| Topic: |
Religions > Bible |
| User: |
"Timothy Sutter" |
| Date: |
12 Dec 2003 10:22:06 PM |
| Object: |
Fulfilled in Christ |
something else funny;
Paul says Hagar and Sarah are two covenants,
and that one is -bound- and one is -free-,
but Hagar is -Sarai's- handmaid and bears
children for Abraham at -Sarai's- request,
because Sarai is unable to bear
children of her own, and then,
all of a sudden, Sarah bears
children of her own.
it's almost as if, the "princess"
is under the guidance of an overseer
until such time as she becomes a "queen"
Sarai = princess
Sarah = queen
and then you get all that Solomon
"don't stir up love before its time" routine.
so anyway, if Sarah is the covenant of promise
and Hagar is the convenant of contract law
the promise bears children by contract law
until such time as the promise is fulfilled.
but also, in actual practice,
the children under contract are already born
and so, the contract is used as a temporary
governing authority until such time as
the children are -reborn- into the promise.
i know i know, the children of the -bound-
woman will never be apportioned along with
the children of the free woman.
but; "flesh and blood shall not inherit the Kingdom of God"
so, not only do Hagar and Sarah represent
two covenants, but also, two births,
the first birth is unto the temporary dwellings
in the flesh and the second birth is unto the
eternal dwellings in the Spirit.
why can't Sarai bear
children of her own
immediately?
once again, it is God's will and not
man's desires that bring this work
to completion.
we shouldn't suggest that Hagar
is a slavery, but a -binding-
contractual relationship.
and we do not suggest that Sarah is free
-from- the contract, or free -in spite of-
the contract, but free in fulfillment
of the contract.
the contract that was entered in to by promise.
where, when God says;
"i promise to do this"
God -is- bound by oath.
that is, God's promise -is-
a binding contract and
cannot be broken.
the promise -is- the contract.
subsequent stipulations bring the
temporary to look toward the eternal
for ultimate salvation by grace.
and God leaves Abraham with Laughter.
get it? "Isaac..-->..laughter"?
...ha ha...oh nevermind.
anyway,
see yourself as there,
and you will be there.
see yourself in chains, and you
can never understand freedom.
see yourself as bound to God,
and Love is yours.
if you were born under contract,
seek to fulfill it,
if you were not born under contract,
seek first the Kingdom of God, and
and God will bless you as a Holy Temple.
no hidden sanity clauses
just a promise of Love
fulfilled in Christ.
.
|
|
| User: "Timothy Sutter" |
|
| Title: Re: Fulfilled in Christ |
13 Dec 2003 03:50:19 PM |
|
|
being born a human being isn't,
in and of itself, an entry
into an enslavement.
we enslave ourselves to the existing
conditions after our natural births,
inasmuch as we allow ourselves to be
overcome by the dictates of the physical body.
much like Joseph is sold into an actual,
physical slavery, even after the promise,
and subsequently, all of Israel, the overcomer,
enters into that same place.
whereupon YHWH leads the people
out of that place by a strong Hand.
which is sort of funny in that as
we become bound up in and with God,
we begin to see actual freedom
from the existing conditions.
like there are two bindings
one which leads to death and
one that leads to life.
being bound up and overcome by
shortfall in the existing conditions
can only be remedied by death.
being bound up and overcome in God,
is your life line and that method
by which God lifts you to a free place.
God -is- Free
only God can make -you- free.
death is a merciful release
of a helpless creature
tangled in barbed wire.
Life is the merciful establishment of the Truth
sort of like your chances of
arguing with a jet engine
it's just a meat grinder,
and you are hamburger.
what's funny is, that thing you'd fear most,
diving headfirst into the meat grinder,
is like your doorway into freedom.
no, don't hurl yourself into a bus.
these are just likenesses.
but look, Moses can take the people
right up to the outskirts of the promise
but Jesus[Joshua] leads the people in to the promise.
Moses was not allowed entry in to the promise.
before Moses, it's toil in the mud pits and out...
after Jesus it's a vision of that free space
between Moses and Jesus it's circles
in the sand with intermittant rain.
but just remember, you've died
and you are seated in the presence of God, -now-
even as you are yet, entangled in a fish net.
the fish net is like one of those struggle traps,
the more you fight against it, the
more hopelessly trapped you become.
when God taps you on the shoulder
you can slip from that thing's grasp
inasmuch as your immediate fears are
waylayed and you can see with the only
possible clarity of vision,
that of God's own keen eyesight.
just remember, God didn't throw you in to
a net because God enjoys seeing you struggle.
