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"Frank" |
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21 Apr 2007 11:29:22 PM |
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God Made It Plain |
God made the Biblical way of salvation plain
thru the Lord Jesus Christ to the Reformers
in the Protestant Reformation 500 years ago:
Place all trust on Jesus Christ for salvation.
But the Rebellion that began 200 years ago
against that truth has suppressed that truth
by ignoring it, changing it, and opposing it.
Just as the Jewish rebellion against Christ
was led by the Jewish religious leaders,
and just as the Catholic rebellion against
the gospel was led by its Church leaders,
so now this Rebellion occurring just before
the return of Jesus Christ is being led
by many Protestant religious leaders.
They do not see themselves as leaders
in rebellion but rather as leaders in truth,
just as do the Jewish and Catholic leaders.
Do not follow leaders who are refusing
to love the truth and so be saved:
Tell people they are saved by placing
all their trust in Christ for salvation.
And make sure they understand:
That means absolutely no trust in works,
efforts, intentions, making a commitment,
surrendering in submission, faith, repentance,
church, baptism, sacrament, giving, service,
rather only in Jesus Christ and entirely in him.
Do those other things out of love for God,
but place your trust solely in Christ.
Rather than tell people
to receive Jesus as Savior,
or to receive Jesus as Savior and Lord,
or to make a commitment,
or to surrender in submission,
tell people to place all their trust in Christ
to be their righteousness and their salvation.
For in the gospel a righteousness from God
is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith
from first to last, just as it is written:
"The righteous will live by faith."
The wrath of God is being revealed
from heaven against all the godlessness
and wickedness of men who suppress
the truth by their wickedness, since what
may be known about God is plain to them,
because God has made it plain to them.
(Romans 1:17-19 NIV)
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| User: "Mark T moi@home087587648745859865986340000" |
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22 Apr 2007 12:28:13 AM |
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"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote:
God made the Biblical way of salvation plain
CORRECT!!!!
"Look unto Me [YAHWEH], and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth; for I
[YAHWEH] am God, and there is none else [INCLUDING JESUS OF NAZARETH]."
Isaiah 45:21
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| User: "Ben Mitts" |
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| Title: Re: God Made It Plain |
22 Apr 2007 11:15:29 PM |
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Mark T wrote:
"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote:
God made the Biblical way of salvation plain
CORRECT!!!!
"Look unto Me [YAHWEH], and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth; for I
[YAHWEH] am God, and there is none else [INCLUDING JESUS OF NAZARETH]."
Isaiah 45:21
About God same as what Mark T wrote
From the NASB:
Isiah 45:21
21 Declare and set forth your case; Indeed, let them
consult together Who has announced this from of
old? Who has long since declared it? Is it not I,
the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me,
A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except
Me.
Now what does the New Testament say about Jesus?
Luke 2:11
11 for today in the city of David there has been born for
you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
John 4:42
42 and they were saying to the woman, "It is no longer
because of what you said that we believe, for we have
heard for ourselves and know that this One is indeed the
Savior of the world."
Titus 2:10--13
10 not pilfering, but showing all good faith so that they will
adorn the doctrine of God our Savior in every respect.
11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,
12 instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live
sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age,
13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our
great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
Isiah 45:21 calls God our Savior! In Titus 2:13
Jesus Christ is called our great God and Savior!
If God is our Savior, and Christ is our Savior, then
Jesus must be God. Also because Go said there
are no other Gods except Him then Jesus Christ
is God because He is our Savior
So much for what Mark T claims- which for him
its just a claim only- an empty one at that.
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Peace!
Sincerely,
Ben mitts :)
"If God seems far away,... who moved"
"Feed your faith,.... Starve your doubts"
From The Word of God: And as Moses lifted up the serpent
in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted
up; that whoever believes may in Him have eternal life."
Similarly, God so loved the world, that He gave His only
begotten Son, that who ever believes in Him should not
perish, but Have eternal life. Another: God did not send
the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the
world should be saved through Him. He spoke elsewhere:
I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me
shall live, even if he dies, and everyone who lives and
believes in Me shall never die. Believe you this?
