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Topic:	Religions > Bible
User:	"Craig Chilton -- Help to Make the USA Bigotry-FREE!"
Date:	30 Jun 2006 01:43:28 PM
Object:	Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality

Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:36:02 +0000
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality
at Log Cabin Republicans Dinner in Los Angeles
(Los Angeles, CA) - An overflow crowd of over 375 people joined
special guests Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and first lady
Maria Shriver at an event to support the work of Log Cabin
Republicans. In a rousing speech, Schwarzenegger declared that
he was "committed to being a Governor for all Californians" and
was "proud to stand side by side with Log Cabin in their work to
offer basic fairness for gay and lesbian citizens." He went on
to say, "A person should only be limited by his dreams and not
by his background, and not by his heritage and not by his sexual
orientation...We are united in the values of love, tolerance,
and understanding?working together we can create a better future
for California where everybody matters and every family counts."
Log Cabin endorsed and campaigned for Arnold Schwarzenegger
in the 2003 recall election and continues to support his efforts to
bring people together to build an even brighter future for the
great state of California. "When he took the oath of office,
Arnold Schwarzenegger said he would be governor of all the
people-and he reinforced that inclusive message in his first-
ever address to a gay and lesbian organization," added
Guerriero.
"Governor Schwarzenegger has been reaching out to all
Californians from all walks of life in every corner of the
state. He has a record of supporting inclusive civil rights
legislation and broadening the Republican big tent to include
all Californians," continued Guerriero.
The event also recognized Marc Cherry, the Creator and Executive
Producer of "Desperate Housewives." San Diego District Attorney
Bonnie Dumanis presented Log Cabin's American Visibility Award
to Cherry.
Log Cabin presented Schwarzenegger with its Ronald Reagan
Award.This award recognizes those individuals who maintain a
big tent philosophy by working for the inclusion of all Americans
in the Republican Party. The award is named after former Cali-
fornia Governor and President Ronald Reagan for his leadership
in helping defeat the 1978 Briggs Initiative. This proposal would
have barred openly gay and lesbian people from teaching in
California public schools. Reagan's courageous opposition to
this anti-gay initiative inspired the founding of Log Cabin
Republicans in California 30 years ago. The evening also looked
back at the 30 year history of Log Cabin.
Previous Log Cabin awards have been given to Gov. M. Jodi Rell
(R-CT), Gov. William Weld (R-MA), Gov. Christine Todd Whitman
(R-NJ), California Secretary of State Bruce McPherson, Sen.
Gordon Smith (R-OR), Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), Sen. John Danforth
(R-MO), Mayor Richard Riordan (R-L.A.), U.S. Rep. Mary Bono
(R-CA), U.S. Rep. Tom Campbell (R-CA), and U.S. Rep. Jim Kolbe
(R-AZ), among many others.
Since taking office in 2003, Governor Schwarzenegger has signed
over a dozen gay and lesbian supportive bills including
expansion of domestic partnership rights, hate crimes
protection, housing and employment non-discrimination laws,
improving HIV/AIDS prevention and treatment strategies, and
ending the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy in the state militia.
The Governor has spoken out against the anti-family Federal
Marriage Amendment and has been one of the nation's leading
voices advocating for a "Big Tent" Republican Party.
Following passage of marriage equality legislation in 2005,
Governor Schwarzenegger stated that he was awaiting a ruling by
the California Supreme Court regarding the constitutionality of
any prohibition on the freedom to marry for all Californians
regardless of sexual orientation. In his veto message, he also
stated that, "I believe that lesbian and gay couples are
entitled to full protection under the law and should not be
discriminated against based on their relationships."
"This event also offered Log Cabin a chance to put a face on the
thousands of life long, law abiding, tax paying gay and lesbian
families who support full equality. The gathering also
celebrated the bright and inclusive future of the Republican
Party as embodied by the leadership of Governor Schwarzenegger,"
concluded Patrick Guerriero.
###
Log Cabin Republicans is the nation's largest organization of
Republicans who support fairness, freedom, and equality for gay
and lesbian Americans. Log Cabin has state and local chapters
nationwide, full-time offices in Washington, DC and Sacramento,
CA, and a federal political action committee.
http://www.logcabin.org/ct/ZpLXr_s1YuGZ/
Read a news article about the event here:
http://http://www.logcabin.org/ct/ZpLXr_s1YuGZ//ct/Z7LXr_s1YuGK/ct/ZdLXr_s1YuGD/
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[[[ READERS: As you can see, there are still a LOT of *good*,
egalitarian Republicans working steadfastly WITHIN the
party to neutralize the RRR Cult's infestation. -- Craig ]]]
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	30 Jun 2006 03:43:41 PM

