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Religions > Bible |
| User: |
"J Young" |
| Date: |
03 Nov 2004 08:50:36 AM |
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Gay marriage CRUSHED |
Eleven states had initiatives on the ballots declaring marriage as
being a union between "a man and a woman". Eleven states approved
these by landslide proportions. Gay marriage is dead in the water, as
it should be. Decency has once again prevailed.
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| User: "No One" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
16 Nov 2004 07:57:20 PM |
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Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> writes:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:40:23 GMT, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
pontificated:
Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> writes:
On 16 Nov 2004 00:27:19 -0800, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, (Reverend Erik)
pontificated:
Well, if I may ask politely, from one man of the cloth to another,
where did you recieve your degree in theology from?
Understand that there's people in these groups who hate me and so I
don't give information like that out anymore.
It isn't clear what he was told never to do again, but
if you look at message ID <ajvbnuc22sr5m50od26o19g0cseab1ibi3@4ax.com>,
you'll see "Pastor Dave" saying,
"Then why the need for adoption? And why did Jesus tell
the Jews in John, that their father was the Devil?"
I can see how a religious organization might get upset at a "pastor"
who, after the Holocaust, goes around saying that Jews are descended
from the devil. He's homophobic as well. I don't think anyone would
mind if he merely said that his religion has a prohibition against
certain sexual practices, just as Jews and Muslims are not supposed to
eat pork, but he goes well beyond a mere statement of fact about his
church's practices and instead encourages hatred against a minority.
For a direct link to the post cited above, try
<http://www.google.com/groups?selm=ajvbnuc22sr5m50od26o19g0cseab1ibi3%404ax.com&output=gplain>.
I notice that instead of dealing with the subject, you instead try
to find a way to attack me. The fact is, I did not say that all
Jews have the Devil for their father.
The quote above was your full statement from that post (everything else
in it was quoted text). If there is any confusion about what you meant,
you have no one to blame but yourself. If you are in fact working as
a pastor, you should be expected to have reasonable communication skills.
If you want to now claim you don't, then you are incompetent at your
claimed profession.
Everyone who is not born again, has Satan for their father. Nowhere
did I say, "The Jews are descended from the Devil", nor can you
quote me saying that. But this is the typical approach for people
who like to make accusations and avoid the facts.
The quote above is an exact quote from a message you (or at least
someone posting as "Pastor Dave"). Denying it is idiotic - I gave the
URL to the Google archive containing the original message. Do you
think Google is lying about what you posted? If someone has the Devil
as his father, he or she is descended from the Devil. Everyone is
descended from his father by definition.
Now, perhaps you'd answer the other guy's question about whether you
are really a pastor or not. If you are worried about what others
might say, he can post a public key, you can post an encrypted
response using that public key, and then he can decrypt it and report
what you said, keeping any personal data private. That's fair and more
than addresses your concerns. If you do it that way, you can even
protect your email address as it won't be needed.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
17 Nov 2004 08:05:40 AM |
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:57:20 GMT, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
pontificated:
Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> writes:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:40:23 GMT, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
pontificated:
Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> writes:
On 16 Nov 2004 00:27:19 -0800, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, (Reverend Erik)
pontificated:
Well, if I may ask politely, from one man of the cloth to another,
where did you recieve your degree in theology from?
Understand that there's people in these groups who hate me and so I
don't give information like that out anymore.
It isn't clear what he was told never to do again, but
if you look at message ID <ajvbnuc22sr5m50od26o19g0cseab1ibi3@4ax.com>,
you'll see "Pastor Dave" saying,
"Then why the need for adoption? And why did Jesus tell
the Jews in John, that their father was the Devil?"
I can see how a religious organization might get upset at a "pastor"
who, after the Holocaust, goes around saying that Jews are descended
from the devil. He's homophobic as well. I don't think anyone would
mind if he merely said that his religion has a prohibition against
certain sexual practices, just as Jews and Muslims are not supposed to
eat pork, but he goes well beyond a mere statement of fact about his
church's practices and instead encourages hatred against a minority.
For a direct link to the post cited above, try
<http://www.google.com/groups?selm=ajvbnuc22sr5m50od26o19g0cseab1ibi3%404ax.com&output=gplain>.
I notice that instead of dealing with the subject, you instead try
to find a way to attack me. The fact is, I did not say that all
Jews have the Devil for their father.
The quote above was your full statement from that post (everything else
in it was quoted text). If there is any confusion about what you meant,
you have no one to blame but yourself. If you are in fact working as
a pastor, you should be expected to have reasonable communication skills.
If you want to now claim you don't, then you are incompetent at your
claimed profession.
Throwing insults doesn't prove your point. The fact
is, that if you had read the thread, you would know
what was under discussion.
Everyone who is not born again, has Satan for their father. Nowhere
did I say, "The Jews are descended from the Devil", nor can you
quote me saying that. But this is the typical approach for people
who like to make accusations and avoid the facts.
The quote above is an exact quote from a message you (or at least
someone posting as "Pastor Dave"). Denying it is idiotic - I gave the
URL to the Google archive containing the original message. Do you
think Google is lying about what you posted? If someone has the Devil
as his father, he or she is descended from the Devil. Everyone is
descended from his father by definition.
