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Religions > Bible |
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"Vera Six" |
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07 Feb 2004 11:02:39 PM |
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For your consideration - my block list |
I have blocked:
Mark Tindall - for severe and ongoing and false teaching
David Mattieu P.P. - for severe and ongoing slander and false teaching
GlennMcCleary/oldwetdog - for slander and false teaching (he does not
believe in the Holy Trinity)
tv-web Glenn - for slander
Donna Kupp - for very false teaching
Harold Kupp - - for very false teaching
That's it for the moment.
Please ignore all posts they might write about my friends or me,
because they only lie about us as the past has shown.
(I preserve the right to unblock them any time, of course.)
Thanks.
Vera
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| User: "Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: For your consideration - my block list |
08 Feb 2004 08:28:26 AM |
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"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c04g71$123vi8$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
I have blocked:
Mark Tindall - for severe and ongoing and false teaching
David Mattieu P.P. - for severe and ongoing slander and false teaching
GlennMcCleary/oldwetdog - for slander and false teaching (he does not
believe in the Holy Trinity)
tv-web Glenn - for slander
Donna Kupp - for very false teaching
Harold Kupp - - for very false teaching
That's it for the moment.
Please ignore all posts they might write about my friends or me,
because they only lie about us as the past has shown.
(I preserve the right to unblock them any time, of course.)
Thanks.
Vera
Hi Vera, if you keep blocking, there be only a few left and it be like your
own private email NG. Now others can read what you say, then you never know
what they said about you either, then sometimes that is good, better for the
health.
You enjoy the Lord Jesus.
Yours truly in Jesus,
Pastor Raymond W. Knapp, TH.B, D.D
Founder:Pioneers For Jesus, approved by the IRS USA for tax exemptions.
Christian Glorify Grace Church,3rd Floor, 14-16 Wo Fung Street, Luen Wo
Market,Fanling, N.T. Hong Kong China
Christian Corner Stone Church, TST, NT, Hong Kong
The services are all in Chinese except when I preach and use English with a
translator.
http://www.pioneers-for-jesus.org/Pioneers_for_Jesus/newsletters/2003/sept-2003.htm
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| User: "Don" |
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| Title: Re: For your consideration - my block list |
08 Feb 2004 08:59:42 PM |
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On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 22:28:26 +0800, "Raymond"
<NOSPAM-rwknapp@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Vera, if you keep blocking, there be only a few left and it be like your
own private email NG. Now others can read what you say, then you never know
what they said about you either, then sometimes that is good, better for the
health.
You enjoy the Lord Jesus.
Yours truly in Jesus,
Pastor Raymond W. Knapp, TH.B, D.D
Allow me to quote from a respected author whose books are still being
used in graduate schools and seminaries, a scholar and Ph.D. holder
who is the author of a book entitled NAME IT AND CLAIM IT...an expose
about diploma mills and unaccredited Bible schools...
BEGIN===========
They are not accredited. (There was a search engine reference to AABC
candidacy, but that refers to the IBC in Alabama, not Texas. ICB or
other forms of "International" are fairly common names.)
*If* the search engine results are accurate, they may be legit. I saw
a few references to folks who did their studies there in residence,
and it seems like they have a legit four-year program. IBC appears to
be Pentecostal, tied in with the ORU fellowship.
END QUOTE========
And regarding the claimed "Doctor of Divinity degree in 1979 from
Grace Apostolic College. Inc. School of Religious Education, in the
State of Ohio"
BEGIN============
I wouldn't place too much credibility in this one. First, the D.D. is
*strictly* an honorary degree - no academic work required, and no
academic value at all. Second, I would be careful about schools that
use "Inc." in their name. And I am leery about schools and churches
that claim the "Apostolic" label - you usually find them in Black
storefront churches or heavily Pentecostal rural churches.
END QUOTE=============
Raymond, why do you call yourself "Dr."???
D*
"Even Bill Clinton with all of his moral weaknesses and deficiencies
doesn't refer to himself as "doctor" even after having an honorary doctorate
granted to him by Oxford University in England! He knows if he did
he would not be taken seriously and ridiculed behind his back
(more than he already is!). Vain and flamboyant country singer,
Dolly Parton, was also given an honorary doctorate by a Southern
Baptist college, but does she refer to herself as "doctor"? Hardly.
But give one of these pieces of paper to many Fundamentalist preachers
and what do they do with it? To them it is as serious as a heart attack.
They treat it as if it actually confers a college education and they are
full fledged doctors!"
-- Timothy S. Morton
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| User: "Acevedo-Kabatoff" |
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| Title: Re: For your consideration - my block list |
08 Feb 2004 02:26:45 AM |
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"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c04g71$123vi8$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
I have blocked:
Mark Tindall - for severe and ongoing and false teaching
David Mattieu P.P. - for severe and ongoing slander and false teaching
GlennMcCleary/oldwetdog - for slander and false teaching (he does not
believe in the Holy Trinity)
tv-web Glenn - for slander
Donna Kupp - for very false teaching
Harold Kupp - - for very false teaching
That's it for the moment.
Please ignore all posts they might write about my friends or me,
because they only lie about us as the past has shown.
(I preserve the right to unblock them any time, of course.)
Thanks.
Vera
Vera, please help me. Help me understand why you
have blocked Donna and Harold Kupp. Please come to
alt.religion.christian.adventist, unblock them and let's
discuss theology there together. Please help convince me
that these people are worthy of being blocked, rather
than just say "for very false teaching." I'm sure you
yourself are caught up in several deceptions such as
pagan holidays and pagan traditions brought into
churches, these are false teachings that you hold dear
to your heart yet we have not blocked you.
-Daryl S. Kabatoff
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| User: "Vera Six" |
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| Title: Re: For your consideration - my block list |
08 Feb 2004 09:45:39 AM |
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"Acevedo-Kabatoff" <darylsk@shaw.ca> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:9pmVb.421718$JQ1.358928@pd7tw1no...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c04g71$123vi8$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
I have blocked:
Mark Tindall - for severe and ongoing and false teaching
David Mattieu P.P. - for severe and ongoing slander and false teaching
GlennMcCleary/oldwetdog - for slander and false teaching (he does not
believe in the Holy Trinity)
tv-web Glenn - for slander
Donna Kupp - for very false teaching
Harold Kupp - - for very false teaching
That's it for the moment.
Please ignore all posts they might write about my friends or me,
because they only lie about us as the past has shown.
(I preserve the right to unblock them any time, of course.)
Thanks.
Vera
Vera, please help me. Help me understand why you
have blocked Donna and Harold Kupp. Please come to
alt.religion.christian.adventist, unblock them and let's
discuss theology there together. Please help convince me
that these people are worthy of being blocked, rather
than just say "for very false teaching." I'm sure you
yourself are caught up in several deceptions such as
pagan holidays and pagan traditions brought into
churches, these are false teachings that you hold dear
to your heart yet we have not blocked you.
