On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:58:26 -0500, while bungee jumping,
Randy <pulpitfire@gmail.com> shouted thusly:


Since Glenn has brought up his own issues on his web page,
I see no problem with posting this message, especially since
his rage is obvious and his deceitful tactics and his attempts
to manipulate others into his web of anger, hatred and deceit
should be warned against. But I do not post this out of
hatred, but rather, the hope that he will read this and that
it will sink in and that others will read it and it will warn
them about him and what drives him. I am sure that I will
be slammed from every possible angle for this message,
by the same people who post message after message filled
with insults against me and attacks on me, which are for
the sole purpose of expressing their vile hatred for me.
They are hypocrites. Wolves in sheep's clothing to be sure.
And they certainly won't acknowledge that this message
about Glenn was not done out of hatred, but of a need
for Glenn to see this and for others to be warned.

And I write the following, admittedly without sitting down
with Glenn, but with a sincere heart and no ill intent and
as a serious and probable diagnosis of Glenn's current
psychological condition. While it is possible that it is
incorrect, as I have not actually sat down with him,
I believe that it is correct and that if not, it isn't far
off. And I say that and the following, as someone
who is educated in the appropriate fields.

And the haters can ask where and how I was educated,
as if that somehow proves my statements incorrect,
but the reality is, you only show your own desire to
avoid dealing with the truth, because you love it when
Glenn shows hatred for others whom you don't like
and you love it when he fights against God's word,
which is evident by your claims that Randy and I
are rapists and your rejections of Paul and your
general discontent with any Godly statements.

The bottom line is that you will get nothing from me,
because you deserve nothing from me and because
I don't allow people to distract from the subject and
that is the reason that you people ask the questions
that you ask. (:

So go ahead and hate me, but you still have the issues
presented here to deal with, even if you hate me. (:

But before beginning my message, let me say that
what is being objected to by Jani, is that we object
to Jani's statement that nothing Glenn said would
be objected to by a Christian (as if a liberal unbeliever
like her could possibly be qualified to make that
judgment), when in reality, he expressed the ideas that:

1) A parent has no God given right to raise their child
as they see best (this is where Glenn will claim that
this means they are abusing the child and if anyone
cannot see that this is deluded behavior, then they
have their own psychological issues).

2) That when God said that if we "raise up a child in
the way of the Lord, that he would not depart from
it when he is older" that this not a statement by God
that this would guarantee anything. In other words,
the way that Glenn stated it, you don't have any
better of a chance than any other parent and in fact,
are doing the wrong thing and seek to abuse the child.

3) Glenn expressed the idea that parents do not have
the right to discipline their children and that if they
do so, that they are seeking to force their children
to be obedient by abuse. The issue here is, Glenn
claiming by this, that a parent does not have the right
to make their child obey their rules and equates ANY
form of punishment to effect this obedience, with abuse.

Given these things, let us continue...

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:04:31 +0100,
in article <gMGdnUVi_fnEHaPYnZ2dnUVZ8qmdnZ2d@pipex.net>,
"Jani" <jani@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

What, exactly, in Owd's post do you see as likely to
"ruin families"? Now *I* might not agree with all
of it, not being a theist, but I see nothing that a
christian would object to.

By his own admission, on his own website, his paranoia
about nuclear weapons, and obsession with end time
theology led to the loss of his family. He tried to lead
his family to a place where he thought it would be safe
from nuclear weapons, and suffers or suffered from
manic depression. His wife did not want to have her
and the children following him around the country in
his paranoia, so asked him to leave.

He also speaks of how his Dad threatened to beat him
and his siblings "till the blood runs down their legs".
He is now, still, trying to make others out to be oppressive
and abusive, as he claimed his own father was, on his
web page.

By his own admission, he thinks that if a person has a right
to something, then that means it's ok for them to take and
use the right by force, against the wishes of others. This is,
perhaps why he still lives in fear of nuclear weapons. His
fears of an abusive father and nuclear weapons is still rearing
its head, through him, here in these posts.

Actually Randy, you're not as far off as you might fear.
You are basically correct. He projects his father into
every other person that even dares deem discipline in
any form appropriate and any sense of authority, in any
situation and Glenn rebels against them, because in his
mind, he is rebelling against his father, now that he feels
that he has the courage to do it. The reality is, by doing
this, he is showing that he actually lacks courage and
maturity, because if he really did have the courage
and maturity to do this, then he would have handled it
more appropriately and be spending his time looking for
an Internet audience to approve of him and he wouldn't
be trying to make everyone who discusses any form of
MALE authority in marriage into his father for the purpose
of venting his anger at his father, using them for his
punching bag.