Therefore we may, as many will to do so: "But as many as
received Him, to them He gave the right to become child-
ren of God, even to those who believe in His name,"
(John 1:12)
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| User: "Mark T moi@home087587647899087934000000000" |
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23 Apr 2007 03:09:54 AM |
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"Ben Mitts" <benmitts@sbcglobal.net> wroteth:
God made the Biblical way of salvation plain
CORRECT!!!!
"Look unto Me [YAHWEH], and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth; for I
[YAHWEH] am God, and there is none else [INCLUDING JESUS OF >>NAZARETH]."
Isaiah 45:21
About God same as what Mark T wrote
From the NASB:
Isiah (sic) 45:21
Why can't fundamentalists spell?
From the Jewish Bible ....
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Declare ye, and bring them near, yea, let them take counsel together: Who
hath announced this from ancient time, and declared it of old? Have not I
HaShem? And there is no G-d else beside Me, a just G-d and a Saviour; there
is none beside Me.
from http://www.breslov.com/bible/Isaiah45.htm#1
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HaShem = Yahweh NOT Jesus of Nazareth
Now what does the New Testament say about Jesus?
"God was IN Christ" (2 Cor. 5:19-21) NOT "God WAS Christ"
i.e. Yahweh was in Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus of Nazareth was NOT Yahweh.
Then God spoke all these words. He said: 'I am Yahweh your God who brought
you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have NO
GODS (INCLUDING JESUS) EXCEPT ME.' - Exodus 20: 1-2
Did Jesus of Nazareth bring the people of Israel out of Egypt? Prove it.
That's the ONLY way you can prove that the human Jesus of Nazareth is the
the infinite ONE God Yahweh. It comes from the 10 Commandments. Are the 10
Commandments wrong????? ;-)
Luke 2:11...
Christ the Lord.
i.e. GOD's anointed HUMAN Messiah NOT God himself!
Find out what Messiah / Christ MEANS!!!!
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Lord does not mean God.
Lord means master / boss.
1) property owners are called Lord (Matt. 20:8, kurios is "owner" - NIV)
2) heads of households were called Lord (Mk 13:35, owner=kurios).
3) slave owners were called Lord (Matt. 10:24, master=kurios).
4) husbands were called Lord (1 Pet. 3:6, master=kurios).
5) a son called his father Lord (Matt. 21:30, sir=kurios).
6) the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts 25:26, His Majesty=kurios).
7) Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt. 27:63, sir=kurios).
John 4:42
Written 90 -120 Ce when the apostle John was dead. A FORGERY! Can a forgery
be the "word of God"? How trustworthy ios a FORGERY?????
Titus 2:10--13
Written 100 -150 CE when Paul was dead. A FORGERY! Can a forgery be the
"word of God"? How trustworthy is a FORGERY?????
If God is our Savior, and Christ is our Savior, then
Jesus must be God.
"Look unto Me [YAHWEH], and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth; for I
[YAHWEH] am God, and there is none else [INCLUDING JESUS OF NAZARETH]."
Isaiah 45:21
OR from the Jewish Bible
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Declare ye, and bring them near, yea, let them take counsel together: Who
hath announced this from ancient time, and declared it of old? Have not I
HaShem? And there is no G-d else beside Me, a just G-d and a Saviour; there
is none beside Me.
from http://www.breslov.com/bible/Isaiah45.htm#1
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HaShem = Yahweh NOT Jesus of Nazareth
Ben Mitts must believe FORGERIES as the "word of God" in order to back up
his silly illogical MAN-MADE fundamentalism which was only invented in the
mid 1800s!
Think about the TEN COMMNANDMENTS ...
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2. I am HaShem thy G-d, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of
the house of bondage.
3. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
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HaShem = Yahweh
WHO is this speaking about??? NOT Jesus of Nazareth who did NT briong the
people of Israel out of Egypt!!!!!!!!!!
"Feed your faith,.... Starve your doubts"
Feed your God-given brain and starve your fundamentalist ratbaggery!
From The Word of God
The bible NEVER calls itself the "word of God". NEVER!
Find ONE VERSE where the WHOLE bible is referred to as the "word of God".
You won't be able to. It does not exist!
Quoting the Bible is NOT quoting God.