-you- landed -in- a net when you
when you played your funny cello
but seriously, back to the beach,
---
for those who need a glossary,
Annette Funicello made "beach" movies
---
b u t seriously you landed yourself in
a net when you took your cues from the
material body over that of the better
understanding of 'you knew the right
thing to do" and you didn't do -it-.
and you fell into the trap
of private standardization.
what does that mean?
you fell into a private turmoil
when you measured the good based
on your own personal welfare.
anyway, let's say the great fish vomits you ashore
what's funny is
'the freedom to pursue freedom'
like, you're mired in the mud pits,
struggling with a thing that only
pulls you in deeper, and
God pulls you out of the mud pits,
but -this- does not yet make
you free as God is free,
this makes you unencumbered by the entanglements
of the mud pits so as to set your course in the
direction of that free place which God has
set aside for you.
now, what's funny, is, the
free space is inhabitted
by giants.
it -seemed- like problems of the
physical nature were your -main- problem,
but as it turns out, you haven't even
begun to grapple with the relevant issues
of Love and mercy and God-like Grace.
and basically, before, when you were
soooo far away from any promise of
a free space, -those- things looked
like minsicule things.
but the closer you come to that
free space you were promised,
you begin to see how your own distorted
sense of value which you brought into
the mud pits, and nurtured with self
centered measures, must again be
confronted on a scale that makes
them now seem overwhelming.
like, when it was you struggling
in the mud pits Love was as much
as -you- getting a cool sip of water,
but now, out of the mud pits,
how is freedom made perfect in you?
just as a for instance;
before, you held a grudge against your
neighbor because he stole a bottle of
whiskey from you, but you got the money
for it by grabbing an old lady's purse.
and now, you want to be able to consider
being over charged for a christmas tree
to be of no concern at all.
and the first thing that pops into
your head is "i got ripped off"
even if it was really a fair price all along.
i'll stop here.
nothing really new,
but don't let fear trap -you- in interminable
struggle with the elements just because you
can't face correcting the real substantive
shortfall in your being with God.
like,
"i'll just stay mired in troubles of the physical
nature and say to myself that 'there's no way out'
because it's a comfortable place and i haven't
the courage to press on so as to confront
the giants in the land of promise."
bull, sacred cow even.
smash that Idol and press on
so as to take possession of
your free space.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Libertarius" |
|
| Title: Re: Fulfilled in Christ |
13 Dec 2003 04:36:45 PM |
|
|
Timothy Sutter wrote:
being born a human being isn't,
in and of itself, an entry
into an enslavement.
we enslave ourselves to the existing
conditions after our natural births,
inasmuch as we allow ourselves to be
overcome by the dictates of the physical body.
===>That is IDIOTIC!
"Being born" MEANS existence in a "physical body".
The ONLY body you have!
That means you are "overcome" by what you ARE!
How can we NOT "allow ourselves to be
overcome by the dictates of the physical body?"
Stop eating?
Stop drinking?
Stop breathing?
Or just stop thinking, like Timmy? -- L.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Timothy Sutter" |
|
| Title: Re: Fulfilled in Christ |
13 Dec 2003 11:23:16 PM |
|
|
Libertarius wrote:
Timothy Sutter wrote:
being born a human being isn't,
in and of itself, an entry
into an enslavement.
we enslave ourselves to the existing
conditions after our natural births,
inasmuch as we allow ourselves to be
overcome by the dictates of the physical body.
"Being born" MEANS existence in a "physical body".
not exclusively.
ideas may be born, spoken on the air
and never captured in any physical
form at all.
there's one example of a thing
born that has no physical body.
therefore, your definition is incomplete.
The ONLY body you have!
i have spirit.
i have empathy.
i have conscious intention.
the physical body knows only hunger and security.
That means you are "overcome" by what you ARE!
as one example to simplify for you;
one's conscious intentions may be overcome
by the specific physical needs of the body.
for example, one may steal to support a drug habit
and maintain a recognition that stealing is incorrect.
that is, they do a thing that they recognize
to be incorrect because they have been
overcome by a physical need.
as this recognition of error becomes
completely obscured we begin to suggest
that such a person is thoroughly
dead in tresspass.
somewhere in here you'll
find me saying things like;
[paraphrasing]
"when a person steals from others and yet
maintains that it is incorrect for other
people to steal from him, he is trapped
in contradiction"
that is, he recognizes that stealing
is incorrect, bit he applies a different
set of standards to himself.
a standard dictated to him by his physical needs.
-he- has been completely overcome.
How can we NOT "allow ourselves to be
overcome by the dictates of the physical body?"
these are very simple ideas, you
should not need further clarification.
as an example;
athletic training requires a motivational
insentive that is not exclusively generated
by the physical need for food water and air.
the physical body does not
naturally seek to exert itself
beyond its own endurance levels.
as conscious intention masters the physical nature,
the prospect of dangerous reflex actions, to supply
bodily needs, diminishes.
Stop eating?
fasting has its benefits.
Stop drinking?
drink lots of water.
Stop breathing?
breathe deeply.
Or just stop thinking?
that's what people do.
they stop thinking and become driven
exclusively by reflexive needs of
the physical nature.
they may turn to cunning but
empathy is lost entirely.
aside from empathy, there's
no one else in your world
at all.
just objects meet for exploitation.
this is war and death.
simple as that.
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Related Articles |
|
|