As it pertains to "don't ask, don't tell" when are you and all other gays
going to stop telling everyone about your gayness?
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User: "Mark Sebree"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	30 Jun 2006 04:29:55 PM

Johnny wrote:

As it pertains to "don't ask, don't tell" when are you and all other gays
going to stop telling everyone about your gayness?

First, there is no reason to think that Craig is homosexual.
Second, there is no reason why a homosexual should have to hide the
fact that he is a homosexual, just as there is no reason why a
heterosexual should have to hide the fact that he is heterosexual.
Third, the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy was a bad policy, and it only
pertained to the military. The military should not care what a
person's sexual orientation is, since that has no effect on the
person's combat capability or on his or his unit's combat readiness and
effectiveness.
There is no reason that anyone should change their behavior just to
satisfy your irrational homophobia.
Mark Sebree
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User: "BOB"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	30 Jun 2006 04:41:25 PM

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in
news:1151702995.392058.273670@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com:

Johnny wrote:

As it pertains to "don't ask, don't tell" when are you and all other
gays going to stop telling everyone about your gayness?

First, there is no reason to think that Craig is homosexual.

Second, there is no reason why a homosexual should have to hide the
fact that he is a homosexual, just as there is no reason why a
heterosexual should have to hide the fact that he is heterosexual.

Third, the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy was a bad policy, and it
only pertained to the military. The military should not care what a
person's sexual orientation is, since that has no effect on the
person's combat capability or on his or his unit's combat readiness
and effectiveness.

There is no reason that anyone should change their behavior just to
satisfy your irrational homophobia.

Mark Sebree

Perhaps Joanny is ashamed of his own latent homosexualiy. If he would
only come out of the closet and admit it, he might be more tolerant.
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User: "bobandcarole"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	30 Jun 2006 04:40:35 PM

Mark Sebree wrote:

Johnny wrote:

As it pertains to "don't ask, don't tell" when are you and all other gays
going to stop telling everyone about your gayness?

First, there is no reason to think that Craig is homosexual.

Second, there is no reason why a homosexual should have to hide the
fact that he is a homosexual, just as there is no reason why a
heterosexual should have to hide the fact that he is heterosexual.

Third, the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy was a bad policy, and it only
pertained to the military. The military should not care what a
person's sexual orientation is, since that has no effect on the
person's combat capability or on his or his unit's combat readiness and
effectiveness.

Really?
Who wants a dress wearing sissy pissing his panties when the enemy
attacks?

There is no reason that anyone should change their behavior just to
satisfy your irrational homophobia.

Mark Sebree

User: "Holy Bretts"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	30 Jun 2006 05:22:46 PM

On 30 Jun 2006 14:40:35 -0700, "bobandcarole"
<bobandcarole333@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mark Sebree wrote:

Johnny wrote:

As it pertains to "don't ask, don't tell" when are you and all other gays
going to stop telling everyone about your gayness?

First, there is no reason to think that Craig is homosexual.

Second, there is no reason why a homosexual should have to hide the
fact that he is a homosexual, just as there is no reason why a
heterosexual should have to hide the fact that he is heterosexual.

Third, the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy was a bad policy, and it only
pertained to the military. The military should not care what a
person's sexual orientation is, since that has no effect on the
person's combat capability or on his or his unit's combat readiness and
effectiveness.

Really?
Who wants a dress wearing sissy pissing his panties when the enemy
attacks?

ROFLMAO!
But what makes you think all homosexuals are "sissies"? I once met a
gay guy who was a former Navy SEAL.
---
"Be ye holy, for I am holy." (1Peter 1:16)
Holy Bretts
MFer of God
Pray for us
.

User: "bobandcarole"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	30 Jun 2006 08:48:19 PM

Holy Bretts wrote:

On 30 Jun 2006 14:40:35 -0700, "bobandcarole"
<bobandcarole333@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mark Sebree wrote:

Johnny wrote:

As it pertains to "don't ask, don't tell" when are you and all other gays
going to stop telling everyone about your gayness?