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The Bible ...[is] ... a collection of human responses to God (very human,
some of them all too human), which we are at liberty to use in the process
of formulating our own individual, unique response to God. We don't do that
by imitating these responses slavishly. I mean God, if he exists, doesn't
want innumerable clones of the apostle Paul. He wants us to respond to him,
each of us in our own unique way. And we can use the Bible to do that, but
we don't do it by obeying it slavishly and blindly. - Peter Cameron
"Heretic" (Doubleday; Sydney: 1994) p. 195
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'As rare as a Fundamentalist who loves his enemy.
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.... quoting from James Barr's book "Fundamentalism" on the three
distinguishing features of the Fundamentalist '... an assurance that those
who do not share their religious viewpoint are not really true Christians at
all.' - Peter Cameron "Heretic" (Doubleday; Sydney: 1994) p. 178
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A Trew Kristyun is a deranged individual living in the current
Fundamentalist Dark Age who believes:
- The One God Yahweh is really three gods.
- Jesus, a finite Jew from Nazareth, is the infinite One God Yahweh
- A human sacrifice was required by God because God needs blood, gore and
guts in order to forgive sins.
- The Bible, a collection of fallible ancient Near Eastern books / letters /
myths, is "God's word" and inerrant
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My Blog - - my thoughts on Christianity/ song covers & pics & links
http://www.blognow.com.au/strooth/
My Soundclick Page - download my original songs in mp3 format
http://www.soundclick.com/marktindall
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| User: "Ben Mitts" |
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| Title: Re: God Made It Plain |
23 Apr 2007 11:28:33 AM |
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Mark T wrote to Ben Mitts:
Find out what Messiah / Christ MEANS!!!!
Ben writes;
Messiah, definition
1. the promised and expected deliverer of the Jewish people.
2. Jesus Christ, regarded by Christians as fulfilling this promise
and expectation. John 4:25, 26.
John 1:40-41
40 One of the two who heard John speak and followed Him, was
Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.
41 He found first his own brother Simon and said to him, "We have
found the Messiah" (which translated means Christ).
John 4:24-25
24 "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit
and truth."
25 The woman said to Him, "I know that Messiah is coming, He who
is called Christ; when that One comes, He will declare all things
to us."
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Peace!
Sincerely,
Ben mitts :)
"If God seems far away,... who moved"
"Feed your faith,.... Starve your doubts"
From The Word of God: And as Moses lifted up the serpent
in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted
up; that whoever believes may in Him have eternal life."
Similarly, God so loved the world, that He gave His only
begotten Son, that who ever believes in Him should not
perish, but Have eternal life. Another: God did not send
the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the
world should be saved through Him. He spoke elsewhere:
I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me
shall live, even if he dies, and everyone who lives and
believes in Me shall never die. Believe you this?
Therefore we may, as many will to do so: "But as many as
received Him, to them He gave the right to become child-
ren of God, even to those who believe in His name,"
(John 1:12)
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| User: "Mark T moi@home087587647899087934000000000" |
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23 Apr 2007 06:45:28 PM |
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"Ben Mitts" <benmitts@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Find out what Messiah / Christ MEANS!!!!
Messiah, definition
Look at what the JEWS say since JESUS WAS JEWISH!!!!!
NOTHING about the Messiah being God himself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"MESSIAH" from THE JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=510&letter=M&search=...
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The Name.
The name or title of the ideal king of the Messianic age; used
also without the article as a proper name-"Mashia?" (in the Babylonian
Talmud and in the midrash literature), like ??????? in the Gospels. The
Grecized ??????? of the New Testament (John i. 41, iv. 25) is a
transliteration of the Aramaic form, Aramaic being the spoken language of
Palestine in the time of Jesus. "The Messiah" (with the article and not in
apposition with another word) is, however, not an Old Testament expression,
but occurs for the first time in apocalyptic literature. Similarly, in all
probability the use of the word "Mashia?" to denote the Messianic king is
not found earlier than the apocalyptic literature. In the Old Testament the
earliest use of the word is with Yhwh (or with a pronominal suffix referring
to Yhwh) as a title of the ruling sovereign Meshia? Yhwh ("God's anointed
one"; I Sam. ii. 10, 35; xii. 3, 5; xvi. 6; xxvi. 9, 11, 16, 23; II Sam. i.
14, 16; xix. 21; II Chron. vi. 42; Ps. xviii. 51 [A. V. 50]; xx. 7 [A. V.
