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"josh" |
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01 Jul 2007 06:36:14 AM |
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God sends floods as a memo |
According to today's papers, the Bishop of Carlisle and others are saying
that the recent floods (in particular last week's floods in the North of
England) were sent by God as a reminder of our profligate use of the planet
and a punishment for the acceptance of gay marriage.
A few questions
1 How does this god of love justify killing the five or so people drowned
by the flood?
2 If he is complaining about the squandering of Earth's resources, why,
for example, did he put oil under the ground in the first place?
3 Is it worth having a weather forecasting service if God is going to
break the laws of nature and invalidate the observations? (Though I suspect
that the records strangely don't look tinkered with...)
4 Where exactly does it say in the Bible that gay people cannot get
married?
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| User: "James" |
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| Title: Re: God sends floods as a memo |
26 Aug 2007 12:11:55 PM |
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"josh" <jillywoods@abcjillywoods.karoo.co.uk>
Re: God sends floods as a memo
According to today's papers, the Bishop of Carlisle and others are saying
that the recent floods (in particular last week's floods in the North of
England) were sent by God as a reminder of our profligate use of the planet
and a punishment for the acceptance of gay marriage.
A few questions
1 How does this god of love justify killing the five or so people drowned
by the flood?
2 If he is complaining about the squandering of Earth's resources, why,
for example, did he put oil under the ground in the first place?
3 Is it worth having a weather forecasting service if God is going to
break the laws of nature and invalidate the observations? (Though I suspect
that the records strangely don't look tinkered with...)
4 Where exactly does it say in the Bible that gay people cannot get
married?
Hello,
The good Bishop probably needs to grab his Bible more than his Church
Catechism, to find answers for today's world.
The Bible tells us why such things can occur. Ec 9:11,
"I have seen something else under the sun: The race is not to the
swift or the battle to the strong, nor does food come to the wise or
wealth to the brilliant or favor to the learned; but time and chance
happen to them all." (NIV)
Yes, random chance effects all of us, and many times that is what
causes such deaths, not God. Of course sometimes it is bad decisions
by humans. (such as building on land known to frequently flood, etc)
Concerning homosexuality, the Bible does not approve of that
lifestyle. It is quite clear on this, both in the OT and NT. Here is
some Bible proof: OT: Le 18:22,
"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."
(NIV)
Le 20:13,
"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have
done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will
be on their own heads." (NIV)
NT:
Ro 1:26,27,
"26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their
women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the men
likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with
passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and
receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (RSV)
1 Ti 1:9,10,
"realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but
for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners,
for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or
mothers, for murderers 10 and immoral men and homosexuals and
kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to
sound teaching," (NASB)
1 Co 6:9-11,
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor
adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor
thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will
inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But
you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name
of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." (NIV)
Notice again verse 11, "And that is what some of you were. But you
were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of
the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
So it is possible for a homosexual to change, if they so choose to.
Sincerely, James
**If you wish to have a discussion with me, please use email since I
do not follow ng threads
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26 Aug 2007 12:49:18 PM |
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On Aug 26, 1:11 pm, James <bir...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
"josh" <jillywo...@abcjillywoods.karoo.co.uk>
Re: God sends floods as a memo
According to today's papers, the Bishop of Carlisle and others are saying
that the recent floods (in particular last week's floods in the North of
England) were sent by God as a reminder of our profligate use of the planet
and a punishment for the acceptance of gay marriage.
A few questions
1 How does this god of love justify killing the five or so people drowned
by the flood?
2 If he is complaining about the squandering of Earth's resources, why,
for example, did he put oil under the ground in the first place?
3 Is it worth having a weather forecasting service if God is going to
break the laws of nature and invalidate the observations? (Though I suspect
that the records strangely don't look tinkered with...)
4 Where exactly does it say in the Bible that gay people cannot get
married?