See above.
Now, perhaps you'd answer the other guy's question about whether you
are really a pastor or not. If you are worried about what others
might say, he can post a public key, you can post an encrypted
response using that public key, and then he can decrypt it and report
what you said, keeping any personal data private. That's fair and more
than addresses your concerns. If you do it that way, you can even
protect your email address as it won't be needed.
Once gain, someone makes a false claim and directly
lies about what I said and it is up to me to prove
myself? I don't think so.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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| User: "No One" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
17 Nov 2004 11:01:00 AM |
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Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> writes:
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:57:20 GMT, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
pontificated:
Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> writes:
It isn't clear what he was told never to do again, but
if you look at message ID <ajvbnuc22sr5m50od26o19g0cseab1ibi3@4ax.com>,
you'll see "Pastor Dave" saying,
"Then why the need for adoption? And why did Jesus tell
the Jews in John, that their father was the Devil?"
<snip
For a direct link to the post cited above, try
<http://www.google.com/groups?selm=ajvbnuc22sr5m50od26o19g0cseab1ibi3%404ax.com&output=gplain>.
I notice that instead of dealing with the subject, you instead try
to find a way to attack me. The fact is, I did not say that all
Jews have the Devil for their father.
The quote above was your full statement from that post (everything else
in it was quoted text). If there is any confusion about what you meant,
you have no one to blame but yourself. If you are in fact working as
a pastor, you should be expected to have reasonable communication skills.
If you want to now claim you don't, then you are incompetent at your
claimed profession.
Throwing insults doesn't prove your point. The fact is, that if you
had read the thread, you would know what was under discussion.
Your own words speak for themselves, and you were quite evidently
the person "throwing insults". If you don't like that, I
suggest you spend more time composing what you post and editing it.
Now, perhaps you'd answer the other guy's question about whether you
are really a pastor or not. If you are worried about what others
might say, he can post a public key, you can post an encrypted
response using that public key, and then he can decrypt it and report
what you said, keeping any personal data private. That's fair and more
than addresses your concerns. If you do it that way, you can even
protect your email address as it won't be needed.
Once gain, someone makes a false claim and directly lies about what
I said and it is up to me to prove myself? I don't think so.
You are claiming to be a pastor. Lots of people on usenet make
completely bogus claims about their credentials. Why should anyone
believe you when at most we have an email address to go by?
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
17 Nov 2004 11:54:19 AM |
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:01:00 GMT, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
pontificated:
Throwing insults doesn't prove your point. The fact is, that if you
had read the thread, you would know what was under discussion.
Your own words speak for themselves, and you were quite evidently
the person "throwing insults". If you don't like that, I
suggest you spend more time composing what you post and editing it.
Sure, assume I took all the words out. From now on,
I'll just quote every post in the thread into my own
message before responding and sending it. Does that
work for you?
Now, perhaps you'd answer the other guy's question about whether you
are really a pastor or not. If you are worried about what others
might say, he can post a public key, you can post an encrypted
response using that public key, and then he can decrypt it and report
what you said, keeping any personal data private. That's fair and more
than addresses your concerns. If you do it that way, you can even
protect your email address as it won't be needed.
Once gain, someone makes a false claim and directly lies about what
I said and it is up to me to prove myself? I don't think so.
You are claiming to be a pastor. Lots of people on usenet make
completely bogus claims about their credentials. Why should anyone
believe you when at most we have an email address to go by?
Why should anyone believe the claims by these two that
*I* said that I had not training and that *I* said that
I just decided to start calling myself a pastor, etc.,
without them backing it up? Yet you people don't
admonish them for making false claims about what I have
said. Interesting bit of logic you have there. You
know what? If you don't want to believe I am a pastor,
then don't. But the fact is, that you don't know and
to claim that I said the things you are actually
saying, is to be dishonest and you should expect to be
called upon to provide a quote of me saying those
things, or have the integrity retract your claim that
you know I am not a real pastor, because I said those
things, when I never did. Apparently, that doesn't
matter to people like you. All that matters, is how
many insults you can throw my way and how many lies you
can tell about me, never backing them up.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "No One" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
17 Nov 2004 08:45:24 PM |
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Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> writes:
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:01:00 GMT, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, No One <noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
pontificated:
Throwing insults doesn't prove your point. The fact is, that if you
had read the thread, you would know what was under discussion.
Your own words speak for themselves, and you were quite evidently
the person "throwing insults". If you don't like that, I
suggest you spend more time composing what you post and editing it.
Sure, assume I took all the words out. From now on,
I'll just quote every post in the thread into my own
message before responding and sending it. Does that
work for you?
Are you seriously claiming that you are incapable of writing a
short summary providing some context so readers won't have to
wade through thousands of lines of repetitive usenet garbage to
guess what you might have intended? Many of these posts consist
of pages of quoted text followed by a one-line response. Do you
really expect anyone to wade through that?
You are claiming to be a pastor. Lots of people on usenet make
completely bogus claims about their credentials. Why should anyone
believe you when at most we have an email address to go by?