-Daryl S. Kabatoff
Hi Daryl S.,
I have discussed enough about doctrinal affairs. All I want to
be is a Christian. :-) And as a Christian I would like to celebrate
the day when Jesus was resurrected and overcame death, which
means I can live forever, too the moment I accept Jesus as the
master of my life.
I go under the Grace of God. I do not have to keep a Sabbath.
I am free of the law. The Kupps tear Scripture out of context, and
they concentrate on some special matters there, and they do not
believe in Trinity, and they claim to keep the Commandments, which
nobody can.
Mar 2:23-28 (KJV)
And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields
on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck
the ears of corn.
And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on
the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did,
when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar
the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat
but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man,
and not man for the sabbath:
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man,
and not man for the sabbath:
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man,
and not man for the sabbath:
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
And He was crucified for this...
Let us light candles ...
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** Where Jesus is Lord ... **
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| User: "Acevedo-Kabatoff" |
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| Title: Re: For your consideration - my block list |
08 Feb 2004 09:23:59 PM |
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"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c05lri$1350ab$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Acevedo-Kabatoff" <darylsk@shaw.ca> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:9pmVb.421718$JQ1.358928@pd7tw1no...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c04g71$123vi8$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
I have blocked:
Mark Tindall - for severe and ongoing and false teaching
David Mattieu P.P. - for severe and ongoing slander and false teaching
GlennMcCleary/oldwetdog - for slander and false teaching (he does not
believe in the Holy Trinity)
tv-web Glenn - for slander
Donna Kupp - for very false teaching
Harold Kupp - - for very false teaching
That's it for the moment.
Please ignore all posts they might write about my friends or me,
because they only lie about us as the past has shown.
(I preserve the right to unblock them any time, of course.)
Thanks.
Vera
Vera, please help me. Help me understand why you
have blocked Donna and Harold Kupp. Please come to
alt.religion.christian.adventist, unblock them and let's
discuss theology there together. Please help convince me
that these people are worthy of being blocked, rather
than just say "for very false teaching." I'm sure you
yourself are caught up in several deceptions such as
pagan holidays and pagan traditions brought into
churches, these are false teachings that you hold dear
to your heart yet we have not blocked you.
-Daryl S. Kabatoff
Hi Daryl S.,
I have discussed enough about doctrinal affairs. All I want to
be is a Christian. :-) And as a Christian I would like to celebrate
the day when Jesus was resurrected and overcame death, which
means I can live forever, too the moment I accept Jesus as the
master of my life.
<snip>
Hi Vera,
But He requests that we keep His seventh day Holy. If you
won't listen to Jesus, then perhaps you will listen to Paul:
he said that by the Law is there knowledge of sin (Romans
3:20, 7:7), that the Law is a delight (Romans 7:22), and
is Holy, just and good (Romans 7:12). "Do we then make
void the Lar through faith? God forbid: yea we establish the
Law" (Romans 3:31). Vera basically says that she discussed
enough about doctrinal affairs and has learned enough to
now teach. I personally prefer a teacher who continues to
question with an open mind and an open heart.
See Hebrews 4, here is New Testament Scripture
in chapter 4 telling us to remember to honor God's 4th
Commandment. The pre-incarnate Jesus created
heaven and earth and provided us with the Ten
Commandments. Then He came to earth in human form
and abided by His Ten Commandments. Then He was
crucified on the 6th day of the week, RESTED in the
tomb on the 7th day of the week, then rose on the first
day of the week to resume His ministry (His WORK).
He rose on a Sunday to resume His work while the
filthy churches teach you that His rising on a Sunday
changes His day of rest to Sunday.
Let us strive to enter that rest and honor what God
desires that we honor rather than continue to strive
to hold onto the things that our are important to
our friends, family and ourselves. Vera, why do
you hate God's Fourth Commandment so much?
-Daryl S. Kabatoff
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| User: "Scout Lady" |
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| Title: Re: For your consideration - my block list |
08 Feb 2004 11:12:16 AM |
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"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c05lri$1350ab$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
The Kupps tear Scripture out of context, and
they concentrate on some special matters there, and they do not
believe in Trinity, and they claim to keep the Commandments, which
nobody can.
Which of the 10 Commandments are you unable to keep?
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| User: "Vera Six" |
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| Title: Re: For your consideration - my block list |
08 Feb 2004 12:11:07 PM |
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"Scout Lady" <huoauk502@sneakemail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:c05ri8$138p1b$1@ID-87237.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c05lri$1350ab$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
The Kupps tear Scripture out of context, and
they concentrate on some special matters there, and they do not
believe in Trinity, and they claim to keep the Commandments, which
nobody can.
Which of the 10 Commandments are you unable to keep?
This starts with the first. Sometimes it happens that
other things are more important than God.
Be blessed,
Vera
--
* Growing Deeper *
** Where Jesus is Lord ... **
*** http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ***
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| User: "Scout Lady" |
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| Title: Re: For your consideration - my block list |
08 Feb 2004 12:58:46 PM |
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"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c05v42$10oa9a$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Scout Lady" <huoauk502@sneakemail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:c05ri8$138p1b$1@ID-87237.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c05lri$1350ab$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
The Kupps tear Scripture out of context, and
they concentrate on some special matters there, and they do not
believe in Trinity, and they claim to keep the Commandments, which
nobody can.
Which of the 10 Commandments are you unable to keep?
This starts with the first. Sometimes it happens that
other things are more important than God.
Be blessed,
I'm sorry you are unable to place God first in your life. However do you
really think it fair to judge others as unable to keep the commandments
based on your failure to do so? I don't know either of the people that you
are judging so don't take this the wrong way, but what authority do you
claim that allows you to judge whether others are able to keep the
commandments or not? Aren't you applying your own interpretation of the
commandments to make this assertion? Have you ever read Matthew chapter 7?
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| User: "Vera Six" |
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| Title: Re: For your consideration - my block list |
08 Feb 2004 09:27:37 PM |
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"Scout Lady" <huoauk502@sneakemail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:c06nue$13af5t$3@ID-87237.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c05v42$10oa9a$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Scout Lady" <huoauk502@sneakemail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:c05ri8$138p1b$1@ID-87237.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c05lri$1350ab$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
The Kupps tear Scripture out of context, and
they concentrate on some special matters there, and they do not
believe in Trinity, and they claim to keep the Commandments, which
nobody can.
Which of the 10 Commandments are you unable to keep?
This starts with the first. Sometimes it happens that
other things are more important than God.
Be blessed,
I'm sorry you are unable to place God first in your life. However do you
really think it fair to judge others as unable to keep the commandments
based on your failure to do so? I don't know either of the people that you
are judging so don't take this the wrong way, but what authority do you
claim that allows you to judge whether others are able to keep the
commandments or not?
The Bible - God.
I have to do better things than argue about your
funny views on doctrine. I would like to light more candles
for my God.
And be careful that you will not have to take God's grace one day...
Well, I would be happy for you, though.
Vera
Aren't you applying your own interpretation of the
commandments to make this assertion? Have you ever read Matthew chapter 7?