Hello,
The good Bishop probably needs to grab his Bible
The Christian bible is not historical, accurate, or true.
http://tinyurl.com/2vhs39
http://tinyurl.com/2kg43d
http://tinyurl.com/3ay5hm
http://tinyurl.com/2wskdr
It is nothing but a collection of the fables and dietary laws of an
ancient, superstitious people. The only thing the Bible "proves" is
that ancient priests were just as afraid of an honest day's work as
modern ones are.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html\
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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26 Aug 2007 10:23:29 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:49:18 -0700, wrote:
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html\
We only need to look at our own leaders to see how true that is.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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26 Aug 2007 10:20:40 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:11:55 -0400, James <bireda@peoplepc.com> wrote:
Concerning homosexuality, the Bible does not approve of that
lifestyle. It is quite clear on this, both in the OT and NT. Here is
some Bible proof: OT: Le 18:22,
"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."
(NIV)
Le 20:13,
"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have
done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will
be on their own heads." (NIV)
NT:
Ro 1:26,27,
"26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their
women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the men
likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with
passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and
receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (RSV)
1 Ti 1:9,10,
"realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but
for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners,
for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or
mothers, for murderers 10 and immoral men and homosexuals and
kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to
sound teaching," (NASB)
1 Co 6:9-11,
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor
adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor
thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will
inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But
you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name
of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." (NIV)
Notice again verse 11, "And that is what some of you were. But you
were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of
the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
All of that has to do with having sex with someone of the same gender.
None of it has to do with homosexuality. Or don't you know the
difference?
So it is possible for a homosexual to change, if they so choose to.
Just as possible as it would be for you to change. Are you claiming
that you could become homosexual if you chose to? (Not that you could
have sex with a man - that you could PREFER to have sex with a man and
find sex with a woman to be disgusting. Do you really think you could
choose that?)
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| User: "CobraChill" |
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04 Jul 2007 01:11:31 AM |
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On Jul 1, 5:36 am, "josh" <jillywo...@abcjillywoods.karoo.co.uk>
wrote:
According to today's papers, the Bishop of Carlisle and others are saying
that the recent floods (in particular last week's floods in the North of
England) were sent by God as a reminder of our profligate use of the planet
and a punishment for the acceptance of gay marriage.
A few questions
1 How does this god of love justify killing the five or so people drowned
by the flood?
2 If he is complaining about the squandering of Earth's resources, why,
for example, did he put oil under the ground in the first place?
3 Is it worth having a weather forecasting service if God is going to
break the laws of nature and invalidate the observations? (Though I suspect
that the records strangely don't look tinkered with...)
4 Where exactly does it say in the Bible that gay people cannot get
married?
The Proverbs 1:31 Thereforeshall they eat the fruit of their own
ways,
and be filled with their own devices.
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| User: "bob young" |
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04 Jul 2007 04:59:01 AM |
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CobraChill wrote:
On Jul 1, 5:36 am, "josh" <jillywo...@abcjillywoods.karoo.co.uk>
wrote:
According to today's papers, the Bishop of Carlisle and others are saying
that the recent floods (in particular last week's floods in the North of
England) were sent by God as a reminder of our profligate use of the planet
and a punishment for the acceptance of gay marriage.
A few questions
1 How does this god of love justify killing the five or so people drowned
by the flood?
2 If he is complaining about the squandering of Earth's resources, why,
for example, did he put oil under the ground in the first place?
3 Is it worth having a weather forecasting service if God is going to
break the laws of nature and invalidate the observations? (Though I suspect
that the records strangely don't look tinkered with...)
4 Where exactly does it say in the Bible that gay people cannot get
married?
The Proverbs 1:31 Thereforeshall they eat the fruit of their own
ways,
and be filled with their own devices.
What a wonderful reply, I am overwhelmed by the level of your intellect
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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01 Jul 2007 08:46:08 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 12:36:14 +0100, josh wrote:
According to today's papers, the Bishop of Carlisle and others are
saying that the recent floods (in particular last week's floods in the
North of England) were sent by God as a reminder of our profligate use
of the planet and a punishment for the acceptance of gay marriage.
A few questions
1 How does this god of love justify killing the five or so people
drowned by the flood?
2 If he is complaining about the squandering of Earth's resources,
why, for example, did he put oil under the ground in the first place?
3 Is it worth having a weather forecasting service if God is going to
break the laws of nature and invalidate the observations? (Though I
suspect that the records strangely don't look tinkered with...)
4 Where exactly does it say in the Bible that gay people cannot get
married?
