Religions > Bible > God described mountain range formation... science is only behind by thousands of years.
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"John P. Boatwright" |
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07 Nov 2004 08:15:25 AM |
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God described mountain range formation... science is only behind by thousands of years. |
God said what happens in mountain range formation:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/hills.htm
But what did science do? They then went off saying
NOTHING did it, when NOTHING never said what it did,
and NOTHING never laid claim to having done it in
the first place.
Science is thousands of years behind what the creator
had already said.
God's words have proven that he is the source of it all.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Marvin" |
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| Title: Re: God described mountain range formation... science is only behind by thousands of years. |
07 Nov 2004 09:23:02 AM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:418E2D12.D3@For-God.net...
God said what happens in mountain range formation:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/hills.htm
But what did science do? They then went off saying
NOTHING did it, when NOTHING never said what it did,
and NOTHING never laid claim to having done it in
the first place.
Science is thousands of years behind what the creator
had already said.
God's words have proven that he is the source of it all.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
LOL! Okay, who's cloning. This is a bit too much. even for a
fundamentalist.
--
Marvin
To reply, burn off fog.
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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07 Nov 2004 09:30:36 AM |
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Marvin wrote:
LOL! Okay, who's cloning. This is a bit too much. even for a
fundamentalist.
Pay attention guy, this is serious stuff.
Here's the text where God accurately described mountain range
formation, less all the prior discussion leading up to it:
Job 38:12 Have you appointed the coming of daylight daily,
and caused the morning to show its place,
(Note that the dawn near mountain ranges, is delayed until
the sun passes high enough to shine down over the tops
of the mountains. The mountains changed the timing of
when daylight arrives, and the daylight arriving there
shows the place where the mountains are.)
13 That it might be taken hold of at the ends of the
earth, And the wicked be shaken out of it?
(There are ends of the earth. The earth's land mass plates
moving, at the ends of those plates, the land mass edges,
that is where mountains show up. The coming of daylight is
delayed or taken hold of there at those mountains. The time
the daylight arrives is different there around mountains
verses a flat land. There are also earthquakes at those
land mass edges or ends, where one land mass can go above
another. Where land masses do that, you get earthquakes
and mountains there with delayed daylight ... and the people
there are shaken.)
14 It takes on form like clay under a seal, And
stands out like a garment.
This last line too, continues the same answer God started
with, that where the land ends meet, where there's mountain
formation is much like clay under a seal. The seal when
pressed into the clay, pushes up the clay that isn't under
the seal. Some of the clay being pushed down and away by the
seal, that clay slides under other clay, pushing the other
clay upwards even higher. This is a simple analogy, from
God, of how mountain range formation actually occurs.
Not only that, but God continued to describe it further,
likening it all to a garment, that where the land masses
meet, it's like a garment. Garments sewn together from
multiple cloths, at the places where the cloths meet, the
cloth at those edges stands out. There is some cloth that's
under, and some that's over where it's sewn together, at
that edge or ends of the cloth where they meet.
God was exactly right in what he said about how he forms
mountain ranges. God is the only one at the time that could
have known what it's like when mountains form, or that
there are land masses that do said stuff. The "how it
works" was described accurately by God thousands of years
ago, even before the people writing it down, had ever
understood what God was saying.
God's words prove he is the source. The ones writing it
down, didn't know what God was saying or why it was
correctly given. Therefore the words are from God, and
God's own words have proven he is the creator.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Marvin" |
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07 Nov 2004 01:59:41 PM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
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Marvin wrote:
LOL! Okay, who's cloning. This is a bit too much. even
for a
fundamentalist.
Pay attention guy, this is serious stuff.
Here's the text where God accurately described mountain
range
formation, less all the prior discussion leading up to it:
[Snip Job 38:12 - 14 and illumination]
Sorry, I honestly thought someone was spoofing you. I will
accept that you mean well, but I hope you can understand that
to me and most others here your efforts to find scientific
meaning in obscure scripture is, at the very least, sad. A
while back I saw an article detailing how a chapter in _Moby
Dick_ "accurately" predicted the death of Princess Diana. If
I remember correctly the author claimed he could do the same
with any event and any book of sufficient size. It's entirely
possible there were some who read the article and became
convinced that Melville was a great prophet, and they may now
worship him in some obscure place. To me such a result seems
no more out of step with reality than what you're doing, but I
respect, and actually defend, your right to be deluded and to
attempt to share your delusions. You're pretty much spinning
your wheels here, though.
In all seriousness, I would like to know what you believe is
the reason your God would have so effectively obscured these
truths that only now a few students of scripture have finally
discovered them. And secondly, now that you have what you
appear to believe is positive proof, haven't you deprived
yourself of the special blessing Jesus described to Thomas?
--
Marvin
To reply, burn off fog.
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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| Title: Re: God described mountain range formation... science is only behind by thousands of years. |
07 Nov 2004 02:23:37 PM |
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Marvin wrote:
"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:418E3EB2.3D22@For-God.net...
Marvin wrote:
LOL! Okay, who's cloning. This is a bit too much. even
for a
fundamentalist.
Pay attention guy, this is serious stuff.
