On Jun 9, 12:29 am, "Jack Baun" <blue...@gwis.com> wrote:

"Donna Kupp" <d...@charter.net> wrote in message

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At first, Ellen White, prophetess of the Seventh Day Adventist
church,
was absolutely correct when she spoke on the subject of sin and
salvation. She stated that we must keep the Sabbath, sin was
transgression of the ten commandment law of God and that only those
who ceased from all willful sin would receive eternal life.

However, in 1863 she was given a vision by an angel which required
"Health Reform" for all those who were to receive eternal life. One
of the requirements of Health Reform was to stop eating flesh foods -
no meat - clean or unclean.

Mrs. White insisted that the gospel now included Health Reform. "The
LORD has given instruction that the Gospel is to be carried forward;
and the GOSPEL INCLUDES HEALTH REFORM in all its phases." {TSDF 88.5}

James White* stated specifically that without control of appetite
there was no hope of heaven: "...one of the highest attainments in
the
Christian life is to control appetite, and that, without this
victory,
all hope of heaven is vain." Christian Temperance 206

Mrs. White believed that an angel of God had taught her that to
control appetite meant that men must stop eating the flesh of dead
animals: "The meat diet is the serious question. Shall HUMAN BEINGS
live on the flesh of dead animals. The answer from the light GOD HAS
GIVEN ME is, No, decidedly NO. CDF, p. 388

The teaching that man must stop eating clean meats is not found in
the
Scriptures. In fact, it is a direct contradiction to what is taught
in the Scriptures by word and example in the life of Jesus. Not
only
did the Son of God eat meat, he commanded others to eat meat during
Passover.

Satan's cunning deception behind the gospel of Health Reform was to
get Mrs. White to mistakenly add false doctrine to the wonderful
truth
of the Sabbath and obedience to God taught by the pioneer Adventists.
If the elders of the SDA church had demanded that the gospel of
Health
Reform be tested against the warning of the apostles it would have
been rejected.

Paul warned specifically that there would never be another gospel:
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL unto
you than that which WE have preached unto you, let him be
accursed." Galatians 1:8

Could it be any clearer? Mrs. White was taught the gospel of health
reform by an angel from heaven - and that gospel was not taught by
Jesus or the apostles!

This new gospel was one of Satan's great victories. The gospel of
Health Reform has caused irreconcilable division among the
commandment
keeping people of God for over a hundred years. The sad truth is
that many have rejected the Sabbath truth taught by Adventists
because
they also see the heresy of teaching another gospel.

Not only is the gospel of Health Reform another gospel, it is a
resurrection of the "Colossian Heresy" which taught that Jesus alone
was not sufficient for salvation. Paul was fighting against the
heresy that we could not have the power for victory over sin unless
we
subjected the body to severe discipline according to the doctrines of
men.

Paul said:

COL 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain
deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world,
and not after Christ.

COL 2:23 These [traditions of men] have indeed an appearance of
wisdom in promoting rigor of devotion and self-abasement and severity
to the body, but they are of no value in checking the indulgence of
the flesh.

Did Mrs. White teach the Colossian Heresy in that one could not have
victory over sin if you ate meat? Here is what she said - you
decide....

"The controlling power of appetite will prove the ruin of thousands,
when, if they had conquered on this point, then they would have had
the moral power to gain the victory over every other temptation of
Satan. But those who are slaves to appetite will fail in perfecting
Christian character." T., V. III, p. 485. {HL 74.4}

"...one of the highest attainments in the Christian life is to
control
appetite, and that, without this victory, all hope of heaven is
vain." James White* Christian Temperance 206

If any doubt remains, compare the specific warning of Paul about
"taste not, touch not" with the specific teaching of the gospel of
Health reform.

Paul: Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the
rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye
subject to ordinances, TOUCH NOT; TASTE NOT; handle not;

Mrs. White:

The Lord would bring his people into a position where they WILL NOT
TOUCH OR TASTE the flesh of dead animals" {PUR, November 7, 1901
par.
1}

If we will simply listen to these forewarnings of Paul and trust them
without compromise - the gospel of Health Reform is exposed as a
counterfeit.

1. Paul warned against a "doctrines of demons" that forbid eating
(clean) meat.

2. Paul warned against an angel from heaven teaching "any other"
gospel.

3. Paul warned against the teaching that Jesus alone is not
sufficient to overcome sin.

Many of my brothers and sisters here on this earth are Adventists
and
the gospel of Health Reform creates a constant and insurmountable
wall
of deception between us. I can only hope there are some who have the
courage to look at these facts with an open mind. The honest heart
that studies the Scriptures will admit that to stop eating clean meat
as a requirement for heaven was not taught by Jesus or the apostles.
It is a tradition of man.

It is another gospel...

Harold Kupp

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter
times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing
spirits, and doctrines of devils.... and commanding to abstain from
meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of
them
which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good,
and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

* 1890 Christian Temperance by Mrs. Ellen G. White (pp. 7-162) and
Bible Hygiene by Elder James White, 268 pp. overall. Good Health Pub.
Co., Battle Creek, Mich.

