Religions > Bible > Gay Magazine Publisher Accepts Christ, Leaves Homosexual Lifestyle
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Magazine publisher accepts Christ, leaves homosexual lifestyle
OneNewsNow.com ^ | 2 Mar 2007 | Jeff Johnson
Posted on 03/02/2007 12:44:26 PM PST by nckerr
OneNewsNow.com March 2, 2007
The publisher of Venus Magazine, a 13 year old periodical for
homosexuals of African-American descent, announced on the magazine's
website that she has become a Christian and now rejects the lesbian
lifestyle she has lived for her "entire adult life."
"Over the past 29 years of my life I have been an aggressive, creative
and strategic supporter of gay and lesbian issues," Charlene E.
Cothran, VENUS Magazine publisher wrote in the article. "I've
organized and participated in countless marches and various lobbying
efforts in the fight for equal treatment of gay men and lesbians.
Cothran goes on in the online edition's current "cover story" to
describe her financial contributions to homosexual lobbying
organizations, but says her life has now changed.
"As the publisher of a 13 year old periodical which targets Black gays
and lesbians, I have had the opportunity to publicly address
thousands, influencing closeted people to 'come out' and stand up for
them selves, which is particularly difficult in the African-American
community," Cothran writes. "But now, I must come out of the closet
again.
"I have recently experienced the power of change that came over me
once I completely surrendered to the teachings of Jesus Christ," she
continues. "As a believer of the word of God, I fully accept and have
always known that same-sex relationships are not what God intended for
us."
Cothran details a discussion with a local pastor that galvanized the
doubts she had been having while trying to reconcile her homosexual
behavior with the biblical prohibition on sex outside of a one-man,
one-woman marriage.
"The spirit of God spoke directly into my soul and said you will
choose this day who you will serve and if you make the wrong choice, I
will allow you to drift so far away from me that you will never hear
my voice again," Cothran recalls. "I gave God my heart and soul in the
parking lot of the mall, right there in my car. A river of tears
flowed as Jesus washed me and forgave me and redeemed me for His
work."
The author and activist says her work with the homosexual community
will continue, but its focus will drastically change.
"I intend be just as 'out' about my transformation as I was about my
lesbian life. I have given every gift I have back to God, including
VENUS Magazine" Cothran added. "The target audience will remain the
same but the mission has been renewed. Our new mission is to
encourage, educate and assist those in the [homosexual] life who want
change but can't find a way out."
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05 Mar 2007 06:23:35 AM |
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Magazine publisher accepts Christ, leaves homosexual lifestyle
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-gay
Ex-ex-gays
In 1979, Exodus International's co-founder Michael Bussee and his partner
Gary Cooper quit the group and held a life commitment ceremony together.[38]
John Paulk was fired by Focus on the Family after he was spotted by
reporters in a Washington, D.C., gay bar,[25] and his wife, Anne, has
admitted that her lesbianism was comprised entirely of a few months of
sexual fantasy during college.[39]
In 1986, Colin Cook, founder of Homosexuals Anonymous, was discovered to be
engaging in sexual acts with his patients. He claimed that the nude massages
of other men should desensitize them against homosexual desires. In 1987, he
was expelled from Homosexuals Anonymous for sexual activity, and in 1995 a
similar scandal happened with his newly founded group FaithQuest Colorado.
According to the Denver Post, Cook had engaged in phone sex, practiced long
and grinding hugs, and asked patients to bring homosexual pornography to
sessions so that he could help desensitize them against it.
Children of the founders of NARTH and the founder of PFOX all still have
same-sex sexual desires.[25]
OneNewsNow.com ^ | 2 Mar 2007 | Jeff Johnson
Posted on 03/02/2007 12:44:26 PM PST by nckerr
OneNewsNow.com March 2, 2007
The publisher of Venus Magazine, a 13 year old periodical for
homosexuals of African-American descent, announced on the magazine's
website that she has become a Christian and now rejects the lesbian
lifestyle she has lived for her "entire adult life."
"Over the past 29 years of my life I have been an aggressive, creative
and strategic supporter of gay and lesbian issues," Charlene E.
Cothran, VENUS Magazine publisher wrote in the article. "I've
organized and participated in countless marches and various lobbying
efforts in the fight for equal treatment of gay men and lesbians.
Cothran goes on in the online edition's current "cover story" to
describe her financial contributions to homosexual lobbying
organizations, but says her life has now changed.
"As the publisher of a 13 year old periodical which targets Black gays
and lesbians, I have had the opportunity to publicly address
thousands, influencing closeted people to 'come out' and stand up for
them selves, which is particularly difficult in the African-American
community," Cothran writes. "But now, I must come out of the closet
again.
"I have recently experienced the power of change that came over me
once I completely surrendered to the teachings of Jesus Christ," she
continues. "As a believer of the word of God, I fully accept and have
always known that same-sex relationships are not what God intended for
us."
Cothran details a discussion with a local pastor that galvanized the
doubts she had been having while trying to reconcile her homosexual
behavior with the biblical prohibition on sex outside of a one-man,
one-woman marriage.
