Religions > Bible > Freemasonry: "We take good men and make them better men"
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06 Nov 2004 03:34:29 AM |
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Freemasonry: "We take good men and make them better men" |
Another part of the ceremony required inductees to insert an arm inside a
depiction of a horse's rear-end, where gobs of mayonnaise and other gooey
substances had been placed, a source familiar with the ceremony said.
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| User: "Stott" |
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| Title: Re: Freemasonry: "We take good men and make them better men" |
06 Nov 2004 04:42:56 AM |
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OK, I'm leaving
It's obvious that this group is primarily stupid and boring.
Next thing you'll say that they sucked boogers out of Satan's nose
Norwood Holden wrote:
Another part of the ceremony required inductees to insert an arm inside a
depiction of a horse's rear-end, where gobs of mayonnaise and other gooey
substances had been placed, a source familiar with the ceremony said.
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| User: "JB" |
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| Title: Re: Freemasonry: "We take good men and make them better men" |
06 Nov 2004 09:06:47 AM |
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"Stott" <estott@localnet.spamcommode> wrote in message
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OK, I'm leaving
It's obvious that this group is primarily stupid and boring.
Next thing you'll say that they sucked boogers out of Satan's nose
Norwood Holden wrote:
Another part of the ceremony required inductees to insert an arm
inside a depiction of a horse's rear-end, where gobs of mayonnaise
and other gooey substances had been placed, a source familiar with
the ceremony said.
Oh don't go! After a while their silly over the top foolishness is
quite funny. If you do go, try soc.org.freemasonry (The moderated
one!)
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| User: "Holden" |
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| Title: Re: Freemasonry: "We take good men and make them better men" |
06 Nov 2004 05:29:05 AM |
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Stott wrote:
OK, I'm leaving
It's obvious that this group is primarily stupid and boring.
Next thing you'll say that they sucked boogers out of Satan's nose
It is all true Stott. Read the whole thing here:
Widow of man slain in initiation prank struggles with loss
By Samuel Bruchey and Indrani Sen Staff Writers
March 11, 2004
On Monday night, Susan James watched a news broadcast about a shooting
inside
the Mason's Temple in Patchogue and hurried to the phone.
Her husband, William James, was due to be inducted into a Mason social
club
that night. So, with only sketchy details about who may have been injured,
she
called at least two women whose husbands were there as well.
Both told James they knew nothing, had not seen the story, but would reach
out
to their husbands, and find out what they could for her.
Hours passed, and the only news that came was delivered late Monday night
by
Suffolk homicide detectives, who told James that her 47-year-old husband
had
been shot and killed in a bizarre accident.
In the days since, not a single member of the Fellowcraft Club her husband
was
hoping to join, or the Southside Masonic Temple, has said anything to her.
"Where is the human in them?" she asked Wednesday. "They can tell me 'I
can't
talk about it,' and I would understand. But they can at least tell me 'I'm
sorry.' They were supposed to be Bill's brothers. Well, brothers don't
treat
brothers that way."
One member of the lodge who was interviewed outside the building Wednesday
afternoon suggested that no one had reached out to James' family because
they
are probably "so embarrassed that they haven't been able to call."
Another member who said he witnessed the shooting but declined to give his
name
said the Grand Master of Masons, who oversees all Masons throughout New
York,
had issued a gag order forbidding members from discussing the incident.
However, Robert Leonard, a spokesman for the Grand Lodge, said no such
directive has been issued.
Suffolk police said William James was shot through the nose by Albert Eid,
76,
a trustee who was leading the initiation ceremony.
Police gave this account: James was seated on a chair in the basement of
the
building. Tin cans were placed on a platform beside his head. Eid had
planned
to point a gun loaded only with blanks at the cans and fire while one of
about
10 other members present knocked the cans down with a stick. To make James
think he was really in danger, Eid had shown him a second handgun loaded
with
live ammunition. But as he stood 20 feet away, Eid pulled out the wrong
gun,
and fired a live round, killing James. Police have called the shooting an
accident, although the investigation is continuing.
Eid has been charged with second-degree manslaughter. His family declined
to
comment Wednesday.
"What are they doing with a gun in a building?" Susan James asked in a
telephone interview Wednesday. "Trying to scare people? Why? You don't
have to
do that to get them to trust you. These are grown men," she said. "Their
secret
little handshakes and wiggles and whatever. I don't understand these
games."
Another part of the ceremony required inductees to insert an arm inside a
depiction of a horse's rear-end, where gobs of mayonnaise and other gooey
substances had been placed, a source familiar with the ceremony said.
The basement of the lodge was adorned with a large replica guillotine for
show,
rat traps, and a mock plank that inductees were forced to walk
blindfolded.
One member of the club, who identified himself only as Joseph, 63, said
Wednesday that similar props had been used when he was inducted years ago,
including shooting cans that were placed beside his head. The ceremony,
however, was lighthearted and not meant to be seriously menacing.
"They used a cap gun," he said. "The guillotine is a joke. When I looked
at
those things, I knew they weren't going to hurt me."
Outside the shuttered lodge Wednesday, James' step-daughter, Tiffany
O'Reilly,
26, of Medford, placed two bunches of red and white roses and a sign
reading
"In memory of our beloved husband and father. We love you and miss you."
"We don't know anything," O'Reilly said. "We don't know what happened, we
don't
know what he was doing here ... we want to know."
Coming to the lodge after the shooting offered bitter irony to Susan
James. She
knew how much he enjoyed the organization. But had she known of its
practices,
she never would have wanted him to join.
"My husband and I were one person," she said. "We did everything together.
They
took that away from me."
Norwood Holden wrote:
Another part of the ceremony required inductees to insert an arm inside a
depiction of a horse's rear-end, where gobs of mayonnaise and other gooey
substances had been placed, a source familiar with the ceremony said.
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