Religions > Bible > He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world... Eph. 1:4
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"old man joe" |
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27 Nov 2006 03:44:27 PM |
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He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world... Eph. 1:4 |
the wonderful doctrine of Sovereign grace as God's only means to
saving sinners through Jesus Christ is explained by Paul in a way that
only the hardened hearts of Christianity can miss.
in just 3 simple words the Apostle begins his discourse on what he
means when he says " Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus
Christ " .... " who has blessed us "... in the preceding verse.
Paul knew quite well that " salvation is of the Lord " ( Ps. 3:8 )
as the Psalmist so aptly put it, and by personal revelation to Paul as
Apostle to the Gentiles, he dissects the doctrine of Sovereign grace
so that his hearers for all generations present and future would give
praise unto God, just as the Apostle has in verse 3, and not praise
themselves through ' will worship '.
Paul explains succinctly ( verse 4 ) that " He chose us " which
mirror's the words of Jesus who says " You did not choose Me, but I
chose you " Joh. 15:16
that there can never be a boast in the mouth of those who think they
are saved by their ' free will ' as they chose Christ... Paul explains
that God not only did the choosing, but He did it before He ever
framed the universe.
this speaks to God's foreknowledge as well as to His magnificent
power to predestine all of history to the good of His elect and to the
praise of His glory.
foreknowledge is not post-knowledge as the Arminian Universalist
Evangelical's suppose. such is the result of exegesis based on the
boast of free will... taking credit from God and heaping it on self
instead.
God's choosing who will be saved resides solely in " His purpose "
( verse 11 ) to show His " kind intention " towards those whom He
chose to save, and not on some good work foreseen in the creature as a
cause moving Him there onto.
that would be salvation by works... which excludes grace...
" salvation is of the Lord "... " He chose us "... " you have not
chosen Me, but I chose you "
that Christ is the " Author " of the salvation of His elect ones
( Heb. 12:2 ) excludes the notion that " there's a lot of blood out
there... Christ died for everyone...all you have to do is accept Him "
this idea stems from a Gnostic belief that Christ died for all men
even though not all are saved... as though unbelief is the only
condemning sin, which is not... Rev. 21:8 for example.
this idea also seeks to say that God is not Sovereign nor omnipotent
and that Christs sacrifice has no power to save unless man applies his
magic free will to it. It's not hard to see where this doctrine of
demons comes from... nor those who follow it.
this choice of God resides in the secret council of His own
purpose. it is not given to man to save man because " salvation is of
the Lord "... God does the choosing, apart from works... " He chose us
in Himself "... so that the thankfulness which follows genuine
pardoning of sin would go to the Lord God and not be found in the
mouth of boastful men who've masterminded their own salvation through
will worship.
as the Apostle teaches " I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave
the increase. " 1Co 3:6
' free will ', to be something necessary to salvation, would
consistently have to be shown in Scripture when sinners are being
saved by God. but it is not.
rather, God has so framed every salvation event illustrated in
Scripture to show that " salvation is of the Lord "...
at least these 4 Bible men were described to have been called to
Christ for the express purpose of God to be the objects of His love
and Sovereign grace in salvation :
these are Jacob; David; Jeremiah and John the Baptist.
all 4 were fetuses in their mothers womb when God applied the
atoning blood of Christ to them and pardoned their sin... they were
all elected without ' free will ' to accept or reject... no boast
possible... no forcing man to do something he doesn't want to do.
why ? because there is no such thing as free will. being in the
snare of the devil at his will means all of unsaved man is his slaves.
and will remain so unless God, of His free will, chooses to grace them
with pardon and eternal life.
the dead human spirit hears only the god of the spiritually dead.
he does not hear the things of God, for such is foolishness to him.
but when the Living God gives him a living human spirit, he is
translated from the kingdom of Satan to the Kingdom of His dear Son.
the choice to save him is God's choice... not man's. " He chose us "
Eph. 1:4
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| Title: Re: He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world... Eph. 1:4 |
27 Nov 2006 08:48:33 PM |
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old man joe wrote:
the wonderful doctrine of Sovereign grace as God's only means to
saving sinners through Jesus Christ is explained by Paul in a way that
only the hardened hearts of Christianity can miss.
in just 3 simple words the Apostle begins his discourse on what he
means when he says " Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus
Christ " .... " who has blessed us "... in the preceding verse.
Paul knew quite well that " salvation is of the Lord " ( Ps. 3:8 )
as the Psalmist so aptly put it, and by personal revelation to Paul as
Apostle to the Gentiles, he dissects the doctrine of Sovereign grace
so that his hearers for all generations present and future would give
praise unto God, just as the Apostle has in verse 3, and not praise
themselves through ' will worship '.
Paul explains succinctly ( verse 4 ) that " He chose us " which
mirror's the words of Jesus who says " You did not choose Me, but I
chose you " Joh. 15:16
that there can never be a boast in the mouth of those who think they
are saved by their ' free will ' as they chose Christ... Paul explains
that God not only did the choosing, but He did it before He ever
framed the universe.
this speaks to God's foreknowledge as well as to His magnificent
power to predestine all of history to the good of His elect and to the
praise of His glory.
foreknowledge is not post-knowledge as the Arminian Universalist
Evangelical's suppose. such is the result of exegesis based on the
boast of free will... taking credit from God and heaping it on self
instead.