Here's the text where God accurately described mountain
range
formation, less all the prior discussion leading up to it:
[Snip Job 38:12 - 14 and illumination]
Sorry, I honestly thought someone was spoofing you. I will
accept that you mean well, but I hope you can understand that
to me and most others here your efforts to find scientific
meaning in obscure scripture is, at the very least, sad.
Students of science do the same thing. They attempt to
read what science said about the world around them, then
note the matches and get their degree... or graduate
the class, whichever...
In them doing so, are those students of science sad too?
God simply said what he did, what he said matches what
actually occurs.
Science says the same thing... is that sad too?
God's last statment on the matter, that it's like a seal
pushing into the clay and the clay upturning... and it
being like a garment where the joined material stands
out... those two are dead on... God's analogy is just
like the science account promotes for the plates moving
over each other, earthquakes there, and mountains delaying
the daybreak there.
How would you have described it thousands of years ago
to people that didn't understand it, such that it would
match thousands of years later... proving you were the source?
There is no other god out there that got it right.
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, he is the only God there is.
A
while back I saw an article detailing how a chapter in _Moby
Dick_ "accurately" predicted the death of Princess Diana. If
I remember correctly the author claimed he could do the same
with any event and any book of sufficient size. It's entirely
possible there were some who read the article and became
convinced that Melville was a great prophet, and they may now
worship him in some obscure place. To me such a result seems
no more out of step with reality than what you're doing, but I
respect, and actually defend, your right to be deluded and to
attempt to share your delusions. You're pretty much spinning
your wheels here, though.
There will always be the blind rejecting God, they won't
see what God said as being right. If God had wanted them
to know it, they'd see it and understand.
In all seriousness, I would like to know what you believe is
the reason your God would have so effectively obscured these
truths that only now a few students of scripture have finally
discovered them.
Isn't it obvious?
God said his word would outlast it all.
In God telling those that didn't know, and them passing it on,
it then being found to be right, that only leaves God as the one
that had it right long before anyone else... proving he is
the only God there is.
Anyone now knowing how it works, they could write a text claiming
they have an account from some god... but God's word predates it.
And secondly, now that you have what you
appear to believe is positive proof, haven't you deprived
yourself of the special blessing Jesus described to Thomas?
You will never know God is there, unless you have faith first
to find him.
God never said you couldn't know he was right.
God never said that his words would confuse everyone.
God did say that many would not understand... he never said all.
If God didn't want people to know what he said, he never
would have said the stuff he said... or left it such that
it would eventually prove him right... that he is God.
But it's still left such that you can deny him, and feel
that you're right in doing so... 'cuz if that's what you
wanted anyway... that's what you'll get.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Marvin" |
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07 Nov 2004 06:45:20 PM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:418E8441.FE1@For-God.net...
Marvin wrote:
"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:418E3EB2.3D22@For-God.net...
Marvin wrote:
LOL! Okay, who's cloning. This is a bit too much.
even
for a
fundamentalist.
Pay attention guy, this is serious stuff.
Here's the text where God accurately described mountain
range
formation, less all the prior discussion leading up to
it:
[Snip Job 38:12 - 14 and illumination]
Sorry, I honestly thought someone was spoofing you. I
will
accept that you mean well, but I hope you can understand
that
to me and most others here your efforts to find scientific
meaning in obscure scripture is, at the very least, sad.
Students of science do the same thing. They attempt to
read what science said about the world around them, then
note the matches and get their degree... or graduate
the class, whichever...
In them doing so, are those students of science sad too?
God simply said what he did, what he said matches what
actually occurs.
Science says the same thing... is that sad too?
I have no doubt the difference has been pointed out to you
before, but here goes. Keep in mind that I'm a liberal arts
person, so my explanations may be a bit less specific that
those some others here could give you.
Science looks for another hypothesis at the point the evidence
fails to support the current one. Faith begins with a
proposition and looks for evidence to support it. Of course,
human nature being what it is, even scientists have been known
to resist evidence and insist on a favored position, and
obviously academic squabbles do occur. Eventually, though,
evidence decides.
God's last statment on the matter, that it's like a seal
pushing into the clay and the clay upturning... and it
being like a garment where the joined material stands
out... those two are dead on... God's analogy is just
like the science account promotes for the plates moving
over each other, earthquakes there, and mountains delaying
the daybreak there.
How would you have described it thousands of years ago
to people that didn't understand it, such that it would
match thousands of years later... proving you were the
source?
I hate to answer a question with another, but I can't help
wondering why I would think it necessary to describe at all.
If people, or Job, needed to know about such things thousands
of years ago, they needed to know in more specific terms than
are offered here.
I've been perusing my old Scofield in an attempt to place your
three verses in some kind of context, and I'm convinced no
one, even Dr. Scofield, can be sure exactly what Jehovah's
(according to Scofield) tirade in chapters 38 -41 is all
about.
There is no other god out there that got it right.
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, he is the only God
there is.
A
while back I saw an article detailing how a chapter in
_Moby
Dick_ "accurately" predicted the death of Princess Diana.
