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"old man joe" |
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14 Nov 2006 05:51:29 AM |
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Freetruth.info as conjured up by Sabbatarians... hypocrites to their own preaching... |
let those saved by Sovereign grace know they are always the object of
derision to the Sabbatarians... a Sabbatarians is someone who does no
work on Saturdays according to the Biblical meaning of keeping the
Sabbath holy.
but this is not what the Sabbatarians means when he hurls his insults
at the true child of God.
notice one of their typical quip's :
" Unfortunately, many church members also show their infidelity
by refusing to obey the commandment that commemorates
the mighty creative work of God:
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."
a Christian saved by grace is an " infidel " as far as a Sabbatarian
is concerned. this is how they keep the Commandment to " love thy
neighbor as thyself." " infidels " is the same word used by Islamic
terrorists.
*****************************************
these hate the doctrine of Sovereign grace. they insist that by
keeping selective commandments they have salvation through Law
keeping... they avoid the " love thy neighbor " commandment as already
shown.
when it comes to quoting Scripture the elect one of God who has
entered His rest will notice how they conveniently skip over those
verses which complete the context... the exact same ploy as used by
Satan and all of his cults.
instead, they leave out the completed context and direct the reader to
keeping the 10 Commandments... as though the 10 Commandments impart
salvation... which it does not. Gal. 3:21
the exegetes trying to prove their Sabbatarian point do not
understand the Scripture nor the power of God. they are proponents of
salvation by works. this of course is a boast of their flesh and
follows right alone the path of the legalistic Pharisees.
***********************************************
keeping the Sabbath holy is defined by God, not Sabbatarians :
"For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a
sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on
the sabbath day shall surely be put to death. " Exo 31:15
"It is to be a sabbath of solemn rest for you, that you may humble
your souls; it is a permanent statute." Lev 16:31
apart from the rebuff of the Pharisees towards Jesus claiming to be
the promised Messiah, He was consistently criticized by them for
profaning the Sabbath... they held the Sabbath as a means to their own
end... just like the legalism of Catholicism makes their leaders look
pious.
the legalism which flourished in Jesus time was the result of the
development of the synagogue during the Inter-Testemental period.
dozens of hair splitting harsh rules came about through rabbinical
teaching concerning correct Sabbath observance.
with the appearance of Messiah Jesus it was no wonder that on many
occasions He was thought to be an " infidel " just as the Sabbatarians
refer to true believers in Jesus by grace, today.
" And He was saying to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not
man for the Sabbath." ( Mar 2:27 ) tosses aside all the legalistic
mumbo jumbo spewing from the opponents of Jesus, as well as ours.
*************************************************
in Christ Jesus is to be found ' rest ' for all them that believe by
grace, ( Heb. 4:10 ) for in the Law of Commandments there is only
condemnation. Ro. 3:20
the believer is sanctified by the sanctification which is in Christ
( 1 Cor. 1:30 )... his faith is " of the faith of Jesus " (Gal. 3:22)
given to him ( Ps. 65:4 ) and did not come through legalism but by the
grace of God. Eph. 2:4-9
Sabbatarians, on the other hand, are best described by the words of
Jesus...
" You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have
eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of Me;
and you are unwilling to come to Me, that you may have life.
I do not receive glory from men; but I know you, that you do not
have the love of God in yourselves. " Joh. 5:39 ff
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| User: "Donna Kupp" |
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| Title: Re: Freetruth.info as conjured up by Sabbatarians... hypocrites to their own preaching...//Rom 3:31 |
14 Nov 2006 10:56:49 AM |
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Donna sez to oldman joe:
What is it Joe that you love in this world more than God?
What is the idol that rules your life instead of the Creator?
You hate the light of God's Commandments because your
deeds are evil. For if you obeyed them, you would know
that what I am saying is the truth. You would not be
endlessly wresting the scriptures so that you can convince
yourself that you can continue to disobey God and still have
eternal life. You are really cheating yourself!
For you to suggest that The Ten Commandments are not part of
the New Covenant is to wrest the words of Paul, who said:
"Do we then make void the law through faith?
God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Rom 3:31 (KJV)
The apostle Peter warns the church about men (like you)
who wrest the words of Paul and other scriptures to their own
destruction ...
" ... There are some things in them [Paul's letters] hard to
understand, which the IGNORANT and unstable twist to
their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.
You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand,
beware lest you be carried away
WITH THE ERROR OF LAWLESS MEN
and lose your own stability." 2 Peter 3:16-17 (RSV)
According to the scriptures, you are the ignorant, lawless
man that needs to get understanding ...
QUESTION: what is wisdom and understanding according
to the scriptures?
ANSWER:
1. " ... Behold, THE FEAR OF THE LORD, that is wisdom;
**and to depart from evil** IS UNDERSTANDING"
Job 28:28 (KJV)
2. "The fear of the LORD is THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM:
**a good understanding**
HAVE ALL THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS ..."
Ps 111:10 (KJV)
James tells us that if we lack wisdom, we must ask God for it:
"If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all
men liberally and upbraided not; and it shall be given him."
James 1:5
Wisdom and understanding lead men to the genuine faith in Christ
that is required for eternal life. That faith has the power to
change us from a sinful past to a new life of holiness.
