Religions > Bible > Glenn Is Not A Christian - Glenn's False Christianity Now Attacks Randy Too
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Glenn Is Not A Christian - Glenn's False Christianity Now Attacks Randy Too |
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:39:50 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
altbible@gmail.com wrote:
I think Dave was using Matthew 5:18 as a rhetorical question. He
doesn't believe we are under the law, but sees the passage as a dilemma
for our view. I think we're supposed to see the verse, and have to
either conclude that we are still under the OT law, or else the phrase
heavens and earth is not literal. It's supposed to be an inescapable
lock that we can't get around, without admitting the preterist view.
However, the word of God can be fulfilled, without passing away. The
jot and tittle refers to the stroke of the pen, in writing. We still
have the word of God, thousands of years after it was written, and
after a lot of it has been fulfilled. The correct meaning, I think,
is, until heaven and earth pass away, not even the smallest stroke of
the word of God will pass away, until all of it has been fulfilled.
Christ fulfilled the OT law, as a way of righteousness, so that part of
the word has been fulfilled. The prophets, however, have not, and that
is why the literal heavens and earth remain. Every jot and tittle of
the word of God will remain until heavens and earth pass away, and all
the word of God has been fulfilled.
Side Note to Randy:
I have already refuted this comment of yours elsewhere.
http://tinyurl.com/bptq2
You can also go to this link and see the answer to this
issue of the Law and heaven and earth passing, etc...
http://Heaven-Earth-Passed.notlong.com
NOW TO ADDRESS GLENN.....
Regardless of what Dave may, or may not, have meant...
top posters are Trolls
Regardless of the fact that you are a Troll,
Dave did not say what you think he may have meant...
You are so wrapped up in yourself, that you insult
someone who was trying to help you out (Pulpitfire)!
Thank you for exposing yourself as exactly what I said
you are! A glory hound who operates on pride, ego
and vanity!
No one can be right, unless they want to join YOU
in trashing ME!
That is OBVIOUSLY NOT the motive of a Christian!
If he had begun his post by insulting me, then
you would have, "thanked him for his words".
It is YOU who are the TROLL, Glenn!
I will say this formally now. I have suspected it
for some time, but now I really believe it!
YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN!
You are a foolish man, who is only interested ONLY
IN HIS OWN GLORY!!!
SIDE NOTE START:
And before anyone says a word about me saying that,
read further down and you'll see that Glenn claimed
that about me already, so he has no response to this
and I will show exactly and specifically why I said it!
SIDE NOTE END-
It is one thing to fire off here and there, if people
are attacking you. And if people are twisting the
word of God as you do, to suit their own doctrines,
then Jesus Himself attacked that kind of nonsense,
which is what YOU display! And I could even excuse
(but not agree with, even if I am doing it) firing off
now and then without provocation.
But YOU, fire off AT ANYONE AND EVERYONE
who disagrees with even the slightest point that
you make a claim about!
YOU fire off AT ANYONE AND EVERYONE
who will NOT join you in trashing ME!
You have started DOZENS of threads about me,
that were full of nothing but PERSONAL INSULTS
and were NOT even related to the subject at hand!
Of course, the way you keep twisting the words of
the Bible to suit your doctrine, the subject "at hand"
must actually be a subject that wouldn't be seen for
thousands of years yet! <chuckle>
And why did you do this? Simple! :) Because I am
the person that you cannot refute! Why not? Because
I do not try to pass off my imagination as the Bible,
as you do!
My view means saying that it is NOT all about me!
And that bothers you, because you can't claim that I am
promoting some false doctrine that glorifies ME, as YOU
do, with YOUR doctrine!
And do you know what else bothers you about it, Glenn?
The fact that it is clear that what you promote IS ALL
ABOUT YOU GLORIFYING YOU, as some divine
"Possessor of God's Truths"!!!
According to YOU and YOUR OWN WORDS, Jesus
is coming back in YOUR GENERATION!
You state that THIS IS A FACT!!!
You claim that anyone who denies it is foolish!!!
You claim that you have PROVED it Biblically!!!
And when I ask you where you have done that
and where it can be found in the Bible, you tell
me that I am a fool if I cannot see it! Even though
Jesus said that we are not to call our brother's
fools!
So guess what, Glenn? Before you get all upset,
saying that I shouldn't be making the call that
you aren't a Christian, when you called me a fool,
you made that judgment about me long ago!!!
And yes Glenn, I DO know your heart, because
YOU DISPLAY IT HERE, FOR ALL TO SEE!!!
According to YOU and YOUR OWN WORDS, YOU
have, "the Truth" (capital "T" yours).