If
I remember correctly the author claimed he could do the
same
with any event and any book of sufficient size. It's
entirely
possible there were some who read the article and became
convinced that Melville was a great prophet, and they may
now
worship him in some obscure place. To me such a result
seems
no more out of step with reality than what you're doing,
but I
respect, and actually defend, your right to be deluded and
to
attempt to share your delusions. You're pretty much
spinning
your wheels here, though.
There will always be the blind rejecting God, they won't
see what God said as being right. If God had wanted them
to know it, they'd see it and understand.
In all seriousness, I would like to know what you believe
is
the reason your God would have so effectively obscured
these
truths that only now a few students of scripture have
finally
discovered them.
Isn't it obvious?
Well, no.
God said his word would outlast it all.
In God telling those that didn't know, and them passing it
on,
it then being found to be right, that only leaves God as the
one
that had it right long before anyone else... proving he is
the only God there is.
Anyone now knowing how it works, they could write a text
claiming
they have an account from some god... but God's word
predates it.
LOL. I'll accept that you think so. Something so vague that
it needs to be subjected to endless interpretation can work
fairly well as literary social commentary or philosophical
discussion. But as proof of anything?
And secondly, now that you have what you
appear to believe is positive proof, haven't you deprived
yourself of the special blessing Jesus described to
Thomas?
You will never know God is there, unless you have faith
first
to find him.
Yes. It's so good the expression "catch 22" has become a part
of the English lexicon. First, believe. Then the belief
becomes your proof. Right?
God never said you couldn't know he was right.
God never said that his words would confuse everyone.
God did say that many would not understand... he never said
all.
Couldn't an all powerful being express himself a bit more
clearly?
If God didn't want people to know what he said, he never
would have said the stuff he said... or left it such that
it would eventually prove him right... that he is God.
And when will this proof arrive? Other than the subject of
this thread, of course. I didn't find it at all compelling.
But it's still left such that you can deny him, and feel
that you're right in doing so... 'cuz if that's what you
wanted anyway... that's what you'll get.
Now you've wandered into the free will question, or questions.
I feel sure you've dealt with it in the past and realize the
"answers" lead to a dichotomy that simply can't be resolved.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
As I said before, I accept that you believe, or at least want
so desperately to do so that you have shut down your rational
mind. I also accept that you believe you may be able to save
the souls of some of the atheists here. I strongly defend
your right to believe and to make the attempts, but I believe
your mind could be put to much better use. The following
paragraph is intended to benefit you and any others who lurk
or cross post into a.a.
Many of the posts here are never picked up by my ISP, but I've
seen your name here before. I doubt seriously that you'll
ever find any converts, but if you stay you may find it more
and more difficult to keep your mind closed and maintain your
faith. I don't say this because I think such a result is a
bad one, but I know from experience that the transition from
fundamentalist Christianity to atheism is painful in a number
of ways. Ultimately it's great to be free of fear and
superstition. For my wife and me, other than the fact that we
no longer attend services several times a week and turn over
20% and more of our income to a church, our lives aren't any
different than they were before. After nearly thirty years,
even our friends and family finally accept us again, but there
was a time . . .
--
Marvin
To reply, burn off fog.
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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07 Nov 2004 11:51:12 PM |
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Marvin wrote:
"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
God's last statment on the matter, that it's like a seal
pushing into the clay and the clay upturning... and it
being like a garment where the joined material stands
out... those two are dead on... God's analogy is just
like the science account promotes for the plates moving
over each other, earthquakes there, and mountains delaying
the daybreak there.
How would you have described it thousands of years ago
to people that didn't understand it, such that it would
match thousands of years later... proving you were the
source?
I hate to answer a question with another, but I can't help
wondering why I would think it necessary to describe at all.
If people, or Job, needed to know about such things thousands
of years ago, they needed to know in more specific terms than
are offered here.
Why?
God's original statement was for THEM to tell HIM.
Not the other way around.
God said that IF they knew what he'd done, then THEY should
tell him NOW... he was demanding that they tell him.
God then started telling them portions of it all, where at
any time, they could speak up and tell him... but they
remained silent... what could they say? They didn't know
what he was saying or how it fit in with God creating it
all, or what God does... how he does it... they didn't know.
He was telling them portions... they could speak up and
ANSWER him... they didn't.
I've been perusing my old Scofield in an attempt to place your
three verses in some kind of context, and I'm convinced no
one, even Dr. Scofield, can be sure exactly what Jehovah's
(according to Scofield) tirade in chapters 38 -41 is all
about.
It's obvious what was going on.
God wanted them to start telling him, and if they could,
he wanted them to speak and have the rain pour down on them,
to do things that God could do... and if they could, if they
could answer him, and do the things he asked... then he'd
agree with them that THEIR ARM could save them.
If they couldn't... then they were while remaining silent,
agreeing that they didn't know what God did... that it
was no possible for them to have known.
Which many atheists agree with today... they openly say
that people back then didn't know... yet God's statements
clearly show that HE did know... while they didn't. The
ones writing it down, didn't know, yet got it right anyway.
Anyone now knowing how it works, they could write a text
claiming
they have an account from some god... but God's word
predates it.