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| User: "Scout Lady" |
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| Title: Re: For your consideration - my block list |
09 Feb 2004 05:33:27 AM |
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"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c06uvh$13jr6j$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Scout Lady" <huoauk502@sneakemail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:c06nue$13af5t$3@ID-87237.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c05v42$10oa9a$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Scout Lady" <huoauk502@sneakemail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:c05ri8$138p1b$1@ID-87237.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c05lri$1350ab$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
The Kupps tear Scripture out of context, and
they concentrate on some special matters there, and they do not
believe in Trinity, and they claim to keep the Commandments, which
nobody can.
Which of the 10 Commandments are you unable to keep?
This starts with the first. Sometimes it happens that
other things are more important than God.
Be blessed,
I'm sorry you are unable to place God first in your life. However do you
really think it fair to judge others as unable to keep the commandments
based on your failure to do so? I don't know either of the people that
you
are judging so don't take this the wrong way, but what authority do you
claim that allows you to judge whether others are able to keep the
commandments or not?
The Bible - God.
What does Bible - God mean? Is the bible God or God the bible????
I have to do better things than argue about your
funny views on doctrine. I would like to light more candles
for my God.
Funny, I don't even recall having a discussion with you so I find it strange
that you claim I have funny views on doctrine. Why do want to light more
candles for your God?
And be careful that you will not have to take God's grace one day...
Well, I would be happy for you, though.
I think I'll cut out at this point, it looks as if I have encountered
another usenet nutcase. If this isn't the case then I apologise but frankly
your replies are too weird to further waste time on.
Vera
Aren't you applying your own interpretation of the
commandments to make this assertion? Have you ever read Matthew chapter
7?
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| User: "Feather Forestwalker" |
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| Title: Re: For your consideration - my block list |
09 Feb 2004 11:31:38 AM |
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Scout Lady wrote:
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c06uvh$13jr6j$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Scout Lady" <huoauk502@sneakemail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:c06nue$13af5t$3@ID-87237.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c05v42$10oa9a$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Scout Lady" <huoauk502@sneakemail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:c05ri8$138p1b$1@ID-87237.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c05lri$1350ab$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
The Kupps tear Scripture out of context, and
they concentrate on some special matters there, and they do not
believe in Trinity, and they claim to keep the Commandments, which
nobody can.
Which of the 10 Commandments are you unable to keep?
This starts with the first. Sometimes it happens that
other things are more important than God.
Be blessed,
I'm sorry you are unable to place God first in your life. However do you
really think it fair to judge others as unable to keep the commandments
based on your failure to do so? I don't know either of the people that
you
are judging so don't take this the wrong way, but what authority do you
claim that allows you to judge whether others are able to keep the
commandments or not?
The Bible - God.
What does Bible - God mean? Is the bible God or God the bible????
I have to do better things than argue about your
funny views on doctrine. I would like to light more candles
for my God.
Funny, I don't even recall having a discussion with you so I find it strange
that you claim I have funny views on doctrine. Why do want to light more
candles for your God?
And be careful that you will not have to take God's grace one day...
Well, I would be happy for you, though.
I think I'll cut out at this point, it looks as if I have encountered
another usenet nutcase. If this isn't the case then I apologise but frankly
your replies are too weird to further waste time on.
Vera
Hey, Scout Lady!
Long time no talk to!
Wanted to let you know that Vera has a very different slant on the
English language; it's her second language, and I have noticed some
things that I would have misconstrued as "weird," had I not taken that
into consideration.
Indeed, Vera and I have "gone the rounds," only to find that we were
mistakened about one another.
Hope that helps somewhat! *waves to Vera*
God bless,
Feather
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| User: "Scout Lady" |
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09 Feb 2004 12:46:55 PM |
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"Feather Forestwalker" <feather@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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Scout Lady wrote:
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c06uvh$13jr6j$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Scout Lady" <huoauk502@sneakemail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:c06nue$13af5t$3@ID-87237.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c05v42$10oa9a$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Scout Lady" <huoauk502@sneakemail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:c05ri8$138p1b$1@ID-87237.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c05lri$1350ab$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
The Kupps tear Scripture out of context, and
they concentrate on some special matters there, and they do not
believe in Trinity, and they claim to keep the Commandments, which
nobody can.
Which of the 10 Commandments are you unable to keep?
This starts with the first. Sometimes it happens that
other things are more important than God.
Be blessed,
I'm sorry you are unable to place God first in your life. However do
you
really think it fair to judge others as unable to keep the commandments
based on your failure to do so? I don't know either of the people that
you
are judging so don't take this the wrong way, but what authority do you
claim that allows you to judge whether others are able to keep the
commandments or not?
The Bible - God.
What does Bible - God mean? Is the bible God or God the bible????
I have to do better things than argue about your
funny views on doctrine. I would like to light more candles
for my God.
Funny, I don't even recall having a discussion with you so I find it
strange
that you claim I have funny views on doctrine. Why do want to light more
candles for your God?
And be careful that you will not have to take God's grace one day...
Well, I would be happy for you, though.
I think I'll cut out at this point, it looks as if I have encountered
another usenet nutcase. If this isn't the case then I apologise but
frankly
your replies are too weird to further waste time on.
Vera
Hey, Scout Lady!
Long time no talk to!
Wanted to let you know that Vera has a very different slant on the
English language; it's her second language, and I have noticed some
things that I would have misconstrued as "weird," had I not taken that
into consideration.
Indeed, Vera and I have "gone the rounds," only to find that we were
mistakened about one another.
Hope that helps somewhat! *waves to Vera*
God bless,
Feather
Ever the peacemaker Feather Forestwalker! ;o)
I have nothing against Vera as I don't even know her. I do have a problem
with others prejudging my funny theology or telling me that I may have to
accept God's grace someday which presumes I haven't already. Is her first
language German? If so, perhaps she can explain whatever she was trying to
say in her native tongue, I am very flexible and accommodating.
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Scout Lady wrote:
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c05v42$10oa9a$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Scout Lady" <huoauk502@sneakemail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:c05ri8$138p1b$1@ID-87237.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c05lri$1350ab$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
The Kupps tear Scripture out of context, and
they concentrate on some special matters there, and they do not
believe in Trinity, and they claim to keep the Commandments, which
nobody can.
Which of the 10 Commandments are you unable to keep?
This starts with the first. Sometimes it happens that
other things are more important than God.
Be blessed,
I'm sorry you are unable to place God first in your life. However do you
really think it fair to judge others as unable to keep the commandments
based on your failure to do so? I don't know either of the people that you
are judging so don't take this the wrong way, but what authority do you
claim that allows you to judge whether others are able to keep the
commandments or not? Aren't you applying your own interpretation of the
commandments to make this assertion? Have you ever read Matthew chapter 7?
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I do not think Vera will answer your question about her authority...
But, since I am one of the individuals on her list...,
I offer the following explination for your consideration.
This is long, you may want to save it to file and read offline.
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Warning: There is a Cult operating on Usenet!