Why should anyone believe the claims by these two that
*I* said that I had not training and that *I* said that
I just decided to start calling myself a pastor, etc.,
without them backing it up? Yet you people don't
admonish them for making false claims about what I have
said.
"You people"? What are you talking about? Anyone who disagrees with
you?
All that matters, is how
many insults you can throw my way and how many lies you
can tell about me, never backing them up.
Where precisely were you being insulted? And if you don't like the
reaction you get, well what do you expect when are you posting
anti-gay religious stuff on a gay political group (and only some of
the partipants are gay, BTW - others are simply tolerant and
supportive.)
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
16 Nov 2004 07:22:08 AM |
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On 16 Nov 2004 00:27:19 -0800, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, (Reverend Erik)
pontificated:
Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<r17ip0puq2f4i8f72sfuhk7cakq61t9377@4ax.com>...
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:47:16 -0800, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> pontificated:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:31:40 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
I noticed you SNIPPED much of the post I wrote for you... HERE IT IS
AGAIN:
And what "points" were made in the section of the quoted text above?
I was commenting on your self-labeling of "pastor". What accusations
did I make? When you go to church, does your Pastor refer to you as
"Pastor Dave" or just dave? Does your Pastor even know you call
yourself a 'pastor'?
DO TELL US... I'm willing to bet that your PASTOR doesn't even know
that you call yourself a 'pastor', does he? I definately bet he
wouldn't concider you a PEER.
James, Seattle
True. I would consider Dave a pastor, the day he gets off his fat
chuff, goes down to the local university and takes a course in theology
- yes, one can go to a regular, run of the mill state university and
study that subject. The day he has studied the subject he is to advise
people in, then I'll be quite happy to call him a Pastor.
Another accusation. Care to back it up? Or are you
like James, who makes accusations and then runs away?
Why make everyone else look through all your posts... just correct us
by telling us where you went to school to become a "pastor".
james, Seattle
Once again, James dodges the challenge to back up his
claims. He is dishonest.
Well, if I may ask politely, from one man of the cloth to another,
where did you recieve your degree in theology from? Or, if it was not
required by your church, which church were you ordained by? I would
be fully willing to share the same information regarding my ordination
as a minister if you wish.
I'm just tired of watching this debate go back and forth.
Understand that there's people in these groups who hate
me and so I don't give information like that out
anymore. I did once a few years ago and they got a
bunch of calls, many of which were not very pleasant.
They called me and asked me never to do that again.
These guys already know that. They just like to make
accusations that they know they can't back up, because
I've already told them this. Note that James claims
that I said that I had no schooling and just started
calling myself a pastor. Of course, he cannot quote me
saying that. Besides, I have nothing to prove to
anyone here. This comes from hate on their part. They
cannot get an easy win over and they know I won't fall
for their typical arguments, so they try to find a way
to discredit me in the minds of others. That's the
only reason I keep calling them on their claims. So
anyway, I don't say anymore.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
12 Nov 2004 10:36:11 AM |
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:22:56 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:44:26 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:24:59 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
You became a "pastor" because you wanted to parade the title around
and show off how SMART you are.
According to YOU, all it takes to become a pastor is to decide to
start calling yourself one. Of course, you say you had 'a calling',
but that's just a code word for "I decided to become a pastor one
day".
By YOUR criteria, I could start calling myself a pastor today because
my inner voice told me to.
I see that to you, insults are a way of life. Typical
for your kind. When you cannot refute the points made,
attack the person and make all of the accusations you
want against them, but don't worry about proving any of
them.
Where did I insult you? I said you decided to become a pastor so one
day you started calling yourself one. That IS what you've told us.
No, that is NOT what I told you. You are lying again.
I noticed you SNIPPED much of the post I wrote for you... HERE IT IS
AGAIN:
Your are irrelevant.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
12 Nov 2004 06:10:07 AM |
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:22:56 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:44:26 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:24:59 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
You became a "pastor" because you wanted to parade the title around
and show off how SMART you are.
According to YOU, all it takes to become a pastor is to decide to
start calling yourself one. Of course, you say you had 'a calling',
but that's just a code word for "I decided to become a pastor one
day".
By YOUR criteria, I could start calling myself a pastor today because
my inner voice told me to.
I see that to you, insults are a way of life. Typical
for your kind. When you cannot refute the points made,
attack the person and make all of the accusations you
want against them, but don't worry about proving any of
them.
Where did I insult you? I said you decided to become a pastor so one
day you started calling yourself one. That IS what you've told us.
No, that is NOT what I told you. You are lying again.
I noticed you SNIPPED much of the post I wrote for you... HERE IT IS
AGAIN:
Your further insults are irrelevant. You claimed that
I TOLD YOU that I decided to become a pastor and so one
day I started calling myself one. Quote me saying
that, or have the integrity to retract your claim and
apologize.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "RainLover" |
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12 Nov 2004 08:39:58 AM |
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:10:07 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:22:56 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:44:26 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:24:59 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
You became a "pastor" because you wanted to parade the title around
and show off how SMART you are.
According to YOU, all it takes to become a pastor is to decide to
start calling yourself one. Of course, you say you had 'a calling',
but that's just a code word for "I decided to become a pastor one
day".