"The spirit of God spoke directly into my soul and said you will
choose this day who you will serve and if you make the wrong choice, I
will allow you to drift so far away from me that you will never hear
my voice again," Cothran recalls. "I gave God my heart and soul in the
parking lot of the mall, right there in my car. A river of tears
flowed as Jesus washed me and forgave me and redeemed me for His
work."
The author and activist says her work with the homosexual community
will continue, but its focus will drastically change.
"I intend be just as 'out' about my transformation as I was about my
lesbian life. I have given every gift I have back to God, including
VENUS Magazine" Cothran added. "The target audience will remain the
same but the mission has been renewed. Our new mission is to
encourage, educate and assist those in the [homosexual] life who want
change but can't find a way out."
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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05 Mar 2007 08:30:54 AM |
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On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 04:23:35 -0800, "Roger"
<rogerfx@hotmail.com> claimed:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794182/posts
Magazine publisher accepts Christ, leaves homosexual lifestyle
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-gay
Ex-ex-gays
In 1979, Exodus International's co-founder Michael Bussee and his partner
Gary Cooper quit the group and held a life commitment ceremony together.[38]
Which shows that men fail, not God.
--
It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible through
their doctrines and their doctrines become absolute in
their minds and the Bible is manipulated and twisted up
like a pretzel to make it match their doctrines. This
happens because so many believe that the Bible is useless,
if it isn't all about them today. They deny that, but
why is it then, that their supposed fulfillments of Bible
prophecies that they preach, always end up being about
whatever is in the news lately and the news always
becomes, "The fulfillment of Bible prophecies right
before our very eyes!". And that folks, is Futurism!
Selfishness, conceit, ego, arrogance and vanity! (:
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| User: "thomas p." |
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08 Mar 2007 08:18:44 AM |
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On 5 Mar., 15:30, Pastor Dave <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 04:23:35 -0800, "Roger"
<roge...@hotmail.com> claimed:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote in message
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794182/posts
Magazine publisher accepts Christ, leaves homosexual lifestyle
Fromhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-gay
Ex-ex-gays
In 1979, Exodus International's co-founder Michael Bussee and his partner
Gary Cooper quit the group and held a life commitment ceremony together.[38]
Which shows that men fail, not God.
They admitted their mistake and stopped denying who they were.
--
It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible through
their doctrines and their doctrines become absolute in
their minds and the Bible is manipulated and twisted up
like a pretzel to make it match their doctrines.
A good description of all Christian sects.
This
happens because so many believe that the Bible is useless,
if it isn't all about them today.
Instead of facing the fact that it is uselss.
They deny that, but
why is it then, that their supposed fulfillments of Bible
prophecies that they preach, always end up being about
whatever is in the news lately and the news always
becomes, "The fulfillment of Bible prophecies right
before our very eyes!". And that folks, is Futurism!
Selfishness, conceit, ego, arrogance and vanity! (:
and Christianity.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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05 Mar 2007 11:38:20 AM |
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 06:30:54 -0800, Pastor Dave wrote:
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 04:23:35 -0800, "Roger"
<rogerfx@hotmail.com> claimed:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794182/posts
Magazine publisher accepts Christ, leaves homosexual lifestyle
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-gay
Ex-ex-gays
In 1979, Exodus International's co-founder Michael Bussee and his partner
Gary Cooper quit the group and held a life commitment ceremony together.[38]
Which shows that men fail, not God.
You mean your god isn't more powerful than human beings?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "No One" |
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05 Mar 2007 10:28:01 AM |
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Pastor Dave <noway@nowhere.com> writes:
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 04:23:35 -0800, "Roger"
<rogerfx@hotmail.com> claimed:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
news:1173046740.153576.301450@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794182/posts
Magazine publisher accepts Christ, leaves homosexual lifestyle
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-gay
Ex-ex-gays
In 1979, Exodus International's co-founder Michael Bussee and his partner
Gary Cooper quit the group and held a life commitment ceremony together.[38]
Which shows that men fail, not God.
You mean your god is not powerful enough to help these people praying
for divine assistance? Did it occur to you that your god, if real,
just might not care one bit about someone's sexual orientation? :-)
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| User: "Jerry Kraus" |
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05 Mar 2007 10:26:55 AM |
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I find the phrase "Accepts Christ, Leaves Homosexual Lifestyle"
oxymoronic. Ever heard anything about Catholic priests?
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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05 Mar 2007 07:42:06 PM |
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Jerry Kraus wrote:
I find the phrase "Accepts Christ, Leaves Homosexual Lifestyle"
oxymoronic. Ever heard anything about Catholic priests?
Think that's interesting? Review the many and various instances that folks were called on
to testify something-or-other; Then check out the etiology of "testify."
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
For what it's worth, the whole Pauline tradition of drinking the blood of Jesus at holy
communion is in violation of the law that says drinking blood is an abomination. They say
it's only symbolic blood, so it's no more than symbolic abomination, though.
(Brought to you by SigChanger. http://www.phranc.nl)
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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05 Mar 2007 02:51:26 PM |
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On 5 Mar 2007 08:26:55 -0800, "Jerry Kraus"
<jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> claimed:
I find the phrase "Accepts Christ, Leaves Homosexual Lifestyle"
oxymoronic. Ever heard anything about Catholic priests?