You see, it is clear that he is lashing out specifically
against male authority, because as we can see, he is
not objecting in the slightest to women trying to lay
claims of/to authority in their marriages/families.

Furthermore, he probably wishes he gave his wife more
authority and had listened to her and so now, he tries
to make up for it, by claiming that every husband who
acts as if he actually has the authority that God gave
husbands and fathers, is abusive. And this is part of
the reason he cannot separate authority from abuse. (:

Glenn has some severe psychological problems and could
probably benefit from being locked away for a while and
being forced to deal with his emotional problems. And
I do not say that as an insult, but rather a fact. The truth
is, if he had some family member who could see his current
state evidenced, he would probably benefit greatly from
a forced commitment. In a good, quality mental health
facility of course, as something the state might run, would
probably not be of much benefit and I do not wish to see
anyone being locked away, just for the purpose of locking
them away and not helping them, when they have such a
great need for quality mental health care, as Glenn does.

And as odd as it sounds, I also would not suggest Christian
counseling for him at this time anyway, as it would probably
be detrimental to his psychological health, since he would
never get past his feelings of superiority over every other
Christian in the world. He first needs serious and severe
psychological help, along with medication to calm his highly
tensive emotional state. Thorazine might be a bit much,
but some valium wouldn't hurt. :) And I would suggest
continued medication, possibly for life, maybe something
along the line of Xanex, with a Valium kicker, when
necessary, for those especially psychotic moments,
like when he sits in front of a computer. :)

Now after this, then I would recommend Christian counseling
in this committed setting, along with continued care of the
kind he was receiving, for the last 6 months to 1 year of his
commitment and then, Christian counseling in a halfway house
setting, which his normal psychologist visiting on occasion.
This would give him the chance to begin to integrate into
society again and would not allow him to just be thrown out
into society, to once again go off into the woods, claiming
that the whole world is against him, except the women in
these news groups. :)

And I say this as someone who is studied in:

1) Psychology.
2) Christian counseling.
3) Christian psychology.

And he should definitely not have access to a computer
for some time to come, as it only feeds his own paranoia
and feelings of superiority, since any "checks and balances"
that would be appropriate, do not exist in usenet for an
individual like Glenn, who deletes any text that he does
not care to deal with, because it threatens his imagined
superiority.

If I have misquoted anything he claimed on his own web page,
it was unintentional, as I do believe this is correct.

It was.

I would not think that he would maintain a web page
with this information being available to anyone on earth,
if he did not want this information disclosed.

He wants it disclosed. He just want anyone to acknowledge
its disclosure. :)

He posts it to gain sympathy and to engender feelings of
both sympathy and what he feels would be respect for
himself, in that he hopes that people will feel that he has
a wisdom that should be listened to, given what he claims
to have been through.

I.e., "This guys has been through so much, he can help us
to understand how we should treat our families."

...and they might not think to question his motives and
consider that maybe he is angry and that this anger
might color his judgment.

Then he comes in here and tries to counsel people on how
to raise their family, and tries to make it look like other people
are oppressive and power hungry, as he apparently claims
his Dad was, and which he is afraid of.

Glenn still lives with a huge fear of his father and he seeks
an outlet for the anger that he has toward his father. He
finds it here, where he feels safe and feels that he doesn't
have to actually deal with the obvious questions that his
paranoia, anger and fear, which come shining through
in his posts, would normally prompt those of a sound mind
to ask. This is evidenced by the fact that he can never, ever
leave a post alone and must always snip anything that even
comes close to questioning his forcefully stated claims.
And it is evidenced by his constant and intentional changes
to what people say. He manipulates the text, until they
aren't even asking what they were asking any more and
are saying the opposite of what they said, just as he did
to you, when he claimed you were saying yes to force
and to me, when he tried to claim that I confessed to rape.

In other words, he cannot deal with it and he knows that
if he leaves the questions alone, then people might begin
to question him. So he responds as quickly as he can,
trying to manipulate the text and lies about what you said,
so as to quickly make himself appear the victim to try to
get people to focus on you, instead of him, which is where
he knows the focus belongs. If he did not know that,
then he would respond directly to the questions asked,
since they only deal with what he himself said in his post.