6]; cxxxii. 17 [applying to David]; Lam. iv. 20). In post-exilic times, the
high priest, filling the place formerly occupied by the king, is spoken of
as "ha-Kohen ha-Mashia?" (the anointed priest; Lev. iv. 3, 5, 16; vi. 5),
also (Dan. ix. 25, 26) as "Mashia? Nagid" (an anointed one, a ruler) and
simply "Mashia?" (an anointed one), referring to Onias III. As the anointing
of the high priest consecrated him above all his brethren to God's service
and gave him immediate access to God (comp. Lev. viii. 12, xxi. 10-12; Zech.
iii. 7), so the anointing of the king made him Meshia? Yhwh, placed him in a
special relationship to God, and established him as the one chosen by God to
represent His rulership in Israel and to bear witness to His glory before
the nations (comp. II Sam. vii. 8-11, 14; Isa. lv. 4; Ps. lxxxix. 4, 21-29).
As "God's anointed one" the king was sacrosanct and inviolable (comp. I Sam.
xxvi. 9). Hence the later applications of the title "Meshia? Yhwh" in the
Old Testament.
In Isa. xlv. 1 Cyrus is called "God's anointed one," because God has called
him and given him victory after victory for the distinct purpose of putting
an end to the Babylonian kingdom and the worship of idols, of setting free
exiled Israel, and thus introducing the new era of God's universal dominion.
In Ps. cv. 15 the Patriarchs are called "God's anointed ones" because they
are under the special protection of God and therefore inviolable. Finally,
in Hab. iii. 13, Ps. xxviii. 8, lxxxiv. 10 (A. V.9), and possibly in lxxxix.
39, 52 (A. V. 38, 51), the title is applied to Israel, God's chosen people.
See Anointing.
"Mashia?" (anointed one of God) in Ps. ii. 2, which was formerly thought to
have Messianic reference, is now taken as referring either to a Hasmonean
king or to Israel. The latter interpretation is that prevailing in the
Midrash (comp. Midr. Rabbah and Tan?uma, Emor; Yal?u?, Toledot, near end;
Midr. Sho?er ?ob, ad loc.), though the Messianic interpretation occurs in
the eschatological description (Pesi?. Zu?arta, Bala?).
The Ideal in Isaiah.
But though the name is of later origin, the idea of a personal Messiah runs
through the Old Testament. It is the natural outcome of the prophetic future
hope. The first prophet to give a detailed picture of the future ideal king
was Isaiah (ix. 1-6, xi. 1-10, xxxii. 1-5). Of late the authenticity of
these passages, and also of those passages in Jeremiah and Ezekiel which
give expression to the hope in a Messiah, has been disputed by various
Biblical scholars (comp. Hackmann, "Die Zukunftserwartung des Jesaiah";
Volz, "Die Vorexilische Jahweprophetie und der Messias"; Marti, "Gesch. der
Israelitischen Religion," pp. 190 et seq.; idem, "Das Buch Jesaia"; Cheyne,
"Introduction to Isaiah," and edition and transl. of Isaiah in "S. B. O.
T.").
The objections of these scholars, however, rest principally on the
hypothesis that the idea of the Messiah is inseparably bound up with the
desire for universal dominion, whereas, in reality, this feature is not a
characteristic of the Messianic hope until a later stage of its development.
The ideal king to whom Isaiah looks forward will be a scion of the stock of
Jesse, on whom will rest the spirit of God as a spirit of wisdom, valor, and
religion, and who will rule in the fear of God, his loins girt with
righteousness and faithfulness (xi. 1-3a, 5). He will not engage in war or
in the conquest of nations; the paraphernalia of war will be destroyed (ix.
4); his sole concern will be to establish justice among his people (ix. 6b;
xi. 3b, 4). The fruit of his righteous government will be peace and order
throughout the land. The lamb will not dread the wolf, nor will the leopard
harm the kid (xi. 8); that is, as the following verse explains, tyranny and
violence will no longer be practised on God's holy mountain, for the land
will be full of the knowledge of God as the water covers the sea (comp.
xxxii. 1, 2, 16). The people will not aspire to political greatness, but
will lead a pastoral life (xxxii. 18, 20). Under such ideal conditions the
country can not but prosper, nor need it fear attack from outside nations
(ix. 6a, xxxii. 15). The newly risen scion of Jesse will stand forth as a
beacon to other nations, and they will come to him for guidance and
arbitration (xi. 10). He will rightly be called "Wonderful Counselor,"
"Godlike Hero," "Constant Father," "Prince of Peace" (ix. 5).