God's choosing who will be saved resides solely in " His purpose "
( verse 11 ) to show His " kind intention " towards those whom He
chose to save, and not on some good work foreseen in the creature as a
cause moving Him there onto.
that would be salvation by works... which excludes grace...
" salvation is of the Lord "... " He chose us "... " you have not
chosen Me, but I chose you "
that Christ is the " Author " of the salvation of His elect ones
( Heb. 12:2 ) excludes the notion that " there's a lot of blood out
there... Christ died for everyone...all you have to do is accept Him "
this idea stems from a Gnostic belief that Christ died for all men
even though not all are saved... as though unbelief is the only
condemning sin, which is not... Rev. 21:8 for example.
this idea also seeks to say that God is not Sovereign nor omnipotent
and that Christs sacrifice has no power to save unless man applies his
magic free will to it. It's not hard to see where this doctrine of
demons comes from... nor those who follow it.
this choice of God resides in the secret council of His own
purpose. it is not given to man to save man because " salvation is of
the Lord "... God does the choosing, apart from works... " He chose us
in Himself "... so that the thankfulness which follows genuine
pardoning of sin would go to the Lord God and not be found in the
mouth of boastful men who've masterminded their own salvation through
will worship.
as the Apostle teaches " I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave
the increase. " 1Co 3:6
' free will ', to be something necessary to salvation, would
consistently have to be shown in Scripture when sinners are being
saved by God. but it is not.
rather, God has so framed every salvation event illustrated in
Scripture to show that " salvation is of the Lord "...
at least these 4 Bible men were described to have been called to
Christ for the express purpose of God to be the objects of His love
and Sovereign grace in salvation :
these are Jacob; David; Jeremiah and John the Baptist.
all 4 were fetuses in their mothers womb when God applied the
atoning blood of Christ to them and pardoned their sin... they were
all elected without ' free will ' to accept or reject... no boast
possible... no forcing man to do something he doesn't want to do.
why ? because there is no such thing as free will. being in the
snare of the devil at his will means all of unsaved man is his slaves.
and will remain so unless God, of His free will, chooses to grace them
with pardon and eternal life.
the dead human spirit hears only the god of the spiritually dead.
he does not hear the things of God, for such is foolishness to him.
but when the Living God gives him a living human spirit, he is
translated from the kingdom of Satan to the Kingdom of His dear Son.
the choice to save him is God's choice... not man's. " He chose us "
Eph. 1:4
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We have elevated Free Will above the Grace of God! When we were dead
in trespasses and sin, we had a will, but it was not free! We were
slaves of sin and death! What should make us think that we were free
to choose Life, when we were totally depraved and Lost, unless of
course you don't think you were totally depraved and Lost! There are
many that say we were lost, but then say they found Him, and were
saved! If they found Him, it was because He was already seeking them,
and had led them to the edge of discovery!
When I came to the edge of discovery, first thing I realized, was that
I was dead! I did not have a free will to do one good thing, to even
believe! But then I found that He lifted me up, and breathed into me
His Holy Spirit, and New Life came into the Old Dead Bones. In the
vision of old dead bones, did those bones have a free will, to choose
life, and to live? Neither do we!
Once that New Life was coursing through my body, soul and spirit, then
I found that He had been seeking me for a very long time, in fact, He
had my name written in the Lamb's Book of Life, from before the
foundation of the world! The Hound of Heaven, had chased me until I
caught Him! I can hear Him Laughing and Rejoiceing still in that
glorious day, when my eyes were opened to see Him! I saw that I needed
a Savior, and that I could not save myself, or even will for myself to
be saved! For when it was left up to me and my will, I rejected the
knowledge of God completely! I did not want to have anything to do
with Him! I was trully dead in Sin and Trespasses, the same as all
other men!
But by an act of His Soverign Grace, He touched me and Healed me! And
I who had not wanted anything to do with Him, now could not get enough
of Him! Sirs, I would see Jesus!
Now it is not that those who have chosen Jesus, are not saved! For
they were taken to that point of discovery by the Holy Spirit! Some
may never understant the events that transpired to get them to that
point! They may think that they have a free will, and they are free to
believe that for it will not change their standing in the Kingdom of
God! I even can invite them to turn their lives over to Jesus, and that
will not change their response if they think they have free will!
Such is the Soverign Grace of God, that all who come will be saved!
The understanding, may or may not ever come, but if they desire to see
Jesus, they shall see Him on that Glorious Day of His Unveiling! He is
our Joy, and we rejoice in His Grace! Grace that we should even
understand in a little way, the mystery of His Grace!
And so I offer, "Whosoever will, may come in!" The invitation is the
same, the results are the same, for we have a Gracious Soverign, who is
full of Soverign Grace!
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world... Eph. 1:4 |
27 Nov 2006 09:06:54 PM |
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the christian god is a TOTAL AND COMPLETE CROCK OF CRAP.
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