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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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26 Oct 2006 07:30:27 AM |
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"Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
Consider the phrase "has eternal life." "Has" is present tense
possession. Eternal or everlasting means without ending. Thus, one
who "has eternal life" has life that will not end, at that moment
(otherwise, it would be "will have eternal life"). Where do we find
this phrase...
John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that
believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth
on him.
John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth
on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into
condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath
everlasting life.
John 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I
will raise him up at the last day.
1 John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no
murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 5:11
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and
this life is in his Son.
1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the
Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may
believe on the name of the Son of God.
So, again, how can one HAVE life that will not end and then lose life
that will not end? If it ended, they never had Eternal Life, right?
So, anyone that "has" (possesses) ETERNAL life, cannot lose it, right?
Scripture is quite clear on this. It's up to you to accept or reject
God's Word.
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
26 Oct 2006 11:24:37 AM |
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These are just Biblical 'translations' of nonsensical writings of ancient
men of unknown accuracy and veracity!
They have little meaning.
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161865827.677338.320410@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Consider the phrase "has eternal life." "Has" is present tense
possession. Eternal or everlasting means without ending. Thus, one
who "has eternal life" has life that will not end, at that moment
(otherwise, it would be "will have eternal life"). Where do we find
this phrase...
John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that
believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth
on him.
John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth
on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into
condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath
everlasting life.
John 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I
will raise him up at the last day.
1 John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no
murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 5:11
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and
this life is in his Son.
1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the
Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may
believe on the name of the Son of God.
So, again, how can one HAVE life that will not end and then lose life
that will not end? If it ended, they never had Eternal Life, right?
So, anyone that "has" (possesses) ETERNAL life, cannot lose it, right?
Scripture is quite clear on this. It's up to you to accept or reject
God's Word.
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
26 Oct 2006 01:59:09 PM |
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Exactly. You must discredit the Bible to disagree with Eternal
Security.
Bill M wrote:
These are just Biblical 'translations' of nonsensical writings of ancient
men of unknown accuracy and veracity!
They have little meaning.
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161865827.677338.320410@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Consider the phrase "has eternal life." "Has" is present tense
possession. Eternal or everlasting means without ending. Thus, one
who "has eternal life" has life that will not end, at that moment
(otherwise, it would be "will have eternal life"). Where do we find
this phrase...
John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that
believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth
on him.
John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth
on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into
condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath
everlasting life.
John 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I
will raise him up at the last day.
1 John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no
murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 5:11
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and
this life is in his Son.
1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the
Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may
believe on the name of the Son of God.
So, again, how can one HAVE life that will not end and then lose life
that will not end? If it ended, they never had Eternal Life, right?
So, anyone that "has" (possesses) ETERNAL life, cannot lose it, right?
Scripture is quite clear on this. It's up to you to accept or reject
God's Word.
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
27 Oct 2006 01:26:23 AM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Exactly. You must discredit the Bible to disagree with Eternal
Security.
LOL
No, one has to discredit the Bible to teach "eternal security."
Even some angels fall.
Why?
Because of disbelief--they stop believing God and start believing the Devil.
And where did the angels/demons come from?
Re 22:9 Then [the angel] said unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy
fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the
sayings of this book: worship God.
[snip]
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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| User: "Vic" |
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
27 Oct 2006 06:38:17 PM |
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <Yeickleberrybooks@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161889149.868764.104750@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Exactly. You must discredit the Bible to disagree with Eternal
Security.
LOL
No, one has to discredit the Bible to teach "eternal security."
Even some angels fall.
Why?
Because of disbelief--they stop believing God and start believing the
Devil.
And where did the angels/demons come from?
Re 22:9 Then [the angel] said unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy
fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep
the
sayings of this book: worship God.
[snip]
Ike
Rom 8:34 Who [is] he that condemneth? [It is] Christ that died, yea rather,
that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh
intercession for us.
Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [shall] tribulation,
or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we
are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him
that loved us.
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor
principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to
separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Are we greater then God Himself?
Is our will greater then God's Will?
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the
sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor
of the will of man, but of God.
How do you undo being 'Born Anew'?
How do you undo being 'Crucified with Christ'?
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw
him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
28 Oct 2006 12:50:39 PM |
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"Vic" <someone@home.co.uk> wrote in message
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <Yeickleberrybooks@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Exactly. You must discredit the Bible to disagree with Eternal
Security.
LOL
No, one has to discredit the Bible to teach "eternal security."
Even some angels fall.
Why?
Because of disbelief--they stop believing God and start believing the
Devil.
And where did the angels/demons come from?
Re 22:9 Then [the angel] said unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy
fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep
the
sayings of this book: worship God.
[snip]
Ike
Rom 8:34 Who [is] he that condemneth? [It is] Christ that died, yea
rather,
that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh
intercession for us.
Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [shall]
tribulation,
or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we
are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him
that loved us.
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor
principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to
separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Written under the optimistic presumption of Paul that he was speaking to
those who were keeping the faith.
(In other words, if they were not keeping the faith, why would they be
reading Paul's letters?)
Are we greater then God Himself?
Is our will greater then God's Will?
In a manner of speaking, yes.
Why?
Because God REQUIRES our active participation and commitment, i.e. our
exercise of will.
Re 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice,
and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with
me.
That's knock, not kick the door in.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the
sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor
of the will of man, but of God.
How do you undo being 'Born Anew'?
How does a seed grow unless it is planted?
How do you undo being 'Crucified with Christ'?
You have to be crucified with Christ before you can undo being crucified
with Christ, hence Jesus says "be thou faithful UNTO DEATH and I will give
you a crown of life," and "whosoever endures TO THE END shall be saved."
You people presume to much.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw
him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
"IF you continue in my word, then you are my disciples indeed."
Now, we can play "proof verse" all day, but, in the end, all you'll manage
to do is establish the paradox of faith to faith, which flows in BOTH
directions at the same time.
Paradox part 1:
Eph 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Paradox part 2:
2Ti 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept
the faith...
And what else did Paul tell Timothy?
1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto THYSELF, and unto the doctrine; CONTINUE IN THEM:
for in doing this thou shalt both SAVE THYSELF, AND THEM THAT HEAR THEE.
Hmmm.
Guess determinism ain't all that after all.