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This is a Repost of "It Happened on ACC"
URL to google archive:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=10240pepe8t9i84%40corp.supernews.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
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You may also want to see: "Subject: Examples of Ridicule"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=10251sms41a4m5a%40corp.supernews.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
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You may also want to see: "subject: Example of a Cult Gang Bang"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1024ll51et99la6%40corp.supernews.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
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You may also want to see: "subject: The Cult and False Prophets"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1025tcmh820otcf%40corp.supernews.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
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From: oldwetdog <old*wet*dog@netscapeD0Tnet>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: IT HAPPENED ON ACC !
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:47:46 -0800
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google archive: O yes please!
It happened on ACC!
"A Cult on alt.christnet.christianlife"
"A Cult opperates on Usenet"
"A News Group Cult"
"usenet cult"
Griz and his cult had a good thing going. They were making progress in
recruiting members, and the group was growing, they were making progress
toward fulfilling the "Vision." Then problems started to mount. DMPP
would not quit. M&BT arrived and brought the situation to a critical
level. Then CULL arrived, and new members were asking questions.
A new "recruit" suddenly declined membership in the gang, and began to
question Griz. A second person demanded Griz's accountability. Then
others began questioning the "leadership." Griz could not prove himself
innocent, and every effort lead to defeat or embarrassment.
The leadership team met to discuss options. It was decided to fake the
departure of two or three members to win sympathy from a few of the
weaker/non-participating members of the Cult. This brought in some new
solders. This 'fake retreat' also gave ammunition to hurl at those who
did not approve of the Cult's methods. Still, the rebellion against Griz
and his Cult did not abate.
The leadership met and agreed to "surrender" to the demands of their
"attackers." A false surrender was arranged. Then, on January 8, 2004,
when Griz had "retreated from the field," all the gang members attacked
those who thought "they" had won freedom from Griz's dictatorship. The
most visible target was OWD. He had just posted two articles, "Control"
and "Context," which Griz could not answer. All the "Building Crew"
attacked AD HOMINEM! The Building Crew also attacked their old enemies
and reopened all the old wounds.
Then Vera began to attack acting like DMPP and M&BT: Attack, attack, but
reply to none. The Building Crew, of course, protected her: "Leave her
alone, she is hurt and angry, she'll work it out in a couple of days."
Then Vera posts, "No, I'm not angry... I'm exercising my freedom." For
most of the day, there was all this freedom, filled with rampant anger,
freedom used as an opportunity to vent anger and hate.
This Conspiracy by Griz, Vera and the "Building Crew" was two sided:
First, revenge--we will attack them just as they have attacked us, and
prove that freedom makes it impossible to manage the NG. Second, make
them beg Griz to return.
However, this "change" in (or surrender of) leadership was also
something else: "shift of focus." It took everyone's eyes off the
accusations Griz could not disprove. Still, if Griz was wrong before the
"change," then even if he is no longer Leader/moderator of ACC, Griz is
still wrong. There has been no admission of his error; there has been no
statement that he will change his conduct or method. Clearly, Griz and
the Building Crew intend to use the same method of operation "until" or
"unless" there is a statement otherwise. In fact, this is proved by
their conduct in the hours immediately after, and the days since, "the
change."
That phony surrender has been repeated. Griz has (it is claimed)
retreated to Christnet.Christianlife, yahoo.groups and Vera's private
web site. Yet he continues as leader of the "Building Crew" (who now
wishes to be known as "The Fellowship").
Various members of the Griz Cult have faked retreats from ACC, only to
return in a few days and again begin their personal attacks using the
same methods used between Dec. 30, 2003 and Jan. 31, 2004. Various
members of the Cult have assumed false names or identities, or assumed a
NIC to act as a sock puppet and reenter ACC to wage war for the Gang.
These methods of war practiced by the Cult include:
A) False accusations and Ad Hominem attack. A member attacks, then other
members of the Cult Gang Bang (aka "dog pile")the victim. While the
Soldiers attack their victim, the "lovers" begin to preach "peace,
Peace!" And, "Why can't you just let it go?" The casual observer will
notice, however, that this loving request for peace is not made to the
soldiers of the Cult, but to their victim. Of course, as long as the
victim continues to defend him/her self they are guilty of the sin of
stubbornly refusing to end the argument.
B) The use of Slander. One member of the Gang will take something from
the victim's past (this may be a confessed fault, a medical diagnosis or
any perceived weakness) which can be used wrongfully for the purpose of
Slander. Other members will then chime in and say, "Oh, I knew there was
something wrong with [name]." The victim is now left with the option of
attempting to defend their self against slander, or allow the slander to
stand. If the victim attempts to defend, the soldiers will (as above)
gang bang the victim.
C.) When asked to supply evidence for accusations, the gang will refuse
a request for proof; and indeed one member replied, "I don't have to..."
The gang then continues their attack on the victim even though they have
refused to give evidence, since the accusation is proven by the fact
that they made it and the victim denied it.
D.) In the event that one of the Gang is caught in a lie (false
accusation is a lie), and the victim of the lie submits evidence of the
lie, the gang's soldiers will attack saying, "you have judged [name]."
Or, "This is not correction, it is Condemnation." Or, "This is nothing
but "Focus Shifting" to take our eyes off of Jesus." Or, "You are
exhibiting the sin of "the spirit of invalidation of Witness." However,
in no way will the lie, as made by the false accuser, be acknowledged or
an apology offered. In fact, should the affair be forgotten, the gang
will renew their attack on their intended victim.
E.) Gang fights are always about "we" and "you" The members of the Griz
Cult, both acknowledged and secret, will always take the side of the
Cult and defend from, or attack, those who oppose the lies, false
accusations and Gang Bang tactics of the Cult members. The members of
the Cult make it clear that protection of the Cult is more important
than the Truth of God's Word, or unity among Christians.
Please note that the most recent examples of these methods of Gang
Warfare have continued unabated since about January 8, 2004, and can in
fact be shown in practice by this witness back to October 2003. Some
witnesses testify that these tactics have been used by Griz and his Cult
for about 2 years. While the members of the Cult continue to follow
Griz, any visitor, reader or lurker, or poster in
alt.christnet.christianlife, christnet.christianlife, the Cult's home
page or their "group" in yahoo.groups should expect to see this Cult
continue its methods of gang warfare.
Members of the Cult (are; or may or may not) include:
Griz (Craig)
Pablo
Cal (CBrown7281)
Mike Barefield
Ben mitts
Brian Garrison
TBC/Aarons Rod
Frank
Vera
Jeannette/Abby
Joy (JPF)
PureJoyAgain
Delightful (Faith)
Chayil
At any time, Cult members may function as follows:
Warriors
or Peace makers
The Cult, at times, may appear to be organized as follows:
(They will have their own names for their individual office or
'position' in their "on-line church" as based on the "fivefold ministry.")
Minister: Griz
Elders: Cal, Mike
Word of Knowledge: Pablo
Prophet: fervent
The blind: Frank
Recruiter: Vera
Court Jesters: Ben mitts, TBC/Aarons Rod
The members appear to communicate with each other by:
A "Chat room" on their home page,
personal E-mail,
Instant Messenger,
and/or cell phones.