By YOUR criteria, I could start calling myself a pastor today because
my inner voice told me to.
I see that to you, insults are a way of life. Typical
for your kind. When you cannot refute the points made,
attack the person and make all of the accusations you
want against them, but don't worry about proving any of
them.
Where did I insult you? I said you decided to become a pastor so one
day you started calling yourself one. That IS what you've told us.
No, that is NOT what I told you. You are lying again.
I noticed you SNIPPED much of the post I wrote for you... HERE IT IS
AGAIN:
Your further insults are irrelevant. You claimed that
I TOLD YOU that I decided to become a pastor and so one
day I started calling myself one. Quote me saying
that, or have the integrity to retract your claim and
apologize.
You said that you had a "calling" to become a "pastor", so started
calling yourself a pastor.
NOW: answer this (of course, you WON'T, but that's all right since
everyone reading this will know the answer by your avoidence of
it)....
What accusations did I make? When you go to church, does your Pastor
refer to you as "Pastor Dave" or just dave? Does your Pastor even
know you call yourself a 'pastor'?
DO TELL US... I'm willing to bet that your PASTOR doesn't even know
that you call yourself a 'pastor', does he? I definately bet he
wouldn't consider you a PEER.
James, Seattle
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
12 Nov 2004 03:45:00 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:39:58 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:10:07 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:22:56 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:44:26 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:24:59 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
You became a "pastor" because you wanted to parade the title around
and show off how SMART you are.
According to YOU, all it takes to become a pastor is to decide to
start calling yourself one. Of course, you say you had 'a calling',
but that's just a code word for "I decided to become a pastor one
day".
By YOUR criteria, I could start calling myself a pastor today because
my inner voice told me to.
I see that to you, insults are a way of life. Typical
for your kind. When you cannot refute the points made,
attack the person and make all of the accusations you
want against them, but don't worry about proving any of
them.
Where did I insult you? I said you decided to become a pastor so one
day you started calling yourself one. That IS what you've told us.
No, that is NOT what I told you. You are lying again.
I noticed you SNIPPED much of the post I wrote for you... HERE IT IS
AGAIN:
Your further insults are irrelevant. You claimed that
I TOLD YOU that I decided to become a pastor and so one
day I started calling myself one. Quote me saying
that, or have the integrity to retract your claim and
apologize.
You said that you had a "calling" to become a "pastor", so started
calling yourself a pastor.
Once again, YOU LIE. Quote me saying that, or have the
integrity to retract your claim and apologize.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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| User: "RainLover" |
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15 Nov 2004 02:38:28 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:45:00 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
You said that you had a "calling" to become a "pastor", so started
calling yourself a pastor.
Once again, YOU LIE. Quote me saying that, or have the
integrity to retract your claim and apologize.
You never went to school to become a pastor, and you have stated many
times that you had a calling to become a pastor, so you are now a
'pastor'.
It's VERY telling that you keep quietly snipping my question about
does your Pastor at your church call you 'pastor dave' or just
'dave'... or even if he KNOWS you call yourself a pastor.
james, seattle
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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15 Nov 2004 02:54:54 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:38:28 -0800, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> pontificated:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:45:00 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
You said that you had a "calling" to become a "pastor", so started
calling yourself a pastor.
Once again, YOU LIE. Quote me saying that, or have the
integrity to retract your claim and apologize.
You never went to school to become a pastor, and you have stated many
times that you had a calling to become a pastor, so you are now a
'pastor'.
Again you make an accusation without proving it. You
claimed I said words that I did not say. Your lies are
obvious for all to see.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
14 Nov 2004 07:32:01 AM |
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:45:00 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> yodeled:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:39:58 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:10:07 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:22:56 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:44:26 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:24:59 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
You became a "pastor" because you wanted to parade the title around
and show off how SMART you are.
According to YOU, all it takes to become a pastor is to decide to
start calling yourself one. Of course, you say you had 'a calling',
but that's just a code word for "I decided to become a pastor one
day".
By YOUR criteria, I could start calling myself a pastor today because
my inner voice told me to.
I see that to you, insults are a way of life. Typical
for your kind. When you cannot refute the points made,
attack the person and make all of the accusations you
want against them, but don't worry about proving any of
them.
Where did I insult you? I said you decided to become a pastor so one
day you started calling yourself one. That IS what you've told us.
No, that is NOT what I told you. You are lying again.
I noticed you SNIPPED much of the post I wrote for you... HERE IT IS
AGAIN:
Your further insults are irrelevant. You claimed that
I TOLD YOU that I decided to become a pastor and so one
day I started calling myself one. Quote me saying
that, or have the integrity to retract your claim and
apologize.
You said that you had a "calling" to become a "pastor", so started
calling yourself a pastor.
Once again, YOU LIE. Quote me saying that, or have the
integrity to retract your claim and apologize.
I'm still waiting...
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Matty" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
15 Nov 2004 12:01:08 AM |
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On 2004-11-15 00:32:01 +1100, Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> said:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:45:00 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> yodeled:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:39:58 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:10:07 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:22:56 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:44:26 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:24:59 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
You became a "pastor" because you wanted to parade the title around
and show off how SMART you are.
