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"Dave" |
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23 Sep 2006 03:12:23 PM |
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Gastrich's latest antics |
Ref, this post by Gastrich,
http://groups.google.com/group/Malebogecom/msg/31e3a718875517e8
....and Jason HarvestDancer's reply, here,
http://groups.google.com/group/maleboge/msg/e047a7bb023a734b
Harvest Dancer wrote:
Well well well.
I noticed two things today. First Gastrich changed the description of
this typosquat group.
Maleboge.com - Exposing Liars Who Persecute Christians
Yep...he's changed the focus of the group or, rather (and more
accurately), he's actually admitting what the group is about and has
been about, all along, and that's going after people who ***** him off.
We all know that "exposing liars" really means "throwing temper
tantrums at people who expose me and keep me from doing what I want."
I guess that takes longer to type, which is why Gastrich didn't use it.
I'll again point out that Gastrich has never "exposed" a single lie by
anyone, while several of his have been exposed here, in the newsgroups,
at Infidel Guy, and now at *two*, count 'em, *two* Wiki projects.
Now he has two new posts. Once again he accuses me of "trying to
silence the Christian agenda". Gastrich buddy, if I wanted to harm
Christianity I'd support you like Uncle Dorky does.
There's a thought. But it's pretty obvious that the problem is not
persecution of Christians or trying to "silence the Christian agenda."
The *real* problem is that Gastrich is an immature, overgrown child who
isn't getting his way, and when people like that don't get their way,
they whine, as Gastrich has been doing. It's not a "Christian" agenda
that is being opposed, but *his* self-promotion agendas. After all,
why is he *really* whining--because you removed his URL from Wiki (as
lots of people seem to be doing) and actually provided a better source,
in a couple of those cases?
Anyone who bothers to read through his whimperings, found here,
http://groups.google.com/group/Malebogecom/msg/31e3a718875517e8
And reads the actual links that are provided, as well as the associated
discussion, will be clear that the reaction is to remove the
badly-designed-in-the-first-place JCSM links, which Gastrich and his
hundred-plus socks only put on Wiki to promote his site. Gastrich is,
after all, a superficial person, easily impressed by numbers. He needs
those hits to feel validated; and if we take away his mechanism of
validation, he's got nothing. It's rather pathetic, actually, for
someone who has boasted that, if he really wanted to, he could make a
better living doing something else.
Now my real name isn't a secret, so while it annoys that he constatly
throws it around, I cannot say I approve of him posting my address and
phone number in that same post. That's very low. Especially since
he's *encouraging* people to conatct me. If he actually had a
following I'd be worried.
Part of Gastrich's problem is that he hasn't been able to build much of
a following, and we certainly haven't helped matters (if he were
telling the truth and our efforts were useless and ineffective, the
stolen-domain-name group, maleboge.com, wouldn't exist in the first
place). But Gastrich is on record as indicating that posting someone's
personal information in the manner that he did is not a laudable or
commendable act--quite the contrary, in fact. He indicated that to the
audience at Infidel Guy, but when he didn't get his way, there, you may
recall, he did exactly what he indicated was not a good thing to do.
Gastrich has claimed that such a thing is legal since he obtained the
information legally, but we're back to just what it is that should be
determining his standard of behavior. I didn't care when he posted my
address because it's exactly the sort of behavior that I would expect
from a shameless self-promoter who has no concept of what it means to
be a Christian. In other words, all he did was give me more evidence
that he's a fraud, and he's done it, again. (Of course, he does that
every time he posts as "Fraud Buster," not even having the courage to
post under his real name, an act for which he presumed to chide another
over at the Metawiki.)
I did put Gastrich on notice, then, and it's fair to do it, again. I
posted that Gastrich would be held responsible for any act of vandalism
of violence directed at my address. Whether he intends for that to
occur or not (and I suspect he remembers that, since he decided to
qualify his posting of your address with a disclaimer of sorts about
what should be done with it), he would be held accountable. I pointed
out that, once the address was posted, he no longer had any control.
As you have alluded above, any freak or psycho, or just someone with a
chip on his shoulder, armed with the information, may commit an act of
vandalism, violence, or harassment.
So we'll put Gastrich on notice, again. He will be held responsible
for anything that happens, and there are lots of ways to hold him
responsible.