Cult members consider it their right and priviledge to "lie for Jesus."
In fact, "lying for Jesus" seems to be the rite of passage.
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This is an example of outright Slander as used by a member of the Cult.
I offer this example without comment.
To locate the original post in the google archive you can use the link
below,
or go to google.groups.advanced search. You can look it using the author
name=Abby,
or you can use the Message-ID contained in the header.
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(re-post)
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From: "Abby" <cowabunga@home>
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Subject: Dog
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:39:27 -0500
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The OWD certainly has a fixation about lying. He
has called many here liars and now he has resorted
to calling the Pope a liar.
It is common for bi-polars (manic depressives) to
become fixated on things during a manic phase of
the illness. He refuses medication to correct the
illness (according to his web site).
I wonder if he collects a government issued check
every month instead of working for a living? This
is common for people with this illness as well and
sometimes it is rightly deserved.
I do have a problem with people who are sucking
the system (working people) and then spending the
money for a computer, internet services and then
proceed to go online and call them (working
people) liars, when in fact it is ~they~ who are
living a lie, collecting the funds because of
their own refusal for medication that keeps the
illness well controlled and could allow them to
work for a living.
I am not saying this is what is happening in the
OWD's case , but one has to wonder. Does he work
for a living or is he collecting a disability
check from us?? Why is he noncompliant about a
medication that could make one a productive
working member of society? Bi-Polar disorder is a
chemical imbalance of the brain. You replace the
missing chemical and you have a normal working
brain.
Abby Jeannette
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"He is no fool, who gives what he cannot keep,
to gain what he cannot lose." -Jim Elliott
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google is your friend
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Scout Lady wrote:
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c05lri$1350ab$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
The Kupps tear Scripture out of context, and
they concentrate on some special matters there, and they do not
believe in Trinity, and they claim to keep the Commandments, which
nobody can.
Which of the 10 Commandments are you unable to keep?
OT: Here's a name I haven't seen in a few years. . .how are you, Scout
Lady? Remember me? 1998 / 1999, at alt.religion.baptist, with my friend
Laura, AKA "Childflower"? It's been a while, eh?
Now, I cannot speak for Vera, but I can tell you that every single human
being on the face of this earth, myself included, cannot keep the Ten
Commandments by themselves. As we mature into a saving knowledge of
Christ Jesus as Savior, we find that the Holy Spirit begins writing the
law of God on our hearts. Following a letter-bound law, then, becomes a
moot point and Jesus has died for nothing. When He writes His law on our
hearts, we are filled with the two commandments that Jesus said were the
most important:
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all of thy heart, soul, mind and
strength, and love thy neighbor as thyself.
LOVE is the most important part of the law. Jesus said that on this
(LOVE), all the law and the prophets hang:
Matthew 22
The Greatest Commandment
34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got
together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this
question:
36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus
replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your
soul and with all your mind.'38 This is the first and greatest
commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as
yourself.' 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
I praise God that only Jesus could fulfill the law, because on my own, I
just cannot do it.
:)
In His Love,
Feather
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"Acevedo-Kabatoff" <darylsk@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<9pmVb.421718$JQ1.358928@pd7tw1no>...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c04g71$123vi8$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
I have blocked:
Mark Tindall - for severe and ongoing and false teaching
I'm sure you
yourself are caught up in several deceptions such as
pagan holidays and pagan traditions brought into
churches, these are false teachings that you hold dear
to your heart yet we have not blocked you.
-Daryl S. Kabatoff-Documented stalker and pedophile and
well-know kook and Usenet jag-off.
<<<snipped a lot of psycho crap from Shawn "pedophile-boy" Kabatoff>>>
The following (courtesy of Waxy.org) is sort of an unofficial "FAQ"
explaining the psychotic nonsense posted to Usenet by Shawn Daryl
Kabatoff AKA "Dar", AKA "Probababbilities". And now AKA "marcia and
me".
WARNING: Read below before even thinking about responding to this
twit.
http://www.waxy.org/archive/2002/05/21/dar_kaba.shtml#000643
Usenet has the tendency to provide a public forum for those who would
normally be scribbling in a closet. For example, take Daryl "Shawn"
Kabatoff. For the last few years, he's methodically gathered
"statistics" from various sources, ranging from local newspaper
obituary pages to the food court of the Saskatoon Midtown Plaza mall.
With all the raw data he's collected, he's attempting to prove daily
that our full names are in "mathematical harmony" with our birthdays.
His rants normally focus on a single individual he's met or read
about, starting with calculations related to their birthdate and full
names, blending in whatever other personal information about their
family members, spouses, birthplace, and career he's been able to
glean. From there, it descends into a mix of numerology, religious
zealotry, and personal torment. I've never seen anything like it.
With all the prime numbers, Fibonacci sequences and biblical
references, it's like reading the notebooks of Maximillian Cohen and
John Nash combined. Unsurprisingly, several posts unfold to reveal a
history of painful mental illness. If you have some time, take a look.
I've detailed his posting history and a several sample posts below.
Usenet Posting History:
January 27, 1999 to July 5, 2000 as
December 9, 2000 to May 4, 2001 as
Oct 30, 2001 to Oct 31, 2001 as
January 20, 2002 to April 17, 2002 as (original
posts have been
removed from Google Groups archive)
April 26, 2002 to Present as
Selected Posts:
Tessa Lynne Smith
Dastageer Sakhizai and Helen Smith
Brett David Maki
Andrew Meredith Cotton
Kathryn Lee Hipperson
Amanda Dawn Newton
Mona Marie Etcheverry
Tony Peter Nuspl
Lisa Charlene McMillan
Grant Allyn Wood
Comments
scarier still is that saskatoon is my hometown, though not my current
residence. and every single place he's mentioned in his posts (most
notably nervous harold's and the roastary) were either places i've
been (as it's a small city of 200K) or hangouts, ie. the two places
mentioned. chances are i could email some friends back home and find
out if they know of him, they (my friends that is) being of the
broadway-centred slacker ilk. myself, too, until i got out of there.
eh, anyways. thought it odd to see all this. midtown mall. i ate my
meals there, whilst waiting several days in line for star wars episode
one, at the theatre across the street.
posted by andy raad on May 22, 2002 06:20 PM
Fascinating. It's like he's trying to take chaos and bind it into
whatever rules he can find, religious, logical and otherwise. Numbers
and math have a reliable pattern, something that can always be proven
to true or false. People and religion do not. It reminds me of Darren
Aronofsky's movie Pi. It's the story of an paraniod genius who is
trying to find a pattern in Pi. A group that takes interest in his
work is convinced that the existence of Pi, a number whose existence
can be proven but no quantified, is proof of the existence of God.
Kabatoff's hunt for patterns in something as random as name selection
is a way to reconcile his deeply logical thought process with his
conflicting religious views.
posted by matt on May 23, 2002 11:19 AM
Exactly. I probably shouldn't have, but I e-mailed Daryl yesterday,
asking him if he'd be willing to create a numerological analysis for
me. I also asked him if he had seen either Pi or A Beautiful Mind, and
what he thought of them. If he replies, I'll be sure to post it.
posted by Andy Baio on May 23, 2002 11:24 AM
I baked many pumpkin pies for Shawn (he likes pumpkin pies). I rubbed
pumpkin pie all over my breasts for him, and my breasts turned orange.