You keep handing us YOUR IMAGINATION and you
keep claiming that it's in the Bible! And when you
are asked where, all we see is insults in return!
You snip everyone's responses and insult them!
You OUTRIGHT LIE about people and what they have
said and when it is proved, you continue to lie about
them! You aren't even smart enough to change the lie!
And I would BE HAPPY to document that here, if you
try to deny it!!! And make no mistake Glenn, you can
BE SURE OF THAT!!! You are a COWARD, Glenn!!!
You took bits and pieces of my words and quoted them
out of context and called me a liar and refused to go
head to head with me on them, point by point, when
I asked you to!
In fact, you were SO DESPERATE to find me lying,
that you actually took a statement that I said jokingly
to Feather and had put a smiley after and you claimed
that I was seriously telling her to burn in Hell!
And then when I pointed that out to you and PROVED
it to you, YOU STILL TRIED TO DEFEND DOING IT!!!
You also said that I lied about what you said and when
I provided links to prove that you did indeed say what
I said you did, you ignored it and immediately started
another thread, demanding a link from me for the very
SAME THING!!!
You outright refused to prove your claims and said
plainly to me that you would not back up your claims!
Now you ATTACK Randy (Pulpitfire) and call him
A TROLL, because his message did NOT start by
insulting ME! And THAT was the REAL reason
you said that about him!
I don't agree with Randy and I think his post is a
copout, designed to get around the problem. But
I would not call him a troll, just because he didn't
insult you in his post!
He may be 12 years old and dress like a clown and need
to die a slow, agonizing death by toothpick torture...
<just kidding, Randy :) >
....but he isn't a troll, just because he didn't hurl
insults at someone I don't like!
With my latest post, which can be found here....
http://Heaven-Earth-Passed.notlong.com
....you began to trash it in the same thread,
AFTER ADMITTING THAT YOU DIDN'T
READ IT AND WOULDN'T READ IT!!!!!!!
The thread can be seen here, complete with
your claims (scroll up to the top first, to see)!
http://tinyurl.com/9ollz
You have not read what I posted, so by your own
admission in that very thread, you are speaking
from ignorance!
There is nothing you can say, that is going to change
what Jesus said and you're not going to ignore the
post that explains it in detail and get me to argue
with you without what I posted, just because you
are too stubborn and full of pride and ego to read
it. I won't argue with you, based on your admitted
ignorance! So if you wish to add something, then
read the post and tell me what specific point is
in error and why. If you don't do that, then you
admit that you're just a blow hard, who wants
to rant and whine, because I won't kneel before
him, as if he is God. And we BOTH KNOW that
you won't do that Glenn, because YOU CAN'T
refute it!
You are a foolish old man. No one pays attention
to you in real life and people won't bow to you and
lick your shoes there, nor will they tolerate you
trying to tell them that only you have the truth
and that everything you say is truth and so, you
come here, where you can ignore whatever people
say in response. Here, you can snip words and
run away and then trash people all you want to.
That's something you can't do in real life, because
people will tell you to shut up and sit down.
Here you can put down your soap box and bellow
at the top of your lungs and pretend that everyone
believes you and adores you. You can pretend
that you're the king of the world, the one who
everyone turns to, to know the truth. And hey,
whoever tries to say otherwise, why you can
just snip their words and repeat your lies and
pretend that no one saw you get your ***** handed
to you on a platter. <chuckle>
Face it... You got your ***** handed to you on a platter
and your doctrine smashed to pieces, repeatedly when
you have tried to attack me!
You are too much of a coward to admit that you don't
have an answer! It's that simple! You must appear to
be the great wisdom of God to everyone, who decides
what is and what is not truth, all the while ignoring
everyone else, who exposes you for the pathetic fraud
that you are!
You go ahead Glenn and convince yourself that
you're really somebody in the Christian world
and that the whole world is waiting with baited
breath to read what nuggets of wisdom that you
will poor forth from your holy, divine keyboard.
The rest of us will stay here in reality and laugh
our asses off at you trying to make an argument
against what I said, when you admit that you
haven't read it. :)
Throughout all of this time, you have been making false
claims and teaching erroneous doctrine!
When I corrected you about Matthew 24:3, that it does
not speak of "the end of the world", but in the Greek,
say "the end of the age", you changed your teaching
and then called me a liar when I rightly pointed that
out, since you were trying to use my own teaching
against me.
You went on to claim that you already taught that
and you demanded proof that I corrected you.
When I provided a link to the very messages in which
I did that, you snipped my words, attacked me and
started a dozen threads with your lies that I mentioned
earlier in this message.
