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"IknowHimDoYou" |
| Date: |
22 Nov 2003 10:28:51 AM |
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Genetics & Evolution |
Genetics & Evolution
The evidence against the opinion of evolution is found in the field of
genetics. Darwin and his fellow travelers claimed that fish evolved into
human beings. The question arises: How did fish aquire the genes to
become humans? A creature cannot be anything physically its genes won't
allow(the code is fixed in all creatures as well as plants). A zebra
cannot give birth to a baby kangaroo for it only has zebra genes. A woman
can't een be born blonde without genes for blonde hair, otherwise , she
has to use peroxide bleach.
Darwin thought you could take donkeys and put them in the right
environment, give them enough time and they become giraffes. Any
mutations(which are degrading to the creature' genetic code because of
loss of information) will only produce freaks or monsters of that same
creature usually leading to a dead end.
So now we can state:
Mutations, the supposed building blocks of evolution, are never actually
observed to create higher genetic information.
Therefore, evolution is impossible.
.
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| User: "Zachriel" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
22 Nov 2003 12:39:54 PM |
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"IknowHimDoYou" <IknowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
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Genetics & Evolution
The evidence against the opinion of evolution is found in the field of
genetics.
False.
NATIONAL ACADEMY of SCIENCES: "The evolution of all the organisms that live
on Earth today from ancestors that lived in the past is at the core of
genetics, biochemistry, neurobiology, physiology, ecology, and other
biological disciplines."
http://www.nap.edu/html/creationism/
Darwin and his fellow travelers claimed that fish evolved into
human beings.
Actually that modern fish and humans have a common ancestor.
The question arises: How did fish aquire the genes to
become humans?
All populations evolve due to various factors, including heredity,
variation, mutation, speciation, natural selection, sexual selection, drift,
contingency, etc.
A creature cannot be anything physically its genes won't
allow(the code is fixed in all creatures as well as plants).
Genes are not fixed. This is the observed *fact* of evolution.
A zebra
cannot give birth to a baby kangaroo for it only has zebra genes.
This is not consistent with the Theory of Evolution.
A woman
can't een be born blonde without genes for blonde hair, otherwise , she
has to use peroxide bleach.
Darwin thought you could take donkeys and put them in the right
environment, give them enough time and they become giraffes.
This is false. Darwin never asserted such a thing. IknowHimDoYou, a cite or
a retraction is to be expected here.
However, Darwin did state that donkeys and giraffes have a common ancestor.
Any
mutations(which are degrading to the creature' genetic code because of
loss of information) will only produce freaks or monsters of that same
creature usually leading to a dead end.
So now we can state:
Mutations, the supposed building blocks of evolution, are never actually
observed to create higher genetic information.
Therefore, evolution is impossible.
.
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| User: "R Brown" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
22 Nov 2003 11:44:26 AM |
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"IknowHimDoYou" <IknowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
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Genetics & Evolution
The evidence against the opinion of evolution is found in the field of
genetics. Darwin and his fellow travelers claimed that fish evolved into
human beings. The question arises: How did fish aquire the genes to
become humans? A creature cannot be anything physically its genes won't
allow(the code is fixed in all creatures as well as plants). A zebra
cannot give birth to a baby kangaroo for it only has zebra genes. A woman
can't een be born blonde without genes for blonde hair, otherwise , she
has to use peroxide bleach.
Darwin thought you could take donkeys and put them in the right
environment, give them enough time and they become giraffes. Any
mutations(which are degrading to the creature' genetic code because of
loss of information) will only produce freaks or monsters of that same
creature usually leading to a dead end.
So now we can state:
Mutations, the supposed building blocks of evolution, are never actually
observed to create higher genetic information.
Therefore, evolution is impossible.
Oh crap!! I just spent $150 on a brand new first year Biology text book and
CD at the University of Calgary bookstore to help me teach my high school
biology class and this guy has single-handedly blown the Theory of Evolution
out of the water!!! Those bastards that wrote my book (4 authors with 87
reviewers for the 4th edition) spent 4 chapters devoted to the Theory of
Evolution before moving on to chapters on diverse plants and animals and
their physiology.
What a waste!!!
Should I go try and get my money back?
.
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| User: "JISTASKKIN" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
22 Nov 2003 10:51:09 PM |
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Genetics & Evolution
The evidence against the opinion of evolution is found in the field of
genetics. Darwin and his fellow travelers claimed that fish evolved
into
human beings. The question arises: How did fish aquire the genes to
become humans? A creature cannot be anything physically its genes won't
allow(the code is fixed in all creatures as well as plants). A zebra
cannot give birth to a baby kangaroo for it only has zebra genes. A
woman
can't een be born blonde without genes for blonde hair, otherwise , she
has to use peroxide bleach.
Darwin thought you could take donkeys and put them in the right
environment, give them enough time and they become giraffes. Any
mutations(which are degrading to the creature' genetic code because of
loss of information) will only produce freaks or monsters of that same
creature usually leading to a dead end.
So now we can state:
Mutations, the supposed building blocks of evolution, are never actually
observed to create higher genetic information.
Therefore, evolution is impossible.
Oh crap!! I just spent $150 on a brand new first year Biology text book
and
CD at the University of Calgary bookstore to help me teach my high school
biology class and this guy has single-handedly blown the Theory of
Evolution
out of the water!!! Those bastards that wrote my book (4 authors with 87
reviewers for the 4th edition) spent 4 chapters devoted to the Theory of
Evolution before moving on to chapters on diverse plants and animals and
their physiology.
What a waste!!!
Should I go try and get my money back?
For once we agree. The teaching of evolution is a waste. And I thought you
were terminally stupid. My mistake, there is hope for you yet.
.