Wisdom, understanding, repentance, and faith are priceless
gifts from God --ask Him!
Donna Kupp
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD,
AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17 (KJV)
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
www.freetruth.info
old man joe wrote:
let those saved by Sovereign grace know they are always the object of
derision to the Sabbatarians... a Sabbatarians is someone who does no
work on Saturdays according to the Biblical meaning of keeping the
Sabbath holy.
but this is not what the Sabbatarians means when he hurls his insults
at the true child of God.
notice one of their typical quip's :
" Unfortunately, many church members also show their infidelity
by refusing to obey the commandment that commemorates
the mighty creative work of God:
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."
a Christian saved by grace is an " infidel " as far as a Sabbatarian
is concerned. this is how they keep the Commandment to " love thy
neighbor as thyself." " infidels " is the same word used by Islamic
terrorists.
*****************************************
these hate the doctrine of Sovereign grace. they insist that by
keeping selective commandments they have salvation through Law
keeping... they avoid the " love thy neighbor " commandment as already
shown.
when it comes to quoting Scripture the elect one of God who has
entered His rest will notice how they conveniently skip over those
verses which complete the context... the exact same ploy as used by
Satan and all of his cults.
instead, they leave out the completed context and direct the reader to
keeping the 10 Commandments... as though the 10 Commandments impart
salvation... which it does not. Gal. 3:21
the exegetes trying to prove their Sabbatarian point do not
understand the Scripture nor the power of God. they are proponents of
salvation by works. this of course is a boast of their flesh and
follows right alone the path of the legalistic Pharisees.
***********************************************
keeping the Sabbath holy is defined by God, not Sabbatarians :
"For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a
sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on
the sabbath day shall surely be put to death. " Exo 31:15
"It is to be a sabbath of solemn rest for you, that you may humble
your souls; it is a permanent statute." Lev 16:31
apart from the rebuff of the Pharisees towards Jesus claiming to be
the promised Messiah, He was consistently criticized by them for
profaning the Sabbath... they held the Sabbath as a means to their own
end... just like the legalism of Catholicism makes their leaders look
pious.
the legalism which flourished in Jesus time was the result of the
development of the synagogue during the Inter-Testemental period.
dozens of hair splitting harsh rules came about through rabbinical
teaching concerning correct Sabbath observance.
with the appearance of Messiah Jesus it was no wonder that on many
occasions He was thought to be an " infidel " just as the Sabbatarians
refer to true believers in Jesus by grace, today.
" And He was saying to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not
man for the Sabbath." ( Mar 2:27 ) tosses aside all the legalistic
mumbo jumbo spewing from the opponents of Jesus, as well as ours.
*************************************************
in Christ Jesus is to be found ' rest ' for all them that believe by
grace, ( Heb. 4:10 ) for in the Law of Commandments there is only
condemnation. Ro. 3:20
the believer is sanctified by the sanctification which is in Christ
( 1 Cor. 1:30 )... his faith is " of the faith of Jesus " (Gal. 3:22)
given to him ( Ps. 65:4 ) and did not come through legalism but by the
grace of God. Eph. 2:4-9
Sabbatarians, on the other hand, are best described by the words of
Jesus...
" You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have
eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of Me;
and you are unwilling to come to Me, that you may have life.
I do not receive glory from men; but I know you, that you do not
have the love of God in yourselves. " Joh. 5:39 ff
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| User: "Wild Bill" |
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| Title: Re: Freetruth.info as conjured up by Sabbatarians... hypocrites to their own preaching...//Rom 3:31 |
14 Nov 2006 11:25:09 AM |
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"Donna Kupp" <dkupp@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1163523409.904656.177730@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Donna sez to oldman joe:
What is it Joe that you love in this world more than God?
What is the idol that rules your life instead of the Creator?
You hate the light of God's Commandments because your
deeds are evil. For if you obeyed them, you would know
that what I am saying is the truth. You would not be
endlessly wresting the scriptures so that you can convince
yourself that you can continue to disobey God and still have
eternal life. You are really cheating yourself!
For you to suggest that The Ten Commandments are not part of
the New Covenant is to wrest the words of Paul, who said:
"Do we then make void the law through faith?
God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Rom 3:31 (KJV)
The apostle Peter warns the church about men (like you)
who wrest the words of Paul and other scriptures to their own
destruction ...
" ... There are some things in them [Paul's letters] hard to
understand, which the IGNORANT and unstable twist to
their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.
You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand,
beware lest you be carried away
WITH THE ERROR OF LAWLESS MEN
and lose your own stability." 2 Peter 3:16-17 (RSV)
According to the scriptures, you are the ignorant, lawless
man that needs to get understanding ...
QUESTION: what is wisdom and understanding according
to the scriptures?
ANSWER:
1. " ... Behold, THE FEAR OF THE LORD, that is wisdom;
**and to depart from evil** IS UNDERSTANDING"
Job 28:28 (KJV)
2. "The fear of the LORD is THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM:
**a good understanding**
HAVE ALL THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS ..."
Ps 111:10 (KJV)
James tells us that if we lack wisdom, we must ask God for it:
"If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all
men liberally and upbraided not; and it shall be given him."