According to YOU, all it takes to become a pastor is to decide to
start calling yourself one. Of course, you say you had 'a calling',
but that's just a code word for "I decided to become a pastor one
day".
By YOUR criteria, I could start calling myself a pastor today because
my inner voice told me to.
I see that to you, insults are a way of life. Typical
for your kind. When you cannot refute the points made,
attack the person and make all of the accusations you
want against them, but don't worry about proving any of
them.
Where did I insult you? I said you decided to become a pastor so one
day you started calling yourself one. That IS what you've told us.
No, that is NOT what I told you. You are lying again.
I noticed you SNIPPED much of the post I wrote for you... HERE IT IS
AGAIN:
Your further insults are irrelevant. You claimed that
I TOLD YOU that I decided to become a pastor and so one
day I started calling myself one. Quote me saying
that, or have the integrity to retract your claim and
apologize.
You said that you had a "calling" to become a "pastor", so started
calling yourself a pastor.
Once again, YOU LIE. Quote me saying that, or have the
integrity to retract your claim and apologize.
I'm still waiting...
You call yourself Paster Dave; give evidence to prove that you earned
that title.
Matty
--
"If a nation could not prosper without the enjoyment of perfect liberty
and perfect justice, there is not in the world a nation which could
ever have prospered." - The Wealth of Nations, Book IV, Chapter IX
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this
world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or
all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of
government except all those other forms that have been tried from time
to time." - Sir Winston Churchill, Hansard, November 11, 1947
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
15 Nov 2004 11:50:33 AM |
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:01:08 +1100, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
pontificated:
On 2004-11-15 00:32:01 +1100, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> said:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:45:00 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> yodeled:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:39:58 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:10:07 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:22:56 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:44:26 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:24:59 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
You became a "pastor" because you wanted to parade the title
around and show off how SMART you are.
According to YOU, all it takes to become a pastor is to
decide to start calling yourself one. Of course, you say you
had 'a calling', but that's just a code word for "I decided
to become a pastor one day".
By YOUR criteria, I could start calling myself a pastor today
because my inner voice told me to.
I see that to you, insults are a way of life. Typical
for your kind. When you cannot refute the points made,
attack the person and make all of the accusations you
want against them, but don't worry about proving any of
them.
Where did I insult you? I said you decided to become a pastor
so one day you started calling yourself one. That IS what
you've told us.
No, that is NOT what I told you. You are lying again.
I noticed you SNIPPED much of the post I wrote for you... HERE
IT IS AGAIN:
Your further insults are irrelevant. You claimed that
I TOLD YOU that I decided to become a pastor and so one
day I started calling myself one. Quote me saying
that, or have the integrity to retract your claim and
apologize.
You said that you had a "calling" to become a "pastor", so started
calling yourself a pastor.
Once again, YOU LIE. Quote me saying that, or have the
integrity to retract your claim and apologize.
I'm still waiting...
You call yourself Paster Dave; give evidence to prove that you earned
that title.
I see, so an accusation is made against me and when
proof is demanded, your idea of proof is to demand that
I prove my title. Gotcha.
My Dishonesty meter: Real Pastor [.............+.] Fake Pastor
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
15 Nov 2004 06:49:52 AM |
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:01:08 +1100, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
pontificated:
On 2004-11-15 00:32:01 +1100, Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> said:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:45:00 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> yodeled:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:39:58 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:10:07 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:22:56 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:44:26 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:24:59 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
You became a "pastor" because you wanted to parade the title around
and show off how SMART you are.
According to YOU, all it takes to become a pastor is to decide to
start calling yourself one. Of course, you say you had 'a calling',
but that's just a code word for "I decided to become a pastor one
day".
By YOUR criteria, I could start calling myself a pastor today because
my inner voice told me to.
I see that to you, insults are a way of life. Typical
for your kind. When you cannot refute the points made,
attack the person and make all of the accusations you
want against them, but don't worry about proving any of
them.
Where did I insult you? I said you decided to become a pastor so one
day you started calling yourself one. That IS what you've told us.
No, that is NOT what I told you. You are lying again.
I noticed you SNIPPED much of the post I wrote for you... HERE IT IS
AGAIN:
Your further insults are irrelevant. You claimed that
I TOLD YOU that I decided to become a pastor and so one
day I started calling myself one. Quote me saying
that, or have the integrity to retract your claim and
apologize.
You said that you had a "calling" to become a "pastor", so started
calling yourself a pastor.
Once again, YOU LIE. Quote me saying that, or have the
integrity to retract your claim and apologize.
I'm still waiting...
You call yourself Paster Dave; give evidence to prove that you earned
that title.
I see, so an accusation is made against me and when
proof is demanded, your idea of proof is to demand that
I prove my title. Gotcha.
Dishonesty meter: [......___..]
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Matty" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
15 Nov 2004 07:58:50 AM |
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On 2004-11-15 23:49:52 +1100, Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> said:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:01:08 +1100, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
pontificated:
On 2004-11-15 00:32:01 +1100, Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> said:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:45:00 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> yodeled:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:39:58 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:10:07 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:22:56 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:44:26 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:24:59 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
You became a "pastor" because you wanted to parade the title around
and show off how SMART you are.