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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| User: "gatekeeper" |
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
28 Oct 2006 07:08:11 PM |
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"Vic" <someone@home.co.uk> wrote in message
news:usmdndnsScK1Bd_YnZ2dnUVZ8tCdnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <Yeickleberrybooks@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:pvSdnS3NvdQ7O9zYnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161889149.868764.104750@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Exactly. You must discredit the Bible to disagree with Eternal
Security.
LOL
No, one has to discredit the Bible to teach "eternal security."
Even some angels fall.
Why?
Because of disbelief--they stop believing God and start believing the
Devil.
And where did the angels/demons come from?
Re 22:9 Then [the angel] said unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy
fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep
the
sayings of this book: worship God.
[snip]
Ike
Rom 8:34 Who [is] he that condemneth? [It is] Christ that died, yea
rather,
that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh
intercession for us.
Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [shall]
tribulation,
or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we
are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him
that loved us.
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor
principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to
separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Written under the optimistic presumption of Paul that he was speaking to
those who were keeping the faith.
(In other words, if they were not keeping the faith, why would they be
reading Paul's letters?)
Are we greater then God Himself?
Is our will greater then God's Will?
In a manner of speaking, yes.
Why?
Because God REQUIRES our active participation and commitment, i.e. our
exercise of will.
Re 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice,
and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with
me.
That's knock, not kick the door in.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the
sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor
of the will of man, but of God.
How do you undo being 'Born Anew'?
How does a seed grow unless it is planted?
How do you undo being 'Crucified with Christ'?
You have to be crucified with Christ before you can undo being crucified
with Christ, hence Jesus says "be thou faithful UNTO DEATH and I will give
you a crown of life," and "whosoever endures TO THE END shall be saved."
You people presume to much.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw
him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
"IF you continue in my word, then you are my disciples indeed."
Now, we can play "proof verse" all day, but, in the end, all you'll manage
to do is establish the paradox of faith to faith, which flows in BOTH
directions at the same time.
Paradox part 1:
Eph 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Paradox part 2:
2Ti 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept
the faith...
And what else did Paul tell Timothy?
1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto THYSELF, and unto the doctrine; CONTINUE IN THEM:
for in doing this thou shalt both SAVE THYSELF, AND THEM THAT HEAR THEE.
Hmmm.
Guess determinism ain't all that after all.
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
And you can determine that you can and will hold on all by yourself?
When I found myself needing to hold on, I found Him holding on to me!
Our Salvation, is that He holds us, when we can not hold on! He
started a good work in us, and He will finish the Good work He Started!
When we slip and fall, and fail to produce the fruit that is expected
of us, the Holy Spirit convicts of sin, and leads us to repentence.
The Holy Spirit does not condemn us when we fail to trust Him the way
we should. This is far different from carrying a load of "thou shalts"
around on our back, and worry about whether we are keeping His
commands!
He says His Yoke is easy, and His burden is light! What is this burden
that you want to tie on men's backs that is so grevious? What works
could you possibly do to keep your salvation? He says, Believe in Me,
that is the work of God, that He calls us to, and nothing else.
Everything else comes from believing in Him! Do you say you believe?
Let me see your good works! I do not see them here in this group,
where you end up calling most of us liars! and fools, is this Love,
the work of God? How about that Joy that is overflowing and making you
a Joy to listen to? Your Love for God is overshadowed by your love for
picking at jots and tiddles! Is this the works of which you speak?
You speak in grandiose schemes and words that mean nothing, tell me
about Jesus saving you in this life, the Joy of the Lord, the Hope that
you have now and forever! Instead, you talk about going through the
"Tribulation" because you believe you will make it by the skin of your
teeth! Obviously you believe you are on the inside track to make it to
Eternal Life, so tell us about this, instead of attacking constantly
what others say they believe! It takes no faith to attack others, it
only takes a nasty hateful spirit, is this the works you need to do to
make it to Eternal Life?
Ike, you say you are interested in studying the word, but all I hear
you talk about, is Revelation, and Tribulation, is that all there is to
your Faith? To be contentious?
The Eastgate is Open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever Will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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29 Oct 2006 12:05:17 AM |
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"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ike, you say you are interested in studying the word, but all I hear
you talk about, is Revelation, and Tribulation, is that all there is to
your Faith? To be contentious?
With frauds such as yourself?
Absolutely.
And why do I incessantly refer to Revealtion and Tribulation?
Because the hour cometh.
Upon the world?
No.
That's comes later.
First, it comes to the church.
1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the
gospel of God?
But the dispensationalist cultist (such as him) cut off this part with their
false interpretations, and the preterist cultists (such as yourself) say
it's not coming at all.
Neither discerns the times.
Ike
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The Tree of Life (from "The Character Map")
The Beloved
Faith Hope
Righteousness Judgment Compassion
Courage Integrity Diligence Grace
Discipline of Thought Service Desire Decision and Belief
Glory Honor Power Wisdom Riches Blessing Strength w/Thanksgiving
He Who Loves
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29 Oct 2006 12:42:28 AM |
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
Ike, you say you are interested in studying the word, but all I hear
you talk about, is Revelation, and Tribulation, is that all there is to
your Faith? To be contentious?
With frauds such as yourself?
Absolutely.
And why do I incessantly refer to Revealtion and Tribulation?
Because the hour cometh.
Upon the world?
No.
That's comes later.
First, it comes to the church.
1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the
gospel of God?
But the dispensationalist cultist (such as him) cut off this part with their
false interpretations, and the preterist cultists (such as yourself) say
it's not coming at all.
Neither discerns the times.
Ike
--
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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The Tree of Life (from "The Character Map")
The Beloved
Faith Hope
Righteousness Judgment Compassion
Courage Integrity Diligence Grace
Discipline of Thought Service Desire Decision and Belief
Glory Honor Power Wisdom Riches Blessing Strength w/Thanksgiving
He Who Loves
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If I remember right, 1 Peter was written prior to 70 AD, so is it
possible that Peter was referring to events that would occur at 70 AD,
regarding The Beginning of Judgement?
For that matter 1 Peter could have actually been referring to the need
for spiritual judgement even within the Church! Judgement is not
necessarily condemnation to Hell's fire, but we are to Judge ourselves,
and if we are to judge ourselves, what must the judgement of the them
be that obey not the Gospel of God? How is it that we are worthy of a
favorable judgement? We Obey the Gospel of God! And How do we obey,
but by believing the Gospel! We have already experienced the Beginning
of Judgement by being Born Again. They who have not accepted Christ,
have also already experienced the Beginning of Judgement, which must be
a terrible thing! Considering that the Beginning of Judgement started
with Christ on the Cross!