James 1:5
Wisdom and understanding lead men to the genuine faith in Christ
that is required for eternal life. That faith has the power to
change us from a sinful past to a new life of holiness.
Wisdom, understanding, repentance, and faith are priceless
gifts from God --ask Him!
Donna Kupp
Sockitooem, Donna...but you're as deluded as joe is!
Shalom,
Bill
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD,
AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17 (KJV)
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
www.freetruth.info
old man joe wrote:
let those saved by Sovereign grace know they are always the object of
derision to the Sabbatarians... a Sabbatarians is someone who does no
work on Saturdays according to the Biblical meaning of keeping the
Sabbath holy.
but this is not what the Sabbatarians means when he hurls his insults
at the true child of God.
notice one of their typical quip's :
" Unfortunately, many church members also show their infidelity
by refusing to obey the commandment that commemorates
the mighty creative work of God:
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."
a Christian saved by grace is an " infidel " as far as a Sabbatarian
is concerned. this is how they keep the Commandment to " love thy
neighbor as thyself." " infidels " is the same word used by Islamic
terrorists.
*****************************************
these hate the doctrine of Sovereign grace. they insist that by
keeping selective commandments they have salvation through Law
keeping... they avoid the " love thy neighbor " commandment as already
shown.
when it comes to quoting Scripture the elect one of God who has
entered His rest will notice how they conveniently skip over those
verses which complete the context... the exact same ploy as used by
Satan and all of his cults.
instead, they leave out the completed context and direct the reader to
keeping the 10 Commandments... as though the 10 Commandments impart
salvation... which it does not. Gal. 3:21
the exegetes trying to prove their Sabbatarian point do not
understand the Scripture nor the power of God. they are proponents of
salvation by works. this of course is a boast of their flesh and
follows right alone the path of the legalistic Pharisees.
***********************************************
keeping the Sabbath holy is defined by God, not Sabbatarians :
"For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a
sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on
the sabbath day shall surely be put to death. " Exo 31:15
"It is to be a sabbath of solemn rest for you, that you may humble
your souls; it is a permanent statute." Lev 16:31
apart from the rebuff of the Pharisees towards Jesus claiming to be
the promised Messiah, He was consistently criticized by them for
profaning the Sabbath... they held the Sabbath as a means to their own
end... just like the legalism of Catholicism makes their leaders look
pious.
the legalism which flourished in Jesus time was the result of the
development of the synagogue during the Inter-Testemental period.
dozens of hair splitting harsh rules came about through rabbinical
teaching concerning correct Sabbath observance.
with the appearance of Messiah Jesus it was no wonder that on many
occasions He was thought to be an " infidel " just as the Sabbatarians
refer to true believers in Jesus by grace, today.
" And He was saying to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not
man for the Sabbath." ( Mar 2:27 ) tosses aside all the legalistic
mumbo jumbo spewing from the opponents of Jesus, as well as ours.
*************************************************
in Christ Jesus is to be found ' rest ' for all them that believe by
grace, ( Heb. 4:10 ) for in the Law of Commandments there is only
condemnation. Ro. 3:20
the believer is sanctified by the sanctification which is in Christ
( 1 Cor. 1:30 )... his faith is " of the faith of Jesus " (Gal. 3:22)
given to him ( Ps. 65:4 ) and did not come through legalism but by the
grace of God. Eph. 2:4-9
Sabbatarians, on the other hand, are best described by the words of
Jesus...
" You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have
eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of Me;
and you are unwilling to come to Me, that you may have life.
I do not receive glory from men; but I know you, that you do not
have the love of God in yourselves. " Joh. 5:39 ff
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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| Title: Re: Freetruth.info as conjured up by Sabbatarians... hypocrites to their own preaching...//Rom 3:31 |
14 Nov 2006 06:42:14 PM |
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"Donna Kupp" <dkupp@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1163523409.904656.177730@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Donna sez to oldman joe:
What is it Joe that you love in this world more than God?
What is the idol that rules your life instead of the Creator?
You hate the light of God's Commandments because your
deeds are evil. For if you obeyed them, you would know
that what I am saying is the truth. You would not be
endlessly wresting the scriptures so that you can convince
yourself that you can continue to disobey God and still have
eternal life. You are really cheating yourself!
This is proof that Christianity sets believer against believer.
To speak nothing of the fact that it does nothing to convince the unbeliever
(which is what it should be doing).
Lets not even mention that Christianity does diddly to help solve the
problem of growing crime in God's future kingdom to be.
If Christianity was merely useless then it would be better than it is now.
That's a bit harsh actually. There are many Christian outreaches and
charities. Sigh. The things we have to do to make up for God's lack of
power to provide for his people and control evil.
One could easily be forgiven for thinking that there is no God.
--
Andrew W.
A god who requires bloodshed and suffering of the innocent in order to
forgive can only be an evil god, and anyone who gleefully supports this kind
of god character is insane.
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.fipdata.org/index.html
For you to suggest that The Ten Commandments are not part of
the New Covenant is to wrest the words of Paul, who said:
"Do we then make void the law through faith?
God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Rom 3:31 (KJV)
The apostle Peter warns the church about men (like you)
who wrest the words of Paul and other scriptures to their own
destruction ...