On the other hand, he did, again, reveal what he's all about:
Vengeance, hate, and "getting back" at people, all of which were
directly repudiated by Jesus. And on a more worldly note, the folks at
the Wiki projects tend to frown on such things, too, and so all he did
was show that he is unrepentent and defiant when it comes to what is
understood as acceptable behavior in these circumstances. What's
ironic is that, as I said, he even *agreed* that such things were
unacceptable.
Didn't someone have his address? I think I should send a letter to his
dad. He needs to be grounded.
He needs more than that, and if he's going to turn up the heat, we can
accommodate him. The bests "heat" that he can muster adds up to the
proverbial "beer fart in a whirlwind," while we can put him out of
business.
Gastrich, if any of your psychotic loons contact me, I will have
grounds for a lawsuit under encouraging, aiding, and abetting.
Indeed. See above.
Plus he's bitching that Dave calls his group "stolen name" because it's
a .com instead of a .org, so clearly it's different. A judge might
agree...
Or he might not. Proving bad faith won't be hard, and ICANN actually
has provisions for that. On the other hand, as long as it exists and
Gastrich whimpers within it, where no rebuttal is allowed, it simply
provides us with more and more evidence of what he's all about. It's a
group in which only he posts. He commits a form of fraud every time he
posts as "Fraud Buster," so there's quite a bit of laughable irony,
there. His posts are vengeful, mean-spirited, dishonest, and, in the
end, nothing more than temper tantrums. With all that he's gotten
wrong in them, the very best thing that can be said about his comments
is that he doesn't seem to know how to read.
So, really, I'm kinda likin' maleboge.com. Without Gastrich's full
cooperation, provided by him every time he posts, exposing him wouldn't
be as easy. It actually requires very little effort to begin with, but
maleboge.com makes it quite a bit easier.
...but God certainly wouldn't.
Certainly not. Jesus was quite clear about such things, and when we've
confronted Gastrich in the open discussion areas that he can't control,
we've demonstrated that quite well. That's why he invariably runs from
them...every time.
But the Gastrich doesn't serve God, never has, never will.
Quite right. Gastrich is about Gastrich. Jesus doesn't enter into it,
at all.
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| User: "Harvest Dancer" |
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| Title: Re: Gastrich's latest antics |
26 Sep 2006 10:01:15 AM |
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Dave wrote:
Harvest Dancer wrote:
Now he has two new posts. Once again he accuses me of "trying to
silence the Christian agenda". Gastrich buddy, if I wanted to harm
Christianity I'd support you like Uncle Dorky does.
There's a thought. But it's pretty obvious that the problem is not
persecution of Christians or trying to "silence the Christian agenda."
The *real* problem is that Gastrich is an immature, overgrown child who
isn't getting his way, and when people like that don't get their way,
they whine, as Gastrich has been doing. It's not a "Christian" agenda
that is being opposed, but *his* self-promotion agendas. After all,
why is he *really* whining--because you removed his URL from Wiki (as
lots of people seem to be doing) and actually provided a better source,
in a couple of those cases?
Which brings me back to trying to determine exactly what Dorky's *real*
agenda is.
Didn't someone have his address? I think I should send a letter to his
dad. He needs to be grounded.
He needs more than that, and if he's going to turn up the heat, we can
accommodate him. The bests "heat" that he can muster adds up to the
proverbial "beer fart in a whirlwind," while we can put him out of
business.
Gastrich, if any of your psychotic loons contact me, I will have
grounds for a lawsuit under encouraging, aiding, and abetting.
Indeed. See above.
We know of three people who respond positively to Gastrich. The first
is Dorky, who has his own separate agenda. Then there is John Wolf,
who is a total kook and is someone who might, at Gastrich's slightest
urging, do something of problematic legal status. The third is someone
Gastrich had to take out a domestic restraining order against for
spousal abuse.
Plus he's bitching that Dave calls his group "stolen name" because it's
a .com instead of a .org, so clearly it's different. A judge might
agree...
Or he might not. Proving bad faith won't be hard, and ICANN actually
has provisions for that. On the other hand, as long as it exists and
Gastrich whimpers within it, where no rebuttal is allowed, it simply
provides us with more and more evidence of what he's all about. It's a
group in which only he posts. He commits a form of fraud every time he
posts as "Fraud Buster," so there's quite a bit of laughable irony,
there. His posts are vengeful, mean-spirited, dishonest, and, in the
end, nothing more than temper tantrums. With all that he's gotten
wrong in them, the very best thing that can be said about his comments
is that he doesn't seem to know how to read.