First, there is no reason to think that Craig is homosexual.

Second, there is no reason why a homosexual should have to hide the
fact that he is a homosexual, just as there is no reason why a
heterosexual should have to hide the fact that he is heterosexual.

Third, the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy was a bad policy, and it only
pertained to the military. The military should not care what a
person's sexual orientation is, since that has no effect on the
person's combat capability or on his or his unit's combat readiness and
effectiveness.

Really?
Who wants a dress wearing sissy pissing his panties when the enemy
attacks?

ROFLMAO!

But what makes you think all homosexuals are "sissies"? I once met a
gay guy who was a former Navy SEAL.

Uh huh....LOLOLOL
I wouldn't serve with a known queer and I'm sure the Military feels the
same way

---

"Be ye holy, for I am holy." (1Peter 1:16)

Holy Bretts
MFer of God
Pray for us

User: "Craig Chilton -- Help to Make the USA Bigotry-FREE!"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	30 Jun 2006 09:47:16 PM

On 30 Jun 2006 18:48:19 -0700,
"bobandcarole" <bobandcarole333@hotmail.com> wrote:
[ ... ]

I wouldn't serve with a known queer.

THANKS for this further *proof* of your IGNORANCE, bigot.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[[[ READERS: The FACTS don't change. So here
they are again, as the pertain to this LOSER. ]]]
Mindless and hateful BIGOT who cowers behind the
alias, "bobandcarole" (or "bob&carole") in his Usenet posts,
makes a total MOCKERY of Christianity by supporting the
loathsome and fetid hate-agendas of the RRR Cult... and most
of the RRR cultists dishonestly (or deludedly) *claim* to be
Christians despite being one of the most UN-Christian groups
on the face of the earth. SO -- in recognition of his regu-
larly and incessantly barraging Usenet with hateful SWILL
and idiotic garbage and LIES that make it appear as though
all ACTUAL Christians are *fools* and hateful and bigoted
LOSERS like him... that poster is hereby awarded the cartoon
below, as a reminder to him, and the rest of us, who *his*
REAL master is ---
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...and don't think Satan isn't utterly DELIGHTED with
"Bob", and his fellow RRR Cultists, for making Christianity
look SO hateful and ignorant, that countless thousands
(and probably millions) of NON-Christians would find it
more worthwhile to attend a rat fight than to come to
Christ.
You're serving your REAL, master (see his caricature,
above, as a reminder of who he is) **VERY** well, Bob!
And so are ALL of the other bigoted and hateful losers
who support the loathsome hate-agendas of the RRR Cult.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
[[[ To NON-Christian Readers seeing this post:
Please be aware that 94% of American
Christians are NOT lemmings of the RRR Cult,
and are in NO way actively supporting the
hate-agendas of that ludicrous and pathetic
collection of PSEUDO-Christians, and the
(unfortunate, by virtue of their having been
targeted for recruitment by the propaganda
and lies of the cult's leaders) *deceived* and
deluded lower-mentality actual Christians.
I invite you to REJECT the UN-Christian
RRR Cult, and consider Christianity as it
*really* is. Here's a website that can do a
very good job of show you what *actual*
Christianity is all about:
http://www.turningpointonline.org/
And -- the Bible DENOUNCES the tactics
of the RRR Cult. See: 1 Cor. 5:12-13 ]]]

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User: "Holy Bretts"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	30 Jun 2006 08:56:12 PM

On 30 Jun 2006 18:48:19 -0700, "bobandcarole"
<bobandcarole333@hotmail.com> wrote:

Holy Bretts wrote:

On 30 Jun 2006 14:40:35 -0700, "bobandcarole"
<bobandcarole333@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mark Sebree wrote:

Johnny wrote:

As it pertains to "don't ask, don't tell" when are you and all other gays
going to stop telling everyone about your gayness?

First, there is no reason to think that Craig is homosexual.

Second, there is no reason why a homosexual should have to hide the
fact that he is a homosexual, just as there is no reason why a
heterosexual should have to hide the fact that he is heterosexual.

Third, the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy was a bad policy, and it only
pertained to the military. The military should not care what a
person's sexual orientation is, since that has no effect on the
person's combat capability or on his or his unit's combat readiness and
effectiveness.