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| User: "R Brown" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
23 Nov 2003 01:17:02 AM |
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Genetics & Evolution
The evidence against the opinion of evolution is found in the field of
genetics. Darwin and his fellow travelers claimed that fish evolved
into
human beings. The question arises: How did fish aquire the genes to
become humans? A creature cannot be anything physically its genes
won't
allow(the code is fixed in all creatures as well as plants). A zebra
cannot give birth to a baby kangaroo for it only has zebra genes. A
woman
can't een be born blonde without genes for blonde hair, otherwise ,
she
has to use peroxide bleach.
Darwin thought you could take donkeys and put them in the right
environment, give them enough time and they become giraffes. Any
mutations(which are degrading to the creature' genetic code because of
loss of information) will only produce freaks or monsters of that same
creature usually leading to a dead end.
So now we can state:
Mutations, the supposed building blocks of evolution, are never
actually
observed to create higher genetic information.
Therefore, evolution is impossible.
Oh crap!! I just spent $150 on a brand new first year Biology text book
and
CD at the University of Calgary bookstore to help me teach my high
school
biology class and this guy has single-handedly blown the Theory of
Evolution
out of the water!!! Those bastards that wrote my book (4 authors with 87
reviewers for the 4th edition) spent 4 chapters devoted to the Theory of
Evolution before moving on to chapters on diverse plants and animals and
their physiology.
What a waste!!!
Should I go try and get my money back?
For once we agree. The teaching of evolution is a waste. And I thought
you
were terminally stupid. My mistake, there is hope for you yet.
JIST, can you answer a question for me?
How old is the Earth?
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| User: "JISTASKKIN" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
23 Nov 2003 03:22:43 AM |
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Genetics & Evolution
The evidence against the opinion of evolution is found in the field
of
genetics. Darwin and his fellow travelers claimed that fish evolved
into
human beings. The question arises: How did fish aquire the genes to
become humans? A creature cannot be anything physically its genes
won't
allow(the code is fixed in all creatures as well as plants). A
zebra
cannot give birth to a baby kangaroo for it only has zebra genes. A
woman
can't een be born blonde without genes for blonde hair, otherwise ,
she
has to use peroxide bleach.
Darwin thought you could take donkeys and put them in the right
environment, give them enough time and they become giraffes. Any
mutations(which are degrading to the creature' genetic code because
of
loss of information) will only produce freaks or monsters of that
same
creature usually leading to a dead end.
So now we can state:
Mutations, the supposed building blocks of evolution, are never
actually
observed to create higher genetic information.
Therefore, evolution is impossible.
Oh crap!! I just spent $150 on a brand new first year Biology text
book
and
CD at the University of Calgary bookstore to help me teach my high
school
biology class and this guy has single-handedly blown the Theory of
Evolution
out of the water!!! Those bastards that wrote my book (4 authors with
87
reviewers for the 4th edition) spent 4 chapters devoted to the Theory
of
Evolution before moving on to chapters on diverse plants and animals
and
their physiology.
What a waste!!!
Should I go try and get my money back?
For once we agree. The teaching of evolution is a waste. And I thought
you
were terminally stupid. My mistake, there is hope for you yet.
JIST, can you answer a question for me?
How old is the Earth?
Grasshopper, you seek wisdom, but know this first.
Psalms 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good
understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth
for ever.
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| User: "R Brown" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
23 Nov 2003 12:02:07 PM |
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Genetics & Evolution
The evidence against the opinion of evolution is found in the
field
of
genetics. Darwin and his fellow travelers claimed that fish
evolved
into
human beings. The question arises: How did fish aquire the genes
to
become humans? A creature cannot be anything physically its genes
won't
allow(the code is fixed in all creatures as well as plants). A
zebra
cannot give birth to a baby kangaroo for it only has zebra genes.
A
woman
can't een be born blonde without genes for blonde hair, otherwise
,
she
has to use peroxide bleach.
Darwin thought you could take donkeys and put them in the right
environment, give them enough time and they become giraffes. Any
mutations(which are degrading to the creature' genetic code
because
of
loss of information) will only produce freaks or monsters of that
same
creature usually leading to a dead end.
So now we can state:
Mutations, the supposed building blocks of evolution, are never
actually
observed to create higher genetic information.
Therefore, evolution is impossible.
Oh crap!! I just spent $150 on a brand new first year Biology text
book
and
CD at the University of Calgary bookstore to help me teach my high
school
biology class and this guy has single-handedly blown the Theory of
Evolution
out of the water!!! Those bastards that wrote my book (4 authors
with
87
reviewers for the 4th edition) spent 4 chapters devoted to the
Theory
of
Evolution before moving on to chapters on diverse plants and animals
and
their physiology.
What a waste!!!
Should I go try and get my money back?
For once we agree. The teaching of evolution is a waste. And I
thought
you
were terminally stupid. My mistake, there is hope for you yet.
JIST, can you answer a question for me?
How old is the Earth?
Grasshopper, you seek wisdom, but know this first.
Psalms 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good
understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth
for ever.
JIST, can you just give me a straight-forward answer to straight-forward
question. I want to hear from you on this. I know you use a pseudonym, but
there's still a real person on that keyboard.
How old is the Earth?
.
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| User: "Bill Litchfield" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
23 Nov 2003 12:13:55 PM |
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Genetics & Evolution
The evidence against the opinion of evolution is found in the
field
of
genetics. Darwin and his fellow travelers claimed that fish
evolved
into
human beings. The question arises: How did fish aquire the
genes
to
become humans? A creature cannot be anything physically its
genes
won't
allow(the code is fixed in all creatures as well as plants). A
zebra
cannot give birth to a baby kangaroo for it only has zebra
genes.
A
woman
can't een be born blonde without genes for blonde hair,
otherwise
,
she
has to use peroxide bleach.
Darwin thought you could take donkeys and put them in the right
environment, give them enough time and they become giraffes.