Anyone heard of, "Men fail, that doesn't meant that
homosexual acts are okay?".
--
It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible through
their doctrines and their doctrines become absolute in
their minds and the Bible is manipulated and twisted up
like a pretzel to make it match their doctrines. This
happens because so many believe that the Bible is useless,
if it isn't all about them today. They deny that, but
why is it then, that their supposed fulfillments of Bible
prophecies that they preach, always end up being about
whatever is in the news lately and the news always
becomes, "The fulfillment of Bible prophecies right
before our very eyes!". And that folks, is Futurism!
Selfishness, conceit, ego, arrogance and vanity! (:
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| User: "thomas p." |
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08 Mar 2007 08:26:16 AM |
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On 5 Mar., 21:51, Pastor Dave <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 5 Mar 2007 08:26:55 -0800, "Jerry Kraus"
<jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> claimed:
I find the phrase "Accepts Christ, Leaves Homosexual Lifestyle"
oxymoronic. Ever heard anything about Catholic priests?
Anyone heard of, "Men fail, that doesn't meant that
homosexual acts are okay?".
And your opinion does not make homosexuality wrong, especially when it
is an opinion based on no objective reason.
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| User: "Gospel Bretts" |
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05 Mar 2007 05:54:55 AM |
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On 4 Mar 2007 14:19:00 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794182/posts
Magazine publisher accepts Christ, leaves homosexual lifestyle
We'll see how long this lasts. Sexual orientation, like almost all
other biologically derived propensities, is much stronger than your
mythical god can ever hope to be.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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05 Mar 2007 08:56:57 AM |
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On Mar 5, 7:54 pm, Gospel Bretts <bretts1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Mar 2007 14:19:00 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794182/posts
Magazine publisher accepts Christ, leaves homosexual lifestyle
We'll see how long this lasts. Sexual orientation, like almost all
other biologically derived propensities, is much stronger than your
mythical god can ever hope to be.
Except that I would suspect that there are more bisexual women than
lesbian women - and more gay men than bisexual men too for that
matter. Lesbianism seems to be an extension of the female instinct to
be affectionate with people regardless of sex whereas in the case of
male homosexuality... frankly... there doesn't seem to be any
biological imperative demanding that it exist at all... and yet it
obviously does and is something that people homosexual men appear to
be born with and that's all, in the end, that matters. Being a male
homosexual would appear to be no different than being black and is
just as obscene a reason to be discriminated against.
Martin
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| User: "Bibon" |
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05 Mar 2007 02:07:44 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 11:54:55 GMT, Gospel Bretts
<bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Mar 2007 14:19:00 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794182/posts
Magazine publisher accepts Christ, leaves homosexual lifestyle
We'll see how long this lasts. Sexual orientation, like almost all
other biologically derived propensities, is much stronger than your
mythical god can ever hope to be.
Alcoholism and drug abuse are biologically derived behaviors...there
are many alcoholics and drug abusers who have after years of indulging
spent the rest of their lives abstaining from the use of the drugs.
Why shouldn't a homosexual be capable of changing her/his life in the
same way?
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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05 Mar 2007 07:44:45 PM |
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Bibon wrote:
Alcoholism and drug abuse are biologically derived behaviors...there
are many alcoholics and drug abusers who have after years of indulging
spent the rest of their lives abstaining from the use of the drugs.
Why shouldn't a homosexual be capable of changing her/his life in the
same way?
<Church Lady> "Could it be... SATAN?!?" </Church Lady>
--
And the Thought of the Moment (TM) is:
Welcome to Psycho Industries -- Playground Equipment division. Ask about our "mood swings."
(Brought to you by SigChanger. http://www.phranc.nl)
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| User: "thomas p." |
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08 Mar 2007 08:23:08 AM |
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On 5 Mar., 21:07, Bibon <bibon@r=E2lant.org> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 11:54:55 GMT, Gospel Bretts
<bretts1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Mar 2007 14:19:00 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794182/posts
Magazine publisher accepts Christ, leaves homosexual lifestyle
We'll see how long this lasts. Sexual orientation, like almost all
other biologically derived propensities, is much stronger than your
mythical god can ever hope to be.
Alcoholism and drug abuse are biologically derived behaviors...there
are many alcoholics and drug abusers who have after years of indulging
spent the rest of their lives abstaining from the use of the drugs.
Why shouldn't a homosexual be capable of changing her/his life in the
same way?
Homosexuality is not a behavior. Just as a heterosexual is a
heterosexual regardless if he/she is celibate or not, a homosexual is
a homosexual regardless if he/she is celibate or not.
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| User: "raven1" |
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04 Mar 2007 07:00:10 PM |
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On 4 Mar 2007 14:19:00 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794182/posts
Magazine publisher accepts Christ, leaves homosexual lifestyle
OneNewsNow.com ^ | 2 Mar 2007 | Jeff Johnson
Posted on 03/02/2007 12:44:26 PM PST by nckerr
OneNewsNow.com March 2, 2007
The publisher of Venus Magazine, a 13 year old periodical for
homosexuals of African-American descent, announced on the magazine's
website that she has become a Christian and now rejects the lesbian
lifestyle she has lived for her "entire adult life."
