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Religions > Bible |
| User: |
"Dave" |
| Date: |
09 Aug 2006 12:26:09 AM |
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Gastrich again lies about his credentials |
Not too long ago, Gastrich was caught inflating his educational
credentials during a discussion of evolution on the discussion boards
at his web site:
http://www.jcsm.org/friends/index.php?topic=24.msg215#msg215
Notice the claim that Gastrich claims to have "a secular science degree
from a secular university," and he made this statement in an attempt to
represent himself as some sort of authority on the subject of science.
I commented on this at the time that I saw it, and pointed out that
Gastrich, in fact, does not have a "secular science degree from a
secular university." Gastrich's only legitimate degree is a bachelor
of *arts* with emphasis work in *psychology*, a *social* science
(giving him no intellectual authority on the subject of evolution,
despite his arrogant statement).
It appears that Gastrich is continuing to misrepresent himself. On
Farrell Till's errancy discussion list, Gastrich again appears to make
claims about his credentials that are not true. See,
http://lists.topica.com/lists/ii_errancy/read/message.html?sort=d&mid=812267106&start=41351
Tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/ldmqb
In the message listed, Gastrich is quoted speaking disparagingly of the
"geniuses" on the list. He asks, sarcastically, if any of them has a
"science degree," He then comments, again sarcastically, that he
"might have one of those laying around here somewhere . . . even from
one of your "skeptic approved" universidads [_sic_]."
In both cases, the vagueness of the language and the tone taken in the
comments indicates a deliberate attempt to deceive, by posting just
enough to leave people thinking that Gastrich possesses a credential
that he does not, in fact, possess, and consequent intellectual
authority that he, likewise, does not possess. Gastrich's resume,
before he removed it, indicated that he possesses a Bachelor of *Arts*
from San Diego State University, allegedly in psychology, with a
"minor" in English. Another reference of Gastrich's commentary about
his degree from San Diego State indicated that, in fact, this was a
general degree with emphasis work in psychology, and not so much a
"degree in psychology," at all. Challenges to Gastrich to post his
transcripts were, of course, ignored.
Aside from the fact that Gastrich's attitude is decidedly unChristian,
these are two clear episodes that demonstrate Gastrich's *intent* to
deceive. Gastrich *knows* that the degree that he does possess is not
relevant to the subject, but he tells us about it, anyway, in vague
terms, in what are clearly a couple of rather pathetic attempts to
intimidate others.
This is particularly amusing because yesterday, after an absense of
several months, Gastrich's fraudulent alter ego, "Fraud Buster," posted
another alleged bust of a fraud, and exposed himself as a fraud in the
process.
Gastrich was relatively quiet for a while, but seems to have gathered a
bit of boldness by the award of his diploma-mill "Ph.D." But he
appears to have learned nothing from previous encounters and
misadventures, so it's my pleasure to expose him, yet again, as a
fraud, and I will continue to do so. Gastrich is not only
*anti*-intellectual, but he is no Christian, and is neither competent,
qualified, nor does he possess the requisite integrity to be running a
ministry.
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| User: "Lizzardwoman" |
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| Title: Re: Gastrich again lies about his credentials |
09 Aug 2006 06:18:20 AM |
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"Dave" <horndw@gmail.com> wrote in message
(snip Gastrich subterfuge)
| In both cases, the vagueness of the language and the tone taken in the
| comments indicates a deliberate attempt to deceive, by posting just
| enough to leave people thinking that Gastrich possesses a credential
| that he does not, in fact, possess, and consequent intellectual
| authority that he, likewise, does not possess. Gastrich's resume,
| before he removed it, indicated that he possesses a Bachelor of *Arts*
| from San Diego State University, allegedly in psychology, with a
| "minor" in English. Another reference of Gastrich's commentary about
| his degree from San Diego State indicated that, in fact, this was a
| general degree with emphasis work in psychology, and not so much a
| "degree in psychology," at all. Challenges to Gastrich to post his
| transcripts were, of course, ignored.