Any
mutations(which are degrading to the creature' genetic code
because
of
loss of information) will only produce freaks or monsters of
that
same
creature usually leading to a dead end.
So now we can state:
Mutations, the supposed building blocks of evolution, are never
actually
observed to create higher genetic information.
Therefore, evolution is impossible.
Oh crap!! I just spent $150 on a brand new first year Biology text
book
and
CD at the University of Calgary bookstore to help me teach my high
school
biology class and this guy has single-handedly blown the Theory of
Evolution
out of the water!!! Those bastards that wrote my book (4 authors
with
87
reviewers for the 4th edition) spent 4 chapters devoted to the
Theory
of
Evolution before moving on to chapters on diverse plants and
animals
and
their physiology.
What a waste!!!
Should I go try and get my money back?
For once we agree. The teaching of evolution is a waste. And I
thought
you
were terminally stupid. My mistake, there is hope for you yet.
JIST, can you answer a question for me?
How old is the Earth?
Grasshopper, you seek wisdom, but know this first.
Psalms 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good
understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise
endureth
for ever.
JIST, can you just give me a straight-forward answer to straight-forward
question. I want to hear from you on this. I know you use a pseudonym, but
there's still a real person on that keyboard.
How old is the Earth?
Go get em, R.Brown! I'm awfully curious as to how he would answer that
question, myself. Betcha he won't give you a straight answer!
Shalom,
Bill
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| User: "JISTASKKIN" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
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Genetics & Evolution
The evidence against the opinion of evolution is found in the
field
of
genetics. Darwin and his fellow travelers claimed that fish
evolved
into
human beings. The question arises: How did fish aquire the
genes
to
become humans? A creature cannot be anything physically its
genes
won't
allow(the code is fixed in all creatures as well as plants). A
zebra
cannot give birth to a baby kangaroo for it only has zebra
genes.
A
woman
can't een be born blonde without genes for blonde hair,
otherwise
,
she
has to use peroxide bleach.
Darwin thought you could take donkeys and put them in the right
environment, give them enough time and they become giraffes.
Any
mutations(which are degrading to the creature' genetic code
because
of
loss of information) will only produce freaks or monsters of
that
same
creature usually leading to a dead end.
So now we can state:
Mutations, the supposed building blocks of evolution, are never
actually
observed to create higher genetic information.
Therefore, evolution is impossible.
Oh crap!! I just spent $150 on a brand new first year Biology text
book
and
CD at the University of Calgary bookstore to help me teach my high
school
biology class and this guy has single-handedly blown the Theory of
Evolution
out of the water!!! Those bastards that wrote my book (4 authors
with
87
reviewers for the 4th edition) spent 4 chapters devoted to the
Theory
of
Evolution before moving on to chapters on diverse plants and
animals
and
their physiology.
What a waste!!!
Should I go try and get my money back?
For once we agree. The teaching of evolution is a waste. And I
thought
you
were terminally stupid. My mistake, there is hope for you yet.
JIST, can you answer a question for me?
How old is the Earth?
Grasshopper, you seek wisdom, but know this first.
Psalms 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good
understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise
endureth
for ever.
JIST, can you just give me a straight-forward answer to straight-forward
question. I want to hear from you on this. I know you use a pseudonym, but
there's still a real person on that keyboard.
How old is the Earth?
I don't know.
.
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| User: "R Brown" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
23 Nov 2003 12:26:30 PM |
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Genetics & Evolution
The evidence against the opinion of evolution is found in the
field
of
genetics. Darwin and his fellow travelers claimed that fish
evolved
into
human beings. The question arises: How did fish aquire the
genes
to
become humans? A creature cannot be anything physically its
genes
won't
allow(the code is fixed in all creatures as well as plants).
A
zebra
cannot give birth to a baby kangaroo for it only has zebra
genes.
A
woman
can't een be born blonde without genes for blonde hair,
otherwise
,
she
has to use peroxide bleach.
Darwin thought you could take donkeys and put them in the
right
environment, give them enough time and they become giraffes.
Any
mutations(which are degrading to the creature' genetic code
because
of
loss of information) will only produce freaks or monsters of
that
same
creature usually leading to a dead end.
So now we can state:
Mutations, the supposed building blocks of evolution, are
never
actually
observed to create higher genetic information.
Therefore, evolution is impossible.
Oh crap!! I just spent $150 on a brand new first year Biology
text
book
and
CD at the University of Calgary bookstore to help me teach my
high
school
biology class and this guy has single-handedly blown the Theory
of
Evolution
out of the water!!! Those bastards that wrote my book (4 authors
with
87
reviewers for the 4th edition) spent 4 chapters devoted to the
Theory
of
Evolution before moving on to chapters on diverse plants and
animals
and
their physiology.
What a waste!!!
Should I go try and get my money back?
For once we agree. The teaching of evolution is a waste. And I
thought
you
were terminally stupid. My mistake, there is hope for you yet.
JIST, can you answer a question for me?
How old is the Earth?
Grasshopper, you seek wisdom, but know this first.
Psalms 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good
understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise
endureth
for ever.
JIST, can you just give me a straight-forward answer to straight-forward
question. I want to hear from you on this. I know you use a pseudonym,
but
there's still a real person on that keyboard.
How old is the Earth?
I don't know.
Okay, okay .... I don't mean to be overly picky or precise, please excuse
me. Would you say:
A) the earth is younger than 1 million years
B) the earth is older than 1 million years
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
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Genetics & Evolution
The evidence against the opinion of evolution is found in
the
field
of
genetics. Darwin and his fellow travelers claimed that fish
evolved
into
human beings. The question arises: How did fish aquire the
genes
to
become humans? A creature cannot be anything physically its
genes
won't
allow(the code is fixed in all creatures as well as plants).
A
zebra
cannot give birth to a baby kangaroo for it only has zebra
genes.