I did say "maybe", not "definitely". It is theoretically possible a
judge might agree with him. Theoretically, not likely.
...but God certainly wouldn't.
Certainly not. Jesus was quite clear about such things, and when we've
confronted Gastrich in the open discussion areas that he can't control,
we've demonstrated that quite well. That's why he invariably runs from
them...every time.
I feel a part of Gastrich knows that, although most of him doesn't
because he lies to himself so often.
But the Gastrich doesn't serve God, never has, never will.
Quite right. Gastrich is about Gastrich. Jesus doesn't enter into it,
at all.
Gastrich is about Gastrich. I just wonder who Dorky is about.
Jason Harvestdancer
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Gastrich's latest antics |
26 Sep 2006 03:44:20 PM |
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Readers should be aware of this latest incident in the Gastrich saga:
http://groups.google.com/group/maleboge/msg/d9b43f9a0703389c
Most in the newsgroups aren't going to be too concerned about this sort
of thing, and that's fine, but Christians *should* be. Gastrich claims
to be a "Christian" and a minister, yet he routinely engages in
behavior either explicitely or implicitely forbidden by the Scriptures,
especially by Jesus.
Christians are encouraged to contact the Pastor at the First Baptist
Church of Clairemont, if they feel that a Christian organization should
not be involved with the likes of Jason Gastrich.
Here is their web site:
http://www.fbcclairemont.com/
Here is more information about the person and character of Jason
Gastrich:
http://groups.google.com/group/maleboge?lnk=li
http://www.durangobill.com/JasonGastrich.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Jason_Gastrich
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Jason_Gastrich/Evidence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Jason_Gastrich
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_deletion#User:Jason_Gastrich
http://www.infidelguy.com/ftopict-21952-Does-God-have-poor-character--Debate-with-Johnny-Skeptic.html
http://www.infidelguy.com/ftopic-14807-days0-orderasc-0.html
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=173498
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=118612
These are just some sites and pages that contain many, many examples of
Jason Gastrich's "Christianity." We can provide additional evidence
from literally hundreds of articles posted to Usenet. Jason Gastrich
has repeatedly demonstrated a vengeful, mean-spirited, hateful,
dishonest,and self-serving agenda, and his only response to the
evidence against him has been to post a series of comments in a group
that he created for that specific purpose, in which he lies about his
identity and permits no rebuttal:
http://groups.google.com/group/Malebogecom?lnk=lr
(Rebutted, refuted, and exposed here:
http://groups.google.com/group/maleboge?lnk=li)
http://jcsm.org/1on1/ResponsetoHateSites.htm
(With respect to the link directly above, mind the ads and make sure
your spyware and malware detectors are up to date.)
I encourage everyone to compare the two maleboge discussion groups
(maleboge.org predates .com by a considerable period, and Gastrich has
always been able to post and rebut within it, had he the courage).
Read through the evidence. Decide.
Is this *really* any sort of Christian about whom Jesus spoke and
taught?
Should this person be running a ministry, which includes the asking of
donations?
A special note to Christians: Whatever you may think of the beliefs of
many of those opposed to Gastrich's behaviors, understand that the
standard by which Christians are to act are not established by
atheists, agnostics, or even other Christians (all of whom have opposed
Gastrich), but by Jesus Christ, according to your own Scriptures.
Gastrich refuses to live by that standard, and we can provide direct
quotes in which he dismisses Scriptural injunction and rebuke,
regardless of the source. The question before you is not about those
who have opposed Gastrich in the past. The question has to do with his
claims to being a Christian minister who asks for your donations.
Look over his record. Does he represent *you*?
If not, let him know about it. And let Pastor Thompson know that he
shouldn't be hosting a "conference" put on by this person.
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Gastrich's latest antics |
26 Sep 2006 03:52:38 PM |
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Dave wrote:
Readers should be aware of this latest incident in the Gastrich saga:
http://groups.google.com/group/maleboge/msg/d9b43f9a0703389c
This is the wrong link. The correct link is below:
http://groups.google.com/group/maleboge/msg/bed0f140efb56d27
Apologies to one and all.
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