LOL. I'll accept that you think so. Something so vague that
it needs to be subjected to endless interpretation can work
fairly well as literary social commentary or philosophical
discussion. But as proof of anything?
Where else is the daybreak delayed? The mountian tops
delay the daybreak, just like says.
You do know that most earthquakes are at or near mountain
ranges... right? That's where the "ends of the earth"
collide... as was mentioned in the verses.
The form being as a seal pushing into clay and clay turning
upwards... and it being like garment where it stands out,
at the edges where the cloth meet...
Those are all obvious references by God of what happens
at mountain ranges.
The trick is, God wanted them to ANSWER... but they had
no idea what he was talking about. God wanted them to tell
him... to answer the riddle... but they couldn't.
It's now known what the answer is, God's riddle is known.
The point was that for them THEN, they didn't know, but
now thousands of years later... it's known that God knew
and they didn't... THEN.
The owner of the words given, was God... not the writer
of the text. The words are from God.... not from a man.
And secondly, now that you have what you
appear to believe is positive proof, haven't you deprived
yourself of the special blessing Jesus described to
Thomas?
You will never know God is there, unless you have faith
first
to find him.
Yes. It's so good the expression "catch 22" has become a part
of the English lexicon. First, believe. Then the belief
becomes your proof. Right?
Well, put it this way, you can doubt ANYTHING right up
to the point of you knowing you're alive, that you can't
doubt.
Whatever is left... everything left... it's up to you
to either believe it, or not.
God never said you couldn't know he was right.
God never said that his words would confuse everyone.
God did say that many would not understand... he never said
all.
Couldn't an all powerful being express himself a bit more
clearly?
It was a riddle... they were supposed to answer it... they didn't.
If God didn't want people to know what he said, he never
would have said the stuff he said... or left it such that
it would eventually prove him right... that he is God.
And when will this proof arrive? Other than the subject of
this thread, of course. I didn't find it at all compelling.
God never said you would.
But it's still left such that you can deny him, and feel
that you're right in doing so... 'cuz if that's what you
wanted anyway... that's what you'll get.
Now you've wandered into the free will question, or questions.
I feel sure you've dealt with it in the past and realize the
"answers" lead to a dichotomy that simply can't be resolved.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
As I said before, I accept that you believe, or at least want
so desperately to do so that you have shut down your rational
mind.
You assume that someone believing God would not be rational.
Why?
If you believe what was created, why is it irrational to
believe the creator?
Do you believe an Intel CPU is correct if it does a computation?
Is it irrational to believe the creator, Intel, when they
discuss what they created?
I also accept that you believe you may be able to save
the souls of some of the atheists here. I strongly defend
your right to believe and to make the attempts, but I believe
your mind could be put to much better use. The following
paragraph is intended to benefit you and any others who lurk
or cross post into a.a.
My point in posting to a.a. is to merely state that God
was right. Them believing or not, that's up to them.
Many of the posts here are never picked up by my ISP, but I've
seen your name here before. I doubt seriously that you'll
ever find any converts, but if you stay you may find it more
and more difficult to keep your mind closed and maintain your
faith. I don't say this because I think such a result is a
bad one, but I know from experience that the transition from
fundamentalist Christianity to atheism is painful in a number
of ways. Ultimately it's great to be free of fear and
superstition. For my wife and me, other than the fact that we
no longer attend services several times a week and turn over
20% and more of our income to a church, our lives aren't any
different than they were before. After nearly thirty years,
even our friends and family finally accept us again, but there
was a time . . .
I've found it to be just the opposite. You probably had
weak faith if you lost it so easily.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Richard Smol" |
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| Title: Re: God described mountain range formation... science is only behindby thousands of years. |
07 Nov 2004 09:45:31 AM |
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John P. Boatwright wrote:
Marvin wrote:
LOL! Okay, who's cloning. This is a bit too much. even for a
fundamentalist.
Pay attention guy, this is serious stuff.
Only to a deluded inbred like you.
<- snip braindead drivel ->
RS
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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07 Nov 2004 10:01:49 AM |
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Richard Smol wrote:
John P. Boatwright wrote:
Marvin wrote:
LOL! Okay, who's cloning. This is a bit too much. even for a
fundamentalist.
Pay attention guy, this is serious stuff.
Only to a deluded inbred like you.
<- snip braindead drivel ->
God said
* the dawn is held back there
* at the ends of the earth
* the wicked are shaken out there
* it's as a seal pushing into clay
* and stands out as a garment
All those match what you see at a mountain range and
match what science currently says about how mountain
ranges form.
God was right thousands of years before science was.
God was saying such to tell them that he knew what they
didn't know... he said it right after talking about planet
formation... and then started talking about relatively
present day stuff.
God said what he did, and what he said matches what occurs.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Richard Smol" |
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| Title: Re: God described mountain range formation... science is only behind by thousands of years. |
08 Nov 2004 03:17:40 AM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message news:<418E4601.5024@For-God.net>...
Richard Smol wrote:
John P. Boatwright wrote:
Marvin wrote:
LOL! Okay, who's cloning. This is a bit too much. even for a
fundamentalist.
Pay attention guy, this is serious stuff.
Only to a deluded inbred like you.