Really?
Who wants a dress wearing sissy pissing his panties when the enemy
attacks?

ROFLMAO!

But what makes you think all homosexuals are "sissies"? I once met a
gay guy who was a former Navy SEAL.

Nevertheless, this guy was definitely NOT a sissy. His boyfriend was,
though.
---
"Be ye holy, for I am holy." (1Peter 1:16)
Holy Bretts
MFer of God
Pray for us
.

User: "Mark Sebree"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	30 Jun 2006 09:58:16 PM

bobandcarole wrote:

Holy Bretts wrote:

On 30 Jun 2006 14:40:35 -0700, "bobandcarole"
<bobandcarole333@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mark Sebree wrote:

Johnny wrote:

As it pertains to "don't ask, don't tell" when are you and all other gays
going to stop telling everyone about your gayness?

First, there is no reason to think that Craig is homosexual.

Second, there is no reason why a homosexual should have to hide the
fact that he is a homosexual, just as there is no reason why a
heterosexual should have to hide the fact that he is heterosexual.

Third, the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy was a bad policy, and it only
pertained to the military. The military should not care what a
person's sexual orientation is, since that has no effect on the
person's combat capability or on his or his unit's combat readiness and
effectiveness.

Really?
Who wants a dress wearing sissy pissing his panties when the enemy
attacks?

ROFLMAO!

But what makes you think all homosexuals are "sissies"? I once met a
gay guy who was a former Navy SEAL.

Uh huh....LOLOLOL

Easily believable. Your ignorant stereotyping of homosexuals basically
shows that you really don't know very many of them. They are as
diverse in build and attitudes as heterosexuals.

I wouldn't serve with a known queer and I'm sure the Military feels the
same way

You really do not know anything about the military.
If you were serving with someone that was homosexual, and the military
had dropped that idiotic and ill-advised "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
policy, how would you stop serving with him or her? For that matter,
how would you justify not following a homosexual superior's legal
orders? Any method that I know of would land you in the brig, and the
military does not believe in parole or time off for good behavior.
Mark Sebree

---

"Be ye holy, for I am holy." (1Peter 1:16)

Holy Bretts
MFer of God
Pray for us

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	01 Jul 2006 10:37:55 AM

Gays commanders won't get troops to follow their orders as easily as
straight commanders.
When you gonna do the fighting yourself, bullyboss?
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User: "Mark Sebree"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	01 Jul 2006 12:12:33 PM

Johnny wrote:

Gays commanders won't get troops to follow their orders as easily as
straight commanders.

Whether or not a commander is homosexual would not necessarily be known
to the troops, since that is none of their business in the first place.
What's more, if he or she is a good commander, the troops will follow.
And they will follow just as readily no matter what the commander's
sexual orientation is.

When you gonna do the fighting yourself, bullyboss?

Already been there and done that, know nothing.
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User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	02 Jul 2006 10:47:47 AM

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1151773953.072595.206520@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

Johnny wrote:

Gays commanders won't get troops to follow their orders as easily as
straight commanders.

That situation may be so.

And they will follow just as readily no matter what the commander's
sexual orientation is.

As you seem to think that sexual orientation is a non-issue, there are
numerous people who attribute importance to it.

When you gonna do the fighting yourself, bullyboss?

Already been there and done that, know nothing.

Well, why do you think our military is for defending fifty-year-old and
older treaties when we have a need to secure our own borders?
WWII was over so long ago.
When will you notice that the USA is located on this side of the world?
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User: "Mark Sebree"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	02 Jul 2006 02:31:42 PM

Johnny wrote:

"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1151773953.072595.206520@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

Johnny wrote:

Gays commanders won't get troops to follow their orders as easily as
straight commanders.

That situation may be so.

Unlikely.

And they will follow just as readily no matter what the commander's
sexual orientation is.

As you seem to think that sexual orientation is a non-issue,

It is, and it should be a non-issue.

there are
numerous people who attribute importance to it.

And thankfully, that number is decreasing as they age and die, and as
people learn the facts and the truth.
However, since we are talking about the military, what people give
importance to has little meaning. If you fail to follow the lawful
commands of a superior, you end up on charges and behind bars. This is
even more true in a war zone.

When you gonna do the fighting yourself, bullyboss?