So are you one crying in the Wilderness? So "the time is come", but
that was over 2000 years ago, so if it is come, it is come to them back
then! Now it is not that we could not learn from their experience, but
please you are a little late on your take up of the prophetic cause!
No you are crying in the Church, put on this big burden of needing to
obey the law, and do these works, so that you can be saved from eternal
fire! Now that is a message that I am sure the Church needs to Hear!
Right! Especially today if they needed it 2000 years ago, they really
need it now! So let's take what was being spoken to them back then,
that had a probable fulfillment at 70 AD, make a few spiritual
adjustments, and preach the same prophetic message in 2006! That
should give me a sense of doing something important for the Kingdom,
and Oh by the way, everyone that does not buy my program is a Fraud,
cultist, false prophet, etc., and any scriptures I don't like I will
just ignore, and if Paul says something, I will choose to ignore that
as well, since he was not one of the twelve! This definitely sounds
like a plan to me! Carry on!
If you were really interested in the welfare of the Church, then show
me the Fruit of the Spirit! Those are the works that make a difference
now!
BTW, I do not even know what a preterist is, but if you say so, now I
are one! Maybe you could give me a check list, and I will let you know
if you are correct or not!
The Eastgate is Open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever Will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
29 Oct 2006 08:48:23 AM |
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"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162080491.219044.195150@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
Ike, you say you are interested in studying the word, but all I hear
you talk about, is Revelation, and Tribulation, is that all there is to
your Faith? To be contentious?
With frauds such as yourself?
Absolutely.
And why do I incessantly refer to Revealtion and Tribulation?
Because the hour cometh.
Upon the world?
No.
That's comes later.
First, it comes to the church.
1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of
God:
and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not
the
gospel of God?
But the dispensationalist cultist (such as him) cut off this part with
their
false interpretations, and the preterist cultists (such as yourself) say
it's not coming at all.
Neither discerns the times.
Ike
--
www.eickleberrybooks.com
******************************
The Tree of Life (from "The Character Map")
The Beloved
Faith Hope
Righteousness Judgment Compassion
Courage Integrity Diligence Grace
Discipline of Thought Service Desire Decision and Belief
Glory Honor Power Wisdom Riches Blessing Strength w/Thanksgiving
He Who Loves
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If I remember right, 1 Peter was written prior to 70 AD...
[snip]
Like I said, the preterist cultists don't discern the times.
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
29 Oct 2006 09:08:06 AM |
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ike, you say you are interested in studying the word, but all I hear
you talk about, is Revelation, and Tribulation, is that all there is to
your Faith? To be contentious?
With frauds such as yourself?
Absolutely.
And why do I incessantly refer to Revealtion and Tribulation?
Because the hour cometh.
Upon the world?
No.
That's comes later.
First, it comes to the church.
1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of
God:
and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not
the
gospel of God?
But the dispensationalist cultist (such as him) cut off this part with
their
false interpretations, and the preterist cultists (such as yourself) say
it's not coming at all.
Neither discerns the times.
Ike
--
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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The Tree of Life (from "The Character Map")
The Beloved
Faith Hope
Righteousness Judgment Compassion
Courage Integrity Diligence Grace
Discipline of Thought Service Desire Decision and Belief
Glory Honor Power Wisdom Riches Blessing Strength w/Thanksgiving
He Who Loves
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If I remember right, 1 Peter was written prior to 70 AD...
[snip]
Like I said, the preterist cultists don't discern the times.
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
I am not sure what you mean by discern the times? Is this the extent
of your definition of a preterist? How is it that you, I assume,
discern the times? Please give me an example!
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
29 Oct 2006 07:07:44 PM |
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"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162100548.216922.42230@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
Ike, you say you are interested in studying the word, but all I hear
you talk about, is Revelation, and Tribulation, is that all there is
to
your Faith? To be contentious?
With frauds such as yourself?
Absolutely.
And why do I incessantly refer to Revealtion and Tribulation?
Because the hour cometh.
Upon the world?
No.
That's comes later.
First, it comes to the church.
1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of
God:
and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey
not
the
gospel of God?
But the dispensationalist cultist (such as him) cut off this part with
their
false interpretations, and the preterist cultists (such as yourself)
say
it's not coming at all.
Neither discerns the times.
Ike
--
www.eickleberrybooks.com
******************************
The Tree of Life (from "The Character Map")
The Beloved
Faith Hope
Righteousness Judgment Compassion
Courage Integrity Diligence Grace
Discipline of Thought Service Desire Decision and Belief
Glory Honor Power Wisdom Riches Blessing Strength w/Thanksgiving
He Who Loves
******************************
Remove X from address to reply
If I remember right, 1 Peter was written prior to 70 AD...
[snip]
Like I said, the preterist cultists don't discern the times.
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
I am not sure what you mean by discern the times? Is this the extent
of your definition of a preterist? How is it that you, I assume,
discern the times? Please give me an example!
Keep up.
I already defined it all.
Over and over again.
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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| User: "gatekeeper" |
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
29 Oct 2006 09:22:56 PM |
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162134486.194301.64050@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162100548.216922.42230@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162080491.219044.195150@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
Ike, you say you are interested in studying the word, but all I hear
you talk about, is Revelation, and Tribulation, is that all there is
to
your Faith? To be contentious?
With frauds such as yourself?
Absolutely.
And why do I incessantly refer to Revealtion and Tribulation?
Because the hour cometh.
Upon the world?
No.
That's comes later.
First, it comes to the church.
1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of
God:
and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey
not
the
gospel of God?
But the dispensationalist cultist (such as him) cut off this part with
their
false interpretations, and the preterist cultists (such as yourself)
say
it's not coming at all.
Neither discerns the times.
Ike
--
www.eickleberrybooks.com
******************************
The Tree of Life (from "The Character Map")
The Beloved
Faith Hope
Righteousness Judgment Compassion
Courage Integrity Diligence Grace
Discipline of Thought Service Desire Decision and Belief
Glory Honor Power Wisdom Riches Blessing Strength w/Thanksgiving
He Who Loves
******************************
Remove X from address to reply
If I remember right, 1 Peter was written prior to 70 AD...
[snip]
Like I said, the preterist cultists don't discern the times.
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
I am not sure what you mean by discern the times? Is this the extent
of your definition of a preterist? How is it that you, I assume,
discern the times? Please give me an example!