"Over the past 29 years of my life I have been an aggressive, creative
and strategic supporter of gay and lesbian issues," Charlene E.
Cothran, VENUS Magazine publisher wrote in the article. "I've
organized and participated in countless marches and various lobbying
efforts in the fight for equal treatment of gay men and lesbians.
Cothran goes on in the online edition's current "cover story" to
describe her financial contributions to homosexual lobbying
organizations, but says her life has now changed.
"As the publisher of a 13 year old periodical which targets Black gays
and lesbians, I have had the opportunity to publicly address
thousands, influencing closeted people to 'come out' and stand up for
them selves, which is particularly difficult in the African-American
community," Cothran writes. "But now, I must come out of the closet
again.
"I have recently experienced the power of change that came over me
once I completely surrendered to the teachings of Jesus Christ," she
continues. "As a believer of the word of God, I fully accept and have
always known that same-sex relationships are not what God intended for
us."
Cothran details a discussion with a local pastor that galvanized the
doubts she had been having while trying to reconcile her homosexual
behavior with the biblical prohibition on sex outside of a one-man,
one-woman marriage.
"The spirit of God spoke directly into my soul and said you will
choose this day who you will serve and if you make the wrong choice, I
will allow you to drift so far away from me that you will never hear
my voice again," Cothran recalls. "I gave God my heart and soul in the
parking lot of the mall, right there in my car. A river of tears
flowed as Jesus washed me and forgave me and redeemed me for His
work."
The author and activist says her work with the homosexual community
will continue, but its focus will drastically change.
"I intend be just as 'out' about my transformation as I was about my
lesbian life. I have given every gift I have back to God, including
VENUS Magazine" Cothran added. "The target audience will remain the
same but the mission has been renewed. Our new mission is to
encourage, educate and assist those in the [homosexual] life who want
change but can't find a way out."
Prediction: She'll be back in a lesbian relationship within a year. As
the good book puts it, the leopard doesn't change her spots...
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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05 Mar 2007 07:27:13 AM |
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 20:00:10 -0500, raven1 wrote:
On 4 Mar 2007 14:19:00 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794182/posts
Magazine publisher accepts Christ, leaves homosexual lifestyle
OneNewsNow.com ^ | 2 Mar 2007 | Jeff Johnson
Posted on 03/02/2007 12:44:26 PM PST by nckerr
OneNewsNow.com March 2, 2007
The publisher of Venus Magazine, a 13 year old periodical for
homosexuals of African-American descent, announced on the magazine's
website that she has become a Christian and now rejects the lesbian
lifestyle she has lived for her "entire adult life."
"Over the past 29 years of my life I have been an aggressive, creative
and strategic supporter of gay and lesbian issues," Charlene E.
Cothran, VENUS Magazine publisher wrote in the article. "I've
organized and participated in countless marches and various lobbying
efforts in the fight for equal treatment of gay men and lesbians.
Cothran goes on in the online edition's current "cover story" to
describe her financial contributions to homosexual lobbying
organizations, but says her life has now changed.
"As the publisher of a 13 year old periodical which targets Black gays
and lesbians, I have had the opportunity to publicly address
thousands, influencing closeted people to 'come out' and stand up for
them selves, which is particularly difficult in the African-American
community," Cothran writes. "But now, I must come out of the closet
again.
"I have recently experienced the power of change that came over me
once I completely surrendered to the teachings of Jesus Christ," she
continues. "As a believer of the word of God, I fully accept and have
always known that same-sex relationships are not what God intended for
us."
Cothran details a discussion with a local pastor that galvanized the
doubts she had been having while trying to reconcile her homosexual
behavior with the biblical prohibition on sex outside of a one-man,
one-woman marriage.
"The spirit of God spoke directly into my soul and said you will
choose this day who you will serve and if you make the wrong choice, I
will allow you to drift so far away from me that you will never hear
my voice again," Cothran recalls. "I gave God my heart and soul in the
parking lot of the mall, right there in my car. A river of tears
flowed as Jesus washed me and forgave me and redeemed me for His
work."
The author and activist says her work with the homosexual community
will continue, but its focus will drastically change.
"I intend be just as 'out' about my transformation as I was about my
lesbian life. I have given every gift I have back to God, including
VENUS Magazine" Cothran added. "The target audience will remain the
same but the mission has been renewed. Our new mission is to
encourage, educate and assist those in the [homosexual] life who want
change but can't find a way out."
Prediction: She'll be back in a lesbian relationship within a year. As
the good book puts it, the leopard doesn't change her spots...
Additional prediction: It'll be with somebody in the church, cause a
scandal, then they'll all forget about it and move on to the next "ex-gay".
Happens all the time...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "No One" |
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| Title: Re: Gay Magazine Publisher Accepts Christ, Leaves Homosexual Lifestyle |
04 Mar 2007 08:00:33 PM |
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raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> writes:
On 4 Mar 2007 14:19:00 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794182/posts
Magazine publisher accepts Christ, leaves homosexual lifestyle
Prediction: She'll be back in a lesbian relationship within a year. As
the good book puts it, the leopard doesn't change her spots...