Already been there and done that, know nothing.

Well, why do you think our military is for defending fifty-year-old and
older treaties when we have a need to secure our own borders?

Because those treaties have the force of law behind them. We are
required to follow them because our government signed them. They
remain in force until a preset expiration date defined on the treaties,
until they are amicably suspended and/or amended by all affected
parties, or until one party intentionally and maliciously breaks the
treaty, which usually has significant negative international
repercussions.

WWII was over so long ago.

So what? That does not invalidate the treaties.

When will you notice that the USA is located on this side of the world?

And your point is? We are obligated to honor the treaties that our
government signed. Just because they were signed decades ago does not
mean that we are not still bound by them.
Mark Sebree
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User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	02 Jul 2006 06:39:55 PM

I see your allegiance is to foreign nations above the USA itself.
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User: "No One"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	03 Jul 2006 01:18:23 AM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
(in reference to Mark Sebree's comment about the need to obey treaties
that the U.S. has signed).

I see your allegiance is to foreign nations above the USA itself.

Whatever Johnny's "allegiance" is, it seems to preclude any respect
for the U.S. Constitution, which in Article VI states,
"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which
shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or
which shall be made, under the authority of the United States,
shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every
state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or
laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."
See <http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article02/10.html#1>
for a discussion of conflicts between treaties and other laws are
handled (the topic is too complex to discuss here, so I'd suggest that
interested parties use this link for an explanation).
.

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	03 Jul 2006 09:36:33 AM

"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

(in reference to Mark Sebree's comment about the need to obey treaties
that the U.S. has signed).

I see your allegiance is to foreign nations above the USA itself.

50 year old treaties are dead.
WWII was over a very long time ago.
Waiting for that NK nuke?

See <http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article02/10.html#1>
for a discussion of conflicts between treaties and other laws are
handled (the topic is too complex to discuss here, so I'd suggest that
interested parties use this link for an explanation).

User: "No One"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	03 Jul 2006 11:40:04 AM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:m3wtavtdvh.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

(in reference to Mark Sebree's comment about the need to obey treaties
that the U.S. has signed).

I see your allegiance is to foreign nations above the USA itself.

50 year old treaties are dead.

Nothing in the U.S. Constitution mandates a time limit on the validity
of a treaty. If a treaty applies only up to some particular date, that
date will be spelled out in the treaty.

WWII was over a very long time ago.

If a treaty is no longer useful, there is a legal/diplomatic procedure
for handling that, just as individuals can modify or end a contractual
arrangment among themselves when a situation changes. But we can't
just blithely ignore it.

Waiting for that NK nuke?

North Korea is not relevant to the provisions in the U.S. Constitution.

Well ... as I said, read it. :-)
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User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	03 Jul 2006 11:58:51 AM

"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

(in reference to Mark Sebree's comment about the need to obey treaties
that the U.S. has signed).

I see your allegiance is to foreign nations above the USA itself.

50 year old treaties are dead.

Nothing in the U.S. Constitution mandates a time limit on the validity
of a treaty. If a treaty applies only up to some particular date, that
date will be spelled out in the treaty.

And lots of those dates were in the treaties.
Check Panama, Hong Kong, Suadi Arabia.
Check on those old expired agreements.
Why do you think the USA is so needed overseas for more than fifty years in
these places?
I know why.
Because you are too lazy to work yourself.
You prefer enslaving foreigners at lower wages while you have military
support in those lands while you ***** about a sexist woman's right to
choose to hace children killed in utero and gay ***** perverted sex acts
being ensceribed in law as normal.

WWII was over a very long time ago.

No one really cares.
Have you noticed North Korea's nuclear program yet?
The USA is despised, hated overseas now in too many places.
Remember your "It's none of your business" thing?
Why can't you keep your filthy nose out of their business?
And, with expatriated US taxdollars at that.
What a loser.

Waiting for that NK nuke?

North Korea is not relevant to the provisions in the U.S. Constitution.

Nuclear threats are irrelevant to idiots like you.
Another bad move on your part.
And, you think you know something of homeland security and defense?

See
<http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article02/10.html#1>
for a discussion of conflicts between treaties and other laws are
handled (the topic is too complex to discuss here, so I'd suggest that
interested parties use this link for an explanation).