Keep up.
I already defined it all.
Over and over again.
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
You have not defined it to me, and assuming your consuming concern for
the Body, it would be worthwhile to get me properly educated to the
things of the Spirit, so that I would stop leading folks off in the
wrong direction! So Please indulge me with what it is you are so
insistent on, especially this discerning of times! I realize that you
will be tooting your own horn, but for a music person, that should not
be difficult to do! I will take the tooting indo consideration, since I
have pressed you to explain yourself! Unless of course I am suppose to
buy your book to get this info, which is not likely! And if you hold
that your private interpretation will hold any water, this forum is as
good a spiritual testing lab as there is for quality assurance!
Whoops, there is that word you do not like! :(
The Eastgate is Open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever Will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
30 Oct 2006 12:23:16 AM |
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"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
You have not defined it to me, and assuming your consuming concern for
the Body, it would be worthwhile to get me properly educated to the
things of the Spirit, so that I would stop leading folks off in the
wrong direction!
LOL
You need to learn some Netiquette.
Rule #1: Don't top post.
Rule #2: Newbies keep out of conversations until they know the lay of the
land.
You got Rule #1 down.
Time to learn Rule #2.
So Please indulge me with what it is you are so
insistent on, especially this discerning of times!
LOL
If I did that, I would have every book written I need to finish writing.
Which brings me to rule #3.
Get to the point QUICKLY and PRECISELY and don't waste peoples' time with
longwinded speeches, empty diatribes, and pointless questions.
Speaking of which...
[snip]
Ike
--
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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The Tree of Life (from "The Character Map")
The Beloved
Faith Hope
Righteousness Judgment Compassion
Courage Integrity Diligence Grace
Discipline of Thought Service Desire Decision and Belief
Glory Honor Power Wisdom Riches Blessing Strength w/Thanksgiving
He Who Loves
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
30 Oct 2006 04:29:28 AM |
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162178576.774811.62380@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
You have not defined it to me, and assuming your consuming concern for
the Body, it would be worthwhile to get me properly educated to the
things of the Spirit, so that I would stop leading folks off in the
wrong direction!
LOL
You need to learn some Netiquette.
Rule #1: Don't top post.
Rule #2: Newbies keep out of conversations until they know the lay of the
land.
You got Rule #1 down.
Time to learn Rule #2.
So Please indulge me with what it is you are so
insistent on, especially this discerning of times!
LOL
If I did that, I would have every book written I need to finish writing.
Which brings me to rule #3.
Get to the point QUICKLY and PRECISELY and don't waste peoples' time with
longwinded speeches, empty diatribes, and pointless questions.
Speaking of which...
[snip]
Ike
--
www.eickleberrybooks.com
******************************
The Tree of Life (from "The Character Map")
The Beloved
Faith Hope
Righteousness Judgment Compassion
Courage Integrity Diligence Grace
Discipline of Thought Service Desire Decision and Belief
Glory Honor Power Wisdom Riches Blessing Strength w/Thanksgiving
He Who Loves
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Remove X from address to reply
So the only thing you have to offer, is some gnostic smattering, that
you think would look good in a book! One that of course you could sell
possibly! No point giving anything away here on a.b! Freely you have
received, Freely give! That's right, you did not freely receive your
private interpretation! I can only imagine what your soul is worth!
As far as instructing me, in netiquette,
#1 I do not top post, so suck real hard!
#2 I do check out the lay of the land, I am no newbie, that is why I
spotted you and your BS before I stepped in it! I had even read back in
the archives, but I wanted to give you opportunity to speak freshly to
me without the history you have with others! Some had even cautioned
me of dealing with you and your negetive message, that does not build
faith, but attempts to tear it down! Well my faith is strong, but I do
understand more clearly what they were saying!
and
#3 I got to the point as fast as your little whiny ways would take us!
It seems you have no real contribution to make to a conversation!
The scriptures say that you are to make entreaty to someone for
explanation or account of themselves, twice even three times! I have
offered to have you explain yourself many times, so I feel that you
have had ample opportunity! I will not waste any more of your time on
something which you obviously do not want to share! Take care, and God
bless you! God Loves you, and I will be praying for you!
The Eastgate is Open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
30 Oct 2006 08:58:26 AM |
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"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162204168.598182.268240@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162178576.774811.62380@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
You have not defined it to me, and assuming your consuming concern for
the Body, it would be worthwhile to get me properly educated to the
things of the Spirit, so that I would stop leading folks off in the
wrong direction!
LOL
You need to learn some Netiquette.
Rule #1: Don't top post.
Rule #2: Newbies keep out of conversations until they know the lay of the
land.
You got Rule #1 down.
Time to learn Rule #2.
So Please indulge me with what it is you are so
insistent on, especially this discerning of times!
LOL
If I did that, I would have every book written I need to finish writing.
Which brings me to rule #3.
Get to the point QUICKLY and PRECISELY and don't waste peoples' time with
longwinded speeches, empty diatribes, and pointless questions.
Speaking of which...
[snip]
Ike
--
www.eickleberrybooks.com
******************************
The Tree of Life (from "The Character Map")
The Beloved
Faith Hope
Righteousness Judgment Compassion
Courage Integrity Diligence Grace
Discipline of Thought Service Desire Decision and Belief
Glory Honor Power Wisdom Riches Blessing Strength w/Thanksgiving
He Who Loves
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Remove X from address to reply
So the only thing you have to offer, is some gnostic smattering, that
you think would look good in a book! One that of course you could sell
possibly! No point giving anything away here on a.b! Freely you have
received, Freely give! That's right, you did not freely receive your
private interpretation! I can only imagine what your soul is worth!
As far as instructing me, in netiquette,
#1 I do not top post, so suck real hard!
#2 I do check out the lay of the land, I am no newbie, that is why I
spotted you and your BS before I stepped in it! I had even read back in
the archives, but I wanted to give you opportunity to speak freshly to
me without the history you have with others! Some had even cautioned
me of dealing with you and your negetive message, that does not build
faith, but attempts to tear it down! Well my faith is strong, but I do
understand more clearly what they were saying!
and
#3 I got to the point as fast as your little whiny ways would take us!
It seems you have no real contribution to make to a conversation!