According to YOU, all it takes to become a pastor is to decide to
start calling yourself one. Of course, you say you had 'a calling',
but that's just a code word for "I decided to become a pastor one
day".
By YOUR criteria, I could start calling myself a pastor today because
my inner voice told me to.
I see that to you, insults are a way of life. Typical
for your kind. When you cannot refute the points made,
attack the person and make all of the accusations you
want against them, but don't worry about proving any of
them.
Where did I insult you? I said you decided to become a pastor so one
day you started calling yourself one. That IS what you've told us.
No, that is NOT what I told you. You are lying again.
I noticed you SNIPPED much of the post I wrote for you... HERE IT IS
AGAIN:
Your further insults are irrelevant. You claimed that
I TOLD YOU that I decided to become a pastor and so one
day I started calling myself one. Quote me saying
that, or have the integrity to retract your claim and
apologize.
You said that you had a "calling" to become a "pastor", so started
calling yourself a pastor.
Once again, YOU LIE. Quote me saying that, or have the
integrity to retract your claim and apologize.
I'm still waiting...
You call yourself Paster Dave; give evidence to prove that you earned
that title.
I see, so an accusation is made against me and when
proof is demanded, your idea of proof is to demand that
I prove my title. Gotcha.
Dishonesty meter: [......___..]
No accusation has been made. I'm asking for you to verify your
crudentials as to justify the title you've given yourself of Pastor.
Matty
--
"If a nation could not prosper without the enjoyment of perfect liberty
and perfect justice, there is not in the world a nation which could
ever have prospered." - The Wealth of Nations, Book IV, Chapter IX
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this
world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or
all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of
government except all those other forms that have been tried from time
to time." - Sir Winston Churchill, Hansard, November 11, 1947
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
15 Nov 2004 02:07:33 PM |
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:58:50 +1100, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
pontificated:
On 2004-11-15 23:49:52 +1100, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> said:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:01:08 +1100, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
pontificated:
On 2004-11-15 00:32:01 +1100, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> said:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:45:00 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> yodeled:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:39:58 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:10:07 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:22:56 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:44:26 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:24:59 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
You became a "pastor" because you wanted to parade the
title around and show off how SMART you are.
According to YOU, all it takes to become a pastor is to
decide to start calling yourself one. Of course, you say
you had 'a calling', but that's just a code word for "I
decided to become a pastor one day".
By YOUR criteria, I could start calling myself a pastor
today because my inner voice told me to.
I see that to you, insults are a way of life. Typical
for your kind. When you cannot refute the points made,
attack the person and make all of the accusations you
want against them, but don't worry about proving any of
them.
Where did I insult you? I said you decided to become a
pastor so one day you started calling yourself one. That IS
what you've told us.
No, that is NOT what I told you. You are lying again.
I noticed you SNIPPED much of the post I wrote for you... HERE
IT IS AGAIN:
Your further insults are irrelevant. You claimed that
I TOLD YOU that I decided to become a pastor and so one
day I started calling myself one. Quote me saying
that, or have the integrity to retract your claim and
apologize.
You said that you had a "calling" to become a "pastor", so
started calling yourself a pastor.
Once again, YOU LIE. Quote me saying that, or have the
integrity to retract your claim and apologize.
I'm still waiting...
You call yourself Paster Dave; give evidence to prove that you
earned that title.
I see, so an accusation is made against me and when
proof is demanded, your idea of proof is to demand that
I prove my title. Gotcha.
Dishonesty meter: [......___..]
No accusation has been made. I'm asking for you to verify your
crudentials as to justify the title you've given yourself of Pastor.
Yes an accusation was made and your denial of it shows
your dishonesty. And I AM THE PASTOR!
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
15 Nov 2004 01:23:06 PM |
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:58:50 +1100, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
pontificated:
On 2004-11-15 23:49:52 +1100, Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> said:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:01:08 +1100, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
pontificated:
On 2004-11-15 00:32:01 +1100, Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> said:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:45:00 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> yodeled:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:39:58 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:10:07 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:22:56 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:44:26 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:24:59 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
You became a "pastor" because you wanted to parade the title around
and show off how SMART you are.
According to YOU, all it takes to become a pastor is to decide to
start calling yourself one. Of course, you say you had 'a calling',
but that's just a code word for "I decided to become a pastor one
day".
By YOUR criteria, I could start calling myself a pastor today because
my inner voice told me to.
I see that to you, insults are a way of life. Typical
for your kind. When you cannot refute the points made,
attack the person and make all of the accusations you
want against them, but don't worry about proving any of
them.
Where did I insult you? I said you decided to become a pastor so one
day you started calling yourself one. That IS what you've told us.
No, that is NOT what I told you. You are lying again.
I noticed you SNIPPED much of the post I wrote for you... HERE IT IS
AGAIN:
Your further insults are irrelevant. You claimed that
I TOLD YOU that I decided to become a pastor and so one
day I started calling myself one. Quote me saying
that, or have the integrity to retract your claim and
apologize.