Well ... as I said, read it. :-)

Why?
That will do nothing to bring peace to the nations that the USA has been in
for so long.
.

User: "No One"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	03 Jul 2006 12:17:31 PM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:m3fyhimytp.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
Nothing in the U.S. Constitution mandates a time limit on the validity
of a treaty. If a treaty applies only up to some particular date, that
date will be spelled out in the treaty.

And lots of those dates were in the treaties.
Check Panama, Hong Kong, Suadi Arabia.
Check on those old expired agreements.

You mean you are admitting that you did not have a valid point?

Why do you think the USA is so needed overseas for more than fifty years in
these places?
I know why.
Because you are too lazy to work yourself.
You prefer enslaving foreigners at lower wages while you have military
support in those lands while you ***** about a sexist woman's right to
choose to hace children killed in utero and gay ***** perverted sex acts
being ensceribed in law as normal.

You are making all this nonsense of yours up. Basically, you are
liar, particularly since *all* I stated was that the U.S. Constitution
has something to say about treaties.

WWII was over a very long time ago.

No one really cares.

Actually lots of people care, even if someone like you does not.

Have you noticed North Korea's nuclear program yet?
The USA is despised, hated overseas now in too many places.
Remember your "It's none of your business" thing?
Why can't you keep your filthy nose out of their business?
And, with expatriated US taxdollars at that.
What a loser.

In case you don't know, the U.S. would not be as "despised" and
"hated" if we had an administration that actually cared about
international law and our obligations to other countries and their
citizens, some of which are formalized in various treaties.
And you would look like less of a fool if you didn't go around posting
silly insults about "noses" and "business" when I had merely suggested
that the U.S. government has to follow the U.S. Constitution regarding
how treaties are managed.

Waiting for that NK nuke?

North Korea is not relevant to the provisions in the U.S. Constitution.

Nuclear threats are irrelevant to idiots like you. Another bad move
on your part. And, you think you know something of homeland
security and defense?

Oh, so according to you, anyone who wants the U.S. government to
follow the U.S. Constitution is an "idiot"? You really do need to
learn to not only act like a responsible citizen, but to act like an
adult.
<rest of the troll's post snipped>
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User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	03 Jul 2006 12:45:02 PM

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Nothing in the U.S. Constitution mandates a time limit on the validity
of a treaty. If a treaty applies only up to some particular date, that
date will be spelled out in the treaty.

And lots of those dates were in the treaties.
Check Panama, Hong Kong, Suadi Arabia.
Check on those old expired agreements.

You mean you are admitting that you did not have a valid point?

Why do you think the USA is so needed overseas for more than fifty years
in
these places?
I know why.
Because you are too lazy to work yourself.
You prefer enslaving foreigners at lower wages while you have military
support in those lands while you ***** about a sexist woman's right to
choose to hace children killed in utero and gay ***** perverted sex
acts
being ensceribed in law as normal.

You are making all this nonsense of yours up. Basically, you are
liar, particularly since *all* I stated was that the U.S. Constitution
has something to say about treaties.

WWII was over a very long time ago.

No one really cares.

Actually lots of people care, even if someone like you does not.

The USA has NO obligation to anyone other than the people of the USA.

And you would look like less of a fool if you didn't go around posting
silly insults about "noses" and "business" when I had merely suggested
that the U.S. government has to follow the U.S. Constitution regarding
how treaties are managed.

No one cares about your unconstitutional, anti-USA crap.

Waiting for that NK nuke?

North Korea is not relevant to the provisions in the U.S. Constitution.

Nuclear threats are irrelevant to idiots like you. Another bad move
on your part. And, you think you know something of homeland
security and defense?

You need to read the Constitution and learn what it is for rather than
acting like it is for the benefit of foreigners at the expense of US
citizens.

You support a losing plan for the people of the USA.
I don't.
.

User: "No One"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	03 Jul 2006 01:49:27 PM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

The USA is despised, hated overseas now in too many places.
Remember your "It's none of your business" thing?
Why can't you keep your filthy nose out of their business?
And, with expatriated US taxdollars at that.
What a loser.

The USA has NO obligation to anyone other than the people of the USA.

Yes it does have such obligations, as determined by the U.S. Constitution
(due process, for instance, is not restricted merely to U.S. citizens),
various treaties (agreements between nations) and U.S. laws.