I think what Gastrich is hanging his little hat on is that the Psychology
Department at SDSU is within the College of Sciences.
http://www.sdsu.edu/academicprogs.html
Psychology is also within the College of Science and Mathematics at my
undergrad university. I recall wondering why this was so when I would walk
into a lecture hall and see some psych stuff on the board from the previous
class. It seemed pretty unscientific to me at the time. I'm guessing Psych
is routinely classed in the "Sciences" as opposed to "Arts and "Humanities"
or "Social Sciences."
| Aside from the fact that Gastrich's attitude is decidedly unChristian,
| these are two clear episodes that demonstrate Gastrich's *intent* to
| deceive. Gastrich *knows* that the degree that he does possess is not
| relevant to the subject, but he tells us about it, anyway, in vague
| terms, in what are clearly a couple of rather pathetic attempts to
| intimidate others.
This is spot on. I was familiar with both examples you cite and he is
definitely implying that his science degree has a some relevance to the
disscussions at hand when clearly it does not. I think it would be helpful
if every time he mentions his "science" degree that someone point out that
the degree is in psych. I'll try to help on this score.
| This is particularly amusing because yesterday, after an absense of
| several months, Gastrich's fraudulent alter ego, "Fraud Buster," posted
| another alleged bust of a fraud, and exposed himself as a fraud in the
| process.
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| Gastrich was relatively quiet for a while, but seems to have gathered a
| bit of boldness by the award of his diploma-mill "Ph.D." But he
| appears to have learned nothing from previous encounters and
| misadventures, so it's my pleasure to expose him, yet again, as a
| fraud, and I will continue to do so. Gastrich is not only
| *anti*-intellectual, but he is no Christian, and is neither competent,
| qualified, nor does he possess the requisite integrity to be running a
| ministry.
I wish he would actually picture up a bone fide dissertation in, science or
other, just to see how far his dissertation and scholarship are from what an
accredited university requires. He doesn't know what he doesn't know. Such
is the degree of cluelessness with Gastrich.
--
sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around the
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
"Easy -- he's the Right Reverend Admiral Jason Gastrich, BSc, MSc, DVM, ThD,
PhD, MD, JD, Esq, US Navy (Ret). If the bible happened to put things in the
wrong order, well, our boy the Doctor will just fix it right up there!" --
Rightshu (IIDB, 2004)
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| User: "Lizzardwoman" |
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| Title: Re: Gastrich again lies about his credentials |
09 Aug 2006 06:27:52 AM |
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"Lizzardwoman" <lizzardwomanRMOVE@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
(snip)
| I wish he would actually picture up a bone fide dissertation in, ...
I wish he would actually PICK UP a bone fide dissertation in, ...
sharon
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Gastrich again lies about his credentials |
09 Aug 2006 08:35:41 AM |
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Lizzardwoman wrote:
"Dave" <horndw@gmail.com> wrote in message
(snip Gastrich subterfuge)
| In both cases, the vagueness of the language and the tone taken in the
| comments indicates a deliberate attempt to deceive, by posting just
| enough to leave people thinking that Gastrich possesses a credential
| that he does not, in fact, possess, and consequent intellectual
| authority that he, likewise, does not possess. Gastrich's resume,
| before he removed it, indicated that he possesses a Bachelor of *Arts*
| from San Diego State University, allegedly in psychology, with a
| "minor" in English. Another reference of Gastrich's commentary about
| his degree from San Diego State indicated that, in fact, this was a
| general degree with emphasis work in psychology, and not so much a
| "degree in psychology," at all. Challenges to Gastrich to post his
| transcripts were, of course, ignored.
I think what Gastrich is hanging his little hat on is that the Psychology
Department at SDSU is within the College of Sciences.
http://www.sdsu.edu/academicprogs.html
I wouldn't be surprised, but one could lose his hat doing that sort of
thing. "International Security and Conflict Resolution" falls under
the College of Sciences, also. I think it's interesting that
economics, political science, and sociology are listed under the
College of Arts and Letters, but that sort of categorization has always
been one of San Diego State's little quirks.
Psychology is also within the College of Science and Mathematics at my
undergrad university. I recall wondering why this was so when I would walk
into a lecture hall and see some psych stuff on the board from the previous
class. It seemed pretty unscientific to me at the time. I'm guessing Psych
is routinely classed in the "Sciences" as opposed to "Arts and "Humanities"
or "Social Sciences."