<- snip braindead drivel ->
God said
* the dawn is held back there
* at the ends of the earth
* the wicked are shaken out there
* it's as a seal pushing into clay
* and stands out as a garment
All those match what you see at a mountain range and
match what science currently says about how mountain
ranges form.
This stuff is so vague that it can mean *anything* you want it
to mean. That is exactly what all you christians have been doing for
centuries now, often leading to bloody wars over who has the "right
interpretation."
In other words: bite me.
RS
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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07 Nov 2004 12:20:40 PM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in news:418E4601.5024@For-
God.net:
Richard Smol wrote:
John P. Boatwright wrote:
Marvin wrote:
LOL! Okay, who's cloning. This is a bit too much. even for a
fundamentalist.
Pay attention guy, this is serious stuff.
Only to a deluded inbred like you.
<- snip braindead drivel ->
God said
* the dawn is held back there
* at the ends of the earth
* the wicked are shaken out there
* it's as a seal pushing into clay
* and stands out as a garment
Your God may have said that, but mine said "Tell Boatwright to bite me."
Really, I heard it in a dream.
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Enkidu
"Yee-Ha" is not a foreign policy.
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07 Nov 2004 11:06:25 AM |
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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 09:23:02 -0600, "Marvin" <marvin2@fogstarband.net>
wrote:
"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:418E2D12.D3@For-God.net...
God said what happens in mountain range formation:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/hills.htm
But what did science do? They then went off saying
NOTHING did it, when NOTHING never said what it did,
and NOTHING never laid claim to having done it in
the first place.
Science is thousands of years behind what the creator
had already said.
God's words have proven that he is the source of it all.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
LOL! Okay, who's cloning. This is a bit too much. even for a
fundamentalist.
He's a well know kook. Leave him be.
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Matt Silberstein
Stones taught me to fly
Love taught me to lie
Life taught me to die
So it's not hard to fall
When you float like a cannonball
Damien Rice
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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07 Nov 2004 11:14:36 AM |
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Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 09:23:02 -0600, "Marvin" <marvin2@fogstarband.net>
wrote:
LOL! Okay, who's cloning. This is a bit too much. even for a
fundamentalist.
He's a well know kook. Leave him be.
I notice that you haven't debated the points made, that everything
God said about it, is what science says too.
If you were to present the "correct view" as you see it, you'd
then debate the points made, and counter them.
The problem for you though is... science says the same thing. You
can't counter what science says... can you?
No, you can't. God said what happens at mountain ranges, and
the rest is obvious... since only God could have known it to
have described it before anyone else knew what he was even talking
about.
God said in Job 38:
* the dawn is held back there
* at the ends of the earth
* the wicked are shaken out there
* it's as a seal pushing into clay
* and stands out as a garment
(http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/hills.htm)
The "ends of the earth"... science says that too. They call
them land masses, plates sliding over each other.
The wicked shaken out... obvious.
The daybreak being delayed there due to the height of the mountain,
yep, that's obvious too.
That it's like a seal pushing into clay... that's accurate,
the clay is pushed down, and UNDER other clay that's being
pushed upwards. God knew it... he knew what was going on
underneth it all.
The stuff being like a garment... the edges of cloths being
sewn together, some edges are UNDER and some are OVER... that's
exactly what science says too.
It all matches.
How did God know what they didn't know?
All those match what you see at a mountain range and
match what science currently says about how mountain
ranges form.
God was right thousands of years before science was.
God was saying such to tell them that he knew what they
didn't know... he said it right after talking about planet
formation... and then started talking about relatively
present day stuff.
God said what he did, and what he said matches what occurs.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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07 Nov 2004 12:22:33 PM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in news:418E5710.6479@For-
God.net:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 09:23:02 -0600, "Marvin" <marvin2@fogstarband.net>
wrote:
LOL! Okay, who's cloning. This is a bit too much. even for a
fundamentalist.
He's a well know kook. Leave him be.
I notice that you haven't debated the points made, that everything
God said about it, is what science says too.
You made no points. You misunderstand a book of bronze age mythology,
and mistake confusion for profundity.
--
Enkidu
"Yee-Ha" is not a foreign policy.
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| User: "raven1" |
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07 Nov 2004 01:10:05 PM |
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:14:36 GMT, "John P. Boatwright"
<name@For-God.net> wrote:
Matt Silberstein wrote:
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 09:23:02 -0600, "Marvin" <marvin2@fogstarband.net>
wrote:
LOL! Okay, who's cloning. This is a bit too much. even for a
fundamentalist.
He's a well know kook. Leave him be.
I notice that you haven't debated the points made, that everything
God said about it, is what science says too.
If you were to present the "correct view" as you see it, you'd
then debate the points made, and counter them.
The problem for you though is... science says the same thing. You
can't counter what science says... can you?
No, you can't. God said what happens at mountain ranges,
Exactly where the heck does it say or imply in the Bible that this
passage has anything to do with mountain ranges?
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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07 Nov 2004 02:39:09 PM |
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raven1 wrote:
Exactly where the heck does it say or imply in the Bible that this
passage has anything to do with mountain ranges?