No one cares about your unconstitutional, anti-USA crap.

I quoted the U.S. Constitution for you! Only a fool would claim that
the U.S. Constitution is unconstitutional and "anti-USA".

You support a losing plan for the people of the USA.
I don't.

Following the U.S. Constitution is not a "losing plan" for the
"people fo the USA", so your words are those of a moron.
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User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	03 Jul 2006 02:02:00 PM

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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

The USA has NO obligation to anyone other than the people of the USA.

Do you not know what people of the USA means?

No one cares about your unconstitutional, anti-USA crap.

I quoted the U.S. Constitution for you! Only a fool would claim that
the U.S. Constitution is unconstitutional and "anti-USA".

Your problem is you misinterpret the Constitution.
You think the US Constitution is written for the benefit of other nations.

You support a losing plan for the people of the USA.
I don't.

Following the U.S. Constitution is not a "losing plan" for the
"people fo the USA", so your words are those of a moron.

But, you aren't following the intent of the USA Constitution.
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User: "No One"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	03 Jul 2006 03:41:11 PM

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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

The USA has NO obligation to anyone other than the people of the USA.

Do you not know what people of the USA means?

Do you not know what the phrase, "the rule of law" means?
<rest snipped - Pr0r3p answered it anyway>
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User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	03 Jul 2006 08:33:41 PM

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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

The USA has NO obligation to anyone other than the people of the USA.

Yes it does have such obligations, as determined by the U.S.
Constitution
(due process, for instance, is not restricted merely to U.S. citizens),
various treaties (agreements between nations) and U.S. laws.

Do you not know what people of the USA means?

Do you not know what the phrase, "the rule of law" means?

Law is not a rule to obey here if it violates the US Constitution.
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User: "No One"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	03 Jul 2006 09:13:16 PM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

Do you not know what people of the USA means?

Do you not know what the phrase, "the rule of law" means?

Law is not a rule to obey here if it violates the US Constitution.

I showed you the portion of the U.S. Constitution that clearly states
that treaties are as binding as any law passed by congress, plus
a list of Supreme Court opinions clarifying this. As is typical with
you, you simply ignored it and go around spouting your nonsense anyway.
.

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	03 Jul 2006 09:40:02 PM

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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

Do you not know what people of the USA means?

Do you not know what the phrase, "the rule of law" means?

Law is not a rule to obey here if it violates the US Constitution.

Congress can overrride any treaty.
The President can override any treaty.
The UN is unqualified to dictate US policy.
Treaties made by only the DoD are inadequate for long term domestic rule in
these foreign occupation schemes for multi-national conglomerate
corporations who are for KILLING CHILDREN AND HOMOSEXUALS, YOU IDIOT!.
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User: "No One"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	03 Jul 2006 10:21:31 PM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

Do you not know what people of the USA means?

Do you not know what the phrase, "the rule of law" means?

Law is not a rule to obey here if it violates the US Constitution.

Congress can overrride any treaty.
The President can override any treaty.

I provided you with a URL describing the rules. Congress on its own cannot
override any treaty - it can pass legislation overriding one, but the
president can veto that legislation. Also, a treaty requires a 2/3 vote
by the senate to become valid in the first place, and the president cannot
override a treaty on his own, although the rules are a bit muddled.
See <http://www.lcnp.org/disarmament/ABMlawsuit/abmtreaty3.pdf>:
The President invoked his foreign affairs power in support of
his position, citing the famous or infamous, depending on
one's view dictum in Curtiss Wright that he is "the sole
organ of the federal government in the field of international
relations."7 But that case involved an executive agreement,
not a treaty, and Judge Gasch dismissed the argument in the
following terms: "While the President may be the sole organ of
communication with foreign governments, he is clearly not the
sole maker of foreign policy. In short, the conduct of foreign
relations is not a plenary executive power."8 In further
support of the plaintiffs' position, Judge Gasch relied on the
constitutional status of treaties as the supreme law of the
land and the President's obligation to faithfully execute the
laws. "The President," he said, referring to the treaty at
issue, "cannot faithfully execute that treaty by abrogating it
any more than he can faithfully execute by failing to
administer. He alone cannot effect the repeal of a law of the
land which was formed by joint action of the executive and
legislative branches, whether that law be a statute or a
treaty."9 And, in a prescient comment on what has come to be
known in common parlance as the imperial presidency, he cited
these words of Justice Frankfurter : "The accretion of
dangerous power does not come in a day. It does come, however,
from the generative force of unchecked disregard of the
restrictions that fence in even the most disinterested
assertion of authority."10 In conclusion, based on two
centuries of treaty termination practice, Judge Gasch held
that "the President's notice of termination must receive the
approval of two-thirds of the United States Senate or a
majority of both houses of Congress for it to be effective
under our Constitution."11