You then went on to claim again and again, that it is
something you already taught! You pointed to a web
link of yours, which you could have changed in two
minutes! As I said, I pointed to the message in which
you said it stated "the end of the world" and in which
I corrected you and after that, your messages about it
said "the end of the age" and pointed out the bad
translation of the KJV on that word, which is exactly
what I told you!
When I corrected you about Jesus noting a local
destruction and not a world wide destruction
in Luke 21:20-22, the same thing happened
and you then tried to convince us that Matthew 24
and Luke 21 were two different discourses, even
though I showed you multiple parallels between
the two!
But hey Glenn, when the word of God gets in your way,
you have no problem taking your eraser out! (:
When I pointed out THE FACT that NOWHERE in the NT,
is EVEN ONE WORD from the Greek used, that notes a
world wide destruction, you responded with a couple of
passages at most, which have been shown to you not to
contain "world wide" phrases in the original Greek and
you ignored it and started some more threads attacking
me personally, hurling insults at me, in an attempt to
try to distract people from the fact that you just got
your ***** handed to you on a platter!
You do not study history! You do not study the Bible!
You have no clue about what the Old Testament
Scriptures teach us!
When you kept posting passages and demanded to know,
"Oh yea? If it all happened already, then when did
this happen?!", I responded EACH AND EVERY TIME,
by showing you where and when it happened!
What was your response to that? See above. (:
You lied about me posting my responses and deleting
the news group you had sent the post into, that I
responded to! And you weren't even smart enough to
figure out that you responded to my response, from
the same group you accused me of deleting!
And when I pointed out to you that I merely ADDED
groups, by proving to you that the original group
was in the header of my response, what did you do?
You attacked me AGAIN, GLENN!!!
Now here is the bottom line...
Face it Glenn... it's over! You're washed up! It's
done! You're history! No one is going to entertain
the false idea that you bring God's Truth to them
any longer! People are just not stupid enough to keep
believing you, when they see you so openly exposed as
the liar that you are!
The days of your self imagined reign of glory are over,
Glenn and everyone knows that you are not, as you like
to claim, the holder of God's sacred "Truths".
They know that when you claim that something is a lie
and admit that you refused to even read it and have
no idea what it says, that you couldn't possibly have
refuted it and that to continue to claim that it is a
lie without reading it, which is what you have done,
is to claim to have Divine inspiration from God
regarding that very message that you refused to read.
It is to claim that you somehow know what's in it,
even though I made it clear TO YOU that I had not
stated the things contained in it prior to that in
the other threads.
And you want to know something, Glenn? That means
that whether you want to admit this or not, when you
call it a lie after admitting that you have not read it
and posting a stupid remark as a response, without
having had enough time to read it over, you are
implying that you are somehow able to divinely view
the message! That is the only conclusion one can
reach, when you claim that you can know it's a lie,
without having read it! And that is going too far,
for anyone with half a brain to believe!
The people have seen you, in the last few days,
repeatedly make claims about what it is I was saying.
You claimed that I believe that we are still under
the Law. That was a lie and you knew that when
you posted it!
When I corrected you, you kept repeating the claim,
even after seeing my correction, which is proved
by the fact that you quoted my correction in your
response, in which you even again repeated the claim!
You claimed that I said that we must continue
to perform animal sacrifices.
When I corrected you... see above. (:
Throughout all of this, which is only the TIP OF
THE ICEBERG, I have REPEATEDLY OFFERED
TO FORGIVE AND FORGET!!!
And what was YOUR RESPONSE??? To ignore it!
To slam me again and to continue slamming me!
So I say it again... I do NOT believe that YOU are
a child of God! No child of God would do the things
that you do! A child of God would have had the
integrity to confess, even if only privately in email,
that he was lying about the person and apologize!
But YOU, even after REPEATEDLY being PROVED
to be a LIAR about me, continue to lie!
You need to repent before God and to ask both of us
for forgiveness for the things you have done and you
need to seek His Truth, not what YOU WANT to make
the truth to be, twisting the Bible up like a pretzel,
to force fit it into your doctrine and seeking to ERASE
whatever words in it don't suit YOU and YOUR
OWN, PERSONAL, MAN MADE DOCTRINE!!!!!!!
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
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| User: "Pulpitfire" |
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| Title: Re: Glenn Is Not A Christian - Glenn's False Christianity Now Attacks Randy Too |
24 Dec 2005 08:40:50 AM |
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Alright, alright...let's simmer this thing down everyone. What I think
we all need to remember, is that it's extremely difficult to get
someone to change their mind about Bible doctrine (especially if they
are established in it for a long time). It's even harder if you are
trashing each other. Such a context tends more to galvanize people
against each other's views. Also, it's hard to admit error, unless the
person you are dealing with is very humble. Even if you are only in it
to defend the truth, your attitude, and words can affect bystanders in
a way that could affect what they believe. Humility and patience are
necessary, otherwise, it's just going to be a damaging fight for
everyone. Also, I think you have to know when to just move on to
someone else who might be willing to listen.
http://www.pulpitfire.org/devotionals/pulpitfire.php
Grace & peace
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Christ died for our sins and God raised Him from the dead (1 Cor.