5 Why can't an all powerful, all knowing being send clearly understood
messages rather than vague, ambiguous ones interpreted a dozen different
ways by his self-appointed followers?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Bill M" |
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01 Jul 2007 11:30:27 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:WMydnVGCXc-9LRrbnZ2dnUVZ_rrinZ2d@giganews.com...
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 12:36:14 +0100, josh wrote:
According to today's papers, the Bishop of Carlisle and others are
saying that the recent floods (in particular last week's floods in the
North of England) were sent by God as a reminder of our profligate use
of the planet and a punishment for the acceptance of gay marriage.
A few questions
1 How does this god of love justify killing the five or so people
drowned by the flood?
2 If he is complaining about the squandering of Earth's resources,
why, for example, did he put oil under the ground in the first place?
3 Is it worth having a weather forecasting service if God is going to
break the laws of nature and invalidate the observations? (Though I
suspect that the records strangely don't look tinkered with...)
4 Where exactly does it say in the Bible that gay people cannot get
married?
5 Why can't an all powerful, all knowing being send clearly understood
messages rather than vague, ambiguous ones interpreted a dozen different
ways by his self-appointed followers?
He can't because he is purely the figment of peoples imagination.
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| User: "James" |
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26 Aug 2007 12:37:15 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo>
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 12:36:14 +0100, josh wrote:
According to today's papers, the Bishop of Carlisle and others are
saying that the recent floods (in particular last week's floods in the
North of England) were sent by God as a reminder of our profligate use
of the planet and a punishment for the acceptance of gay marriage.
A few questions
1 How does this god of love justify killing the five or so people
drowned by the flood?
2 If he is complaining about the squandering of Earth's resources,
why, for example, did he put oil under the ground in the first place?
3 Is it worth having a weather forecasting service if God is going to
break the laws of nature and invalidate the observations? (Though I
suspect that the records strangely don't look tinkered with...)
4 Where exactly does it say in the Bible that gay people cannot get
married?
5 Why can't an all powerful, all knowing being send clearly understood
messages rather than vague, ambiguous ones interpreted a dozen different
ways by his self-appointed followers?
Hello,
Many messages in the Bible are very clear. Such that random chance can
cause those flood deaths, not God. (see Ec 9:11 and my posted answer
to josh)
Other clear messages are things like Mt 19:19,
"...Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." (KJV)
Just think of the tremendous impact on humanity, if all humans just
followed that one simple command by Jesus. And you don't even have to
be a rocket scientist to understand what Jesus said here.
But of course many don't follow that simple command, so here we are
today in this messed up world.
But yes, the Bible does have things that can be hard to understand.
Why did God have them written in such a way?
Jesus gives us a clue.
For a long time Jesus would only talk to people using parables. And
not all parables are easy to understand unless the words in them are
defined by the speaker. So why didn't Jesus always talk plain and
simple to the people? Mt 13:13-16,
"13. "Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they
do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they
understand.
14. "And in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled,
which says,
`You will keep on hearing, but will not understand;
15. For the heart of this people has become dull,
16. "But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears,
because they hear." (NASB)
Did you get the point Jesus was making here? He is telling us that God
is not calling people who deep down do NOT want to serve Him. Thus
they will find reasons, including twisting the Scriptures in some way,
in order to justify their anti-Bible, anti-God, position. The Bible
thus acts like a filter, filtering out those who do not want to love
God out of a pure heart etc. As this Scripture puts it at Heb 4:12,
"For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any
double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit,
joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart."
(NIV)
Yes, the Bible itself is designed to do "dividing" work, and can judge
the heart of a person. That is why not all the Bible is in plain and
simple words.
Sincerely, James
**If you wish to have a discussion with me, please use email since I
do not follow ng threads
***********************************
Want a Free home Bible study?
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Go to the authorized source:
http://www.watchtower.org
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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26 Aug 2007 10:38:06 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:37:15 -0400, James <bireda@peoplepc.com> wrote:
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Many messages in the Bible are very clear.
God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and
evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats
the forbidden fruit (3:6) and yet lives for another 930 years (5:5).
Yeah, very bloody 'clear'.
You idiot.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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26 Aug 2007 10:21:35 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:37:15 -0400, James <bireda@peoplepc.com> wrote:
Yes, the Bible itself is designed to do "dividing" work, and can judge
the heart of a person.