I did a google search for Venus Magazine and got
<http://www.venusmagazine.org/>, which did have the alleged article.
According to <http://www.venusmagazine.org/about.html>, the magazine
grew "from a regional 5,000 copies per issue in 1995 to 38,000 copies
per issue," so we can assume that this is not exactly a major
publication. Even the Bay Area Reporter (a "gay" publication for the
Bay Area), has a cirulation of around 120,000, published once a week.
Venus Magazine, by contrast, comes out 4 times a year (according to
<http://www.venusmagazine.org/linkpoint.html>). The ".org" in the
magazine's domain name also suggests that it is not a profit-making
business.
Curiously, running 'whois' on venusmagazine.org showed that the domain
name was registered by some guy named Gregg Smith, whose web site is
greggsmith.com - he claims to do "web design and hosting. His tag
line is "Princeton web site designer and web site hosting provider
geared towards small business, non-profits and educational
institutions. We specialize in small business web sites, inexpensive
and reliable web site hosting. Full service and support for your
website."
Here is one of his projects <http://www.grill-dog.com/>, and the
"about us" link <http://www.grill-dog.com/about.html> is revealing:
the web design business seems to be low end enough to be hired by
a home business creating what appears to be a tiny-niche product.
There must be a huge number of small, marginal publications out
there in the U.S. It is hardly surprising that you'd find one
where something strange happened.
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05 Mar 2007 06:25:44 AM |
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raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> writes:
On 4 Mar 2007 14:19:00 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794182/posts
Magazine publisher accepts Christ, leaves homosexual lifestyle
Prediction: She'll be back in a lesbian relationship within a year. As
the good book puts it, the leopard doesn't change her spots...
I did a google search for Venus Magazine and got
<http://www.venusmagazine.org/>, which did have the alleged article.
According to <http://www.venusmagazine.org/about.html>, the magazine
grew "from a regional 5,000 copies per issue in 1995 to 38,000 copies
per issue," so we can assume that this is not exactly a major
publication. Even the Bay Area Reporter (a "gay" publication for the
Bay Area), has a cirulation of around 120,000, published once a week.
Venus Magazine, by contrast, comes out 4 times a year (according to
<http://www.venusmagazine.org/linkpoint.html>). The ".org" in the
magazine's domain name also suggests that it is not a profit-making
business.
Comparing a quartly publication to a weekly newspaper is like saying a cold
day means there is no global warming.
Curiously, running 'whois' on venusmagazine.org showed that the domain
name was registered by some guy named Gregg Smith, whose web site is
greggsmith.com - he claims to do "web design and hosting. His tag
line is "Princeton web site designer and web site hosting provider
geared towards small business, non-profits and educational
institutions. We specialize in small business web sites, inexpensive
and reliable web site hosting. Full service and support for your
website."
Here is one of his projects <http://www.grill-dog.com/>, and the
"about us" link <http://www.grill-dog.com/about.html> is revealing:
the web design business seems to be low end enough to be hired by
a home business creating what appears to be a tiny-niche product.
There must be a huge number of small, marginal publications out
there in the U.S. It is hardly surprising that you'd find one
where something strange happened.
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05 Mar 2007 10:17:07 AM |
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:871wk4zbwe.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> writes:
On 4 Mar 2007 14:19:00 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794182/posts
Magazine publisher accepts Christ, leaves homosexual lifestyle
Prediction: She'll be back in a lesbian relationship within a year. As
the good book puts it, the leopard doesn't change her spots...
I did a google search for Venus Magazine and got
<http://www.venusmagazine.org/>, which did have the alleged article.
According to <http://www.venusmagazine.org/about.html>, the magazine
grew "from a regional 5,000 copies per issue in 1995 to 38,000 copies
per issue," so we can assume that this is not exactly a major
publication. Even the Bay Area Reporter (a "gay" publication for the
Bay Area), has a cirulation of around 120,000, published once a week.
Venus Magazine, by contrast, comes out 4 times a year (according to
<http://www.venusmagazine.org/linkpoint.html>). The ".org" in the
magazine's domain name also suggests that it is not a profit-making
business.
Comparing a quartly publication to a weekly newspaper is like saying a cold
day means there is no global warming.
No, it simply shows that we are dealing with a cottage-industry
publication, and there are a huge number of those. If beat the
bushes hard enough, you'll find something really unusual, which
is just what they did. If you show something that has a one in
a milion chance of happening, it can sound pretty compelling if
you don't know that they searched over a million cases to find
it. And that's what the article about this editor essentially
did.
Curiously, running 'whois' on venusmagazine.org showed that the domain
name was registered by some guy named Gregg Smith, whose web site is
greggsmith.com - he claims to do "web design and hosting. His tag
line is "Princeton web site designer and web site hosting provider
geared towards small business, non-profits and educational
institutions. We specialize in small business web sites, inexpensive
and reliable web site hosting. Full service and support for your
website."
Here is one of his projects <http://www.grill-dog.com/>, and the
"about us" link <http://www.grill-dog.com/about.html> is revealing:
the web design business seems to be low end enough to be hired by
a home business creating what appears to be a tiny-niche product.