Glenn is not a very smart man and he has at least one
mental disability and this is why he ends up so often
trapped not by our words, but by his own and gets
upset with us, when we are only shining a flashlight
on what he, without realizing it, said about himself.

And he has no regard for integrity, honestly, nor even
for the personal freedoms of others (and I mean literal
and physical freedom)!

As Glenn said himself (and notice how he tried to dodge
his own words, which tell us that he knows exactly how
wrong it is to say those things)...

GLENN:
******************************
I will *not* respect any borders,
I will *not* respect any conventions,
I *will* wage unlimited war,
I will show *no* mercy
I *will* make war.
It *is* War
******************************

Glenn admits here that he has no sense of fair play and simply
doesn't care what methods he uses to try to bring someone
down, which he cannot do, not to those who serve God,
because he ends up fighting against God's word and therefore,
against God Himself! And what reflects this also, is that he
seeks his approval from those who fight against God's word. (:

When someone is that bad off, that they would claim that
people are actually rapists and have actually confessed to
such a serious and vile crime, which could only come
straight from the pit of Hell, then they are seriously
in need of psychological help and I mean major
psychological help, of the sort that I outlined here!

And this is a terrible place to be and a terrible war that he
cannot win. But because of his anger and hatred, which is
what drives him, he continues on, as he said he would,
unable to squelch the anger within him toward his father
and so, he ends up fighting and tearing against himself. (:

I would not advise anyone to take his marital or family
counseling advice.

You would be correct and it is especially evidenced by
the fact that Glenn himself refuses such counseling
for himself and does not even express remorse over
the fact that he drove his family away from himself,
nor that the wedge was placed between his family
and himself, by himself and no one else. But Glenn
has no pity for them. He only has pity for himself,
which he tries to mask by lashing out at others,
thinking that this arrogant anger will go undetected
by anyone. But in reality, a first year psychology
major could pick up on it in about five minutes.

Think about it... When was the last time you saw Glenn
post that he was saddened by the fact that his family left
him due to his own paranoia?

You won't see it (unless he tries now to falsely claim
that he feels that way, to try to slide out from under
this correct analysis), because Glenn is not about
focusing on anyone but himself and his own hatred
and anger, while he tries to mask it as Godly indignation.

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:58:26 -0500, while bungee jumping,
Randy <pulpitfire@gmail.com> shouted thusly:


Since Glenn has brought up his own issues on his web page,
I see no problem with posting this message, especially since
his rage is obvious and his deceitful tactics and his attempts
to manipulate others into his web of anger, hatred and deceit
should be warned against. But I do not post this out of
hatred, but rather, the hope that he will read this and that
it will sink in and that others will read it and it will warn
them about him and what drives him. I am sure that I will
be slammed from every possible angle for this message,
by the same people who post message after message filled
with insults against me and attacks on me, which are for
the sole purpose of expressing their vile hatred for me.
They are hypocrites. Wolves in sheep's clothing to be sure.
And they certainly won't acknowledge that this message
about Glenn was not done out of hatred, but of a need
for Glenn to see this and for others to be warned.

And I write the following, admittedly without sitting down
with Glenn, but with a sincere heart and no ill intent and
as a serious and probable diagnosis of Glenn's current
psychological condition. While it is possible that it is
incorrect, as I have not actually sat down with him,
I believe that it is correct and that if not, it isn't far
off. And I say that and the following, as someone
who is educated in the appropriate fields.

And the haters can ask where and how I was educated,
as if that somehow proves my statements incorrect,
but the reality is, you only show your own desire to
avoid dealing with the truth, because you love it when
Glenn shows hatred for others whom you don't like
and you love it when he fights against God's word,
which is evident by your claims that Randy and I
are rapists and your rejections of Paul and your
general discontent with any Godly statements.

The bottom line is that you will get nothing from me,
because you deserve nothing from me and because
I don't allow people to distract from the subject and
that is the reason that you people ask the questions
that you ask. (:

So go ahead and hate me, but you still have the issues
presented here to deal with, even if you hate me. (:

But before beginning my message, let me say that
what is being objected to by Jani, is that we object
to Jani's statement that nothing Glenn said would
be objected to by a Christian (as if a liberal unbeliever
like her could possibly be qualified to make that
judgment), when in reality, he expressed the ideas that:

1) A parent has no God given right to raise their child
as they see best (this is where Glenn will claim that
this means they are abusing the child and if anyone
cannot see that this is deluded behavior, then they
have their own psychological issues).