The preface declares: "This book is not a new presentation . . but is
simply a compilation, and in some sense an abstract, of the various
writings of Mrs. White upon this subject (health), to which have been
added several articles by Elder James White elucidating the same
principles . . The work of compilation has been done under the
supervision of Mrs. White, by a committee appointed by her for the
purpose; and the manuscript has been carefully examined by her.

"The purpose in the preparation of this volume has been to gather
together, in a condensed form, writings which were scattered through
various volumes, and some that have never before appeared in print."

The E. G. W. section comprises eighteen chapters and a group of
"fragments." She later amplified the principal chapters and made them
the body of The Ministry of Healing (1905). Nine chapters, in whole
or
in part, were incorporated into Counsels on Health (1923) or
Fundamentals of Christian Education (1923).
**************************************************
The comment was in CTBH but actually written by JW -> BUT adventists
are still
not off the hook - EGW did not write it - but she approved it.

Note: "The work of compilation has been done under the supervision of
Mrs. White, by a committee appointed by her for the purpose; and the
manuscript has been carefully examined by her."

Surely, they cannot suggest that she approved it but did not believe
it? EGW endorsed it and published it with her approval.

HK

The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.freetruth.info
Health is everyones business ,contamination is/will be the most
dangerous
thing people have to face in the end times and most of the problems are
with flesh and the truth is we need very little of it. things will get
worse so why not avoid the largest problem with sanitation and drugged
animals the more it is processed the better chance for hazards to
health.
It is wise to stop taking chances , not gospel, but health. Most all the
huge powerful animals do not drink milk or eat flesh but are vegitarians
and drink nothing but water, get smart or get sick. Jack- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Donna writes:

The gospel of Health Reform is "another gospel" from the gospel that
Jesus and the apostles lived and preached. Jesus ate flesh-meat!
Jesus was without sin --or we wouldn't have a saviour. The apostles
ate flesh-meat. So, for people to preach that vegetarianism is a
requirement for salvation is to preach "another gospel" from the
gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached.

Christians have the freedom to eat flesh-meat, or not eat flesh-meat,
according to their faith. The apostle Paul wrote:

"For the kingdom of God is NOT MEAT AND DRINK; but righteousness, and
peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost." Romans 14:17

Donna Kupp

The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.freetruth.info

Like I said you'll get to heaven a lot faster your way.

On Jun 9, 12:29 am, "Jack Baun" <blue...@gwis.com> wrote:

"Donna Kupp" <d...@charter.net> wrote in message

news:1181365012.209852.152580@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

At first, Ellen White, prophetess of the Seventh Day Adventist
church,
was absolutely correct when she spoke on the subject of sin and
salvation. She stated that we must keep the Sabbath, sin was
transgression of the ten commandment law of God and that only those
who ceased from all willful sin would receive eternal life.

However, in 1863 she was given a vision by an angel which required
"Health Reform" for all those who were to receive eternal life. One
of the requirements of Health Reform was to stop eating flesh foods -
no meat - clean or unclean.

Mrs. White insisted that the gospel now included Health Reform. "The
LORD has given instruction that the Gospel is to be carried forward;
and the GOSPEL INCLUDES HEALTH REFORM in all its phases." {TSDF 88.5}

James White* stated specifically that without control of appetite
there was no hope of heaven: "...one of the highest attainments in
the
Christian life is to control appetite, and that, without this
victory,
all hope of heaven is vain." Christian Temperance 206

Mrs. White believed that an angel of God had taught her that to
control appetite meant that men must stop eating the flesh of dead
animals: "The meat diet is the serious question. Shall HUMAN BEINGS
live on the flesh of dead animals. The answer from the light GOD HAS
GIVEN ME is, No, decidedly NO. CDF, p. 388

The teaching that man must stop eating clean meats is not found in
the
Scriptures. In fact, it is a direct contradiction to what is taught
in the Scriptures by word and example in the life of Jesus. Not
only
did the Son of God eat meat, he commanded others to eat meat during
Passover.

Satan's cunning deception behind the gospel of Health Reform was to
get Mrs. White to mistakenly add false doctrine to the wonderful
truth
of the Sabbath and obedience to God taught by the pioneer Adventists.
If the elders of the SDA church had demanded that the gospel of
Health
Reform be tested against the warning of the apostles it would have
been rejected.

Paul warned specifically that there would never be another gospel:
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL unto
you than that which WE have preached unto you, let him be
accursed." Galatians 1:8

Could it be any clearer? Mrs. White was taught the gospel of health
reform by an angel from heaven - and that gospel was not taught by
Jesus or the apostles!

This new gospel was one of Satan's great victories. The gospel of
Health Reform has caused irreconcilable division among the
commandment
keeping people of God for over a hundred years. The sad truth is
that many have rejected the Sabbath truth taught by Adventists
because
they also see the heresy of teaching another gospel.

Not only is the gospel of Health Reform another gospel, it is a
resurrection of the "Colossian Heresy" which taught that Jesus alone
was not sufficient for salvation. Paul was fighting against the
heresy that we could not have the power for victory over sin unless
we
subjected the body to severe discipline according to the doctrines of
men.

Paul said:

COL 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain
deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world,
and not after Christ.

