for example. (the examples are endless but in any case)
you do not even comprehend the meaning of malak mem-lamed-alef-kof
sofit in bereshit parsha vayechi
nor the meaning of the word ha-goel in context.
or take the example of sefer bemidbar parsha balak where you cannot
comprehend the meaning of the word `satan` sin-tet-nun sofit
or the meaning of malak again.
Look at those two passages together, they are as a fog and a mystery to
you because your mind presumes that particular nomenclature as YOU
presume it to be must lead to a particular outcome --The Saosyant
Vicarious Sacrifice ---of the creator no less !
it was only in July you discovered the meaning of "TaNaKh" or Tenach,
and just recently you thought that "Johannine Comma" referred to
punctuation !
come off it. are you fooling others or yourself ?
You're a moron. And you prove it by doing such things as trying to
equate the Almighty God with Moloch worship. LOL.
Oh ? Then i suppose you can tell me the historical genealogy of the
name `Shaddai` ?
but i did not say that Shaddai is equivalent to "Moloch" in the first
place.
another example of why you are sub-intelligent sub-rational in a sense,
incapable of rationally organizing the data AS PRESENTED without
presumptions.
don't like me correcting your
idiotic view of the Scriptures.
As we have noted, you lied to everyone on the internet by making the
claim that you can read them.
why not remove that fraudulent book review and try and mend you ways?
Rather, don't remove it, and continue slipping down your slippery slope
etc.
You live
in a nightmarish and foolish dream world.
Because i don't have Glenfiddich to keep me company ?
Spiritual knowlege often looks strangely incomprehensible to the
ignorant. I suggest you pray earnestly for wisdom.
i have no problem with knowledge learned in altered states of
consciousness,
"1865. The German chemist Friedrick August Kekul has a dream in which
snakes dance together, holding their tails. This reveals the structure
of the benzene molecule to him. Unlikely as it sounds, Kekul's ideas
based on this dream are correct."
It's unlikely you've ever had such
an experience yourself.
Why should you be unhappy about the talents or success of others ?
Projection again, dear. I've demonstrated no envy, unlike yourself, who
is apparently consumed with it.
as i have said many times, you expend most of your "life force" or
"energy" trying to justify fallacies which you inherited, they aren't
even of your invention.
It is you who is always trying to justify your cockeyed concepts and
trying to appear to be what you are not - comprehending of the
Scriptures. That goal is your life.
Thus "The Amazing Grace [no accountability] of the HIDDEN Word [I cannot understand it]"
I know you can't understand it. But you probably are accountable for
not having amazing grace - it's because you denigrate God and the
Savior.
The problem is that your alleged "spiritual knowledge" does NOT
correspond to our sensory experience in this state.
You don't know the extent of my spiritual knowledge,
YES I DO.
You revealed it several times.
it is darkness and distortion.
I suggest you put up or shut up.
Prove yourself and write
your own book containing this alleged immense knowledge you possess
encompassing your reasons for God's creation of mankind, both Gentile
and Jew, mankind's ultimate fate, your view of Lucifer, the book of
Job, etc. I'll believe that when I see it.
NO. it is you who must do the work for yourself.
Pathetic cop-out. As I already said, I'll believe you're capable of
that when I see it. If you truly had any understanding or had anything
valuable to say, you'd write your own book. But remember, if you do,
you can't copy and paste it as you do here - that's called plagiarism.
You could call it 'Ha Satan is Revealed as the Savior'. Or of course,
the tried and true, Holier Than Thou. That would be a good title.
Neither am I "emotional" about God or the Scriptures, except that I
love God,
define "God" in the first place --you couldn't.
My advice is for you to burn all these books and become a full-time
alcoholic.
You're a lying idiot, so naturally I'll
reject your unsound advice.
Dedicating yourself to full-time alcoholism might shave off many years
of your struggle with your fallacies.
Enjoy
Although your misogynistic personality is annoying, your spiritual
misconceptions are truly pathetic.
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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| Title: Re: Beelzebub's Holey Lies NOT to Be Compiled Into an Unholy Book |
01 Nov 2006 04:57:11 AM |
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Linda Lee wrote:
Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
Why should you be unhappy about the talents or success of others ?
Projection again, dear. I've demonstrated no envy, unlike yourself, who
is apparently consumed with it.
What you have demonstrated is that prior to July you hadno idea what
`TaNaKh` means and recently revealed that "Joannine Comma" refers to
punctuation marks
why am i envious of your ignorance ?
as i have said many times, you expend most of your "life force" or
"energy" trying to justify fallacies which you inherited, they aren't
even of your invention.