The Bible may be able to - Christians are ordered not to.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Aug 2007 07:50:20 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:37:15 -0400, James wrote:
Want a Free home Bible study?
No.
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
No.
Go to the authorized source:
No.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Gary Eickmeier" |
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01 Jul 2007 09:10:44 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 12:36:14 +0100, josh wrote:
According to today's papers, the Bishop of Carlisle and others are
saying that the recent floods (in particular last week's floods in the
North of England) were sent by God as a reminder of our profligate use
of the planet and a punishment for the acceptance of gay marriage.
A few questions
1 How does this god of love justify killing the five or so people
drowned by the flood?
2 If he is complaining about the squandering of Earth's resources,
why, for example, did he put oil under the ground in the first place?
3 Is it worth having a weather forecasting service if God is going to
break the laws of nature and invalidate the observations? (Though I
suspect that the records strangely don't look tinkered with...)
4 Where exactly does it say in the Bible that gay people cannot get
married?
5 Why can't an all powerful, all knowing being send clearly understood
messages rather than vague, ambiguous ones interpreted a dozen different
ways by his self-appointed followers?
Everything seems to go on as if there were no intervention from any
being, supreme or otherwise. We can only sit down here and guess,
suppose, and theorize.
Gary Eickmeier
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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01 Jul 2007 09:27:37 PM |
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On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 10:10:44 -0400, Gary Eickmeier
<geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Everything seems to go on as if there were no intervention from any
being, supreme or otherwise. We can only sit down here and guess,
suppose, and theorize.
Why should we? There's nothing to guess, suppose, and theorize
*about*.
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| User: "Gary Eickmeier" |
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01 Jul 2007 10:31:08 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 10:10:44 -0400, Gary Eickmeier
<geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Everything seems to go on as if there were no intervention from any
being, supreme or otherwise. We can only sit down here and guess,
suppose, and theorize.
Why should we? There's nothing to guess, suppose, and theorize
*about*.
We're talking about a supreme being controlling what happens on Earth.
These people are trying to figure out whether natural disasters are
caused by their sins. I know it sounds silly, but...
Gary Eickmeier
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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02 Jul 2007 07:33:30 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 23:31:08 -0400, Gary Eickmeier
<geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 10:10:44 -0400, Gary Eickmeier
<geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Everything seems to go on as if there were no intervention from any
being, supreme or otherwise. We can only sit down here and guess,
suppose, and theorize.
Why should we? There's nothing to guess, suppose, and theorize
*about*.
We're talking about a supreme being controlling what happens on Earth.
We're talking about someone's CLAIM that one does. That's not the
same as reality. It's not even in the same universe as reality.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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02 Jul 2007 11:08:22 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 23:31:08 -0400, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 10:10:44 -0400, Gary Eickmeier
<geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Everything seems to go on as if there were no intervention from any
being, supreme or otherwise. We can only sit down here and guess,
suppose, and theorize.
Why should we? There's nothing to guess, suppose, and theorize
*about*.
We're talking about a supreme being controlling what happens on Earth.
These people are trying to figure out whether natural disasters are
caused by their sins. I know it sounds silly, but...
Sounds silly only because it *is.
Suppose--for sake of argument--there was a being that directed disasters
to "punish" sinners. Shouldn't the "saved" be spared? It's all through
the OT that when "god" did this, he at least warned the good folks to get
their butts outta town.
I'd find it much more impressive if when, say, a plane went down, the
Christians emerged from the wreckage without a scratch rather than having
their body parts scattered over whole counties like everybody else on the
plane...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll
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| User: "Gary Eickmeier" |
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02 Jul 2007 08:05:41 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Suppose--for sake of argument--there was a being that directed disasters
to "punish" sinners. Shouldn't the "saved" be spared? It's all through
the OT that when "god" did this, he at least warned the good folks to get
their butts outta town.
It's interesting that God stopped talking to us about 3000 years ago.
Gary Eickmeier
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| User: "L.T. David" |
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02 Jul 2007 09:20:03 PM |
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"Gary Eickmeier" <geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4689a0cc$0$4736$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Suppose--for sake of argument--there was a being that directed disasters
to "punish" sinners. Shouldn't the "saved" be spared? It's all through
the OT that when "god" did this, he at least warned the good folks to get
their butts outta town.
It's interesting that God stopped talking to us about 3000 years ago.