A
woman
can't een be born blonde without genes for blonde hair,
otherwise
,
she
has to use peroxide bleach.
Darwin thought you could take donkeys and put them in the
right
environment, give them enough time and they become giraffes.
Any
mutations(which are degrading to the creature' genetic code
because
of
loss of information) will only produce freaks or monsters of
that
same
creature usually leading to a dead end.
So now we can state:
Mutations, the supposed building blocks of evolution, are
never
actually
observed to create higher genetic information.
Therefore, evolution is impossible.
Oh crap!! I just spent $150 on a brand new first year Biology
text
book
and
CD at the University of Calgary bookstore to help me teach my
high
school
biology class and this guy has single-handedly blown the
Theory
of
Evolution
out of the water!!! Those bastards that wrote my book (4
authors
with
87
reviewers for the 4th edition) spent 4 chapters devoted to the
Theory
of
Evolution before moving on to chapters on diverse plants and
animals
and
their physiology.
What a waste!!!
Should I go try and get my money back?
For once we agree. The teaching of evolution is a waste. And I
thought
you
were terminally stupid. My mistake, there is hope for you yet.
JIST, can you answer a question for me?
How old is the Earth?
Grasshopper, you seek wisdom, but know this first.
Psalms 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a
good
understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise
endureth
for ever.
JIST, can you just give me a straight-forward answer to
straight-forward
question. I want to hear from you on this. I know you use a pseudonym,
but
there's still a real person on that keyboard.
How old is the Earth?
I don't know.
Okay, okay .... I don't mean to be overly picky or precise, please excuse
me. Would you say:
A) the earth is younger than 1 million years
B) the earth is older than 1 million years
I believe the Biblical historical account of how long the earth has been
here.
Which is about 10,000 yrs.
.
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| User: "R Brown" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
23 Nov 2003 03:20:48 PM |
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<pardon my snippage, just though things were getting a tad long here>
Therefore, evolution is impossible.
Oh crap!! I just spent $150 on a brand new first year
Biology
text
book
and
CD at the University of Calgary bookstore to help me teach
my
high
school
biology class and this guy has single-handedly blown the
Theory
of
Evolution
out of the water!!! Those bastards that wrote my book (4
authors
with
87
reviewers for the 4th edition) spent 4 chapters devoted to
the
Theory
of
Evolution before moving on to chapters on diverse plants and
animals
and
their physiology.
What a waste!!!
Should I go try and get my money back?
For once we agree. The teaching of evolution is a waste. And
I
thought
you
were terminally stupid. My mistake, there is hope for you
yet.
JIST, can you answer a question for me?
How old is the Earth?
Grasshopper, you seek wisdom, but know this first.
Psalms 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a
good
understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise
endureth
for ever.
JIST, can you just give me a straight-forward answer to
straight-forward
question. I want to hear from you on this. I know you use a
pseudonym,
but
there's still a real person on that keyboard.
How old is the Earth?
I don't know.
Okay, okay .... I don't mean to be overly picky or precise, please
excuse
me. Would you say:
A) the earth is younger than 1 million years
B) the earth is older than 1 million years
I believe the Biblical historical account of how long the earth has been
here.
Which is about 10,000 yrs.
Outside of your religious beliefs, what scientific evidence convinces you
most, beyond any serious scientific doubt, that the earth is about 10,000
years old?
By the way, did you get to that outdoor old timer's game in Edmonton? My
sister-in-law and some visiting exchange teachers from Australia did - had a
great time but darn near froze!
.
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| User: "JISTASKKIN" |
|
| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
25 Nov 2003 08:47:25 PM |
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|
"R Brown" <brown@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Qw9wb.481487$9l5.137570@pd7tw2no...
<pardon my snippage, just though things were getting a tad long here>
Therefore, evolution is impossible.
Oh crap!! I just spent $150 on a brand new first year
Biology
text
book
and
CD at the University of Calgary bookstore to help me teach
my
high
school
biology class and this guy has single-handedly blown the
Theory
of
Evolution
out of the water!!! Those bastards that wrote my book (4
authors
with
87
reviewers for the 4th edition) spent 4 chapters devoted to
the
Theory
of
Evolution before moving on to chapters on diverse plants
and
animals
and
their physiology.
What a waste!!!
Should I go try and get my money back?
For once we agree. The teaching of evolution is a waste.
And
I
thought
you
were terminally stupid. My mistake, there is hope for you
yet.
JIST, can you answer a question for me?
How old is the Earth?
Grasshopper, you seek wisdom, but know this first.
Psalms 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom:
a
good
understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise
endureth
for ever.
JIST, can you just give me a straight-forward answer to
straight-forward
question. I want to hear from you on this. I know you use a
pseudonym,
but
there's still a real person on that keyboard.
How old is the Earth?
I don't know.
Okay, okay .... I don't mean to be overly picky or precise, please
excuse
me. Would you say:
A) the earth is younger than 1 million years
B) the earth is older than 1 million years
I believe the Biblical historical account of how long the earth has been
here.
Which is about 10,000 yrs.
Outside of your religious beliefs, what scientific evidence convinces you
most, beyond any serious scientific doubt, that the earth is about 10,000
years old?
The scientific data is what convinced me. When you look at it without
assuming a uniformitarianism worldview, the data fits much better with the
Biblical account.
By the way, did you get to that outdoor old timer's game in Edmonton?
Are you crazy? Comfy warm couches, lots of friends and cool drinks are what
attract me.
My
sister-in-law and some visiting exchange teachers from Australia did - had
a
great time but darn near froze!
Ya, actually if I were a few years younger, I might have been talked into
going.
Some of my nuttier buds did, said they had a hoot.
.
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| User: "R Brown" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
25 Nov 2003 11:53:22 PM |
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"JISTASKKIN" <try_not@here.com> wrote in message
news:1vUwb.23196$oN2.9869@edtnps84...