The scriptures say that you are to make entreaty to someone for
explanation or account of themselves, twice even three times! I have
offered to have you explain yourself many times, so I feel that you
have had ample opportunity! I will not waste any more of your time on
something which you obviously do not want to share! Take care, and God
bless you! God Loves you, and I will be praying for you!
LOL
Pray for youself--you need it more than I do.
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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29 Oct 2006 07:03:18 AM |
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gatekeeper wrote:
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162080491.219044.195150@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
Ike, you say you are interested in studying the word, but all I hear
you talk about, is Revelation, and Tribulation, is that all there is to
your Faith? To be contentious?
With frauds such as yourself?
Absolutely.
And why do I incessantly refer to Revealtion and Tribulation?
Because the hour cometh.
Upon the world?
No.
That's comes later.
First, it comes to the church.
1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the
gospel of God?
But the dispensationalist cultist (such as him) cut off this part with their
false interpretations, and the preterist cultists (such as yourself) say
it's not coming at all.
Neither discerns the times.
Ike
--
www.eickleberrybooks.com
******************************
The Tree of Life (from "The Character Map")
The Beloved
Faith Hope
Righteousness Judgment Compassion
Courage Integrity Diligence Grace
Discipline of Thought Service Desire Decision and Belief
Glory Honor Power Wisdom Riches Blessing Strength w/Thanksgiving
He Who Loves
******************************
Remove X from address to reply
If I remember right, 1 Peter was written prior to 70 AD, so is it
possible that Peter was referring to events that would occur at 70 AD,
regarding The Beginning of Judgement?
For that matter 1 Peter could have actually been referring to the need
for spiritual judgement even within the Church! Judgement is not
necessarily condemnation to Hell's fire, but we are to Judge ourselves,
and if we are to judge ourselves, what must the judgement of the them
be that obey not the Gospel of God? How is it that we are worthy of a
favorable judgement? We Obey the Gospel of God! And How do we obey,
but by believing the Gospel! We have already experienced the Beginning
of Judgement by being Born Again. They who have not accepted Christ,
have also already experienced the Beginning of Judgement, which must be
a terrible thing! Considering that the Beginning of Judgement started
with Christ on the Cross!
So are you one crying in the Wilderness? So "the time is come", but
that was over 2000 years ago, so if it is come, it is come to them back
then! Now it is not that we could not learn from their experience, but
please you are a little late on your take up of the prophetic cause!
No you are crying in the Church, put on this big burden of needing to
obey the law, and do these works, so that you can be saved from eternal
fire! Now that is a message that I am sure the Church needs to Hear!
Right! Especially today if they needed it 2000 years ago, they really
need it now! So let's take what was being spoken to them back then,
that had a probable fulfillment at 70 AD, make a few spiritual
adjustments, and preach the same prophetic message in 2006! That
should give me a sense of doing something important for the Kingdom,
and Oh by the way, everyone that does not buy my program is a Fraud,
cultist, false prophet, etc., and any scriptures I don't like I will
just ignore, and if Paul says something, I will choose to ignore that
as well, since he was not one of the twelve! This definitely sounds
like a plan to me! Carry on!
If you were really interested in the welfare of the Church, then show
me the Fruit of the Spirit! Those are the works that make a difference
now!
BTW, I do not even know what a preterist is, but if you say so, now I
are one! Maybe you could give me a check list, and I will let you know
if you are correct or not!
A preterist is, among other things, someone that attacks literalists
(their term) and chucks church tradition and many Scriptures in order
to hold a literal position (that "soon" means literally what they want
it to mean).
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
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29 Oct 2006 06:38:18 PM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162126998.415790.43470@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
A preterist is, among other things, someone that attacks literalists
(their term) and chucks church tradition and many Scriptures in order
to hold a literal position (that "soon" means literally what they want
it to mean).
LOL
So is a dispensationalist.
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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| User: "gatekeeper" |
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
29 Oct 2006 09:13:41 AM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
gatekeeper wrote:
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162080491.219044.195150@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
Ike, you say you are interested in studying the word, but all I hear
you talk about, is Revelation, and Tribulation, is that all there is to
your Faith? To be contentious?
With frauds such as yourself?
Absolutely.
And why do I incessantly refer to Revealtion and Tribulation?
Because the hour cometh.
Upon the world?
No.
That's comes later.
First, it comes to the church.
1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the
gospel of God?
But the dispensationalist cultist (such as him) cut off this part with their
false interpretations, and the preterist cultists (such as yourself) say
it's not coming at all.
Neither discerns the times.
Ike
--
www.eickleberrybooks.com
******************************
The Tree of Life (from "The Character Map")
The Beloved
Faith Hope
Righteousness Judgment Compassion
Courage Integrity Diligence Grace
Discipline of Thought Service Desire Decision and Belief
Glory Honor Power Wisdom Riches Blessing Strength w/Thanksgiving
He Who Loves
******************************
Remove X from address to reply
If I remember right, 1 Peter was written prior to 70 AD, so is it
possible that Peter was referring to events that would occur at 70 AD,
regarding The Beginning of Judgement?
For that matter 1 Peter could have actually been referring to the need
for spiritual judgement even within the Church! Judgement is not
necessarily condemnation to Hell's fire, but we are to Judge ourselves,
and if we are to judge ourselves, what must the judgement of the them
be that obey not the Gospel of God? How is it that we are worthy of a
favorable judgement? We Obey the Gospel of God! And How do we obey,
but by believing the Gospel! We have already experienced the Beginning
of Judgement by being Born Again. They who have not accepted Christ,
have also already experienced the Beginning of Judgement, which must be
a terrible thing! Considering that the Beginning of Judgement started
with Christ on the Cross!
So are you one crying in the Wilderness? So "the time is come", but
that was over 2000 years ago, so if it is come, it is come to them back
then! Now it is not that we could not learn from their experience, but
please you are a little late on your take up of the prophetic cause!
No you are crying in the Church, put on this big burden of needing to
obey the law, and do these works, so that you can be saved from eternal
fire! Now that is a message that I am sure the Church needs to Hear!
Right! Especially today if they needed it 2000 years ago, they really
need it now! So let's take what was being spoken to them back then,
that had a probable fulfillment at 70 AD, make a few spiritual
adjustments, and preach the same prophetic message in 2006! That
should give me a sense of doing something important for the Kingdom,
and Oh by the way, everyone that does not buy my program is a Fraud,
cultist, false prophet, etc., and any scriptures I don't like I will
just ignore, and if Paul says something, I will choose to ignore that
as well, since he was not one of the twelve! This definitely sounds
like a plan to me! Carry on!