It's given as a riddle, yet easily understood present day
as matching what occurs at a mountain range since God said
where you'd see it, it's where:
* earthquakes occur... the people are shaken
* the land ends or edges are
* daybreak is held back there
All those were mentioned for the "where"... it's up to you
to realize that those occur at a mountain range. God even
said that is where the morning shows it's "place"... the
daybreak as it arrives, ends up at the mountain as it arrives,
it advances towards the mountain as the sun shines over
the top of it.
Further clarification from God in what he's discussing, is
when he said it's as the seal pushing into the clay and the
clay upturning... like where the garment stands out... which
is where the cloth overlaps where it's sewn together... again
matching what happens at a mountain range. The science account
says the same thing. They discuss the upturned land mass, the
downturned land mass sliding under... much like the seal in
the clay, and the garment with cloths sewn together.
You can understand it, if you're not blind, deaf and dumb to
what God said, or why he's said it such as he did.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Iain" |
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09 Nov 2004 06:18:36 AM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message news:<418E87E5.5053@For-God.net>...
raven1 wrote:
Exactly where the heck does it say or imply in the Bible that this
passage has anything to do with mountain ranges?
It's given as a riddle, yet easily understood present day
as matching what occurs at a mountain range since God said
where you'd see it, it's where:
* earthquakes occur... the people are shaken
* the land ends or edges are
* daybreak is held back there
You're joking, right?
~Iain
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| User: "Iain" |
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08 Nov 2004 06:52:47 AM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message news:<418E2D12.D3@For-God.net>...
Boaty! Where you been, laddy? We were just talking about you in the
recent thread "boaty".
But what did science do? They then went off saying
NOTHING did it,
Science "went off" saying that plate techtonics did it, actually,
because that's what is observed to happen, and what geology indicates
has happened in the past.
You're right about science being hindered -- religious nuts burning
libraries and preventing us from dissecting torsos set scientific
progress back hundreds of years.
~Iain
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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13 Nov 2004 04:43:31 AM |
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Iain wrote:
"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message news:<418E2D12.D3@For-God.net>...
Boaty! Where you been, laddy? We were just talking about you in the
recent thread "boaty".
Been posting more in A.B.P. figured it was time to point out
how science is quite behind some more.
If you don't tell people just how far behind science is, they
start thinking science's "god" called NOTHING will save them...
it won't.
But what did science do? They then went off saying
NOTHING did it,
Science "went off" saying that plate techtonics did it, actually,
because that's what is observed to happen, and what geology indicates
has happened in the past.
The three verses God said, match what science describes.
The trick is, God said it as a riddle, he wanted them to pipe up
and answer both what he was describing, and how it works. But
they didn't... God did.
You're right about science being hindered -- religious nuts burning
libraries and preventing us from dissecting torsos set scientific
progress back hundreds of years.
If I recall correctly, a large number of scientists believe God.
The problem is, other scientists claim you can't give credit to
God, and then say you can only present NOTHING as the source of
it all.
That's wrong, they should credit to the creator: God.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Billy Goat" |
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27 Nov 2004 02:44:06 PM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message news:<4195E544.49C5@For-God.net>...
Iain wrote:
"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message news:<418E2D12.D3@For-God.net>...
Boaty! Where you been, laddy? We were just talking about you in the
recent thread "boaty".
Been posting more in A.B.P. figured it was time to point out
how science is quite behind some more.
If you don't tell people just how far behind science is, they
start thinking science's "god" called NOTHING will save them...
it won't.
Save them from what?
But what did science do? They then went off saying
NOTHING did it,
Science "went off" saying that plate techtonics did it, actually,
because that's what is observed to happen, and what geology indicates
has happened in the past.
The three verses God said, match what science describes.
And yet, nobody could decipher what the Bible was saying until science came along.
So, science is better than the Bible.
--Billy
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| User: "Iain" |
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26 Nov 2004 05:13:42 AM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message news:<4195E544.49C5@For-God.net>...
Iain wrote:
"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message news:<418E2D12.D3@For-God.net>...
Boaty! Where you been, laddy? We were just talking about you in the
recent thread "boaty".
Been posting more in A.B.P. figured it was time to point out
how science is quite behind some more.
If you don't tell people just how far behind science is, they
start thinking science's "god" called NOTHING will save them...
it won't.
Save them from what? Imaginary saviour; Imaginary threat. Popular
folklore.
What is science behind? The informaton in the Bible? Science has
discovered far more than could ever fit in the Bible, enriddled or
not.
But what did science do? They then went off saying
NOTHING did it,
Science "went off" saying that plate techtonics did it, actually,
because that's what is observed to happen, and what geology indicates
has happened in the past.
The three verses God said, match what science describes.
The trick is, God said it as a riddle, he wanted them to pipe up
and answer both what he was describing, and how it works. But
they didn't... God did.
You're right about science being hindered -- religious nuts burning
libraries and preventing us from dissecting torsos set scientific
progress back hundreds of years.
If I recall correctly, a large number of scientists believe God.
So? That's belief. It's not part of their work or discoveries.
The problem is, other scientists claim you can't give credit to
God, and then say you can only present NOTHING as the source of
it all.