"R Brown" <brown@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Qw9wb.481487$9l5.137570@pd7tw2no...
<pardon my snippage, just though things were getting a tad long here>
Therefore, evolution is impossible.
Oh crap!! I just spent $150 on a brand new first year
Biology
text
book
and
CD at the University of Calgary bookstore to help me
teach
my
high
school
biology class and this guy has single-handedly blown the
Theory
of
Evolution
out of the water!!! Those bastards that wrote my book (4
authors
with
87
reviewers for the 4th edition) spent 4 chapters devoted
to
the
Theory
of
Evolution before moving on to chapters on diverse plants
and
animals
and
their physiology.
What a waste!!!
Should I go try and get my money back?
For once we agree. The teaching of evolution is a waste.
And
I
thought
you
were terminally stupid. My mistake, there is hope for you
yet.
JIST, can you answer a question for me?
How old is the Earth?
Grasshopper, you seek wisdom, but know this first.
Psalms 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of
wisdom:
a
good
understanding have all they that do his commandments: his
praise
endureth
for ever.
JIST, can you just give me a straight-forward answer to
straight-forward
question. I want to hear from you on this. I know you use a
pseudonym,
but
there's still a real person on that keyboard.
How old is the Earth?
I don't know.
Okay, okay .... I don't mean to be overly picky or precise, please
excuse
me. Would you say:
A) the earth is younger than 1 million years
B) the earth is older than 1 million years
I believe the Biblical historical account of how long the earth has
been
here.
Which is about 10,000 yrs.
Outside of your religious beliefs, what scientific evidence convinces
you
most, beyond any serious scientific doubt, that the earth is about
10,000
years old?
The scientific data is what convinced me. When you look at it without
assuming a uniformitarianism worldview, the data fits much better with the
Biblical account.
I'm getting the feeling that you have access to some scientific data that
I'm not aware of. What data is there that supports a 10,000 year old earth?
If I recall, I think it was Charles Lyell that put forth the concept of
uniformitarianism: that geologic processes are occurring today just as they
have always done. Are you saying that this is not the case?
By the way, did you get to that outdoor old timer's game in Edmonton?
Are you crazy? Comfy warm couches, lots of friends and cool drinks are
what
attract me.
My
sister-in-law and some visiting exchange teachers from Australia did -
had
a
great time but darn near froze!
Ya, actually if I were a few years younger, I might have been talked into
going.
Some of my nuttier buds did, said they had a hoot.
I got selected to mark the grade 12 Diploma Exam in Science 30 in January!
It's a great way to learn more as a teacher, but I usually end up with a
headache by the end of the day.
.
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| User: "JISTASKKIN" |
|
| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
26 Nov 2003 10:19:55 AM |
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"R Brown" <brown@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mdXwb.497585$pl3.34929@pd7tw3no...
"JISTASKKIN" <try_not@here.com> wrote in message
news:1vUwb.23196$oN2.9869@edtnps84...
"R Brown" <brown@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Qw9wb.481487$9l5.137570@pd7tw2no...
<pardon my snippage, just though things were getting a tad long here>
Therefore, evolution is impossible.
Oh crap!! I just spent $150 on a brand new first year
Biology
text
book
and
CD at the University of Calgary bookstore to help me
teach
my
high
school
biology class and this guy has single-handedly blown
the
Theory
of
Evolution
out of the water!!! Those bastards that wrote my book
(4
authors
with
87
reviewers for the 4th edition) spent 4 chapters
devoted
to
the
Theory
of
Evolution before moving on to chapters on diverse
plants
and
animals
and
their physiology.
What a waste!!!
Should I go try and get my money back?
For once we agree. The teaching of evolution is a waste.
And
I
thought
you
were terminally stupid. My mistake, there is hope for
you
yet.
JIST, can you answer a question for me?
How old is the Earth?
Grasshopper, you seek wisdom, but know this first.
Psalms 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of
wisdom:
a
good
understanding have all they that do his commandments: his
praise
endureth
for ever.
JIST, can you just give me a straight-forward answer to
straight-forward
question. I want to hear from you on this. I know you use a
pseudonym,
but
there's still a real person on that keyboard.
How old is the Earth?
I don't know.
Okay, okay .... I don't mean to be overly picky or precise, please
excuse
me. Would you say:
A) the earth is younger than 1 million years
B) the earth is older than 1 million years
I believe the Biblical historical account of how long the earth has
been
here.
Which is about 10,000 yrs.
Outside of your religious beliefs, what scientific evidence convinces
you
most, beyond any serious scientific doubt, that the earth is about
10,000
years old?
The scientific data is what convinced me. When you look at it without
assuming a uniformitarianism worldview, the data fits much better with
the
Biblical account.
I'm getting the feeling that you have access to some scientific data that
I'm not aware of.
Not at all. I would be looking at the exact same data. The only difference
is I don't assume an evolutionistic position before I examining the
evidence.
What data is there that supports a 10,000 year old earth?
The same rocks and fossils you use. I simply reject the evolutionistic
interpretation.
If I recall, I think it was Charles Lyell that put forth the concept of
uniformitarianism: that geologic processes are occurring today just as
they
have always done. Are you saying that this is not the case?
It may or may not. I am saying you assume this before even looking at the
evidence.
By the way, did you get to that outdoor old timer's game in Edmonton?
Are you crazy? Comfy warm couches, lots of friends and cool drinks are
what
attract me.
My
sister-in-law and some visiting exchange teachers from Australia did -
had
a
great time but darn near froze!
Ya, actually if I were a few years younger, I might have been talked
into
going.
Some of my nuttier buds did, said they had a hoot.
I got selected to mark the grade 12 Diploma Exam in Science 30 in January!
It's a great way to learn more as a teacher, but I usually end up with a
headache by the end of the day.
Sounds like a lot of work. Don't you get TA's to do the monotonous stuff?