There must be a huge number of small, marginal publications out
there in the U.S. It is hardly surprising that you'd find one
where something strange happened.
(Note how there was no comment about the actual point being made, just
an attempt to complain about the facts.)
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| User: "Roger" |
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05 Mar 2007 07:46:01 PM |
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"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:878xebwtny.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:871wk4zbwe.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> writes:
On 4 Mar 2007 14:19:00 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794182/posts
Magazine publisher accepts Christ, leaves homosexual lifestyle
Prediction: She'll be back in a lesbian relationship within a year. As
the good book puts it, the leopard doesn't change her spots...
I did a google search for Venus Magazine and got
<http://www.venusmagazine.org/>, which did have the alleged article.
According to <http://www.venusmagazine.org/about.html>, the magazine
grew "from a regional 5,000 copies per issue in 1995 to 38,000 copies
per issue," so we can assume that this is not exactly a major
publication. Even the Bay Area Reporter (a "gay" publication for the
Bay Area), has a cirulation of around 120,000, published once a week.
Venus Magazine, by contrast, comes out 4 times a year (according to
<http://www.venusmagazine.org/linkpoint.html>). The ".org" in the
magazine's domain name also suggests that it is not a profit-making
business.
Comparing a quartly publication to a weekly newspaper is like saying a
cold
day means there is no global warming.
No, it simply shows that we are dealing with a cottage-industry
publication, and there are a huge number of those. If beat the
bushes hard enough, you'll find something really unusual, which
is just what they did. If you show something that has a one in
a milion chance of happening, it can sound pretty compelling if
you don't know that they searched over a million cases to find
it. And that's what the article about this editor essentially
did.
You don't know what you're talking about.
38,000 is very respectable for a QUARTERLY niche publication.
Curiously, running 'whois' on venusmagazine.org showed that the domain
name was registered by some guy named Gregg Smith, whose web site is
greggsmith.com - he claims to do "web design and hosting. His tag
line is "Princeton web site designer and web site hosting provider
geared towards small business, non-profits and educational
institutions. We specialize in small business web sites, inexpensive
and reliable web site hosting. Full service and support for your
website."
Here is one of his projects <http://www.grill-dog.com/>, and the
"about us" link <http://www.grill-dog.com/about.html> is revealing:
the web design business seems to be low end enough to be hired by
a home business creating what appears to be a tiny-niche product.
There must be a huge number of small, marginal publications out
there in the U.S. It is hardly surprising that you'd find one
where something strange happened.
(Note how there was no comment about the actual point being made, just
an attempt to complain about the facts.)
Yeah, facts. Who cares if they're really facts or not.
Typical conservative.
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| User: "No One" |
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05 Mar 2007 09:14:27 PM |
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:878xebwtny.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> writes:
Comparing a quartly publication to a weekly newspaper is like
saying a cold day means there is no global warming.
No, it simply shows that we are dealing with a cottage-industry
publication, and there are a huge number of those. If beat the
bushes hard enough, you'll find something really unusual, which
is just what they did. If you show something that has a one in
a milion chance of happening, it can sound pretty compelling if
you don't know that they searched over a million cases to find
it. And that's what the article about this editor essentially
did.
You don't know what you're talking about.
38,000 is very respectable for a QUARTERLY niche publication.
Actually *you* don't know what you are talking about! The point
was not how well this particular publication was doing in its tiny
niche, but rather the fact that it is in a tiny niche. There are
a lot of tiny niches out there.
With so many niche publications, most of which 99.999% of us have
never heard of, you have a very large sample size from which to find a
publisher or editor with some unusual quirks.
That's all that happpened - someone beat the bushes long enough for
something wierd to come out, in this case a lesbian publisher who
decided to praise Jesus and become an ex-lesbian preaching the
sinfulness of her former ways.
(Note how there was no comment about the actual point being made, just
an attempt to complain about the facts.)
Yeah, facts. Who cares if they're really facts or not.
Typical conservative.
LOL! I regularly get critized for being too liberal! And all I
pointed out was that, if you try a million times, it isn't surprising
if you find something whose odds of occurring are a million to one. A
common fallacy, often pushed by people with political agendas, I might
add, is to say "the chance of this being accidental is a million to
one so X must be true", without giving a hint that they tried a
million times to find it.
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| User: "Roger" |
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| Title: Re: Gay Magazine Publisher Accepts Christ, Leaves Homosexual Lifestyle |
06 Mar 2007 01:14:16 AM |
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"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:877itvqcyl.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:878xebwtny.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> writes:
Comparing a quartly publication to a weekly newspaper is like
saying a cold day means there is no global warming.
No, it simply shows that we are dealing with a cottage-industry
publication, and there are a huge number of those. If beat the
bushes hard enough, you'll find something really unusual, which
is just what they did. If you show something that has a one in
a milion chance of happening, it can sound pretty compelling if
you don't know that they searched over a million cases to find
it. And that's what the article about this editor essentially
did.
You don't know what you're talking about.
38,000 is very respectable for a QUARTERLY niche publication.
Actually *you* don't know what you are talking about! The point
was not how well this particular publication was doing in its tiny
niche, but rather the fact that it is in a tiny niche. There are
a lot of tiny niches out there.