15:1-3).
Rely on this finished work alone for salvation. www.pulpitfire.org
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| User: "Ananias917" |
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| Title: Re: Glenn Is Not A Christian - Glenn's False Christianity Now Attacks Randy Too |
24 Dec 2005 11:41:22 AM |
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On 24 Dec 2005 06:40:50 -0800, "Pulpitfire"
<altbible@gmail.com> spake thusly:
Alright, alright...let's simmer this thing down everyone.
This is simmered down. :)
My two or three threads, to his dozens. :)
What I think we all need to remember, is that it's extremely difficult to get
someone to change their mind about Bible doctrine
I don't care of you see it my way. That may come
later, or it may never come. I hope you do, but
God will decide that.
And I could understand if someone takes something
head on and then disagrees. Whether you, or anyone
believes it or not, I do communicate with people in
usenet that completely disagree with me and we have
very good relationships here. They deal with what
I say head on and I likewise with their words. We
don't play games with each other and therefore,
we respect each other, even if we don't see eye to eye.
What I care about, is an honest approach. Ignoring
everyone's responses and then starting threads about
what their way of thinking (logic, reason, etc.) and
threads to attack them personally and intentionally
telling lies about them, which is what Glenn does
and I have proved repeatedly that he has done that,
is not what a Christian does, period.
In fact, just yesterday you responded to one of his
attacks on me.
And just yesterday, he attacked you and called you
a troll, because your first words were not an attack
on me. Tell me I'm wrong, Randy. Go ahead, try
to tell me I'm wrong.
That is pride, ego and vanity, Randy and we both
know that.
It's even harder if you are trashing each other.
It's not about "trashing each other". I did not
start this. I am simply sick and tired of his antics!
I am sick and tired of him constantly trashing anyone
who doesn't immediately agree with whatever he says!
I am sick and tired of him trashing any line of thought
that doesn't bow to him!
For example...
He calls Psalmsmith's response, "impeccable logic"
and then starts a thread with "impeccable logic"
in the subject, after snipping everything Psalmsmith
said and claims that "impeccable logic" is "worldly
wisdom" and then, when Psalmsmith asks what's up
with that, Glenn says, "As God as my witness, I was
not talking about you.". Huh?! And this happens
EVERY TIME!!! Yes, I'm sure it is simply coincidence
that EVERY TIME someone makes a point that Glenn
can't respond to, that a new thread starts, with part
of what they said, or his comment about what they
said, as part of the subject line! Please!
Glenn called "God as his witness". Well guess what?
God witnessed it and He's not to happy about Glenn
trying to make Him part of his lie!!!
Humility and patience
It is not pride to point out that a deceiver is
deceiving, Randy. And while I understand where
you're going with that, do you really think it's right
to use that word about my response, when it is Glenn
who has the issue with pride and ego here?
I have offered Glenn forgiveness repeatedly and said
I would forget about all of it. He refused every time.
In this thread, I simply exposed him and let him know
that we're on to his tactics.
I cannot believe that the man is a Christian, when he
LIES about people, even after it has been shown to him,
which means that it isn't a mistake, but rather, that
it is INTENTIONAL.
I cannot believe that the man is a Christian, when he
TRASHES people, just because their response doesn't
start with trashing ME!
I cannot believe that the man is a Christian when
his ONLY concern is how people can glorify HIM!
And no Christian attempts to erase whatever the Bible
says, when the words of the Bible present a problem
for their man made doctrine, as Glenn does, making
it obvious that he doesn't even bother to look things
up in the Bible, before he makes his next, "on the fly"
doctrinal change, such as claiming that the Law has
not been removed, when the Bible clearly states that
Christ nailed it to the cross and abolished it (those
are the words the Bible uses), just because he couldn't
come up with an answer to the dilemma that I presented
to him and then ridicules anyone who doesn't agree
with his erasure of Scriptures, when it is pointed out!
That is not a Christian thing to do, period! None of
what he does, are Christian things to do! Nor is he
looking for reconciliation, which as I said, was
offered to him repeatedly. It's either we believe him
and don't dare to disagree with even one word that
he says, or it's be attacked by him, with him starting
thread after thread of outright lies about you! (:
It's that simple.
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
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