The "Immanuel" Passage.
This picture of the future fully accords with Isaiah's view, that the
judgment will lead to a spiritual regeneration and bring about a state of
moral and religious perfection; and it agrees also with the doctrine, which,
in his bitter opposition to the alliances with Assyria and Egypt, he
preached to his people-the doctrine, namely, that their sole concern should
be God and their sole reliance be on Him, for thus, and thus only, might
they endure (vii. 9; comp. also v. 4, viii. 13, xxx. 15). The prophets
advocated a government which would be in conformity with God's will and be
regulated by His laws of righteousness. In connection with Isaiah's
Messianic hope it remains to be observed that the "Immanuel" passage, Isa.
vii. 14, which is interpreted in Matt. i. 23 as referring to the birth of
Jesus, has, as Robertson Smith ("The Prophets of Israel," pp. 271 et seq.,
426 et seq.) and others have pointed out, no Messianic import whatever. The
name has reference merely to events of the immediate present. He means to
give a token by which the truth of his prophetic word may be tested, saying
that any young woman giving birth to a son in the near future will call him
"Immanuel" (= "God with us"), in remembrance of the withdrawal of the
Syrian-Ephraimitic armies from the country (v. 16). "'Almah" does not mean
"virgin" (as given in A. V. and other versions; the only word meaning this
is "betulah"), but "a young woman sexually mature," whether married or
unmarried; the article "ha-" of "ha-'almah" is the generic article.
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from
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=510&letter=M&search=...
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"God was IN Christ" (2 Cor. 5:19-21) NOT "God WAS Christ"
--
A Trew Kristyun is a deranged individual living in the current
Fundamentalist Dark Age who believes:
- The One God Yahweh is really three gods.
- Jesus, a finite Jew from Nazareth, is the infinite One God Yahweh
- A human sacrifice was required by God because God needs blood, gore and
guts in order to forgive sins.
- The Bible, a collection of fallible ancient Near Eastern books / letters /
myths, is "God's word" and inerrant
--
My Blog - - my thoughts on Christianity/ song covers & pics & links
http://www.blognow.com.au/strooth/
My Soundclick Page - download my original songs in mp3 format
http://www.soundclick.com/marktindall
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25 Apr 2007 05:55:57 AM |
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:45:28 +1000, "Mark T" <moi@home087587647899087934000000000> wrote:
"Ben Mitts" <benmitts@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Find out what Messiah / Christ MEANS!!!!
Messiah, definition
Look at what the JEWS say since JESUS WAS JEWISH!!!!!
The jews are not of God.
_JOH 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue
in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
_JOH 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for
I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent
me.
_JOH 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will
do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because
there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for
he is a liar, and the father of it.
Barry
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Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
I do not represent atheists or atheism
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| User: "Ben Mitts" |
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| Title: Re: God Made It Plain |
23 Apr 2007 11:04:47 AM |
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Mark T wrote:
"Ben Mitts" <benmitts@sbcglobal.net> wroteth:
God made the Biblical way of salvation plain
CORRECT!!!!
"Look unto Me [YAHWEH], and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth; for I
[YAHWEH] am God, and there is none else [INCLUDING JESUS OF >>NAZARETH]."
Isaiah 45:21
About God same as what Mark T wrote
From the NASB:
Isiah (sic) 45:21
Why can't fundamentalists spell?
From the Jewish Bible ....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Declare ye, and bring them near, yea, let them take counsel together: Who
hath announced this from ancient time, and declared it of old? Have not I
HaShem? And there is no G-d else beside Me, a just G-d and a Saviour; there
is none beside Me.
from http://www.breslov.com/bible/Isaiah45.htm#1
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HaShem = Yahweh NOT Jesus of Nazareth
Now what does the New Testament say about Jesus?
"God was IN Christ" (2 Cor. 5:19-21) NOT "God WAS Christ"
i.e. Yahweh was in Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus of Nazareth was NOT Yahweh.
Then God spoke all these words. He said: 'I am Yahweh your God who brought
you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have NO
GODS (INCLUDING JESUS) EXCEPT ME.' - Exodus 20: 1-2
Did Jesus of Nazareth bring the people of Israel out of Egypt? Prove it.