.
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
26 Nov 2003 11:48:45 AM |
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|
<snip>
Outside of your religious beliefs, what scientific evidence
convinces
you
most, beyond any serious scientific doubt, that the earth is about
10,000
years old?
The scientific data is what convinced me. When you look at it without
assuming a uniformitarianism worldview, the data fits much better with
the
Biblical account.
I'm getting the feeling that you have access to some scientific data
that
I'm not aware of.
Jistanass: Not at all. I would be looking at the exact same data. The
only >difference
is I don't assume an evolutionistic position before I examining the
evidence.
Tom: Well, Jist, why don't you give us a few examples.
What data is there that supports a 10,000 year old earth?
Jistanass: The same rocks and fossils you use. I simply reject the
evolutionistic
interpretation.
Tom: :-). Wow. Okay Jist, please tell us you date a rock.
If I recall, I think it was Charles Lyell that put forth the concept of
uniformitarianism: that geologic processes are occurring today just as
they
have always done. Are you saying that this is not the case?
Jistanass: It may or may not. I am saying you assume this before even
looking at >the evidence.
Tom: Of, and this is what Lyell also did? That is how he came to his
conclusion?
<snip>
.
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| User: "JISTASKKIN" |
|
| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
26 Nov 2003 12:09:16 PM |
|
|
"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vs9ps1fbclska3@corp.supernews.com...
<snip>
Outside of your religious beliefs, what scientific evidence
convinces
you
most, beyond any serious scientific doubt, that the earth is about
10,000
years old?
The scientific data is what convinced me. When you look at it
without
assuming a uniformitarianism worldview, the data fits much better
with
the
Biblical account.
I'm getting the feeling that you have access to some scientific data
that
I'm not aware of.
Jistanass: Not at all. I would be looking at the exact same data. The
only >difference
is I don't assume an evolutionistic position before I examining the
evidence.
Tom: Well, Jist, why don't you give us a few examples.
What data is there that supports a 10,000 year old earth?
Jistanass: The same rocks and fossils you use. I simply reject the
evolutionistic
interpretation.
Tom: :-). Wow. Okay Jist, please tell us you date a rock.
If I recall, I think it was Charles Lyell that put forth the concept
of
uniformitarianism: that geologic processes are occurring today just as
they
have always done. Are you saying that this is not the case?
Jistanass: It may or may not. I am saying you assume this before even
looking at >the evidence.
Tom: Of, and this is what Lyell also did? That is how he came to his
conclusion?
Recently, you mentioned you attend a Church. Which one? And do you attend
regularly?
<snip>
.
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
26 Nov 2003 12:47:18 PM |
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"JISTASKKIN" <try_not@here.com> wrote in message
news:g%5xb.28858$oN2.8800@edtnps84...
"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vs9ps1fbclska3@corp.supernews.com...
<snip>
Outside of your religious beliefs, what scientific evidence
convinces
you
most, beyond any serious scientific doubt, that the earth is
about
10,000
years old?
The scientific data is what convinced me. When you look at it
without
assuming a uniformitarianism worldview, the data fits much better
with
the
Biblical account.
I'm getting the feeling that you have access to some scientific data
that
I'm not aware of.
Jistanass: Not at all. I would be looking at the exact same data. The
only >difference
is I don't assume an evolutionistic position before I examining the
evidence.
Tom: Well, Jist, why don't you give us a few examples.
What data is there that supports a 10,000 year old earth?
Jistanass: The same rocks and fossils you use. I simply reject the
evolutionistic
interpretation.
Tom: :-). Wow. Okay Jist, please tell us you date a rock.
If I recall, I think it was Charles Lyell that put forth the concept
of
uniformitarianism: that geologic processes are occurring today just
as
they
have always done. Are you saying that this is not the case?
Jistanass: It may or may not. I am saying you assume this before even
looking at >the evidence.
Tom: Of, and this is what Lyell also did? That is how he came to his
conclusion?
Recently, you mentioned you attend a Church. Which one? And do you
attend
regularly?
Tom: Are you going to answer the questions or not?
.
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| User: "JISTASKKIN" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
26 Nov 2003 01:28:28 PM |
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"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vs9t9qkph3v43f@corp.supernews.com...
"JISTASKKIN" <try_not@here.com> wrote in message
news:g%5xb.28858$oN2.8800@edtnps84...
Tom: Are you going to answer the questions or not?
Mine first.
.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
26 Nov 2003 01:45:11 PM |
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In alt.talk.creationism, "JISTASKKIN" <try_not@here.com> wrote in
<w97xb.29009$oN2.25021@edtnps84>:
"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vs9t9qkph3v43f@corp.supernews.com...
"JISTASKKIN" <try_not@here.com> wrote in message
news:g%5xb.28858$oN2.8800@edtnps84...
Tom: Are you going to answer the questions or not?
Mine first.
Why? You never answer questions. If you want to have a discussion, you
really should answer questions as well as ask them and please stop
making unsupported assertions.
.
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| User: "Tom McDonald" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
28 Nov 2003 01:51:48 AM |
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JISTASKKIN wrote:
<snip>
Recently, you mentioned you attend a Church. Which one? And do you attend
regularly?
Jist,
Do you attend a church? If so, which one (denomination and
local church)? And if you attend, how often do you attend?
Tom McDonald
--
remove 'nohormel' to reply
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| User: "JISTASKKIN" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
29 Nov 2003 08:34:08 AM |
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"Tom McDonald" <tmcdonald2672@nohormelCharter.net> wrote in message
news:vsdvnk9n1pbfb2@corp.supernews.com...
JISTASKKIN wrote:
<snip>
Recently, you mentioned you attend a Church. Which one? And do you
attend
regularly?
Jist,
Do you attend a church?
Yes.
If so, which one (denomination and
local church)?
It's a mix of Brethren and Baptist. Local to me, yes.