I am a pumpkin for Shawn.
posted by Trisha Blondie on July 24, 2002 10:41 PM
Um, that's swell. So, you're in love with him?
posted by Andy Baio on July 25, 2002 07:10 AM
Shawn once went to a funeral for a Jehovah Witness that shot himself
and the lemon tarts were very bad, they were not only sour but were
rubbery as well. Shawn said that the guy was some kind of Jehovah
Witness prophet, he saw in advance that the lemon tarts at his funeral
were to be very very bad, and so he shot himself. Shawn said that he
never ate pumpkin pie at a funeral but would like to some day. Shawn
likes pumpkin pie and so I have been practicing to make very good
pumpkin pies.
posted by Trisha Blondie on July 25, 2002 02:49 PM
Shawn said that the lemon tarts were sour, bitter and rubbery.
posted by Trisha Blondie on July 30, 2002 12:32 AM
I don't think this guy takes notes. I think he has Total Recall, and
it has driven him insane...
posted by Todd Smith on December 26, 2002 11:00 AM
Oh... I almost forgot... I didnt spend thousands of dollars a day
tormenting Daryl... We got a deal on tormenting that fiscal year, it
only came to about 37cents a day....
posted by Dr Claw on December 30, 2002 01:56 AM
Mr. Kabatoff attempts to portray himself as a victim, but in fact he
is a violent predatory pedophile who is well known to his local law
enforcement. In his post to multiple newsgroups with the subject
"Collecting Mail For The Coming Anti-Christ", he encourages mothers to
send him photos of their naked daughters. Mr Kabatoff explains, "I
personally did not want photographs being mailed to (the coming
Ant-Christ) that were of underage children unless the parent was
signing consent." He is banned from virtually all the shopping malls
in his community because he stalks young people and sexually harasses
them. He has an extensive arrest record which includes sexual
molestation charges. He's been hospitalized in mental institutions
several times because he likes to accost "nubile cuties." He writes
about his contact with young girls in many posts. Search newsgroup
archives for posts by him containing the word "nubile". As part of his
harrassment, he provides personal details in a public forum, such as
the real names of real children, in these and other posts. About one
girl he met at a mall, he writes, "I wanted Callie in my bed or I
wanted her and her sister dead."
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Daryl+Shawn+Kabatoff+dead+or+in+my+bed&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=asqm35%24tjq5j%241%40ID-136124.news.dfncis.de&rnu
He not only curses children and prays for their death in his posts, he
also enjoys attending the funerals of young people: "And so, since
nubile sweeties are found in greatest abundance at the funerals of
high school students, then it is the funerals of high school students
that make the very very best funerals, especially if there is food...
I stuff my face (and my pockets) with all the good food and look at
all the pretty nubile sweeties and have the time of my life..
..http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Daryl+Shawn+Kabatoff+nubile+sex&hl=en&l
r=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=LfXN8.63042%24R53.25142039%40twister.socal.rr.
com&rnum=1
Many of his posts are sent to alt.teens.advice. However, he liberally
spams, floods and crossposts his off-topic threatening and offensive
missives to countless newsgroups. Some people HAVE problems and some
folks ARE problems. Don't dismiss Mr. Kabatoff as a harmless nut. When
he sends these posts to any newgroup, please help by reporting him to
his ISP. Thanks.
posted by nospam on January 5, 2003 04:39 AM
I knew of him when I was attending the University of Saskatchewan.
He'd hang out in the Arts computer lab and all you'd see is screens of
numbers racing by on his laptop. I have an original copy of his
"Collecting Mail for the Coming Anti-Christ" pamphlet, and have seen
him be hauled away by campus security on more than one occasion. My
friends and I refer to him as "Crazy Number Man".
posted by Mr. Somebody on April 10, 2003 11:09 AM
I've been posting to (and about) Shawn for over two years with big
gaps in between. He has seen Pi and didn't like it and didn't think it
resembled him at all. (Wrong, it fits him to a tee) He doesn't have
total recall and has stated that he travels with a lap top to notate
items. Also, he uses "cut n' paste" a lot if you read all the way
through his ramblings. He is anti-social as shown by his angry
statements towards those who, by his own admission, have been kind
(but not kind enough) to him. Still, he's intelligent and seems to be
able to "take a joke" on occassion. That's where I came in.
posted by Gambol on May 19, 2003 02:22
ALOHA
Reply to group
(Unsolicited e-mail is deleted from the server unread
if it comes from anyone not already in my addressbook.
I'll never even see it)
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"Thomas" <isleniceguy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6025fea2.0402081738.4684e58a@posting.google.com...
<snip>
James Takayama posted libel against me using the name
"nospam", now he frequently quotes this libel using
the name "Thomas." -Daryl S. Kabatoff
HALOHA
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See Hebrews 4, here is New Testament Scripture
in chapter 4 telling us to remember to honor God's 4th
Commandment. The pre-incarnate Jesus created
heaven and earth and provided us with the Ten
Commandments. Then He came to earth in human form
and abided by His Ten Commandments. Then He was
crucified on the 6th day of the week, RESTED in the
tomb on the 7th day of the week, then rose on the first
day of the week to resume His ministry (His WORK).
He rose on a Sunday to resume His work while the
filthy churches teach you that His rising on a Sunday
changes His day of rest to Sunday.
Let us strive to enter that rest and honor what God
desires that we honor rather than continue to strive
to hold onto the things that our are important to
our friends, family and ourselves. -Daryl S. Kabatoff
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12 Feb 2004 04:31:01 PM |
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"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
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I have blocked:
Mark Tindall - for severe and ongoing and false teaching
David Mattieu P.P. - for severe and ongoing slander and false teaching
GlennMcCleary/oldwetdog - for slander and false teaching (he does not
believe in the Holy Trinity)
tv-web Glenn - for slander
Donna Kupp - for very false teaching
Harold Kupp - - for very false teaching
That's it for the moment.
Please ignore all posts they might write about my friends or me,
because they only lie about us as the past has shown.
Did you know, that if you didn't block them, you could defend yourself ?
Sad that your faith is so weak that you can't have it challenged, as I
believe one of your "false-teachings" I am surprised not to see my name
listed. (Maybe its because I am not a regular in your pet ng (?))
(I preserve the right to unblock them any time, of course.)
Of course :-)
Thanks.
Vera
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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13 Feb 2004 02:31:36 AM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:102nvl2nc59uibd@corp.supernews.com...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c04g71$123vi8$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
I have blocked:
Mark Tindall - for severe and ongoing and false teaching
David Mattieu P.P. - for severe and ongoing slander and false teaching
GlennMcCleary/oldwetdog - for slander and false teaching (he does not
believe in the Holy Trinity)
tv-web Glenn - for slander
Donna Kupp - for very false teaching
Harold Kupp - - for very false teaching
That's it for the moment.