Which explains why you compared its circulation against another publication
that exactly 1/2 the potential audience.
You were comparing niche publications.
With so many niche publications, most of which 99.999% of us have
never heard of, you have a very large sample size from which to find a
publisher or editor with some unusual quirks.
That's all that happpened - someone beat the bushes long enough for
something wierd to come out, in this case a lesbian publisher who
decided to praise Jesus and become an ex-lesbian preaching the
sinfulness of her former ways.
(Note how there was no comment about the actual point being made, just
an attempt to complain about the facts.)
Yeah, facts. Who cares if they're really facts or not.
Typical conservative.
LOL! I regularly get critized for being too liberal! And all I
pointed out was that, if you try a million times, it isn't surprising
if you find something whose odds of occurring are a million to one. A
common fallacy, often pushed by people with political agendas, I might
add, is to say "the chance of this being accidental is a million to
one so X must be true", without giving a hint that they tried a
million times to find it.
You must have intended that to make sense to someone. It doesn't, nor does
it have something to do with the discussion.
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| User: "No One" |
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06 Mar 2007 01:53:25 AM |
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:877itvqcyl.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:878xebwtny.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> writes:
Comparing a quartly publication to a weekly newspaper is like
saying a cold day means there is no global warming.
No, it simply shows that we are dealing with a cottage-industry
publication, and there are a huge number of those. If beat the
bushes hard enough, you'll find something really unusual, which
is just what they did. If you show something that has a one in
a milion chance of happening, it can sound pretty compelling if
you don't know that they searched over a million cases to find
it. And that's what the article about this editor essentially
did.
You don't know what you're talking about.
38,000 is very respectable for a QUARTERLY niche publication.
Actually *you* don't know what you are talking about! The point
was not how well this particular publication was doing in its tiny
niche, but rather the fact that it is in a tiny niche. There are
a lot of tiny niches out there.
Which explains why you compared its circulation against another publication
that exactly 1/2 the potential audience.
You were comparing niche publications.
Nope - I was showing how tiny this publication's niche was. All niches
aren't the same size, and as you get smaller, you expect to find more
of them. If I was comparing publications, I'd have talked about content,
not size.
With so many niche publications, most of which 99.999% of us have
never heard of, you have a very large sample size from which to find a
publisher or editor with some unusual quirks.
That's all that happpened - someone beat the bushes long enough for
something wierd to come out, in this case a lesbian publisher who
decided to praise Jesus and become an ex-lesbian preaching the
sinfulness of her former ways.
(Note how there was no comment about the actual point being made, just
an attempt to complain about the facts.)
Yeah, facts. Who cares if they're really facts or not.
Typical conservative.
LOL! I regularly get critized for being too liberal! And all I
pointed out was that, if you try a million times, it isn't surprising
if you find something whose odds of occurring are a million to one. A
common fallacy, often pushed by people with political agendas, I might
add, is to say "the chance of this being accidental is a million to
one so X must be true", without giving a hint that they tried a
million times to find it.
You must have intended that to make sense to someone. It doesn't, nor does
it have something to do with the discussion.
Your lack of understanding is your problem. :-)
It should be obvious that, if you beat the bushes hard enough, you can
find some pretty bizarre stuff that typically has no significance in
the scheme of things. The person in the article (essentially a lesbian
publisher of a niche rag who "finds Jesus" and becomes an ex-lesbian,
and probably an ex-ex-lesbian in the next installment) is just one
more of those crazy things. Here's a whole bunch for your amusement:
<http://www.sfgate.com/n/bondage/> (the word 'bondage' is just the
name the newspaper used for the weird stuff and should not be taken
literally). One entry is an article entitled "God's Check No Good
Here", about a guy in Indiana who tried to cash a $50,000 check from
"the Almighty".
And that is what they did - found something weird and passed it off
as somehow significant.
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05 Mar 2007 03:07:03 PM |
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No One wrote:
Curiously, running 'whois' on venusmagazine.org showed that the domain
name was registered by some guy named Gregg Smith, whose web site is
greggsmith.com - he claims to do "web design and hosting. His tag
line is "Princeton web site designer and web site hosting provider
geared towards small business, non-profits and educational
institutions. We specialize in small business web sites, inexpensive
and reliable web site hosting. Full service and support for your
website."
Did you see the whois creation date? December 29, 2006.
http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=venusmagazine&tld=org
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Articles of Impeachment Against Richard Cheney
http://zzpat.bravehost.com/feb_2007/the_people_v_richard_cheney.html
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05 Mar 2007 03:34:51 PM |
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zzpat <zzpatrick@gmail.com> writes:
No One wrote:
Curiously, running 'whois' on venusmagazine.org showed that the
domain
name was registered by some guy named Gregg Smith, whose web site is
greggsmith.com - he claims to do "web design and hosting. His tag
line is "Princeton web site designer and web site hosting provider
geared towards small business, non-profits and educational
institutions. We specialize in small business web sites, inexpensive
and reliable web site hosting. Full service and support for your
website."
Did you see the whois creation date? December 29, 2006.
Unfortunately, all that tells you is when the domain name was created.