And if you attend, how often do you attend?
I attend as often as possible. At least once a week. I am quite involved
with other ministries as well. Creation evangelism to name but one.
Tom McDonald
--
remove 'nohormel' to reply
.
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| User: "Tom McDonald" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
29 Nov 2003 12:41:53 PM |
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|
JISTASKKIN wrote:
"Tom McDonald" <tmcdonald2672@nohormelCharter.net> wrote in message
news:vsdvnk9n1pbfb2@corp.supernews.com...
JISTASKKIN wrote:
<snip>
Recently, you mentioned you attend a Church. Which one? And do you
attend
regularly?
Jist,
Do you attend a church?
Yes.
If so, which one (denomination and
local church)?
It's a mix of Brethren and Baptist. Local to me, yes.
And if you attend, how often do you attend?
I attend as often as possible. At least once a week. I am quite involved
with other ministries as well. Creation evangelism to name but one.
Jist,
This is interesting to me.
Do you consider your presence here to be part of your
creation evangelism ministry?
If so, is your behavior to others who disagree with you on
non-essentials of salvation sanctioned by your church, either
at the denominational level or at the level of the elders (or
whatever the leaders of your local church are called)? I
refer here specifically to the aspersions you cast on peoples'
characters, not to your approach to the debate on the issues.
Finally, I'm not familiar with the term "creation
evangelism". Does that mean the spreading of the truth of
creationism? Or does it refer to the use of creationist ideas
to help spread the Gospel?
Tom McDonald
--
remove 'nohormel' to reply
.
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| User: "JISTASKKIN" |
|
| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
29 Nov 2003 03:17:45 PM |
|
|
"Tom McDonald" <tmcdonald2672@nohormelCharter.net> wrote in message
news:vshq6imv9qr97a@corp.supernews.com...
JISTASKKIN wrote:
"Tom McDonald" <tmcdonald2672@nohormelCharter.net> wrote in message
news:vsdvnk9n1pbfb2@corp.supernews.com...
JISTASKKIN wrote:
<snip>
Recently, you mentioned you attend a Church. Which one? And do you
attend
regularly?
Jist,
Do you attend a church?
Yes.
If so, which one (denomination and
local church)?
It's a mix of Brethren and Baptist. Local to me, yes.
And if you attend, how often do you attend?
I attend as often as possible. At least once a week. I am quite
involved
with other ministries as well. Creation evangelism to name but one.
Jist,
This is interesting to me.
Do you consider your presence here to be part of your
creation evangelism ministry?
Not in a serious way, no.
If so, is your behavior to others who disagree with you on
non-essentials of salvation sanctioned by your church, either
at the denominational level or at the level of the elders (or
whatever the leaders of your local church are called)? I
refer here specifically to the aspersions you cast on peoples'
characters, not to your approach to the debate on the issues.
Probably not no.
Finally, I'm not familiar with the term "creation
evangelism". Does that mean the spreading of the truth of
creationism? Or does it refer to the use of creationist ideas
to help spread the Gospel?
Both.
Tom McDonald
--
remove 'nohormel' to reply
.
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| User: "Raymond E. Griffith" |
|
| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
29 Nov 2003 10:01:26 PM |
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|
in article Z18yb.76549$oN2.76279@edtnps84, JISTASKKIN at
wrote on 11/29/03 4:17 PM:
"Tom McDonald" <tmcdonald2672@nohormelCharter.net> wrote in message
news:vshq6imv9qr97a@corp.supernews.com...
JISTASKKIN wrote:
"Tom McDonald" <tmcdonald2672@nohormelCharter.net> wrote in message
news:vsdvnk9n1pbfb2@corp.supernews.com...
JISTASKKIN wrote:
<snip>
Recently, you mentioned you attend a Church. Which one? And do you
attend
regularly?
Jist,
Do you attend a church?
Yes.
If so, which one (denomination and
local church)?
It's a mix of Brethren and Baptist. Local to me, yes.
And if you attend, how often do you attend?
I attend as often as possible. At least once a week. I am quite
involved
with other ministries as well. Creation evangelism to name but one.
Jist,
This is interesting to me.
Do you consider your presence here to be part of your
creation evangelism ministry?
Not in a serious way, no.
However, since you mentioned this, I have done some research on Creation
evangelism, and I think I understand a bit more of the whys and hows of the
positions you have been taking.
However, I must disagree with Creation evangelism's fundamental position
that the whole of the gospel rests upon the foundation of a literal Genesis.
I used to think a lot this way, but having met real Christians who did not
take that position made me ask some questions.
The fact that I need a Savior is quite adequately addressed in Romans 5.
Adam sinned and introduced sin. But I am not judged for what he did. Death
has fallen upon all men because all have sinned. Since I am a sinner
personally, I personally need a Savior.
Science in none of its arenas tells me that there is no God. And if it did,
science is mutable -- it acknowledges that it does not and will not have all
the truth. There are many areas of life that science cannot deal with.
I have known several scientists who take this position, and they are active
Christians.
Regards,
Raymond E. Griffith
If so, is your behavior to others who disagree with you on
non-essentials of salvation sanctioned by your church, either
at the denominational level or at the level of the elders (or
whatever the leaders of your local church are called)? I
refer here specifically to the aspersions you cast on peoples'
characters, not to your approach to the debate on the issues.
Probably not no.
Finally, I'm not familiar with the term "creation
evangelism". Does that mean the spreading of the truth of
creationism? Or does it refer to the use of creationist ideas
to help spread the Gospel?
Both.
Tom McDonald
--
remove 'nohormel' to reply
.
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| User: "Michael" |
|
| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
11 Dec 2003 09:25:15 PM |
|
|
In article <BBEED5C6.435F9D%tiffirgrReverse@ctc.net>, "Raymond E.