Please ignore all posts they might write about my friends or me,
because they only lie about us as the past has shown.
Did you know, that if you didn't block them, you could defend yourself ?
I do not have to defend anything, Glenn.
I am not going to start defending myself against mean and evil
lies (as came from most of the above mentioned). I have got better
things to do.
Sad that your faith is so weak that you can't have it challenged, as I
believe one of your "false-teachings" I am surprised not to see my name
listed. (Maybe its because I am not a regular in your pet ng (?))
You do not know much about my faith, as it seems.
But you could explain why you reject the Bible. If you are a born-again
Christian as you say, there will be no disharmony with it. Maybe you had
a bad start with it some day?
Please, try it out. Go on reading in it. Maybe you will see one day... Maybe
God will tell you... I will pray for that.
(I preserve the right to unblock them any time, of course.)
Of course :-)
Yes, of course.
Thanks.
Vera
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
God's Bless,
Vera
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14 Feb 2004 06:11:38 PM |
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"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c0i2mi$175a5j$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag news:102nvl2nc59uibd@corp.supernews.com...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c04g71$123vi8$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
I have blocked:
Mark Tindall - for severe and ongoing and false teaching
David Mattieu P.P. - for severe and ongoing slander and false teaching
GlennMcCleary/oldwetdog - for slander and false teaching (he does not
believe in the Holy Trinity)
tv-web Glenn - for slander
Donna Kupp - for very false teaching
Harold Kupp - - for very false teaching
That's it for the moment.
Please ignore all posts they might write about my friends or me,
because they only lie about us as the past has shown.
Did you know, that if you didn't block them, you could defend yourself ?
I do not have to defend anything, Glenn.
Many here interpret silence as confesion, or as losing a debate (I tend to
do the latter, I won, because they became lost for words)
I am not going to start defending myself against mean and evil
lies (as came from most of the above mentioned). I have got better
things to do.
No problem, but I still think kill-filing is a good idea
But as they say, we all have our opinions
Sad that your faith is so weak that you can't have it challenged, as I
believe one of your "false-teachings" I am surprised not to see my name
listed. (Maybe its because I am not a regular in your pet ng (?))
You do not know much about my faith, as it seems.
But you could explain why you reject the Bible.
????
Seeing the Bible to say something you disagree with, like my believing one
of the things you declared to be heritical (note I haven't yet told you just
what that was), does NOT mean that I reject the Bible.
If you are a born-again
I am being born again, yes. I told you already what I believe to be the
rebirth.
Yes, I explained how I had done everything which is considered to be done so
that one is "born again" by faith, but it hasn't happened yet.
(but that isn't my Bible-based {as I read it} "heritical" belief)
Christian as you say, there will be no disharmony with it. Maybe you had
a bad start with it some day?
Huh ?
<snip>
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
God's Bless,
And God Bless You :-)
Vera
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
PS Messiahnic Judaism / Jewish-Christianity has a problem with this "There
is no God beside me"
Annointed King's such as David were "Messiah's"--- there is no Jewish
prophecy, read as written in Hebrew, which requires The Messiah to be
God---none
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15 Feb 2004 03:12:45 PM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:102te9phcs06838@corp.supernews.com...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c0i2mi$175a5j$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag news:102nvl2nc59uibd@corp.supernews.com...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c04g71$123vi8$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
I have blocked:
Mark Tindall - for severe and ongoing and false teaching
David Mattieu P.P. - for severe and ongoing slander and false teaching
GlennMcCleary/oldwetdog - for slander and false teaching (he does not
believe in the Holy Trinity)
tv-web Glenn - for slander
Donna Kupp - for very false teaching
Harold Kupp - - for very false teaching
That's it for the moment.
Please ignore all posts they might write about my friends or me,
because they only lie about us as the past has shown.
Did you know, that if you didn't block them, you could defend yourself ?
I do not have to defend anything, Glenn.
Many here interpret silence as confesion, or as losing a debate (I tend to
do the latter, I won, because they became lost for words)
Yes, but I would not mind. It is not important who wins. I have found out that
I have gained a lot of energy for many things, but I dislike defending something
I did. The energy for that seems to be completely lacking. As I know I did not do
anything wrong, I can see no sense in it. I only want to be a friend to everybody,
but they make it very difficult. And if I debated with some of the above mentioned,
nothing would come out of it. They have their answers already, and no good will.
I am not going to start defending myself against mean and evil
lies (as came from most of the above mentioned). I have got better
things to do.
No problem, but I still think kill-filing is a good idea
But as they say, we all have our opinions
Yes.
Sad that your faith is so weak that you can't have it challenged, as I
believe one of your "false-teachings" I am surprised not to see my name
listed. (Maybe its because I am not a regular in your pet ng (?))
You do not know much about my faith, as it seems.
But you could explain why you reject the Bible.
????
Seeing the Bible to say something you disagree with, like my believing one
of the things you declared to be heritical (note I haven't yet told you just
what that was), does NOT mean that I reject the Bible.
Okay, maybe you tell me more about that, if you want to. I have not said
you were a heretic.
If you are a born-again
I am being born again, yes. I told you already what I believe to be the
rebirth.
That was perfectly okay.
Yes, I explained how I had done everything which is considered to be done so
that one is "born again" by faith, but it hasn't happened yet.
What has not happened yet?
(but that isn't my Bible-based {as I read it} "heritical" belief)
Hmmm... It does not have to, I think. My believe is based on a personal
relationship to Jesus in the first instance. The Bible helps me, and I can
get to know my God better. I can find Him in the Bible, in the Old as as
well in the New Testament. God is always the same.
But do you want to know my opinion? If you are a Messianic Jew:
Congratulation!
I cannot tell you anything how to get into touch with God. You people are
usually much closer to God than we others could get. Maybe that is a bit
strange for outsiders, and they use to misinterpret you. I am not sure.
Please tell me if I write nonsense in your opinion.
Christian as you say, there will be no disharmony with it. Maybe you had
a bad start with it some day?
Huh ?
I am not sure which stance you take concerning the Bible... You are born again,
okay, I accept that. How is your relationship to God defined? How do you know
who God is?
<snip>
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
God's Bless,
And God Bless You :-)
Vera
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
PS Messiahnic Judaism / Jewish-Christianity has a problem with this "There
is no God beside me"
Annointed King's such as David were "Messiah's"--- there is no Jewish
prophecy, read as written in Hebrew, which requires The Messiah to be
God---none
I know what you mean, I think. I used to e-mail with a Jewish friend, we prayed
together! That was really great! He prayed to the One and Only, the Almighty,
and I to Jesus, and we were really in a wonderful harmony - no problem at all.
The problem I have is more with the term "Mystic". What do you mean by it?
Shalom,
Vera
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17 Feb 2004 08:33:52 AM |
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"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c0onnj$19sr0b$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag news:102te9phcs06838@corp.supernews.com...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c0i2mi$175a5j$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag news:102nvl2nc59uibd@corp.supernews.com...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c04g71$123vi8$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
<snip>
I do not have to defend anything, Glenn.