" ... There are some things in them [Paul's letters] hard to
understand, which the IGNORANT and unstable twist to
their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.
You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand,
beware lest you be carried away
WITH THE ERROR OF LAWLESS MEN
and lose your own stability." 2 Peter 3:16-17 (RSV)
According to the scriptures, you are the ignorant, lawless
man that needs to get understanding ...
QUESTION: what is wisdom and understanding according
to the scriptures?
ANSWER:
1. " ... Behold, THE FEAR OF THE LORD, that is wisdom;
**and to depart from evil** IS UNDERSTANDING"
Job 28:28 (KJV)
2. "The fear of the LORD is THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM:
**a good understanding**
HAVE ALL THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS ..."
Ps 111:10 (KJV)
James tells us that if we lack wisdom, we must ask God for it:
"If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all
men liberally and upbraided not; and it shall be given him."
James 1:5
Wisdom and understanding lead men to the genuine faith in Christ
that is required for eternal life. That faith has the power to
change us from a sinful past to a new life of holiness.
Wisdom, understanding, repentance, and faith are priceless
gifts from God --ask Him!
Donna Kupp
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD,
AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17 (KJV)
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
www.freetruth.info
old man joe wrote:
let those saved by Sovereign grace know they are always the object of
derision to the Sabbatarians... a Sabbatarians is someone who does no
work on Saturdays according to the Biblical meaning of keeping the
Sabbath holy.
but this is not what the Sabbatarians means when he hurls his insults
at the true child of God.
notice one of their typical quip's :
" Unfortunately, many church members also show their infidelity
by refusing to obey the commandment that commemorates
the mighty creative work of God:
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."
a Christian saved by grace is an " infidel " as far as a Sabbatarian
is concerned. this is how they keep the Commandment to " love thy
neighbor as thyself." " infidels " is the same word used by Islamic
terrorists.
*****************************************
these hate the doctrine of Sovereign grace. they insist that by
keeping selective commandments they have salvation through Law
keeping... they avoid the " love thy neighbor " commandment as already
shown.
when it comes to quoting Scripture the elect one of God who has
entered His rest will notice how they conveniently skip over those
verses which complete the context... the exact same ploy as used by
Satan and all of his cults.
instead, they leave out the completed context and direct the reader to
keeping the 10 Commandments... as though the 10 Commandments impart
salvation... which it does not. Gal. 3:21
the exegetes trying to prove their Sabbatarian point do not
understand the Scripture nor the power of God. they are proponents of
salvation by works. this of course is a boast of their flesh and
follows right alone the path of the legalistic Pharisees.
***********************************************
keeping the Sabbath holy is defined by God, not Sabbatarians :
"For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a
sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on
the sabbath day shall surely be put to death. " Exo 31:15
"It is to be a sabbath of solemn rest for you, that you may humble
your souls; it is a permanent statute." Lev 16:31
apart from the rebuff of the Pharisees towards Jesus claiming to be
the promised Messiah, He was consistently criticized by them for
profaning the Sabbath... they held the Sabbath as a means to their own
end... just like the legalism of Catholicism makes their leaders look
pious.
the legalism which flourished in Jesus time was the result of the
development of the synagogue during the Inter-Testemental period.
dozens of hair splitting harsh rules came about through rabbinical
teaching concerning correct Sabbath observance.
with the appearance of Messiah Jesus it was no wonder that on many
occasions He was thought to be an " infidel " just as the Sabbatarians
refer to true believers in Jesus by grace, today.
" And He was saying to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not
man for the Sabbath." ( Mar 2:27 ) tosses aside all the legalistic
mumbo jumbo spewing from the opponents of Jesus, as well as ours.
*************************************************
in Christ Jesus is to be found ' rest ' for all them that believe by
grace, ( Heb. 4:10 ) for in the Law of Commandments there is only
condemnation. Ro. 3:20
the believer is sanctified by the sanctification which is in Christ
( 1 Cor. 1:30 )... his faith is " of the faith of Jesus " (Gal. 3:22)
given to him ( Ps. 65:4 ) and did not come through legalism but by the
grace of God. Eph. 2:4-9
Sabbatarians, on the other hand, are best described by the words of
Jesus...
" You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have
eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of Me;
and you are unwilling to come to Me, that you may have life.
I do not receive glory from men; but I know you, that you do not
have the love of God in yourselves. " Joh. 5:39 ff
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| Title: THE SLANDERERS OF JESUS |
14 Nov 2006 11:11:16 AM |
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THE SLANDERERS OF JESUS
Jesus and his disciples were poor itinerant preachers
who sometimes had no certain dwelling place. On one
occasion, Jesus said:
" ... The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests;
but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head."
Matt 8;20 (KJV)
Like the birds of the air, Jesus and his disciples came to the
lowly condition where they plucked their food from ears of
corn to satisfy their hunger.
"At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the
corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to
pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him,
Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do
upon the sabbath day." (Matt 12:-2)
When the Pharisees saw the pressing needs of Jesus and his
disciples, they should have taken their poor brethren into
their homes and shared their bread with them. Instead, they
hardened their hearts and proved unworthy of the kingdom
of God. It was the Pharisees who broke God's law!