Griffith" <tiffirgrReverse@ctc.net> wrote:
in article Z18yb.76549$oN2.76279@edtnps84, JISTASKKIN at
wrote on 11/29/03 4:17 PM:
"Tom McDonald" <tmcdonald2672@nohormelCharter.net> wrote in message
news:vshq6imv9qr97a@corp.supernews.com...
JISTASKKIN wrote:
"Tom McDonald" <tmcdonald2672@nohormelCharter.net> wrote in message
news:vsdvnk9n1pbfb2@corp.supernews.com...
JISTASKKIN wrote:
<snip>
Recently, you mentioned you attend a Church. Which one? And do you
attend
regularly?
Jist,
Do you attend a church?
Yes.
If so, which one (denomination and
local church)?
It's a mix of Brethren and Baptist. Local to me, yes.
And if you attend, how often do you attend?
I attend as often as possible. At least once a week. I am quite
involved
with other ministries as well. Creation evangelism to name but one.
Jist,
This is interesting to me.
Do you consider your presence here to be part of your
creation evangelism ministry?
Not in a serious way, no.
However, since you mentioned this, I have done some research on Creation
evangelism, and I think I understand a bit more of the whys and hows of the
positions you have been taking.
However, I must disagree with Creation evangelism's fundamental position
that the whole of the gospel rests upon the foundation of a literal Genesis.
I used to think a lot this way, but having met real Christians who did not
take that position made me ask some questions.
The fact that I need a Savior is quite adequately addressed in Romans 5.
Adam sinned and introduced sin. But I am not judged for what he did. Death
has fallen upon all men because all have sinned. Since I am a sinner
personally, I personally need a Savior.
Science in none of its arenas tells me that there is no God.
Which part of the religious/scientific belief that tomatoe plants and
giraffes having a common ancestor but not a common Creator tells you that
there is a God?
And if it did,
science is mutable -- it acknowledges that it does not and will not have all
the truth. There are many areas of life that science cannot deal with.
True, so why should'nt the vialbe alternative theory that they have a
common Creator be taught alongside the theory that they have a common
ancestor?
I have known several scientists who take this position, and they are active
Christians.
Christian scientists do not deny that the scientific theory that tomatoe
plants and giraffes having a common ancestor exists, most atheist
scientists deny that the scientific theory that tomatoe plants and
giraffes having a common Creator exists.
Regards,
Raymond E. Griffith
If so, is your behavior to others who disagree with you on
non-essentials of salvation sanctioned by your church, either
at the denominational level or at the level of the elders (or
whatever the leaders of your local church are called)? I
refer here specifically to the aspersions you cast on peoples'
characters, not to your approach to the debate on the issues.
Probably not no.
Finally, I'm not familiar with the term "creation
evangelism". Does that mean the spreading of the truth of
creationism? Or does it refer to the use of creationist ideas
to help spread the Gospel?
Both.
Tom McDonald
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| User: "Alberich" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
11 Dec 2003 09:29:05 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 03:25:15 GMT, (Michael)
wrote:
Science in none of its arenas tells me that there is no God.
Which part of the religious/scientific belief that tomatoe plants and
giraffes having a common ancestor but not a common Creator tells you that
there is a God?
Science doesn't address the question at all. Why can't you understand
this?
And if it did,
science is mutable -- it acknowledges that it does not and will not have all
the truth. There are many areas of life that science cannot deal with.
True, so why should'nt the vialbe alternative theory that they have a
common Creator be taught alongside the theory that they have a common
ancestor?
Because it cannot be falsified, the hallmark of a scientific
hypothesis. Teach it in religious classes, but not in science
classes.
Alberich
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| User: "Midwinter" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
12 Dec 2003 05:54:02 AM |
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Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:
Because it cannot be falsified, the hallmark of a scientific
hypothesis. Teach it in religious classes, but not in science
classes.
Better still, leave it out of schools altogether and allow the individual
to make up his or her own mind. There is no place in any civilised society
for enforced religion.
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Midwinter
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
12 Dec 2003 07:23:00 AM |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:54:02 +0000 (UTC), Midwinter
<solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote:
Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:
Because it cannot be falsified, the hallmark of a scientific
hypothesis. Teach it in religious classes, but not in science
classes.
Better still, leave it out of schools altogether and allow the individual
to make up his or her own mind. There is no place in any civilised society
for enforced religion.
And if evolution as you claim it happened is actually
true (which is only your claim), then it cannot be
falsified either. So by your own logic, it should be
left out of schools altogether also.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=real_video
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: Genetics & Evolution |
12 Dec 2003 11:10:06 AM |
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Pastor Dave <nospam-draymond@minister.com> wrote in
news:r7gjtv07742r61qr8sg46qq4go7ba9o18r@4ax.com:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:54:02 +0000 (UTC), Midwinter
<solstice688@TAKEYOURSPAMANDhotmail.com> wrote:
Alberich <Alberich@NoSpam.com> wrote:
Because it cannot be falsified, the hallmark of a scientific
hypothesis. Teach it in religious classes, but not in science
classes.
Better still, leave it out of schools altogether and allow the
individual to make up his or her own mind. There is no place in any
civilised society for enforced religion.
And if evolution as you claim it happened is actually
true (which is only your claim), then it cannot be
falsified either. So by your own logic, it should be
left out of schools altogether also.
You are, of course (a matter of course with you), misrepresenting what
falsifiability actually implies. It does NOT imply that a theory can
actually be proven wrong, only that it can be proven wrong IN PRINCIPLE.
That is to say there must be classes of observations or experiments that
WOULD prove it wrong if they turned out one way. You have been told
often enough. Show that human remains occur unequivocally laid down
inside cretaceous rock and you will have cast evolution into serious
doubt. Some creationists have tried to do this already, but the evidence
they have mustered has always been of about the quality of supermarket
tabloid reports of B52 aircraft on the moon.
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
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