If you were really interested in the welfare of the Church, then show
me the Fruit of the Spirit! Those are the works that make a difference
now!
BTW, I do not even know what a preterist is, but if you say so, now I
are one! Maybe you could give me a check list, and I will let you know
if you are correct or not!
A preterist is, among other things, someone that attacks literalists
(their term) and chucks church tradition and many Scriptures in order
to hold a literal position (that "soon" means literally what they want
it to mean).
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
This helps a little, is preterist good or bad? Am I to understand that
the Literalist (their term), are being out literalized by the
preterist? Is this the main problem?
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
29 Oct 2006 07:09:37 PM |
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"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162134821.782402.40860@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
This helps a little, is preterist good or bad? Am I to understand that
the Literalist (their term), are being out literalized by the
preterist? Is this the main problem?
LOL
Some "gatekeeper."
You don't even know the subject matter, i.e. the requirements for keeping
the gate.
You're done.
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
29 Oct 2006 09:08:59 PM |
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162134821.782402.40860@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
This helps a little, is preterist good or bad? Am I to understand that
the Literalist (their term), are being out literalized by the
preterist? Is this the main problem?
LOL
Some "gatekeeper."
You don't even know the subject matter, i.e. the requirements for keeping
the gate.
You're done.
Who cares what you say, Ike? I mean, really, think about it. Why
should anyone care what a music-degreed, self-published book author
(that rejects even his own denomination's views) has to say about
anything?
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
30 Oct 2006 12:14:10 AM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162177739.635307.134020@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162134821.782402.40860@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
This helps a little, is preterist good or bad? Am I to understand that
the Literalist (their term), are being out literalized by the
preterist? Is this the main problem?
LOL
Some "gatekeeper."
You don't even know the subject matter, i.e. the requirements for keeping
the gate.
You're done.
Who cares what you say, Ike? I mean, really, think about it. Why
should anyone care what a music-degreed, self-published book author
(that rejects even his own denomination's views) has to say about
anything?
LOL
Oh, you want to go around that track again, there, soldier from the
"artillary?"
1) I'm not "music-degreed." I'm multiple degreed in music, education, and
computer science. (And that from real schools, not Billy Bob's
Correspondence Cult Bible School.)
2) I don't "reject my denominations views." In fact, you don't even know
what my denominations views are.
But, alas, this is what you do when you loose the argument yet again--resort
to the personal attack so you don't have to deal with the message.
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
30 Oct 2006 06:59:27 AM |
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162134821.782402.40860@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
This helps a little, is preterist good or bad? Am I to understand that
the Literalist (their term), are being out literalized by the
preterist? Is this the main problem?
LOL
Some "gatekeeper."
You don't even know the subject matter, i.e. the requirements for keeping
the gate.
You're done.
Who cares what you say, Ike? I mean, really, think about it. Why
should anyone care what a music-degreed, self-published book author
(that rejects even his own denomination's views) has to say about
anything?
LOL
Oh, you want to go around that track again, there, soldier from the
"artillary?"
Ok. Fine. I'm done with dodging this question, since it is giving me
probably more grief than not answering it (and the following info has
been on my website for days now...if you cared to look).
I served for 8 yrs in the National Guard on a 101A1 and then 102
cannon. Then, I served two years in the crew of a 109A6 Paladin
self-propelled cannon in the active army. I was promoted, won soldier
of the month, got a batallion coin for service, and was awarded the
Army Achievement medal. I was in the 75th Bde and the 1/17th
Battalion. Ask me what the coin looks like. I can tell you. Tell me
to describe the AAM, I can. Ask me what you have to do to win soldier
of the month. I can tell you in detail. I won't disclose info on the
gun, but ask me what it's like to go weeks out in the field with only
MRE's to eat. I was there. Then, after I was injured, I drove the 1st
sgt around for a bit in a Hum-V. Ask me about the hummer. I know it
well.
So, you want to keep mocking my service to this country? Did you
serve...anywhere? Why not, coward? Did you decide that attacking
Christians online was as good as attacking the enemy of the country?
1) I'm not "music-degreed." I'm multiple degreed in music, education, and
computer science. (And that from real schools, not Billy Bob's
Correspondence Cult Bible School.)
Contradiction there. You said you didn't have a degree in music.
Then, you said you did. Make up your mind. As for me, my degree is
the Bachelor's of Religion (Bible Study) from Liberty University.
However, before you start in on the anti-falwell stuff, Falwell has
nothing to do with the school's administration, and most of my degree
is from other schools prior to coming there (like Univesity of Northern
Iowa and Florida Southern College). But, I guess an accredited degree
from a University is just ... what id dyou call it...Billy Bob's
Correspondence Cult Bible School," right?
2) I don't "reject my denominations views." In fact, you don't even know
what my denominations views are.
You told me that you rejected the Lutheran position in some things
yourself, said you were like Luther in doing it. Now, are you going
back on your word there....not suprising.
But, alas, this is what you do when you loose the argument yet again--resort
to the personal attack so you don't have to deal with the message.
Ike
When you claim authority, don't expect people to check if you are
speaking out of authority or out of your *****. I have a Bible degree to
speak on the Bible. If you want to speak on music, go right ahead. No
one will challenge you. In fact, why DON'T you speak on it? Why did
you get a degree in one thing and spend all of your time in another?
Sounds like you don't know what you want.
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
30 Oct 2006 09:44:31 AM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162213167.663198.294180@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162177739.635307.134020@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162134821.782402.40860@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
This helps a little, is preterist good or bad? Am I to understand
that
the Literalist (their term), are being out literalized by the
preterist? Is this the main problem?
LOL
Some "gatekeeper."
You don't even know the subject matter, i.e. the requirements for
keeping
the gate.
You're done.
Who cares what you say, Ike? I mean, really, think about it. Why
should anyone care what a music-degreed, self-published book author
(that rejects even his own denomination's views) has to say about
anything?
LOL
Oh, you want to go around that track again, there, soldier from the
"artillary?"
Ok. Fine. I'm done with dodging this question, since it is giving me
probably more grief than not answering it (and the following info has
been on my website for days now...if you cared to look).