Many here interpret silence as confesion, or as losing a debate (I tend
to
do the latter, I won, because they became lost for words)
Yes, but I would not mind. It is not important who wins. I have found out
that
I have gained a lot of energy for many things, but I dislike defending
something
I did. The energy for that seems to be completely lacking. As I know I did
not do
anything wrong, I can see no sense in it. I only want to be a friend to
everybody,
but they make it very difficult. And if I debated with some of the above
mentioned,
nothing would come out of it. They have their answers already, and no good
will.
I kinda know what you mean I have been involved in many 'nowhere debates',
thing is we do, after a long time, come to 'agreeing to disagree' or some
sort of an end to these threads.
<snip>
I am being born again, yes. I told you already what I believe to be the
rebirth.
That was perfectly okay.
Yes, I explained how I had done everything which is considered to be
done so
that one is "born again" by faith, but it hasn't happened yet.
What has not happened yet?
The literal re-birth, when the corruptible puts on incorruption.
<snip>
Christian as you say, there will be no disharmony with it. Maybe you
had
a bad start with it some day?
Huh ?
I am not sure which stance you take concerning the Bible... You are born
again,
okay, I accept that. How is your relationship to God defined? How do you
know
who God is?
Not sure how to answer this, it is something I experience, in prayer, and
meditation, as well as our constant communication, He is just always
present...He is my lover, and my friend, surpassing all else.
Have I answered your questions ?
<snip>
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
PS Messiahnic Judaism / Jewish-Christianity has a problem with this
"There
is no God beside me"
Annointed King's such as David were "Messiah's"--- there is no Jewish
prophecy, read as written in Hebrew, which requires The Messiah to be
God---none
I know what you mean, I think. I used to e-mail with a Jewish friend, we
prayed
together! That was really great! He prayed to the One and Only, the
Almighty,
and I to Jesus, and we were really in a wonderful harmony - no problem at
all.
The problem I have is more with the term "Mystic". What do you mean by it?
Do you have trouble with Fundamentalism ? If not, you really shouldn't have
too much trouble with mysticism (Christian mysticism, that is); like
Fundamentalism, mysticism is found in all religions/faiths, prophets are
mystics, we are heavy into meditation, and our personal relationship /
direct communication in the Spirit, more than in what is written or
communicated from human sources. We are more inclined to seek the 'hidden'
over the obvious
I hope that eases your concern
Shalom,
:-) and peace (the peace which God gives, surpassing all understanding) to
you,
Vera
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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16 Feb 2004 10:53:13 AM |
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Corrections below, must have been 'off' that day...
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:102te9phcs06838@corp.supernews.com...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c0i2mi$175a5j$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag news:102nvl2nc59uibd@corp.supernews.com...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c04g71$123vi8$1@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
<snip>
I do not have to defend anything, Glenn.
Many here interpret silence as confession, or as losing a debate (I tend
to
do the latter, I won, because they became lost for words)
I am not going to start defending myself against mean and evil
lies (as came from most of the above mentioned). I have got better
things to do.
No problem, but I still don't think kill-filing is a good idea
But as they say, we all have our opinions
Sad that your faith is so weak that you can't have it challenged, as I
believe one of your "false-teachings" I am surprised not to see my
name
listed. (Maybe its because I am not a regular in your pet ng (?))
You do not know much about my faith, as it seems.
But you could explain why you reject the Bible.
????
Seeing the Bible to say something you disagree with, like my believing one
of the things you declared to be heritical (note I haven't yet told you
just
what that was), does NOT mean that I reject the Bible.
If you are a born-again
I am being born again, yes. I told you already what I believe to be the
rebirth.
Yes, I explained how I had done everything which is considered to be done
so
that one is "born again" by faith, but it hasn't happened yet.
(but that isn't my Bible-based {as I read it} "heritical" belief)
Christian as you say, there will be no disharmony with it. Maybe you had
a bad start with it some day?
Huh ?
<snip>
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
God's Bless,
And God Bless You :-)
Vera
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
PS Messiahnic Judaism / Jewish-Christianity has a problem with this "There
is no God beside me"
Anointed King's such as David were "Messiah's"--- there is no Jewish
prophecy, read as written in Hebrew, which requires The Messiah to be
God---none
And Jesus never claimed to be anything more than anointed
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09 Feb 2004 08:12:26 AM |
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"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message news:<c04g71$123vi8
How can I get on that list?
--AMF
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09 Feb 2004 09:08:08 AM |
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"A Mighty Fortress" <bhoffman7@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:752bcfdd.0402090612.3a7c9bb5@posting.google.com...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message news:<c04g71$123vi8
How can I get on that list?
--AMF
Hey, that is easy...
Just slander enough and insult me for some months, tell everybody I
was a dangerous cult leader, and teach others something that has
nothing to do with the Gospel...
Try it out... You must be patient with me, however. It will take
long ...
--
* Growing Deeper *
** Where Jesus is Lord ... **
*** http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ***
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| User: "A Mighty Fortress" |
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09 Feb 2004 08:25:42 PM |
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"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message news:<c0887v$149g1d$2@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"A Mighty Fortress" <bhoffman7@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:752bcfdd.0402090612.3a7c9bb5@posting.google.com...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message news:<c04g71$123vi8
How can I get on that list?
--AMF
Hey, that is easy...
Just slander enough and insult me for some months, tell everybody I
was a dangerous cult leader, and teach others something that has
nothing to do with the Gospel...
Try it out... You must be patient with me, however. It will take
long ...
Why would anyone think you were in a "cult". (I am guessing you are
not referring to a "cult" as in a generic group, but a member of the
OCULT, right?)Why would you be accused of that? Please be specific as
to the traits you believe others saw in you that would be deemed
"unchristian" in their eyes. This could become the first interesting
thread I have seen in a while.
Thanks,
--AMF
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10 Feb 2004 12:35:15 AM |
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"A Mighty Fortress" <bhoffman7@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:752bcfdd.0402091825.471219ad@posting.google.com...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message news:<c0887v$149g1d$2@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"A Mighty Fortress" <bhoffman7@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:752bcfdd.0402090612.3a7c9bb5@posting.google.com...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message news:<c04g71$123vi8
How can I get on that list?
--AMF
Hey, that is easy...
Just slander enough and insult me for some months, tell everybody I
was a dangerous cult leader, and teach others something that has
nothing to do with the Gospel...
Try it out... You must be patient with me, however. It will take
long ...
Why would anyone think you were in a "cult". (I am guessing you are
not referring to a "cult" as in a generic group, but a member of the
OCULT, right?)Why would you be accused of that? Please be specific as
to the traits you believe others saw in you that would be deemed
"unchristian" in their eyes. This could become the first interesting
thread I have seen in a while.
Thanks,
--AMF
Just go to my homepage and look there. You can find about me here:
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/vera.htm
and there:
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/testimonies.htm
Vera
--
* Growing Deeper *
** Where Jesus is Lord ... **
*** http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ***
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