Psych is regularly listed as a "social science" and, having taken my
first bachelor's in psych (a bachelor of *science*, by the way, with
the requisite math and research components that Gastrich lacks, hence
his bachelor of *arts*), I can attest that much of it seemed on
somewhat shaky ground, scientifically. Having a B.S. in psych, it
would have never occurred to me to enter a discussion of an area in
which I am not an expert or at least well-informed and pretend that my
degree conferred onto me some sort of intellectual authority.
| Aside from the fact that Gastrich's attitude is decidedly unChristian,
| these are two clear episodes that demonstrate Gastrich's *intent* to
| deceive. Gastrich *knows* that the degree that he does possess is not
| relevant to the subject, but he tells us about it, anyway, in vague
| terms, in what are clearly a couple of rather pathetic attempts to
| intimidate others.
This is spot on. I was familiar with both examples you cite and he is
definitely implying that his science degree has a some relevance to the
disscussions at hand when clearly it does not. I think it would be helpful
if every time he mentions his "science" degree that someone point out that
the degree is in psych. I'll try to help on this score.
The more, the merrier.
| This is particularly amusing because yesterday, after an absense of
| several months, Gastrich's fraudulent alter ego, "Fraud Buster," posted
| another alleged bust of a fraud, and exposed himself as a fraud in the
| process.
|
| Gastrich was relatively quiet for a while, but seems to have gathered a
| bit of boldness by the award of his diploma-mill "Ph.D." But he
| appears to have learned nothing from previous encounters and
| misadventures, so it's my pleasure to expose him, yet again, as a
| fraud, and I will continue to do so. Gastrich is not only
| *anti*-intellectual, but he is no Christian, and is neither competent,
| qualified, nor does he possess the requisite integrity to be running a
| ministry.
I wish he would actually picture up a bone fide dissertation in, science or
other, just to see how far his dissertation and scholarship are from what an
accredited university requires. He doesn't know what he doesn't know. Such
is the degree of cluelessness with Gastrich.
Agreed. Gastrich went the easy way, as he usually does, and all but
bought his degree. Aside from rendering it useless in the real world,
it cheapens the effort of those of us seeking legitimate doctorates.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Gastrich again lies about his credentials |
13 Aug 2006 01:18:27 PM |
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Gastrich was relatively quiet for a while, but seems to have gathered a
bit of boldness by the award of his diploma-mill "Ph.D." But he
appears to have learned nothing from previous encounters and
misadventures, so it's my pleasure to expose him, yet again, as a
fraud, and I will continue to do so. Gastrich is not only
*anti*-intellectual, but he is no Christian, and is neither competent,
qualified, nor does he possess the requisite integrity to be running a
ministry.
I have two masters degrees in psychology (anyone need one? I have a
spare).... I'm guessing he's calling upon some undergrad psych degree
as his 'science' degree, but from what I recall of the undergrad level,
you only need 9 psych credits, and of course, one of these classes is
just psych 101, so there's not an awful lot of 'science' being taught
or learned there.
As for what a real dissertation looks like... a dissertation is more of
a process than a paper, in my estimation. You have to go through the
struggle of finding a topic, of finding a chair and a second reader who
are interested in it... you have to go through dealing with an IRB,
defending your proposal, researching, writing and writing for months on
end.... and then after a few years of this, you finally get to deal
with the anxiety of defending the dissertation itself. In public.
All the while having to pay for the honor of doing all of this - and
I'm willing to bet that the cost for each credit is more than the cost
of a phony PHD.
I've been doing one for more than a year now, and I hope to finally
next year. It's probably the most nerve wracking aspect of doctoral
study, and there are plenty of ABDs (all but dissertations) around to
attest to this.
Gastrich doesn't have the slightest clue of what a real dissertation
is....
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| User: "Lizzardwoman" |
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| Title: Re: Gastrich again lies about his credentials |
09 Aug 2006 07:09:15 AM |
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Another thought...