I served for 8 yrs in the National Guard on a 101A1 and then 102
cannon. Then, I served two years in the crew of a 109A6 Paladin
self-propelled cannon in the active army. I was promoted, won soldier
of the month, got a batallion coin for service, and was awarded the
Army Achievement medal. I was in the 75th Bde and the 1/17th
Battalion. Ask me what the coin looks like. I can tell you. Tell me
to describe the AAM, I can. Ask me what you have to do to win soldier
of the month. I can tell you in detail. I won't disclose info on the
gun, but ask me what it's like to go weeks out in the field with only
MRE's to eat. I was there. Then, after I was injured, I drove the 1st
sgt around for a bit in a Hum-V. Ask me about the hummer. I know it
well.
LOL
'bout time you fessed up.
When I stated I had 10 years active military service (split 7/3), yours
became "10 years active service," because mine was.
P.S. You spelled Battalion wrong, too.
So, you want to keep mocking my service to this country?
No, I'm mocking your propensity for distorting the facts.
Did you
serve...anywhere?
Duh.
That's what started the argument.
Why not, coward? Did you decide that attacking
Christians online was as good as attacking the enemy of the country?
I don't "attack Christians."
I rebuke the self-deluded who may or may not only THINK they're Christians.
1) I'm not "music-degreed." I'm multiple degreed in music, education, and
computer science. (And that from real schools, not Billy Bob's
Correspondence Cult Bible School.)
Contradiction there.
No contradiction at all.
You said you didn't have a degree in music.
Then, you said you did. Make up your mind.
I never said I didn't have a degree in music. I said I had MORE than a
degree in music.
As for me, my degree is
the Bachelor's of Religion (Bible Study) from Liberty University.
Oh, you poor thing.
However, before you start in on the anti-falwell stuff, Falwell has
nothing to do with the school's administration, and most of my degree
is from other schools prior to coming there (like University of Northern
Iowa and Florida Southern College). But, I guess an accredited degree
from a University is just ... what id dyou call it...Billy Bob's
Correspondence Cult Bible School," right?
Liberty, Oral Roberts, Bob Jones--those are the epitome of Billy Bob Bible
Schools.
Now, as to FSC, an outstanding professor of mine who developed the music
business program at ISU came from there. Pretty good school from what I
understand, and, as it turns out, Methodist as well (like our Manchester
College here in Indiana).
Now THAT would have been a better school at which to study the Bible. But,
noooo--they're Wesleyans, and not Calvinists, and you don't buy into the
lopsided notions of Calvinistic determinism, so that wouldn't do, now would
it?
Then again, you could have simply moved, but it's still a damn shame--you
could have gone to a good school that takes the whole of scripture into
consideration, but, no, you just had to go to the cult school that doesn't
teach you to think about or argue the Bible, but to follow the cult line
incessantly.
(Turns out I'm not the first person who informed you that you were wrong,
and STILL you insist on following the great detractors.)
2) I don't "reject my denominations views." In fact, you don't even know
what my denominations views are.
You told me that you rejected the Lutheran position in some things
yourself, said you were like Luther in doing it. Now, are you going
back on your word there....not surprising.
LOL.
Rejecting a presupposition because it turns out that it is not entirely true
IS Lutheran.
But, alas, this is what you do when you loose the argument yet
again--resort
to the personal attack so you don't have to deal with the message.
Ike
When you claim authority, don't expect people to check if you are
speaking out of authority or out of your *****.
LOL
Authority is where you find it.
I have a Bible degree to
speak on the Bible.
And yet you don't KNOW the Bible, i.e. the mechanics, the language, the
history, etc., etc.: You only know the official cult line.
And yet I didn't, and DO grasp the mechanics, the language, the history,
etc., etc. (which is how I know what you false prophets are doing to
prophecy).
If you want to speak on music, go right ahead. No
one will challenge you.
LOL
David was a musician so he would learn intricacy and expression.
David was a shepherd so he would learn pragmatism and the work ethic.
David was a warrior so he would learn discipline and sacrifice.
All these prepared him to be a king.
In the faithful, "education" is where you find it.
The Pharisees, Sadducees, and Herodians rely on their schools and degrees,
but they never learn anything--that just prattle on according to the cult
line.
In fact, why DON'T you speak on it?
Because I'm not a Pharisee, Sadducee, or Herodian--that's what THEY rely on.
Why did
you get a degree in one thing and spend all of your time in another?
I've "spent my time" in lots of things, and everyone of them prepares me for
the next step.
Sounds like you don't know what you want.
LOL
I a way, that's true, because the more I experienced, the more I realized
that that was what I didn't want, not knowing that I was being moved towards
something that I DID want.
That's how God moves in the lives of the believers.
(One of my great contentions with ALL the churches is the "scholastic"
process that developed over time that directly opposes the selectee approach
documented in the book of Acts, i.e. no one "went to school" to "become" a
minister of the Word, but the most experienced from among the congregations
were designated the next generation of leaders. In other words, one had to
be a person before they could be a preacher, and not the other way around.
Remnants of Catholicism, I suppose.)
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
30 Oct 2006 09:59:09 AM |
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162213167.663198.294180@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162177739.635307.134020@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162134821.782402.40860@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
This helps a little, is preterist good or bad? Am I to understand
that
the Literalist (their term), are being out literalized by the
preterist? Is this the main problem?
LOL
Some "gatekeeper."
You don't even know the subject matter, i.e. the requirements for
keeping
the gate.
You're done.
Who cares what you say, Ike? I mean, really, think about it. Why
should anyone care what a music-degreed, self-published book author
(that rejects even his own denomination's views) has to say about
anything?
LOL
Oh, you want to go around that track again, there, soldier from the
"artillary?"
Ok. Fine. I'm done with dodging this question, since it is giving me
probably more grief than not answering it (and the following info has
been on my website for days now...if you cared to look).
I served for 8 yrs in the National Guard on a 101A1 and then 102
cannon. Then, I served two years in the crew of a 109A6 Paladin
self-propelled cannon in the active army. I was promoted, won soldier
of the month, got a batallion coin for service, and was awarded the
Army Achievement medal. I was in the 75th Bde and the 1/17th
Battalion. Ask me what the coin looks like. I can tell you. Tell me
to describe the AAM, I can. Ask me what you have to do to win soldier
of the month. I can tell you in detail. I won't disclose info on the
gun, but ask me what it's like to go weeks out in the field with only
MRE's to eat. I was there. Then, after I was injured, I drove the 1st
sgt around for a bit in a Hum-V. Ask me about the hummer. I know it
well.
LOL
'bout time you fessed up.
When I stated I had 10 years active military service (split 7/3), yours
became "10 years active service," because mine was.