(See Isa 58:7; Deut 15:7 and Matt 10:6-15)
Men can harden their hearts and oppress the poor of God's
people --but God is merciful. In the law of Moses, God
made provision for the poor and stranger so they could eat
to satisfy their hunger without stealing or breaking the
Sabbath Commandment.
"When thou comest into thy neighbour's vineyard,
then thou mayest eat grapes thy fill
AT THINE OWN PLEASURE;
*but thou shalt not put any in thy vessel*
When thou comest into the standing corn of thy neighbour,
then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand;
**but thou shalt not move a sickle**
unto thy neighbour's standing corn."
Deut 23:24-25 (KJV)
Jesus Christ knew how to observe the Sabbath. He is Lord
of the Sabbath! He sanctified it at creation. He spoke the
Sabbath Commandment on Mount Sinai, wrote it in stone
and will judge all those who disobey it.
Jesus said that they were GUILTLESS!
"But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy,
and **not sacrifice**, ye would not have condemned
the GUILTLESS ..." Matt 12:7 (KJV)
The scriptures testify that Jesus was without sin. Sin
(transgression of the law) requires a sacrifice. If Jesus had
broken the Sabbath, we would not have a saviour; because
he would have died for his own sins.
Those Pharisees falsely accused Jesus of breaking the
Sabbath Commandment --and some so-called Christians are
doing the very same thing today!
Donna Kupp
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD,
AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17 (KJV)
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
www.freetruth.info
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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| Title: Re: THE SLANDERERS OF JESUS |
14 Nov 2006 05:43:39 PM |
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"Donna Kupp" <dkupp@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1163524276.086823.185620@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
THE SLANDERERS OF JESUS
Jesus and his disciples were poor itinerant preachers
who sometimes had no certain dwelling place. On one
occasion, Jesus said:
" ... The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests;
but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head."
Matt 8;20 (KJV)
One would think that God would provide for his only son.
Maybe the reason he didn't was because he was a fake. Its the only logical
reason.
--
Andrew W.
A god who requires bloodshed and suffering of the innocent in order to
forgive can only be an evil god, and anyone who gleefully supports this kind
of god character is insane.
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.fipdata.org/index.html
Like the birds of the air, Jesus and his disciples came to the
lowly condition where they plucked their food from ears of
corn to satisfy their hunger.
"At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the
corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to
pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him,
Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do
upon the sabbath day." (Matt 12:-2)
When the Pharisees saw the pressing needs of Jesus and his
disciples, they should have taken their poor brethren into
their homes and shared their bread with them. Instead, they
hardened their hearts and proved unworthy of the kingdom
of God. It was the Pharisees who broke God's law!
(See Isa 58:7; Deut 15:7 and Matt 10:6-15)
Men can harden their hearts and oppress the poor of God's
people --but God is merciful. In the law of Moses, God
made provision for the poor and stranger so they could eat
to satisfy their hunger without stealing or breaking the
Sabbath Commandment.
"When thou comest into thy neighbour's vineyard,
then thou mayest eat grapes thy fill
AT THINE OWN PLEASURE;
*but thou shalt not put any in thy vessel*
When thou comest into the standing corn of thy neighbour,
then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand;
**but thou shalt not move a sickle**
unto thy neighbour's standing corn."
Deut 23:24-25 (KJV)
Jesus Christ knew how to observe the Sabbath. He is Lord
of the Sabbath! He sanctified it at creation. He spoke the
Sabbath Commandment on Mount Sinai, wrote it in stone
and will judge all those who disobey it.
Jesus said that they were GUILTLESS!
"But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy,
and **not sacrifice**, ye would not have condemned
the GUILTLESS ..." Matt 12:7 (KJV)
The scriptures testify that Jesus was without sin. Sin
(transgression of the law) requires a sacrifice. If Jesus had
broken the Sabbath, we would not have a saviour; because
he would have died for his own sins.
Those Pharisees falsely accused Jesus of breaking the
Sabbath Commandment --and some so-called Christians are
doing the very same thing today!
Donna Kupp
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD,
AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17 (KJV)
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
www.freetruth.info
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14 Nov 2006 06:38:16 PM |
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On 14 Nov 2006 09:11:16 -0800, "Donna Kupp" <dkupp@charter.net> wrote:
THE SLANDERERS OF JESUS
Jesus and his disciples were poor itinerant preachers
who sometimes had no certain dwelling place. On one
occasion, Jesus said:
" ... The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests;
but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head."
Matt 8;20 (KJV)
Like the birds of the air, Jesus and his disciples came to the
lowly condition where they plucked their food from ears of
corn to satisfy their hunger.
"At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the
corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to
pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him,
Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do
upon the sabbath day." (Matt 12:-2)
When the Pharisees saw the pressing needs of Jesus and his
disciples, they should have taken their poor brethren into
their homes and shared their bread with them. Instead, they
hardened their hearts and proved unworthy of the kingdom
of God. It was the Pharisees who broke God's law!
(See Isa 58:7; Deut 15:7 and Matt 10:6-15)
Men can harden their hearts and oppress the poor of God's
people --but God is merciful. In the law of Moses, God
made provision for the poor and stranger so they could eat
to satisfy their hunger without stealing or breaking the
Sabbath Commandment.