You said that you had a "calling" to become a "pastor", so started
calling yourself a pastor.
Once again, YOU LIE. Quote me saying that, or have the
integrity to retract your claim and apologize.
I'm still waiting...
You call yourself Paster Dave; give evidence to prove that you earned
that title.
I see, so an accusation is made against me and when
proof is demanded, your idea of proof is to demand that
I prove my title. Gotcha.
Dishonesty meter: [......___..]
No accusation has been made. I'm asking for you to verify your
crudentials as to justify the title you've given yourself of Pastor.
Yes an accusation was made and your denial of it shows
your dishonesty.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "RainLover" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
15 Nov 2004 02:40:37 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:49:52 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
You said that you had a "calling" to become a "pastor", so started
calling yourself a pastor.
Once again, YOU LIE. Quote me saying that, or have the
integrity to retract your claim and apologize.
I'm still waiting...
You call yourself Paster Dave; give evidence to prove that you earned
that title.
I see, so an accusation is made against me and when
proof is demanded, your idea of proof is to demand that
I prove my title. Gotcha.
If he was a real Pastor, he'd jump at the chance to describe his
Education... as it is, he has none, and has stated as much to people
here.
Now he pretends like I'm 'lying' because I don't have the time to sift
through his 10,000 posts looking for a QUOTE from him.
And he calls ME 'dishonest'.
James, Seattle
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| User: "Mary J" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
16 Nov 2004 02:34:52 PM |
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"RainLover" <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com>
wrote in message
news:4v4ip09fdic8r01e96u0dea9vt1n1jbefr@4ax.com...
| On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:49:52 GMT, Pastor Dave
| <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
|
| >>>>> You said that you had a "calling" to
become a "pastor", so started
| >>>>> calling yourself a pastor.
| >>>>
| >>>> Once again, YOU LIE. Quote me saying that,
or have the
| >>>> integrity to retract your claim and
apologize.
| >>>
| >>> I'm still waiting...
| >>
| >>You call yourself Paster Dave; give evidence
to prove that you earned
| >>that title.
| >
| >I see, so an accusation is made against me and
when
| >proof is demanded, your idea of proof is to
demand that
| >I prove my title. Gotcha.
| >
| If he was a real Pastor, he'd jump at the chance
to describe his
| Education... as it is, he has none, and has
stated as much to people
| here.
|
| Now he pretends like I'm 'lying' because I don't
have the time to sift
| through his 10,000 posts looking for a QUOTE
from him.
|
| And he calls ME 'dishonest'.
|
| James, Seattle
|
Oops. I must have fallen into
alt.proveitpastor.dave.
Cross post maybe?
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| User: "Matty" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
15 Nov 2004 07:56:03 PM |
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On 2004-11-16 07:40:37 +1100, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> said:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:49:52 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
You said that you had a "calling" to become a "pastor", so started
calling yourself a pastor.
Once again, YOU LIE. Quote me saying that, or have the
integrity to retract your claim and apologize.
I'm still waiting...
You call yourself Paster Dave; give evidence to prove that you earned
that title.
I see, so an accusation is made against me and when
proof is demanded, your idea of proof is to demand that
I prove my title. Gotcha.
If he was a real Pastor, he'd jump at the chance to describe his
Education... as it is, he has none, and has stated as much to people
here.
Now he pretends like I'm 'lying' because I don't have the time to sift
through his 10,000 posts looking for a QUOTE from him.
And he calls ME 'dishonest'.
James, Seattle
I wouldn't worry, I've put dave on my ignore list; until he can verify
his crudentials he is committing fraud by using a title has not earned,
just as it would be improper of me to call myself Sir Matty, even
though I haven't been knighted.
Matty
--
"If a nation could not prosper without the enjoyment of perfect liberty
and perfect justice, there is not in the world a nation which could
ever have prospered." - The Wealth of Nations, Book IV, Chapter IX
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this
world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or
all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of
government except all those other forms that have been tried from time
to time." - Sir Winston Churchill, Hansard, November 11, 1947
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
16 Nov 2004 08:53:14 AM |
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:56:03 +1100, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
pontificated:
On 2004-11-16 07:40:37 +1100, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> said:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:49:52 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
You said that you had a "calling" to become a "pastor", so
started
calling yourself a pastor.
Once again, YOU LIE. Quote me saying that, or have the
integrity to retract your claim and apologize.
I'm still waiting...
You call yourself Paster Dave; give evidence to prove that you
earned
that title.
I see, so an accusation is made against me and when
proof is demanded, your idea of proof is to demand that
I prove my title. Gotcha.
If he was a real Pastor, he'd jump at the chance to describe his
Education... as it is, he has none, and has stated as much to people
here.
Now he pretends like I'm 'lying' because I don't have the time to sift
through his 10,000 posts looking for a QUOTE from him.
And he calls ME 'dishonest'.
James, Seattle
I wouldn't worry, I've put dave on my ignore list; until he can verify
his crudentials he is committing fraud by using a title has not earned,
just as it would be improper of me to call myself Sir Matty, even
though I haven't been knighted.