The UN is unqualified to dictate US policy.
Treaties made by only the DoD are inadequate for long term domestic rule in
these foreign occupation schemes for multi-national conglomerate
corporations who are for KILLING CHILDREN AND HOMOSEXUALS, YOU IDIOT!.

The DoD has no authority to make treaties, nor does the U.N. ever
dictate U.S. policy. So what the hell are you babbling about?
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User: "Pr0r3p"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	03 Jul 2006 10:23:40 PM

Johnny wrote:

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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

Do you not know what people of the USA means?

Do you not know what the phrase, "the rule of law" means?

Law is not a rule to obey here if it violates the US Constitution.

Congress can overrride any treaty.
The President can override any treaty.
The UN is unqualified to dictate US policy.

We singed them VOLUNTARILY, *****. The UN isn't dictating US policy.

Treaties made by only the DoD are inadequate for long term domestic rule in

According to who, you? You sure do think you have a lot more power
than you really do.

these foreign occupation schemes for multi-national conglomerate
corporations who are for KILLING CHILDREN AND HOMOSEXUALS, YOU IDIOT!.

Care to post a cite to defend you claim? No? I didn't think so..
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User: "Pr0r3p"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	03 Jul 2006 02:47:00 PM

Johnny wrote:

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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

The USA has NO obligation to anyone other than the people of the USA.

Do you not know what people of the USA means?

No one cares about your unconstitutional, anti-USA crap.

I quoted the U.S. Constitution for you! Only a fool would claim that
the U.S. Constitution is unconstitutional and "anti-USA".

Your problem is you misinterpret the Constitution.

LOL!!! And, you think the first amendment means two different things...

You think the US Constitution is written for the benefit of other nations.

You support a losing plan for the people of the USA.
I don't.

Following the U.S. Constitution is not a "losing plan" for the
"people fo the USA", so your words are those of a moron.

But, you aren't following the intent of the USA Constitution.

How would you know? You think the first amendment has two different
meanings.
.

User: "Pr0r3p"
Title: Re: Governor Schwarzenegger Makes Strong Case for Equality	03 Jul 2006 12:53:15 PM

Johnny wrote:

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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

Nothing in the U.S. Constitution mandates a time limit on the validity
of a treaty. If a treaty applies only up to some particular date, that
date will be spelled out in the treaty.

And lots of those dates were in the treaties.
Check Panama, Hong Kong, Suadi Arabia.
Check on those old expired agreements.

You mean you are admitting that you did not have a valid point?

Why do you think the USA is so needed overseas for more than fifty years
in
these places?
I know why.
Because you are too lazy to work yourself.
You prefer enslaving foreigners at lower wages while you have military
support in those lands while you ***** about a sexist woman's right to
choose to hace children killed in utero and gay ***** perverted sex
acts
being ensceribed in law as normal.

You are making all this nonsense of yours up. Basically, you are
liar, particularly since *all* I stated was that the U.S. Constitution
has something to say about treaties.

WWII was over a very long time ago.

No one really cares.

Actually lots of people care, even if someone like you does not.

The USA has NO obligation to anyone other than the people of the USA.

No one cares about your unconstitutional, anti-USA crap.

And of course, Johnny, who believes that first amendment means two
different things is more qualified than anyone to determine what
is/isn't constitutional. LOL!!

Waiting for that NK nuke?

North Korea is not relevant to the provisions in the U.S. Constitution.

Nuclear threats are irrelevant to idiots like you. Another bad move
on your part. And, you think you know something of homeland
security and defense?

You need to read the Constitution and learn what it is for rather than
acting like it is for the benefit of foreigners at the expense of US
citizens.

LOL!!! This from the guy who thinks the first amendment means two
different things...

You support a losing plan for the people of the USA.
I don't.