2) That when God said that if we "raise up a child in
the way of the Lord, that he would not depart from
it when he is older" that this not a statement by God
that this would guarantee anything. In other words,
the way that Glenn stated it, you don't have any
better of a chance than any other parent and in fact,
are doing the wrong thing and seek to abuse the child.

3) Glenn expressed the idea that parents do not have
the right to discipline their children and that if they
do so, that they are seeking to force their children
to be obedient by abuse. The issue here is, Glenn
claiming by this, that a parent does not have the right
to make their child obey their rules and equates ANY
form of punishment to effect this obedience, with abuse.

Given these things, let us continue...

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:04:31 +0100,
in article <gMGdnUVi_fnEHaPYnZ2dnUVZ8qmdnZ2d@pipex.net>,
"Jani" <jani@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

What, exactly, in Owd's post do you see as likely to
"ruin families"? Now *I* might not agree with all
of it, not being a theist, but I see nothing that a
christian would object to.

By his own admission, on his own website, his paranoia
about nuclear weapons, and obsession with end time
theology led to the loss of his family. He tried to lead
his family to a place where he thought it would be safe
from nuclear weapons, and suffers or suffered from
manic depression. His wife did not want to have her
and the children following him around the country in
his paranoia, so asked him to leave.

He also speaks of how his Dad threatened to beat him
and his siblings "till the blood runs down their legs".
He is now, still, trying to make others out to be oppressive
and abusive, as he claimed his own father was, on his
web page.

By his own admission, he thinks that if a person has a right
to something, then that means it's ok for them to take and
use the right by force, against the wishes of others. This is,
perhaps why he still lives in fear of nuclear weapons. His
fears of an abusive father and nuclear weapons is still rearing
its head, through him, here in these posts.

Actually Randy, you're not as far off as you might fear.
You are basically correct. He projects his father into
every other person that even dares deem discipline in
any form appropriate and any sense of authority, in any
situation and Glenn rebels against them, because in his
mind, he is rebelling against his father, now that he feels
that he has the courage to do it. The reality is, by doing
this, he is showing that he actually lacks courage and
maturity, because if he really did have the courage
and maturity to do this, then he would have handled it
more appropriately and be spending his time looking for
an Internet audience to approve of him and he wouldn't
be trying to make everyone who discusses any form of
MALE authority in marriage into his father for the purpose
of venting his anger at his father, using them for his
punching bag.

You see, it is clear that he is lashing out specifically
against male authority, because as we can see, he is
not objecting in the slightest to women trying to lay
claims of/to authority in their marriages/families.

Furthermore, he probably wishes he gave his wife more
authority and had listened to her and so now, he tries
to make up for it, by claiming that every husband who
acts as if he actually has the authority that God gave
husbands and fathers, is abusive. And this is part of
the reason he cannot separate authority from abuse. (:

Glenn has some severe psychological problems and could
probably benefit from being locked away for a while and
being forced to deal with his emotional problems. And
I do not say that as an insult, but rather a fact. The truth
is, if he had some family member who could see his current
state evidenced, he would probably benefit greatly from
a forced commitment. In a good, quality mental health
facility of course, as something the state might run, would
probably not be of much benefit and I do not wish to see
anyone being locked away, just for the purpose of locking
them away and not helping them, when they have such a
great need for quality mental health care, as Glenn does.

And as odd as it sounds, I also would not suggest Christian
counseling for him at this time anyway, as it would probably
be detrimental to his psychological health, since he would
never get past his feelings of superiority over every other
Christian in the world. He first needs serious and severe
psychological help, along with medication to calm his highly
tensive emotional state. Thorazine might be a bit much,
but some valium wouldn't hurt. :) And I would suggest
continued medication, possibly for life, maybe something
along the line of Xanex, with a Valium kicker, when
necessary, for those especially psychotic moments,
like when he sits in front of a computer. :)

Now after this, then I would recommend Christian counseling
in this committed setting, along with continued care of the
kind he was receiving, for the last 6 months to 1 year of his
commitment and then, Christian counseling in a halfway house
setting, which his normal psychologist visiting on occasion.
This would give him the chance to begin to integrate into
society again and would not allow him to just be thrown out
into society, to once again go off into the woods, claiming
that the whole world is against him, except the women in
these news groups. :)

And I say this as someone who is studied in:

1) Psychology.
2) Christian counseling.
3) Christian psychology.