Gary Eickmeier
Isn't it interesing that there are people who still believe a God actually
spoke to a people some 3000 years ago. He he no longer does can only mean he
never did.
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| User: "Gary Eickmeier" |
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03 Jul 2007 10:57:07 PM |
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L.T. David wrote:
Isn't it interesing that there are people who still believe a God actually
spoke to a people some 3000 years ago. He he no longer does can only mean he
never did.
Isn't it even more interesting that he had a "favorite" race of people?
And he led them out of bondage from Egypt and they couldn't find their
***** with both hands for 40 years? And when they finally stumbled upon
the "Holy" land, they got conquered over and over again until they were
a suburb of Rome? And then these chosen people... well, I could go on...
Gary Eickmeier
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| User: "Hatter" |
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27 Aug 2007 02:34:50 PM |
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On Jul 2, 12:08 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 23:31:08 -0400, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 10:10:44 -0400, Gary Eickmeier
<geick...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Everything seems to go on as if there were no intervention from any
being, supreme or otherwise. We can only sit down here and guess,
suppose, and theorize.
Why should we? There's nothing to guess, suppose, and theorize
*about*.
We're talking about a supreme being controlling what happens on Earth.
These people are trying to figure out whether natural disasters are
caused by their sins. I know it sounds silly, but...
Sounds silly only because it *is.
Suppose--for sake of argument--there was a being that directed disasters
to "punish" sinners. Shouldn't the "saved" be spared? It's all through
the OT that when "god" did this, he at least warned the good folks to get
their butts outta town.
I'd find it much more impressive if when, say, a plane went down, the
Christians emerged from the wreckage without a scratch rather than having
their body parts scattered over whole counties like everybody else on the
plane...
Then the stars rearranged themselves Into saying "the just will be
saved" in every language immediately following it.
You'd bet your sweet ***** I wouldn't be an atheist then. The memo would
be clear
..
However, every memo claimed to be sent seems, to every measure known
to logic, absolutely the same as if the prayer and relative just- or
unjustness of the country didn't matter.
Every time since independent verification of claims has been possible.
God, used to send plaugue and part seas, now were lucky to get a fuzzy
image of a face in a tortilla.
Hatter
Hatter
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: God sends floods as a memo |
27 Aug 2007 06:39:56 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:34:50 -0000, Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:
However, every memo claimed to be sent seems, to every measure known
to logic, absolutely the same as if the prayer and relative just- or
unjustness of the country didn't matter.
And every memo is only a memo in retrospect. We have a whole book of
"prophesies" we're supposed to believe - the end of the world, a dead
man rising from the dead and returning to us - but the only "memos" we
ever get are "postphesies". If someone would tell us, "there's going
to be a force 5 hurricane striking Galveston on September 23, 2007" -
and it actually happened on that date - it might be the beginning of a
string of prophesies that could be believed. But so far, not a single
unambiguous before-the-fate prophesy that we can verify has come true.
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: God sends floods as a memo |
27 Aug 2007 09:11:24 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:34:50 -0000, Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 2, 12:08 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 23:31:08 -0400, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 10:10:44 -0400, Gary Eickmeier
<geick...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Everything seems to go on as if there were no intervention from any
being, supreme or otherwise. We can only sit down here and guess,
suppose, and theorize.
Why should we? There's nothing to guess, suppose, and theorize
*about*.
We're talking about a supreme being controlling what happens on Earth.
These people are trying to figure out whether natural disasters are
caused by their sins. I know it sounds silly, but...
Sounds silly only because it *is.
Suppose--for sake of argument--there was a being that directed disasters
to "punish" sinners. Shouldn't the "saved" be spared? It's all through
the OT that when "god" did this, he at least warned the good folks to get
their butts outta town.
I'd find it much more impressive if when, say, a plane went down, the
Christians emerged from the wreckage without a scratch rather than having
their body parts scattered over whole counties like everybody else on the
plane...
Then the stars rearranged themselves Into saying "the just will be
saved" in every language immediately following it.
You'd bet your sweet ***** I wouldn't be an atheist then. The memo would
be clear
.
However, every memo claimed to be sent seems, to every measure known
to logic, absolutely the same as if the prayer and relative just- or
unjustness of the country didn't matter.