"Dave" <horndw@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1155101169.173799.266900@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| Not too long ago, Gastrich was caught inflating his educational
| credentials during a discussion of evolution on the discussion boards
| at his web site:
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| http://www.jcsm.org/friends/index.php?topic=24.msg215#msg215
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| Notice the claim that Gastrich claims to have "a secular science degree
| from a secular university," and he made this statement in an attempt to
| represent himself as some sort of authority on the subject of science.
| I commented on this at the time that I saw it, and pointed out that
| Gastrich, in fact, does not have a "secular science degree from a
| secular university." Gastrich's only legitimate degree is a bachelor
| of *arts* with emphasis work in *psychology*, a *social* science
| (giving him no intellectual authority on the subject of evolution,
| despite his arrogant statement).
(snip)
Do you recall the thread here about Gastrich musing about going back to get
a Masters in biology or geology from a secular university? I pointed out
that he will have many deficiencies towards this endeavor with only his
(undergrad) psych degree. When I mentioned he will very likely need at
least a year of calculus he seemed to abandon the idea of getting a science
Masters completely.
So I think he is at least aware that his psych degree in no way let's him
argue from a point of knowledge about evolution, paleontology, etc. He is
being highly disingenuous in the examples you cite.
--
sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around the
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
"Easy -- he's the Right Reverend Admiral Jason Gastrich, BSc, MSc, DVM, ThD,
PhD, MD, JD, Esq, US Navy (Ret). If the bible happened to put things in the
wrong order, well, our boy the Doctor will just fix it right up there!" --
Rightshu (IIDB, 2004)
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Gastrich again lies about his credentials |
09 Aug 2006 08:47:37 AM |
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Lizzardwoman wrote:
Another thought...
"Dave" <horndw@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1155101169.173799.266900@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| Not too long ago, Gastrich was caught inflating his educational
| credentials during a discussion of evolution on the discussion boards
| at his web site:
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| http://www.jcsm.org/friends/index.php?topic=24.msg215#msg215
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| Notice the claim that Gastrich claims to have "a secular science degree
| from a secular university," and he made this statement in an attempt to
| represent himself as some sort of authority on the subject of science.
| I commented on this at the time that I saw it, and pointed out that
| Gastrich, in fact, does not have a "secular science degree from a
| secular university." Gastrich's only legitimate degree is a bachelor
| of *arts* with emphasis work in *psychology*, a *social* science
| (giving him no intellectual authority on the subject of evolution,
| despite his arrogant statement).
(snip)
Do you recall the thread here about Gastrich musing about going back to get
a Masters in biology or geology from a secular university? I pointed out
that he will have many deficiencies towards this endeavor with only his
(undergrad) psych degree. When I mentioned he will very likely need at
least a year of calculus he seemed to abandon the idea of getting a science
Masters completely.
Vaguely. I'll look it up when I get home, this evening. Unlike
Gastrich, most of us have *real* jobs. ;)
So I think he is at least aware that his psych degree in no way let's him
argue from a point of knowledge about evolution, paleontology, etc. He is
being highly disingenuous in the examples you cite.
Clearly!
We all know that there are lots of clueless people out there with
degrees--even *relevant* degrees, depending on the discussion, and so,
if the issue of credentials comes up, they would be more explicit.
"Oh, well, I have a biology degree..."
My Master's is in computer information technology, with an emphasis in
object-oriented systems design. That's a mouthful, I know, but it
would never occur to me to tell an audience that I have a "Master's
degree in science" when trying to make arguments having anything to do
with anything else. My doctorate will be in technology *management*,
and I'd say the same thing about it with discussions about evolution.
I believe that this is how most educated people would behave and, in
fact, most educated people, knowing that the credential is irrelevant,
wouldn't bring it up, at all, unless asked, and if asked, would affirm
that it's irrelevant.
By the way, I also hold an adjunct faculty position at a small, private
college. Gastrich has now gone on record as having been a "professor,"
at least at one time (while still holding just a bachelor's) at a local
trade-tech college. This will be the next lie that will be exposed.