It is you who is always trying to justify your cockeyed concepts and
trying to appear to be what you are not - comprehending of the
Scriptures. That goal is your life.
i.e. No rebuttal
Thus "The Amazing Grace [no accountability] of the HIDDEN Word [I cannot understand it]"
I know you can't understand it. But you probably are accountable for
not having amazing grace - it's because you denigrate God and the
Savior.
quit while you're ahead as they say
The problem is that your alleged "spiritual knowledge" does NOT
correspond to our sensory experience in this state.
You don't know the extent of my spiritual knowledge,
YES I DO.
You revealed it several times.
it is darkness and distortion.
I suggest you put up or shut up.
Prove yourself and write
your own book containing this alleged immense knowledge you possess
encompassing your reasons for God's creation of mankind, both Gentile
and Jew, mankind's ultimate fate, your view of Lucifer, the book of
Job, etc. I'll believe that when I see it.
NO. it is you who must do the work for yourself.
Pathetic cop-out. As I already said, I'll believe you're capable of
that when I see it.
only you can learn --no one can do the learning on your behalf and your
imaginary `Ey-shu` will give you a spanking for putting faith in human
teachers while calling him Lord Lord in your laziness.
at least this is the NT perspective on your behavior.
If you truly had any understanding or had anything
valuable to say, you'd write your own book.
That is typical of your reasoning.
Dedicating yourself to full-time alcoholism might shave off many years
of your struggle with your fallacies.
Enjoy
Although your misogynistic personality
you have stated this several times.
The GYN is essential to the GEN, only a fool would delete it --or make
it dominant.
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| User: "Alan Connor" |
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| Title: Re: For open-minded people willing to THINK. |
11 Oct 2006 01:24:30 AM |
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Crossposts reduced to the Netiquette limit of three groups.
On alt.religion.christianity, in
<12iomjo8r9v4r93@corp.supernews.com>, "Bear" wrote:
"The premise is that Jesus Christ, the God of the Christians,
was an Essene leader. The information missing from the gospels
is who the Essenes were,
Interesting. I like history. But the real message(s) of Jesus is
timeless. Untouched by history except to distort it. Or bury it.
The Truth, in-other-words, the _real_ 'physics' of reality, does
not change.
Nor is it afftected by human opinions.
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Alan
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http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/contact.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/cr.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanconnor/publickey.html
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| User: "joe" |
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11 Oct 2006 02:22:03 PM |
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these are the words of a Jew for Jesus :
" But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of
God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because
they are spiritually discerned. " 1 Cor. 2:14
" For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are
perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. "
1 Cor. 1:18
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:44:12 -0400, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net>
wrote:
"The premise is that Jesus Christ, the God of the Christians, was an Essene
leader. The information missing from the gospels is who the Essenes were,
how they related to the other Jewish sects which do appear in the gospels,
why Jesus seemed not to be even an orthodox Essene and what it all had to do
with the Roman occupying forces.
"The synopsis which follows should give preliminary answers to these
questions enabling the reader to see the point of the preparatory material
and understand the subsequent commentary.
"Jesus was a devout Jew-he stoutly defended the law of Moses as the gospels
illogically admit. Most Jews yearned for their gentile enemies-especially
the Romans who ruled them-to be overcome so that they could be ruled as a
theocracy-a kingdom of God. They believed that God had promised them a
messiah, a great king who would drive out the gentiles allowing the promised
kingdom to begin, as an extension of heaven, on earth.
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| User: "Bear" |
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11 Oct 2006 02:58:09 PM |
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"joe" wrote
"Bear" wrote:
"The premise is that Jesus Christ, the God of the Christians, was an
Essene
leader. The information missing from the gospels is who the Essenes were,
how they related to the other Jewish sects which do appear in the gospels,
why Jesus seemed not to be even an orthodox Essene and what it all had to
do
with the Roman occupying forces.
"The synopsis which follows should give preliminary answers to these
questions enabling the reader to see the point of the preparatory material
and understand the subsequent commentary.
"Jesus was a devout Jew-he stoutly defended the law of Moses as the
gospels
illogically admit. Most Jews yearned for their gentile enemies-especially
the Romans who ruled them-to be overcome so that they could be ruled as a
theocracy-a kingdom of God. They believed that God had promised them a
messiah, a great king who would drive out the gentiles allowing the
promised
kingdom to begin, as an extension of heaven, on earth.
these are the words of a Jew for Jesus :
" But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of
God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because
they are spiritually discerned. " 1 Cor. 2:14
" For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are
perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. "
1 Cor. 1:18
LOL!!! Those are merely ruses to make simple-minded Xians think that they
have "special" understanding. Don't believe them.
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