Why can a god lack a source but not mankind? Gods invariably have all
the characteristics that creationists claim show mankind must have a
creator.
That's wrong, they should credit to the creator: God.
The creator of mountain ranges? Why do you think these of all things
need a creator. What about all the known mountain ranges in the
Galaxy? What do they serve, most of them never affecting the life of
anything?
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
LOL The mere existence of multiple planets, revolving around stars,
with liquid centres, suggests they have a fairly natural origin.
This isn't to mention that we are observing planetary systems forming
as we speak.
~Iain
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08 Nov 2004 08:45:55 AM |
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In article <418E2D12.D3@For-God.net>,
says...
God said what happens in mountain range formation:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/hills.htm
But what did science do? They then went off saying
NOTHING did it, when NOTHING never said what it did,
and NOTHING never laid claim to having done it in
the first place.
Science is thousands of years behind what the creator
had already said.
God's words have proven that he is the source of it all.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
Forgot to take the meds again, Boaty??
It's like you have Tourette's and just have to let go
once in a while...
And you really seem as clueless as ever about science...
BDK
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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08 Nov 2004 12:31:23 PM |
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BDK wrote:
And you really seem as clueless as ever about science...
Oh come on!
Us grocery store clerks have proven time and time again that
we could have easily been scientists, but decided to do other
stuff instead.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "BDK" |
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08 Nov 2004 10:19:06 PM |
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In article <418FBB3D.2AF5@For-God.net>,
says...
BDK wrote:
And you really seem as clueless as ever about science...
Oh come on!
Us grocery store clerks have proven time and time again that
we could have easily been scientists, but decided to do other
stuff instead.
LOL, I think it's the drugs, or whatever that messed you
up. Judging by your website, some sort of chemicals must
be involved. Or maybe it's a very slow growing tumor.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
God made nothing, Jesus is a rerun of older characters
in past stories.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
I rest my case...
BDK
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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13 Nov 2004 04:36:17 AM |
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BDK wrote:
In article <418FBB3D.2AF5@For-God.net>,
says...
BDK wrote:
And you really seem as clueless as ever about science...
Oh come on!
Us grocery store clerks have proven time and time again that
we could have easily been scientists, but decided to do other
stuff instead.
LOL, I think it's the drugs, or whatever that messed you
up. Judging by your website, some sort of chemicals must
be involved. Or maybe it's a very slow growing tumor.
???
Why can't a grocery store clerk be a scientist?
It seems like it'd be pretty easy.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
God made nothing,
You wish.
God made it all.
Jesus is a rerun of older characters
in past stories.
It's a set up, God set it up such that you could reject it,
and then said in their scriptures what he was going to do,
and then told them that it wouldn't be figured out, they'd
be blind to it.
They didn't do what God said to do, so he sent their messiah
to die for OTHERS sins... not for himself, but to save OTHERS
from their sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
I rest my case...
Ya right.
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14 Nov 2004 04:28:02 AM |
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In article <4195E35B.21C1@For-God.net>,
says...
BDK wrote:
In article <418FBB3D.2AF5@For-God.net>,
says...
BDK wrote:
And you really seem as clueless as ever about science...
Oh come on!
Us grocery store clerks have proven time and time again that
we could have easily been scientists, but decided to do other
stuff instead.
LOL, I think it's the drugs, or whatever that messed you
up. Judging by your website, some sort of chemicals must
be involved. Or maybe it's a very slow growing tumor.
???
Why can't a grocery store clerk be a scientist?
Whatever. It's your dancing around, trying to prove the
bible that shows desperation..
It seems like it'd be pretty easy.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
God made nothing,
You wish.
God made it all.
Sure. Whatever you say, just move away from the door and
keep your hands where I can see them while I get away
from your crazy *****.
Jesus is a rerun of older characters
in past stories.
It's a set up, God set it up such that you could reject it,
and then said in their scriptures what he was going to do,
and then told them that it wouldn't be figured out, they'd
be blind to it.
How convenient. It's a nice "out" isn't it? LOL. Someone
doesn't buy the fable, so they are "blind" to the
"truth". Maybe we see it for what it really is, but you
are "blinded" by it, and believe it completely.
They didn't do what God said to do, so he sent their messiah
to die for OTHERS sins... not for himself, but to save OTHERS
from their sins.
And this makes sense in what way??
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
I rest my case...
Ya right.
John, you have to know by now, that even believers think
your site is a "loon site". If you don't, WAKE UP!!
BDK
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25 Nov 2004 10:00:53 PM |
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BDK wrote:
In article <4195E35B.21C1@For-God.net>,
They didn't do what God said to do, so he sent their messiah
to die for OTHERS sins... not for himself, but to save OTHERS
from their sins.
And this makes sense in what way??
At the start of Daniel 9, Daniel is asking God to forgive
them. They were looking and/or waiting for their messiah.
God told Daniel through the angel that their messiah would
be rejected by his kinsmen, beaten, mutilated and killed
while sins would end.
That's Jesus... the messiah... rejected by the Jews,
his own kinsmen.
The timing given in Daniel 9, matches when Jesus showed up.
His kinsmen rejecting him, still goes on even today.