That's the ONLY way you can prove that the human Jesus of Nazareth is the
the infinite ONE God Yahweh. It comes from the 10 Commandments. Are the 10
Commandments wrong????? ;-)
Luke 2:11...
Christ the Lord.
i.e. GOD's anointed HUMAN Messiah NOT God himself!
Find out what Messiah / Christ MEANS!!!!
You blew it Mark T and you aren't man enough to admit it!
You mus not be very trustworthy! Deliberately, as usual,
you rewrite any message that shows you to be wrong!
Finely done Mark T you wear you life as shown out here
very well, very well indeed.
Col 2:9
6 Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord,
so walk in Him,
7 having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him
and established in your faith, just as you were instructed,
and overflowing with gratitude.
8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy
and empty deception, according to the tradition of men,
according to the elementary principles of the world, rather
than according to Christ.
9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
Matt 1:23
21 "She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for
He will save His people from their sins."
22 Now all this took place to fulfill what was spoken by the Lord
through the prophet:
23 "BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL
BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL,
"which translated means, "GOD WITH US."
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Peace!
Sincerely,
Ben mitts :)
"If God seems far away,... who moved"
"Feed your faith,.... Starve your doubts"
From The Word of God: And as Moses lifted up the serpent
in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted
up; that whoever believes may in Him have eternal life."
Similarly, God so loved the world, that He gave His only
begotten Son, that who ever believes in Him should not
perish, but Have eternal life. Another: God did not send
the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the
world should be saved through Him. He spoke elsewhere:
I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me
shall live, even if he dies, and everyone who lives and
believes in Me shall never die. Believe you this?
Therefore we may, as many will to do so: "But as many as
received Him, to them He gave the right to become child-
ren of God, even to those who believe in His name,"
(John 1:12)
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| User: "Mark T moi@home087587647899087934000000000" |
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| Title: Re: God Made It Plain |
23 Apr 2007 06:42:14 PM |
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"Ben Mitts" <benmitts@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Isiah (sic) 45:21
Why can't fundamentalists spell?
....
Then God spoke all these words. He said: 'I am Yahweh your God who
brought
you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have
NO
GODS (INCLUDING JESUS) EXCEPT ME.' - Exodus 20: 1-2
Did Jesus of Nazareth bring the people of Israel out of Egypt? Prove it.
That's the ONLY way you can prove that the human Jesus of Nazareth is the
the infinite ONE God Yahweh. It comes from the 10 Commandments. Are the
10 Commandments wrong????? ;-)
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Finely (sic) done Mark T you wear you (sic) life as shown out here
very well, very well indeed.
Why can't fundamentalists spell?????????????????????????????
You haven't answered the question. This is one of the great mysteries of
life.
Poor widdle Bent Boy can't answer Exodus 20: 1-2 because it is a very
persuasive argument. It means that you are worshipping ANOTHER god rather
than Yahweh. In Old Testament times fundamentalists would have been stoned
to death for worshipping a human such as Jesus instead of Yahweh.
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"God was IN Christ" (2 Cor. 5:19-21) NOT "God WAS Christ"
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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| Title: Re: God Made It Plain |
25 Apr 2007 05:55:56 AM |
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:09:54 +1000, "Mark T" <moi@home087587647899087934000000000> wrote:
"Ben Mitts" <benmitts@sbcglobal.net> wroteth:
God made the Biblical way of salvation plain
CORRECT!!!!
"Look unto Me [YAHWEH], and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth; for I
[YAHWEH] am God, and there is none else [INCLUDING JESUS OF >>NAZARETH]."
Isaiah 45:21
About God same as what Mark T wrote
From the NASB:
Isiah (sic) 45:21
Why can't fundamentalists spell?
They are uneducated, like you.
Why can't the fundamentalist Mark T spell?
Barry
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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25 Apr 2007 05:55:56 AM |
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 04:29:22 GMT, "Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote:
God made the Biblical way of salvation plain
thru the Lord Jesus Christ to the Reformers
in the Protestant Reformation 500 years ago:
Place all trust on Jesus Christ for salvation.
I can't trust God to save us from himself.
It was God who caused all the trouble.
We need to......bomb......heaven.
Barry
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