P.S. You spelled Battalion wrong, too.
When did you say you had any military service? Yet, you can go back
years in a web search to see that I've said this from the start. In
fact, if you don't I will to prove it.
So, you want to keep mocking my service to this country?
No, I'm mocking your propensity for distorting the facts.
Did you
serve...anywhere?
Duh.
That's what started the argument.
Where? When? This arguement started because I said you had a music
degree. Are you saying music is military?
Why not, coward? Did you decide that attacking
Christians online was as good as attacking the enemy of the country?
I don't "attack Christians."
I rebuke the self-deluded who may or may not only THINK they're Christians.
1) I'm not "music-degreed." I'm multiple degreed in music, education, and
computer science. (And that from real schools, not Billy Bob's
Correspondence Cult Bible School.)
Contradiction there.
No contradiction at all.
You said you didn't have a degree in music.
Then, you said you did. Make up your mind.
I never said I didn't have a degree in music. I said I had MORE than a
degree in music.
"I am not music degreed" - "I am not music degreed only" - not the
same
As for me, my degree is
the Bachelor's of Religion (Bible Study) from Liberty University.
Oh, you poor thing.
However, before you start in on the anti-falwell stuff, Falwell has
nothing to do with the school's administration, and most of my degree
is from other schools prior to coming there (like University of Northern
Iowa and Florida Southern College). But, I guess an accredited degree
from a University is just ... what id dyou call it...Billy Bob's
Correspondence Cult Bible School," right?
Liberty, Oral Roberts, Bob Jones--those are the epitome of Billy Bob Bible
Schools.
And, yet, many military officers have Liberty Degrees and people like
Sean Hannity and Sen McCain feel the need to speak there. Not to
mention having a debate team that beat Harvard and a Basketball team
that reached the sweet sixteen (yea...some little school).
Now, as to FSC, an outstanding professor of mine who developed the music
business program at ISU came from there. Pretty good school from what I
understand, and, as it turns out, Methodist as well (like our Manchester
College here in Indiana).
Now THAT would have been a better school at which to study the Bible. But,
noooo--they're Wesleyans, and not Calvinists, and you don't buy into the
lopsided notions of Calvinistic determinism, so that wouldn't do, now would
it?
I took New Testament and Old Testament at that school. However, I bet
I'm still not good enough for you.
Then again, you could have simply moved, but it's still a damn shame--you
could have gone to a good school that takes the whole of scripture into
consideration, but, no, you just had to go to the cult school that doesn't
teach you to think about or argue the Bible, but to follow the cult line
incessantly.
(Turns out I'm not the first person who informed you that you were wrong,
and STILL you insist on following the great detractors.)
Actually, LU's Bible courses were more diverse of opinions than were
FSC.
2) I don't "reject my denominations views." In fact, you don't even know
what my denominations views are.
You told me that you rejected the Lutheran position in some things
yourself, said you were like Luther in doing it. Now, are you going
back on your word there....not surprising.
LOL.
Rejecting a presupposition because it turns out that it is not entirely true
IS Lutheran.
Thus, what I said is correct.
But, alas, this is what you do when you loose the argument yet
again--resort
to the personal attack so you don't have to deal with the message.
Ike
When you claim authority, don't expect people to check if you are
speaking out of authority or out of your *****.
LOL
Authority is where you find it.
I have a Bible degree to
speak on the Bible.
And yet you don't KNOW the Bible, i.e. the mechanics, the language, the
history, etc., etc.: You only know the official cult line.
And yet I didn't, and DO grasp the mechanics, the language, the history,
etc., etc. (which is how I know what you false prophets are doing to
prophecy).
If you want to speak on music, go right ahead. No
one will challenge you.
LOL
David was a musician so he would learn intricacy and expression.
David was a shepherd so he would learn pragmatism and the work ethic.
David was a warrior so he would learn discipline and sacrifice.
All these prepared him to be a king.
In the faithful, "education" is where you find it.
The Pharisees, Sadducees, and Herodians rely on their schools and degrees,
but they never learn anything--that just prattle on according to the cult
line.
So, you admit having no authority on the Bible to speak on it any more
than any billy bob beleiver? Yet, you discredit one who does?
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: "Has Eternal Life" (faith forever, pt7) |
31 Oct 2006 02:41:07 AM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162223949.696007.30090@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162213167.663198.294180@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162177739.635307.134020@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162134821.782402.40860@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
This helps a little, is preterist good or bad? Am I to understand
that
the Literalist (their term), are being out literalized by the
preterist? Is this the main problem?
LOL
Some "gatekeeper."
You don't even know the subject matter, i.e. the requirements for
keeping
the gate.
You're done.
Who cares what you say, Ike? I mean, really, think about it. Why
should anyone care what a music-degreed, self-published book author
(that rejects even his own denomination's views) has to say about
anything?
LOL
Oh, you want to go around that track again, there, soldier from the
"artillary?"
Ok. Fine. I'm done with dodging this question, since it is giving me
probably more grief than not answering it (and the following info has
been on my website for days now...if you cared to look).
I served for 8 yrs in the National Guard on a 101A1 and then 102
cannon. Then, I served two years in the crew of a 109A6 Paladin
self-propelled cannon in the active army. I was promoted, won soldier
of the month, got a batallion coin for service, and was awarded the
Army Achievement medal. I was in the 75th Bde and the 1/17th
Battalion. Ask me what the coin looks like. I can tell you. Tell me
to describe the AAM, I can. Ask me what you have to do to win soldier
of the month. I can tell you in detail. I won't disclose info on the
gun, but ask me what it's like to go weeks out in the field with only
MRE's to eat. I was there. Then, after I was injured, I drove the 1st
sgt around for a bit in a Hum-V. Ask me about the hummer. I know it
well.
LOL
'bout time you fessed up.
When I stated I had 10 years active military service (split 7/3), yours
became "10 years active service," because mine was.
P.S. You spelled Battalion wrong, too.
When did you say you had any military service?
My, what a short memory you have.
You went to my website, then attempted to equate yourself with me (as if it
actually makes any difference).
Yet, you can go back
years in a web search to see that I've said this from the start. In
fact, if you don't I will to prove it.
I would suggest YOU go back and do the search and remember why you brought
it up in the first place.
So, you want to keep mocking my service to this country?
No, I'm mocking your propensity for distorting the facts.
Did you
serve...anywhere?
Duh.
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