John, you have to know by now, that even believers think
your site is a "loon site". If you don't, WAKE UP!!
Which matters most:
* saying God is right
* making people happy
I think the first one matters most.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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26 Nov 2004 08:49:02 AM |
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In article <41A6AA1B.2A7@For-God.net>,
says...
BDK wrote:
In article <4195E35B.21C1@For-God.net>,
They didn't do what God said to do, so he sent their messiah
to die for OTHERS sins... not for himself, but to save OTHERS
from their sins.
And this makes sense in what way??
At the start of Daniel 9, Daniel is asking God to forgive
them. They were looking and/or waiting for their messiah.
God told Daniel through the angel that their messiah would
be rejected by his kinsmen, beaten, mutilated and killed
while sins would end.
That's Jesus... the messiah... rejected by the Jews,
his own kinsmen.
The timing given in Daniel 9, matches when Jesus showed up.
His kinsmen rejecting him, still goes on even today.
Again, on what planet and in what dimension does the
above make any sense whatsoever??
John, you have to know by now, that even believers think
your site is a "loon site". If you don't, WAKE UP!!
Which matters most:
* saying God is right
* making people happy
I think the first one matters most.
So, you admit the truth, eh??
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
No, Jesus was probably a fictional character.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
Oh boy, here we go with the planet density kookery
again..
I guess brains don't heal...
BDK
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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27 Nov 2004 04:43:11 AM |
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BDK wrote:
In article <41A6AA1B.2A7@For-God.net>,
At the start of Daniel 9, Daniel is asking God to forgive
them. They were looking and/or waiting for their messiah.
God told Daniel through the angel that their messiah would
be rejected by his kinsmen, beaten, mutilated and killed
while sins would end.
That's Jesus... the messiah... rejected by the Jews,
his own kinsmen.
The timing given in Daniel 9, matches when Jesus showed up.
His kinsmen rejecting him, still goes on even today.
Again, on what planet and in what dimension does the
above make any sense whatsoever??
This planet, this dimension.
John, you have to know by now, that even believers think
your site is a "loon site". If you don't, WAKE UP!!
Which matters most:
* saying God is right
* making people happy
I think the first one matters most.
So, you admit the truth, eh??
Exactly, saying God is right is the important item.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
No, Jesus was probably a fictional character.
Josephus recorded differently.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
Oh boy, here we go with the planet density kookery
again..
I guess brains don't heal...
If you understood it, it then becomes obvious.
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| User: "Roger Pearse" |
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27 Nov 2004 09:59:56 AM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <> wrote in message news:<41A85A23.71F7@For-God.net>...
BDK wrote:
In article <41A6AA1B.2A7@For-God.net>,
At the start of Daniel 9, Daniel is asking God to forgive
them. They were looking and/or waiting for their messiah.
God told Daniel through the angel that their messiah would
be rejected by his kinsmen, beaten, mutilated and killed
while sins would end.
That's Jesus... the messiah... rejected by the Jews,
his own kinsmen.
The timing given in Daniel 9, matches when Jesus showed up.
His kinsmen rejecting him, still goes on even today.
Again, on what planet and in what dimension does the
above make any sense whatsoever??
This planet, this dimension.
John, you have to know by now, that even believers think
your site is a "loon site". If you don't, WAKE UP!!
Which matters most:
* saying God is right
* making people happy
I think the first one matters most.
So, you admit the truth, eh??
Exactly, saying God is right is the important item.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
No, Jesus was probably a fictional character.
Josephus recorded differently.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
Oh boy, here we go with the planet density kookery
again..
I guess brains don't heal...
If you understood it, it then becomes obvious.
Well said.
Isn't it curious that those whose religious position is conformity to
period values can't even state their position, never mind defend it?
All the best,
Roger Pearse
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| Title: Re: God described mountain range formation... science is only behind by thousands of years. |
28 Nov 2004 01:19:56 AM |
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In article <41A85A23.71F7@For-God.net>,
says...
BDK wrote:
In article <41A6AA1B.2A7@For-God.net>,
At the start of Daniel 9, Daniel is asking God to forgive
them. They were looking and/or waiting for their messiah.
God told Daniel through the angel that their messiah would
be rejected by his kinsmen, beaten, mutilated and killed
while sins would end.
That's Jesus... the messiah... rejected by the Jews,
his own kinsmen.
The timing given in Daniel 9, matches when Jesus showed up.
His kinsmen rejecting him, still goes on even today.
Again, on what planet and in what dimension does the
above make any sense whatsoever??
This planet, this dimension.
No Boaty, only to you and the other poor demented
loons..
John, you have to know by now, that even believers think
your site is a "loon site". If you don't, WAKE UP!!
Which matters most:
* saying God is right
* making people happy
I think the first one matters most.
So, you admit the truth, eh??
Exactly, saying God is right is the important item.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
No, Jesus was probably a fictional character.
Josephus recorded differently.
It's a book Boaty!! They can put anything they want into
it, and they did! It's called a STORY.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
Oh boy, here we go with the planet density kookery
again..
I guess brains don't heal...
If you understood it, it then becomes obvious.
Oh, I understand. It's obvious that you're still a
whackaloon...
BDK
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