Notice folks, still no proof from either of us.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
16 Nov 2004 07:18:17 AM |
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:56:03 +1100, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
pontificated:
On 2004-11-16 07:40:37 +1100, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> said:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:49:52 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
You said that you had a "calling" to become a "pastor", so started
calling yourself a pastor.
Once again, YOU LIE. Quote me saying that, or have the
integrity to retract your claim and apologize.
I'm still waiting...
You call yourself Paster Dave; give evidence to prove that you earned
that title.
I see, so an accusation is made against me and when
proof is demanded, your idea of proof is to demand that
I prove my title. Gotcha.
If he was a real Pastor, he'd jump at the chance to describe his
Education... as it is, he has none, and has stated as much to people
here.
Now he pretends like I'm 'lying' because I don't have the time to sift
through his 10,000 posts looking for a QUOTE from him.
And he calls ME 'dishonest'.
James, Seattle
I wouldn't worry, I've put dave on my ignore list; until he can verify
his crudentials he is committing fraud by using a title has not earned,
just as it would be improper of me to call myself Sir Matty, even
though I haven't been knighted.
Notice folks, still no proof.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
15 Nov 2004 03:14:28 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:40:37 -0800, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> pontificated:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:49:52 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
You said that you had a "calling" to become a "pastor", so started
calling yourself a pastor.
Once again, YOU LIE. Quote me saying that, or have the
integrity to retract your claim and apologize.
I'm still waiting...
You call yourself Paster Dave; give evidence to prove that you earned
that title.
I see, so an accusation is made against me and when
proof is demanded, your idea of proof is to demand that
I prove my title. Gotcha.
If he was a real Pastor, he'd jump at the chance to describe his
Education... as it is, he has none, and has stated as much to people
here.
Now he pretends like I'm 'lying' because I don't have the time to sift
through his 10,000 posts looking for a QUOTE from him.
And he calls ME 'dishonest'.
If, then. Interesting. So do you admit that you can't
quote me saying what you claim I said?
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
10 Nov 2004 07:40:09 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:24:59 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:25:19 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:48:00 -0800, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> yodeled:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:06:06 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
I like reading them, to see the diatribe you decied to write because
you consider yourself a pastor even though you've had no formal
training or education.
1) That's an accusation, not proof.
2) Formal training does not make one a pastor. But
hey, let's assume you know more about it.
Yes, yes.. we KNOW you have no training as a pastor... it shows... and
many of us know HOW you became a "pastor" (the quotes mean you're a
fake)...
You became a "pastor" because you wanted to parade the title around
and show off how SMART you are.
According to YOU, all it takes to become a pastor is to decide to
start calling yourself one. Of course, you say you had 'a calling',
but that's just a code word for "I decided to become a pastor one
day".
By YOUR criteria, I could start calling myself a pastor today because
my inner voice told me to.
I see that to you, insults are a way of life. Typical
for your kind. When you cannot refute the points made,
attack the person and make all of the accusations you
want against them, but don't worry about proving any of
them.
Where did I insult you? I said you decided to become a pastor so one
day you started calling yourself one. That IS what you've told us.
Yes, that is what I told you.
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Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
03 Nov 2004 10:38:29 AM |
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On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:08:21 -0500, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:
"Some-Writer" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:9gtho017bpobojmflq5r2tkqoq15i0b9m8@4ax.com...
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:58:19 -0500, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:
"Some-Writer" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:18sho0tghvghn05qv74fb2i8nddmhlah7p@4ax.com...
On 3 Nov 2004 06:50:36 -0800, (J Young) wrote:
Eleven states had initiatives on the ballots declaring marriage as
being a union between "a man and a woman". Eleven states approved
these by landslide proportions. Gay marriage is dead in the water, as
it should be.
Not in Massachusetts.
It...
Gay marriage isn't dead in the water -- it still exists in
Massachusetts.
The people of Massachussetts...
I am part of the people, and not one solitary gay marriage that has
occurred in my State has affected my heterosexual marriage.
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| User: "Johnny" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
03 Nov 2004 01:07:37 PM |
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"Some-Writer" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:0b2io0167sdqd1cus90lujh448h3mrh371@4ax.com...
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:08:21 -0500, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:
"Some-Writer" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:9gtho017bpobojmflq5r2tkqoq15i0b9m8@4ax.com...
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:58:19 -0500, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:
"Some-Writer" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:18sho0tghvghn05qv74fb2i8nddmhlah7p@4ax.com...
On 3 Nov 2004 06:50:36 -0800, (J Young) wrote:
Eleven states had initiatives on the ballots declaring marriage as
being a union between "a man and a woman". Eleven states approved
these by landslide proportions. Gay marriage is dead in the water, as
it should be.
Not in Massachusetts.
It...
Gay marriage isn't dead in the water -- it still exists in
Massachusetts.
The people of Massachussetts...
I am part of the people, and not one solitary gay marriage that has
occurred in my State has affected my heterosexual marriage.
When did you vote?
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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| Title: Re: Gay marriage CRUSHED |
03 Nov 2004 02:07:37 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
"Some-Writer" <sappywriter@poetic.com> wrote in message
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