For more info about Jason Gastrich, "Ph.D.," see:
http://www.durangobill.com/JasonGastrich.html
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Gastrich again lies about his credentials |
19 Aug 2006 09:09:12 AM |
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Dave wrote:
Lizzardwoman wrote:
(snip)
So I think he is at least aware that his psych degree in no way let's him
argue from a point of knowledge about evolution, paleontology, etc. He is
being highly disingenuous in the examples you cite.
Clearly!
We all know that there are lots of clueless people out there with
degrees--even *relevant* degrees, depending on the discussion, and so,
if the issue of credentials comes up, they would be more explicit.
"Oh, well, I have a biology degree..."
Anyone who does have real knowledge in paleo, evolution, molecular,
etc. will know immediately that Gastrich is clueless in hard science
just from his comments. For example, he is a YEC because he can't
understand radioisotopic systematics, molecular biological principles,
etc.. He just parrots, as best he can, the idiocy from idiot
reprobates like Hovind and his ilk.
My Master's is in computer information technology, with an emphasis in
object-oriented systems design. That's a mouthful, I know, but it
would never occur to me to tell an audience that I have a "Master's
degree in science" when trying to make arguments having anything to do
with anything else. My doctorate will be in technology *management*,
and I'd say the same thing about it with discussions about evolution.
I believe that this is how most educated people would behave and, in
fact, most educated people, knowing that the credential is irrelevant,
wouldn't bring it up, at all, unless asked, and if asked, would affirm
that it's irrelevant.
It's interesting how Gastrich and his ilk downplay real degrees in the
face of their degree mill degrees yet obviously covert these real
degrees. From that thread on his musing about getting a hard science
Masters from a secular university, I think it was his intention just to
get the degree just so he can parade it around to give himself
authority. It's interesting to speuclate whether if he did somehow
manage to follow thru on this plan if he would abandon YEC. I think
the probablility of that is directly tied to the probability that he
would understand the material. That is, 100% of honest people who
understand the material abandone YEC.
By the way, I also hold an adjunct faculty position at a small, private
college. Gastrich has now gone on record as having been a "professor,"
at least at one time (while still holding just a bachelor's) at a local
trade-tech college. This will be the next lie that will be exposed.
Good work. I think his father was somnehow associated with some small,
possibily unaccredited, Christian college. Maybe he spoke in front of
a class for a few minutes, perhaps on his internet pamphlet. I can
easily see him extrapolating from something like that to calling
himself a professor. Can't you?
For more info about Jason Gastrich, "Ph.D.," see:
http://www.durangobill.com/JasonGastrich.html
Love that site.
sharon
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| User: "Dave" |
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20 Aug 2006 12:43:44 PM |
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Old news, but an insightful thread, given the subject:
http://tinyurl.com/j3qr8
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Gastrich again lies about his credentials |
17 Aug 2006 11:17:56 PM |
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Demonstrating that this is a pattern of behavior:
http://groups.google.com/group/maleboge/msg/2d0f9382b0dfcd56
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| User: "Steve Hayes" |
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| Title: Re: Gastrich again lies about his credentials |
10 Aug 2006 11:33:15 AM |
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On 8 Aug 2006 22:26:09 -0700, "Dave" <horndw@gmail.com> wrote:
Not too long ago, Gastrich was caught inflating his educational
credentials during a discussion of evolution on the discussion boards
at his web site:
Who's Gastrich, and why should we care?
--
Terms and conditions apply.
Steve Hayes
hayesmstw@hotmail.com
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| User: "Harvest Dancer" |
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| Title: Re: Gastrich again lies about his credentials |
13 Aug 2006 03:34:52 PM |
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Steve Hayes wrote:
On 8 Aug 2006 22:26:09 -0700, "Dave" <horndw@gmail.com> wrote:
Not too long ago, Gastrich was caught inflating his educational
credentials during a discussion of evolution on the discussion boards
at his web site:
Who's Gastrich, and why should we care?
This is the best part. In spite of all of Gasbag's self promotion,
most people have no clue who he is.
As much as he wants to be the next Kent Hovind, he's not that talented.
Maybe when he buys his next fake degree it should be a fake science
degree.
Jason Harvestdancer
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