"When thou comest into thy neighbour's vineyard,
then thou mayest eat grapes thy fill
AT THINE OWN PLEASURE;
*but thou shalt not put any in thy vessel*
When thou comest into the standing corn of thy neighbour,
then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand;
**but thou shalt not move a sickle**
unto thy neighbour's standing corn."
Deut 23:24-25 (KJV)
Jesus Christ knew how to observe the Sabbath. He is Lord
of the Sabbath! He sanctified it at creation. He spoke the
Sabbath Commandment on Mount Sinai, wrote it in stone
and will judge all those who disobey it.
Jesus said that they were GUILTLESS!
"But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy,
and **not sacrifice**, ye would not have condemned
the GUILTLESS ..." Matt 12:7 (KJV)
The scriptures testify that Jesus was without sin. Sin
(transgression of the law) requires a sacrifice. If Jesus had
broken the Sabbath, we would not have a saviour; because
he would have died for his own sins.
Those Pharisees falsely accused Jesus of breaking the
Sabbath Commandment --and some so-called Christians are
doing the very same thing today!
Donna Kupp
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD,
AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17 (KJV)
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
www.freetruth.info
You describe the life of an Essene. There were uncountable numbers of
self-proclaimed messiahs among their number. All maintained a distance
between themselves and any type of materialism.
One theory holds that Jesus was actually an Essene named John who lived
in about 400BC. There seems to be some historical basis for this
conclusion.
At any rate, whoever and whatever, jesus was not a god nor was he
related to god. Can you imagine the god of 2000 years ago when the
world was deemed to be flat and men believed a woman could be turned
into a column of salt?
How sad -- some people do believe in such dribble.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: THE SLANDERERS OF JESUS |
15 Nov 2006 07:47:15 AM |
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More Bible nonsense!
"Opie" <OTaylor@MayberryRFD.net> wrote in message
news:74okl25n7hdhhsm6imgq2l5iu1lu1tb2b7@4ax.com...
On 14 Nov 2006 09:11:16 -0800, "Donna Kupp" <dkupp@charter.net> wrote:
THE SLANDERERS OF JESUS
Jesus and his disciples were poor itinerant preachers
who sometimes had no certain dwelling place. On one
occasion, Jesus said:
" ... The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests;
but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head."
Matt 8;20 (KJV)
Like the birds of the air, Jesus and his disciples came to the
lowly condition where they plucked their food from ears of
corn to satisfy their hunger.
"At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the
corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to
pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him,
Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do
upon the sabbath day." (Matt 12:-2)
When the Pharisees saw the pressing needs of Jesus and his
disciples, they should have taken their poor brethren into
their homes and shared their bread with them. Instead, they
hardened their hearts and proved unworthy of the kingdom
of God. It was the Pharisees who broke God's law!
(See Isa 58:7; Deut 15:7 and Matt 10:6-15)
Men can harden their hearts and oppress the poor of God's
people --but God is merciful. In the law of Moses, God
made provision for the poor and stranger so they could eat
to satisfy their hunger without stealing or breaking the
Sabbath Commandment.
"When thou comest into thy neighbour's vineyard,
then thou mayest eat grapes thy fill
AT THINE OWN PLEASURE;
*but thou shalt not put any in thy vessel*
When thou comest into the standing corn of thy neighbour,
then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand;
**but thou shalt not move a sickle**
unto thy neighbour's standing corn."
Deut 23:24-25 (KJV)
Jesus Christ knew how to observe the Sabbath. He is Lord
of the Sabbath! He sanctified it at creation. He spoke the
Sabbath Commandment on Mount Sinai, wrote it in stone
and will judge all those who disobey it.
Jesus said that they were GUILTLESS!
"But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy,
and **not sacrifice**, ye would not have condemned
the GUILTLESS ..." Matt 12:7 (KJV)
The scriptures testify that Jesus was without sin. Sin
(transgression of the law) requires a sacrifice. If Jesus had
broken the Sabbath, we would not have a saviour; because
he would have died for his own sins.
Those Pharisees falsely accused Jesus of breaking the
Sabbath Commandment --and some so-called Christians are
doing the very same thing today!
Donna Kupp
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD,
AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17 (KJV)
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
www.freetruth.info
You describe the life of an Essene. There were uncountable numbers of
self-proclaimed messiahs among their number. All maintained a distance
between themselves and any type of materialism.
One theory holds that Jesus was actually an Essene named John who lived
in about 400BC. There seems to be some historical basis for this
conclusion.
At any rate, whoever and whatever, jesus was not a god nor was he
related to god. Can you imagine the god of 2000 years ago when the
world was deemed to be flat and men believed a woman could be turned
into a column of salt?
How sad -- some people do believe in such dribble.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: THE SLANDERERS OF JESUS |
14 Nov 2006 03:40:10 PM |
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Pure myth and fable!
"Donna Kupp" <dkupp@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1163524276.086823.185620@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
THE SLANDERERS OF JESUS
Jesus and his disciples were poor itinerant preachers
who sometimes had no certain dwelling place. On one
occasion, Jesus said:
" ... The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests;
but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head."
Matt 8;20 (KJV)
Like the birds of the air, Jesus and his disciples came to the
lowly condition where they plucked their food from ears of
corn to satisfy their hunger.