And he should definitely not have access to a computer
for some time to come, as it only feeds his own paranoia
and feelings of superiority, since any "checks and balances"
that would be appropriate, do not exist in usenet for an
individual like Glenn, who deletes any text that he does
not care to deal with, because it threatens his imagined
superiority.

If I have misquoted anything he claimed on his own web page,
it was unintentional, as I do believe this is correct.

It was.

I would not think that he would maintain a web page
with this information being available to anyone on earth,
if he did not want this information disclosed.

He wants it disclosed. He just want anyone to acknowledge
its disclosure. :)

He posts it to gain sympathy and to engender feelings of
both sympathy and what he feels would be respect for
himself, in that he hopes that people will feel that he has
a wisdom that should be listened to, given what he claims
to have been through.

I.e., "This guys has been through so much, he can help us
to understand how we should treat our families."

...and they might not think to question his motives and
consider that maybe he is angry and that this anger
might color his judgment.

Then he comes in here and tries to counsel people on how
to raise their family, and tries to make it look like other people
are oppressive and power hungry, as he apparently claims
his Dad was, and which he is afraid of.

Glenn still lives with a huge fear of his father and he seeks
an outlet for the anger that he has toward his father. He
finds it here, where he feels safe and feels that he doesn't
have to actually deal with the obvious questions that his
paranoia, anger and fear, which come shining through
in his posts, would normally prompt those of a sound mind
to ask. This is evidenced by the fact that he can never, ever
leave a post alone and must always snip anything that even
comes close to questioning his forcefully stated claims.
And it is evidenced by his constant and intentional changes
to what people say. He manipulates the text, until they
aren't even asking what they were asking any more and
are saying the opposite of what they said, just as he did
to you, when he claimed you were saying yes to force
and to me, when he tried to claim that I confessed to rape.

In other words, he cannot deal with it and he knows that
if he leaves the questions alone, then people might begin
to question him. So he responds as quickly as he can,
trying to manipulate the text and lies about what you said,
so as to quickly make himself appear the victim to try to
get people to focus on you, instead of him, which is where
he knows the focus belongs. If he did not know that,
then he would respond directly to the questions asked,
since they only deal with what he himself said in his post.

Glenn is not a very smart man and he has at least one
mental disability and this is why he ends up so often
trapped not by our words, but by his own and gets
upset with us, when we are only shining a flashlight
on what he, without realizing it, said about himself.

And he has no regard for integrity, honestly, nor even
for the personal freedoms of others (and I mean literal
and physical freedom)!

As Glenn said himself (and notice how he tried to dodge
his own words, which tell us that he knows exactly how
wrong it is to say those things)...

GLENN:
******************************
I will *not* respect any borders,
I will *not* respect any conventions,
I *will* wage unlimited war,
I will show *no* mercy
I *will* make war.
It *is* War
******************************

Glenn admits here that he has no sense of fair play and simply
doesn't care what methods he uses to try to bring someone
down, which he cannot do, not to those who serve God,
because he ends up fighting against God's word and therefore,
against God Himself! And what reflects this also, is that he
seeks his approval from those who fight against God's word. (:

When someone is that bad off, that they would claim that
people are actually rapists and have actually confessed to
such a serious and vile crime, which could only come
straight from the pit of Hell, then they are seriously
in need of psychological help and I mean major
psychological help, of the sort that I outlined here!

And this is a terrible place to be and a terrible war that he
cannot win. But because of his anger and hatred, which is
what drives him, he continues on, as he said he would,
unable to squelch the anger within him toward his father
and so, he ends up fighting and tearing against himself. (:

I would not advise anyone to take his marital or family
counseling advice.

You would be correct and it is especially evidenced by
the fact that Glenn himself refuses such counseling
for himself and does not even express remorse over
the fact that he drove his family away from himself,
nor that the wedge was placed between his family
and himself, by himself and no one else. But Glenn
has no pity for them. He only has pity for himself,
which he tries to mask by lashing out at others,
thinking that this arrogant anger will go undetected
by anyone. But in reality, a first year psychology
major could pick up on it in about five minutes.

Think about it... When was the last time you saw Glenn
post that he was saddened by the fact that his family left
him due to his own paranoia?

You won't see it (unless he tries now to falsely claim
that he feels that way, to try to slide out from under
this correct analysis), because Glenn is not about
focusing on anyone but himself and his own hatred
and anger, while he tries to mask it as Godly indignation.

--

Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"

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