It could have been a tiny print publication that didn't get around to
setting up a web site or domain name until a few months ago, or that
someone didn't like a previous domain name and simply decided to
change it. Possibly the editor had a personal Internet account, and
had previously just used the space that her ISP provided for her
magazine (that only works if you have a small number of readers and if
you can bill the thing as non-commercial). Of course, the whole thing
could be a fraud, which I guess is what you are suggesting, but I
didn't want to jump to conclusions.
It's possible that she had a tiny web site, using her ISP's web
service, got religion, and with the religion came some funding to make
the thing look more real as advertising for the religious right wing's
anti-gay agenda, at which point the web site designer was hired.
The problem, though, is that there are a lot of possibilities, and
with no further information, it is hard to tell what is really
going on.
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05 Mar 2007 08:44:57 PM |
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No One wrote:
It's possible that she had a tiny web site, using her ISP's web
service, got religion, and with the religion came some funding to make
the thing look more real as advertising for the religious right wing's
anti-gay agenda, at which point the web site designer was hired.
Well, that would fit the "Article Archive" that is all of two items long.
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05 Mar 2007 10:34:55 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:34:51 GMT, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:
It's possible that she had a tiny web site, using her ISP's web
service, got religion, and with the religion came some funding to make
the thing look more real as advertising for the religious right wing's
anti-gay agenda, at which point the web site designer was hired.
Size really is important to you homos, isn't it?
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| User: "No One" |
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05 Mar 2007 11:23:06 PM |
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Bibon <bibon@râlant.org> writes:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:34:51 GMT, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:
It's possible that she had a tiny web site, using her ISP's web
service, got religion, and with the religion came some funding to make
the thing look more real as advertising for the religious right wing's
anti-gay agenda, at which point the web site designer was hired.
Size really is important to you homos, isn't it?
(Bibon, aka Bill Taylor, calls everyone a "homo" and it is no doubt a
case of "projection" :-)).
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| User: "Bibon" |
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| Title: Re: Gay Magazine Publisher Accepts Christ, Leaves Homosexual Lifestyle |
07 Mar 2007 04:50:04 AM |
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On 05 Mar 2007 21:23:06 -0800, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:
Bibon <bibon@râlant.org> writes:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:34:51 GMT, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:
It's possible that she had a tiny web site, using her ISP's web
service, got religion, and with the religion came some funding to make
the thing look more real as advertising for the religious right wing's
anti-gay agenda, at which point the web site designer was hired.
Size really is important to you homos, isn't it?
(Bibon, aka Bill Taylor, calls everyone a "homo" and it is no doubt a
case of "projection" :-)).
But, Jenn, I was alluding to homophiles too. You have and I presume
you still do admit to that tag, don't you?
BTW -- I know your comedy club fans will enjoy your having included a
reference to your beloved Bill Taylor in your post
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| User: "No One" |
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07 Mar 2007 12:41:02 PM |
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Bibon <bibon@râlant.org> writes:
On 05 Mar 2007 21:23:06 -0800, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
wrote:
Bibon <bibon@râlant.org> writes:
Size really is important to you homos, isn't it?
(Bibon, aka Bill Taylor, calls everyone a "homo" and it is no doubt a
case of "projection" :-)).
But, Jenn, I was alluding to homophiles too. You have and I presume
you still do admit to that tag, don't you?
BTW -- I know your comedy club fans will enjoy your having included a
reference to your beloved Bill Taylor in your post
See Message-ID <n5tn72l8p74cfv8vcb8uu848b6ibuav57v@4ax.com> for a post
in which bibon (aka Bill Taylor)identified himself and Message ID
<m3d5dvpb61.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net> for details about how he
identified himself. Basically, he claimed that "Bill Taylor" never
received a phone call from some individual, something only "Bill
Taylor" could know, with the phone number in question belonging to
"our" "Bill Taylor". Others, of course, have reached the same
conclusion.
The really interesting question is why he is so sensitive about "Bill
Taylor" so much more so than all his other numerous identities. :-)
Some of his rantings are just comical. For example,
in Message ID <2iell25bqiqgv16irm0ui3a048r8kjeaec@4ax.com>, one of
Bill Taylor's aliases "bibon@ralent.org (with a '^' over the 'a')
posted an inadvertent admission that he is gay enough to hire a
male prostitute (whether or not he intended to say that).
However, he's shown his dishonesty time and time again. For one
example, in Message ID <skmio2d2lukbv2gkt5q0nqhk230e022r9s@4ax.com>,
Bill Taylor (aka bibon) was caught forging headers,changing "LC" to
"LA" and "LB" in headers he cut and pasted to pretend that "LC" was
posting under multiple identities. You can cross check this claim by
using Google to search for the message IDs. LC's post with Message ID
<embjih02o3h@enews1.newsguy.com> was attributed by Bill Taylor to "LA"
(but Taylor suppressed part of the message ID by giving it as
<embjhn02...@enews1.newsguy.com> to make tracing it difficult).
Such behavior gives zero credibility to any statment Bill Taylor (aka
bibon, aka ...) makes. You really have to wonder about someone who
would post such a lie when it is so easily checked.
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