"At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the
corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to
pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him,
Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do
upon the sabbath day." (Matt 12:-2)
When the Pharisees saw the pressing needs of Jesus and his
disciples, they should have taken their poor brethren into
their homes and shared their bread with them. Instead, they
hardened their hearts and proved unworthy of the kingdom
of God. It was the Pharisees who broke God's law!
(See Isa 58:7; Deut 15:7 and Matt 10:6-15)
Men can harden their hearts and oppress the poor of God's
people --but God is merciful. In the law of Moses, God
made provision for the poor and stranger so they could eat
to satisfy their hunger without stealing or breaking the
Sabbath Commandment.
"When thou comest into thy neighbour's vineyard,
then thou mayest eat grapes thy fill
AT THINE OWN PLEASURE;
*but thou shalt not put any in thy vessel*
When thou comest into the standing corn of thy neighbour,
then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand;
**but thou shalt not move a sickle**
unto thy neighbour's standing corn."
Deut 23:24-25 (KJV)
Jesus Christ knew how to observe the Sabbath. He is Lord
of the Sabbath! He sanctified it at creation. He spoke the
Sabbath Commandment on Mount Sinai, wrote it in stone
and will judge all those who disobey it.
Jesus said that they were GUILTLESS!
"But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy,
and **not sacrifice**, ye would not have condemned
the GUILTLESS ..." Matt 12:7 (KJV)
The scriptures testify that Jesus was without sin. Sin
(transgression of the law) requires a sacrifice. If Jesus had
broken the Sabbath, we would not have a saviour; because
he would have died for his own sins.
Those Pharisees falsely accused Jesus of breaking the
Sabbath Commandment --and some so-called Christians are
doing the very same thing today!
Donna Kupp
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD,
AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17 (KJV)
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
www.freetruth.info
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| User: "Donna Kupp" |
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| Title: Re: Freetruth.info as conjured up by Sabbatarians... hypocrites to their own preaching... |
14 Nov 2006 10:20:24 AM |
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WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE SAVED BY GRACE?
"The popular definition of GRACE is "unmerited favor". Therefore we
are told that to be saved by grace is to be saved by unmerited favor.
Is that really true? I used to think so until I searched God's word.
By using a good concordance and looking up every appearance of the word
"charis" or grace, I found that its use fits mainly into these three
categories:
1. Calling
2. Salvation
3. Ministry
Let's look at the category of MINISTRY first.
The Apostle Paul often speaks of the grace given him to be a minister.
Consider Ephesians 3:7-8:
"Of this gospel I was made a minister according to the gift of
God's grace which was given me by the working of his POWER. To
me...this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable
riches of Christ."
Notice that here Paul speaks of grace as if it was a divine enabling or
empowering: "this grace was given to preach" he says, "by the working
of his power." This is why Strong's Dictionary gives the figurative
meaning of grace as "divine influence upon the heart". There seems to
be
no room for doubt of this definition when Paul says:
"By the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was
not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though
it was not I, but the grace of God which is with me." (1 Cor 15:10)
And we must not ignore that passage in 2 Corinthians 12:9 so dear
and comforting to many, in which Paul sought the Lord three times about
the affliction he was suffering. The Lord's response was this:
"My GRACE is sufficient for thee: for my STRENGTH is made perfect
in weakness."
Paul adds:
Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that
THE POWER OF CHRIST may rest upon me."
There it is friends, with no room for doubt - His grace and his
strength
and power are one and the same. Whenever we wonder what God's grace
means, we should think of this verse and its proof that grace means
"divine empowering".
Now lets take a look at the second category: SALVATION.
What happens to the view that grace is divine empowering when we
consider the verses that concern salvation? Let's take a look at a few
and decide. In Acts 20:32, Paul said to the Ephesian brethren:
"And now I commend you to God and the word of his grace, which is
able to BUILD YOU UP and give you the inheritance among all those who
are sanctified."
In that passage, God's grace is identified with holy living, and
likewise in Titus 2:11 Paul says:
"For the grace of God has appeared for the salvation of all men,
TRAINING US to renounce irreligion and worldly passions, and to live
sober, upright and godly lives".
Here, God's grace is responsible for training us to turn from sin and
live righteously. So we find that when applied to salvation, the
definition of grace as divine empowering seems unquestionable. You
might
be surprised to know that Webster's Dictionary agrees with this aspect
of grace. It says:
grace "in theology,...(b) divine influence acting in man
to restrain him from sin."
And so, when we consider our question "What does it mean to be "saved
by
grace?" as found in Ephesians 2:8:
"For by grace are ye saved through faith."
we see that through faith, we are saved by the divine influence of God
which restrains us from all sin and trains us to "live godly and
upright
lives". To be saved by grace is that supernatural transformation from
a
commandment-breaker into a commandment-keeper.
And yet before I began to study this subject of God's grace, I had
always been taught that grace had this one meaning: "Unmerited
Favor!".
Doubtless, many of you readers have been exposed to this same idea.
Where did this idea of grace as simply unmerited favor come from?
The answer is found in the third category: CALLING!