COL 2:23 These [traditions of men] have indeed an appearance of
wisdom in promoting rigor of devotion and self-abasement and severity
to the body, but they are of no value in checking the indulgence of
the flesh.

Did Mrs. White teach the Colossian Heresy in that one could not have
victory over sin if you ate meat? Here is what she said - you
decide....

"The controlling power of appetite will prove the ruin of thousands,
when, if they had conquered on this point, then they would have had
the moral power to gain the victory over every other temptation of
Satan. But those who are slaves to appetite will fail in perfecting
Christian character." T., V. III, p. 485. {HL 74.4}

"...one of the highest attainments in the Christian life is to
control
appetite, and that, without this victory, all hope of heaven is
vain." James White* Christian Temperance 206

If any doubt remains, compare the specific warning of Paul about
"taste not, touch not" with the specific teaching of the gospel of
Health reform.

Paul: Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the
rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye
subject to ordinances, TOUCH NOT; TASTE NOT; handle not;

Mrs. White:

The Lord would bring his people into a position where they WILL NOT
TOUCH OR TASTE the flesh of dead animals" {PUR, November 7, 1901
par.
1}

If we will simply listen to these forewarnings of Paul and trust them
without compromise - the gospel of Health Reform is exposed as a
counterfeit.

1. Paul warned against a "doctrines of demons" that forbid eating
(clean) meat.

2. Paul warned against an angel from heaven teaching "any other"
gospel.

3. Paul warned against the teaching that Jesus alone is not
sufficient to overcome sin.

Many of my brothers and sisters here on this earth are Adventists
and
the gospel of Health Reform creates a constant and insurmountable
wall
of deception between us. I can only hope there are some who have the
courage to look at these facts with an open mind. The honest heart
that studies the Scriptures will admit that to stop eating clean meat
as a requirement for heaven was not taught by Jesus or the apostles.
It is a tradition of man.

It is another gospel...

Harold Kupp

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter
times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing
spirits, and doctrines of devils.... and commanding to abstain from
meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of
them
which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good,
and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

* 1890 Christian Temperance by Mrs. Ellen G. White (pp. 7-162) and
Bible Hygiene by Elder James White, 268 pp. overall. Good Health Pub.
Co., Battle Creek, Mich.

The preface declares: "This book is not a new presentation . . but is
simply a compilation, and in some sense an abstract, of the various
writings of Mrs. White upon this subject (health), to which have been
added several articles by Elder James White elucidating the same
principles . . The work of compilation has been done under the
supervision of Mrs. White, by a committee appointed by her for the
purpose; and the manuscript has been carefully examined by her.

"The purpose in the preparation of this volume has been to gather
together, in a condensed form, writings which were scattered through
various volumes, and some that have never before appeared in print."

The E. G. W. section comprises eighteen chapters and a group of
"fragments." She later amplified the principal chapters and made them
the body of The Ministry of Healing (1905). Nine chapters, in whole
or
in part, were incorporated into Counsels on Health (1923) or
Fundamentals of Christian Education (1923).
**************************************************
The comment was in CTBH but actually written by JW -> BUT adventists
are still
not off the hook - EGW did not write it - but she approved it.

Note: "The work of compilation has been done under the supervision of
Mrs. White, by a committee appointed by her for the purpose; and the
manuscript has been carefully examined by her."

Surely, they cannot suggest that she approved it but did not believe
it? EGW endorsed it and published it with her approval.

HK

The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.freetruth.info
Health is everyones business ,contamination is/will be the most
dangerous
thing people have to face in the end times and most of the problems are
with flesh and the truth is we need very little of it. things will get
worse so why not avoid the largest problem with sanitation and drugged
animals the more it is processed the better chance for hazards to
health.
It is wise to stop taking chances , not gospel, but health. Most all the
huge powerful animals do not drink milk or eat flesh but are vegitarians
and drink nothing but water, get smart or get sick. Jack- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Donna writes:

The gospel of Health Reform is "another gospel" from the gospel that
Jesus and the apostles lived and preached. Jesus ate flesh-meat!
Jesus was without sin --or we wouldn't have a saviour. The apostles
ate flesh-meat. So, for people to preach that vegetarianism is a
requirement for salvation is to preach "another gospel" from the
gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached.

Christians have the freedom to eat flesh-meat, or not eat flesh-meat,
according to their faith. The apostle Paul wrote:

"For the kingdom of God is NOT MEAT AND DRINK; but righteousness, and
peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost." Romans 14:17

Donna Kupp

The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.freetruth.info

Well Donna what can I say more ? Your alowed to eat meat but if you drug
it through garbage for two weeks injected it with growth hormones, it will
make young people more sexually active , anti-biotics and steroids to
bring a peep to market in 3 weeks instead of 7 have at it you are right
Jesus did it but remember he ate the fish fresh cought not refrigerated
and if he was to get sick he had the worlds best clinic avalible (His
Father) watching over him but tell you what, Meat eaters will see God
sooner probebly one way or another and you do get enough calcium from
green vegies but not enough B vitamins , eat a little Salmon (wild) if you
can , that's enough.....my last word