Every time since independent verification of claims has been possible.
God, used to send plaugue and part seas, now were lucky to get a fuzzy
image of a face in a tortilla.
Hatter
Hatter
To be fair, in this modern age people can claim that the images of a parting sea
were doctored or that a plague was nothing more than a coincidence of some
natural disaster/event. But if you can literally hand some one the actual
grilled cheese sandwich..... ;-)
Ben
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: God sends floods as a memo |
27 Aug 2007 10:22:04 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:11:24 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:
To be fair, in this modern age people can claim that the images of a parting sea
were doctored or that a plague was nothing more than a coincidence of some
natural disaster/event. But if you can literally hand some one the actual
grilled cheese sandwich..... ;-)
If the sandwich itself talked ... in a screen room ... I might be a
little impressed.
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: God sends floods as a memo |
27 Aug 2007 11:33:16 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:22:04 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:11:24 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:
To be fair, in this modern age people can claim that the images of a parting sea
were doctored or that a plague was nothing more than a coincidence of some
natural disaster/event. But if you can literally hand some one the actual
grilled cheese sandwich..... ;-)
If the sandwich itself talked ... in a screen room ... I might be a
little impressed.
But what if it lied about its military service? :-)
Ben
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: God sends floods as a memo |
28 Aug 2007 12:37:15 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:33:16 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:22:04 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:11:24 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:
To be fair, in this modern age people can claim that the images of a parting sea
were doctored or that a plague was nothing more than a coincidence of some
natural disaster/event. But if you can literally hand some one the actual
grilled cheese sandwich..... ;-)
If the sandwich itself talked ... in a screen room ... I might be a
little impressed.
But what if it lied about its military service? :-)
A REPUBLICAN sandwich?
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| User: "Hatter" |
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| Title: Re: God sends floods as a memo |
28 Aug 2007 01:11:50 PM |
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On Aug 28, 1:37 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:33:16 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-doll...@pobox.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:22:04 -0400, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:11:24 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-doll...@pobox.com> wrote:
To be fair, in this modern age people can claim that the images of a parting sea
were doctored or that a plague was nothing more than a coincidence of some
natural disaster/event. But if you can literally hand some one the actual
grilled cheese sandwich..... ;-)
If the sandwich itself talked ... in a screen room ... I might be a
little impressed.
But what if it lied about its military service? :-)
A REPUBLICAN sandwich?
That's your order sir? Good.
That's a whole lot of Pork between two slices of Wry observations
wrapped in the American flag, one sour pickle, and the chargent to one
of your decendents with interest, and can wipe you mouth on the bill
of rights when your done
Hatter
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: God sends floods as a memo |
28 Aug 2007 01:58:32 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:37:15 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:33:16 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:22:04 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:11:24 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:
To be fair, in this modern age people can claim that the images of a parting sea
were doctored or that a plague was nothing more than a coincidence of some
natural disaster/event. But if you can literally hand some one the actual
grilled cheese sandwich..... ;-)
If the sandwich itself talked ... in a screen room ... I might be a
little impressed.
But what if it lied about its military service? :-)
A REPUBLICAN sandwich?
Yes, chicken hawk salad on rye^H^H^H white bread.
Ben
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: God sends floods as a memo |
28 Aug 2007 04:56:59 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:58:32 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:37:15 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:33:16 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:22:04 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:11:24 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:
To be fair, in this modern age people can claim that the images of a parting sea
were doctored or that a plague was nothing more than a coincidence of some
natural disaster/event. But if you can literally hand some one the actual
grilled cheese sandwich..... ;-)
If the sandwich itself talked ... in a screen room ... I might be a
little impressed.
But what if it lied about its military service? :-)
A REPUBLICAN sandwich?
Yes, chicken hawk salad on rye^H^H^H white bread.
Lye bread?
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: God sends floods as a memo |
28 Aug 2007 03:00:39 AM |
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:33:16 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:22:04 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:11:24 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:
To be fair, in this modern age people can claim that the images of a parting sea
were doctored or that a plague was nothing more than a coincidence of some
natural disaster/event. But if you can literally hand some one the actual
grilled cheese sandwich..... ;-)
If the sandwich itself talked ... in a screen room ... I might be a
little impressed.
But what if it lied about its military service? :-)
It would be voted President.
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