When God called us, that is when He put a burden on our hearts to seek
Him through His Son, it was on the basis of His grace, or "unmerited
favor". We did nothing to earn this "calling". Neither were we called
on the basis of our own goodness. That is Paul's message in Romans
11:5-6:
"So too at the present time there is a remnant CHOSEN BY GRACE.
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise
grace would no longer be grace."
When God called us out of a life of sin to walk with Him, He chose us,
not because of any merit on our part. He simply had "mercy upon whom
He
would have mercy".
Well, by now you might be asking: "This is all very interesting,
but what is its importance to me as a Christian? Friends, here is the
importance of understanding grace. In the Apostle John's description of
the holy city, it says:
"Blessed are they that DO his commandments, that they may have
right to the tree of life..." (Rev 22:14)
There is a necessity laid upon us to make our lives spotless and
undefiled in the sight of God. It is the grace of God, or "divine
empowering" that gives us the power to keep his commandments. It is a
serious error to replace that definition of grace with "unmerited
favor". The tragic result of that error is that we end up thinking that
this necessity for holiness does not exist; that eternal life is
arbitrarily handed out as a gift by unmerited favor with no effort
required on our part. We might consider obedience to God's
commandments to be a good idea that keeps us out of trouble and earns
us
rewards in heaven.
But, we conclude, even though we might disobey God's commandments
"occasionally", we will still have eternal life because salvation is by
the grace of unmerited favor.
That idea may make sense to us, but friends we have arrived at
that
conclusion through a mistaken concept of grace. Let us remember:
THE GRACE OF GOD DOES NOT REMOVE THE NEED
FOR HOLINESS,
ON THE CONTRARY...
HIS GRACE MAKES POSSIBLE THE HOLINESS WE NEED.
If we continue to commit sin, on Judgement Day we will be among
those who called Jesus 'Lord, Lord', but will be told by Him:
"Depart from me ye that work iniquity" (Matt 7:23)
Those poor souls had been called by God's grace (unmerited favor) but
refused God's grace (divine influence to restrain from sin). Their end
is eternal destruction!"
John Condon (Edited by Harold and Donna Kupp)
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD,
AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17 (KJV)
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
www.freetruth.info
old man joe wrote:
let those saved by Sovereign grace know they are always the object of
derision to the Sabbatarians... a Sabbatarians is someone who does no
work on Saturdays according to the Biblical meaning of keeping the
Sabbath holy.
but this is not what the Sabbatarians means when he hurls his insults
at the true child of God.
notice one of their typical quip's :
" Unfortunately, many church members also show their infidelity
by refusing to obey the commandment that commemorates
the mighty creative work of God:
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."
a Christian saved by grace is an " infidel " as far as a Sabbatarian
is concerned. this is how they keep the Commandment to " love thy
neighbor as thyself." " infidels " is the same word used by Islamic
terrorists.
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these hate the doctrine of Sovereign grace. they insist that by
keeping selective commandments they have salvation through Law
keeping... they avoid the " love thy neighbor " commandment as already
shown.
when it comes to quoting Scripture the elect one of God who has
entered His rest will notice how they conveniently skip over those
verses which complete the context... the exact same ploy as used by
Satan and all of his cults.
instead, they leave out the completed context and direct the reader to
keeping the 10 Commandments... as though the 10 Commandments impart
salvation... which it does not. Gal. 3:21
the exegetes trying to prove their Sabbatarian point do not
understand the Scripture nor the power of God. they are proponents of
salvation by works. this of course is a boast of their flesh and
follows right alone the path of the legalistic Pharisees.
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keeping the Sabbath holy is defined by God, not Sabbatarians :
"For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a
sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on
the sabbath day shall surely be put to death. " Exo 31:15
"It is to be a sabbath of solemn rest for you, that you may humble
your souls; it is a permanent statute." Lev 16:31
apart from the rebuff of the Pharisees towards Jesus claiming to be
the promised Messiah, He was consistently criticized by them for
profaning the Sabbath... they held the Sabbath as a means to their own
end... just like the legalism of Catholicism makes their leaders look
pious.
the legalism which flourished in Jesus time was the result of the
development of the synagogue during the Inter-Testemental period.
dozens of hair splitting harsh rules came about through rabbinical
teaching concerning correct Sabbath observance.
with the appearance of Messiah Jesus it was no wonder that on many
occasions He was thought to be an " infidel " just as the Sabbatarians
refer to true believers in Jesus by grace, today.
" And He was saying to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not
man for the Sabbath." ( Mar 2:27 ) tosses aside all the legalistic
mumbo jumbo spewing from the opponents of Jesus, as well as ours.
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in Christ Jesus is to be found ' rest ' for all them that believe by
grace, ( Heb. 4:10 ) for in the Law of Commandments there is only
condemnation. Ro. 3:20
the believer is sanctified by the sanctification which is in Christ
( 1 Cor. 1:30 )... his faith is " of the faith of Jesus " (Gal. 3:22)
given to him ( Ps. 65:4 ) and did not come through legalism but by the
grace of God. Eph. 2:4-9
Sabbatarians, on the other hand, are best described by the words of
Jesus...
" You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have
eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of Me;
and you are unwilling to come to Me, that you may have life.
I do not receive glory from men; but I know you, that you do not
have the love of God in yourselves. " Joh. 5:39 ff
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