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19 Nov 2003 06:06:09 PM |
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Heard this chant today outside Buckingham Palace.. |
Who let the dogs out?
Bush,
Bush
Sharon!
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19 Nov 2003 06:11:57 PM |
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"Yas" <spam@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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Who let the dogs out?
Bush,
Bush
Sharon!
The Talmud says that, the generation right before Moshiach comes will have
the "face of a dog" (Sanhedrin 97a). A dog can have a positive connotation
in Judaism, but, in most cases, and certainly within the context of this
Talmudic discussion, it is a negative one.
At the end of Parashas Beshallach, Rashi indicates that the dog even
symbolizes Amalek. If so, then maybe the Talmud means:
Before Moshiach, the generation will have the face of Amalek!
http://www.torah.org/learning/perceptions/5759/haazinu.html
YS
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19 Nov 2003 08:33:33 PM |
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Israelis leave their land, forced out by a battered economy and years of
violence
By Justin Huggler in Jerusalem
20 November 2003
Jean Max emigrated from Britain to Israel in 1970 as a committed Zionist.
Her three children were born and grew up in Israel. But since they reached
adulthood, all three have left for new lives in the United States.
And Ms Max, now divorced, is planning to follow them. Her American visa has
arrived, she is going to Boston, where her daughter lives, to look for work.
If she finds it, she is leaving Israel after 33 years.
Ms Max and her family are part of a growing phenomenon that has the Israeli
political establishment worried. New figures from the Immigration and
Absorption Ministry stunned the establishment. Those figures show 760,000
Israeli citizens now live abroad. The ministry says its figures are an
informal estimate, based on research by Israeli embassies around the world.
Even so, for a country of just 6,600,000, it is a large number. But the big
surprise was the growth in the number of Israelis living abroad: in 2000, it
was 550,000. That increase has undoubtedly been fuelled by the suicide
bombings and other attacks by Palestinian militants over the past three
years, and by the severe recession into which the Israeli economy has been
plunged.
But in few countries in the world are immigration and emigration so
politically charged as in Israel. At a recent conference of American-Jewish
supporters of Israel in Jerusalem, Ariel Sharon made a speech that has
become familiar during his three years as Prime Minister. "We need you," he
told the American delegates, urging them to emigrate to Israel. He made the
same appeal to visitors from the British-Jewish community last year, and he
has made it repeatedly.
Israel is now said to be as crowded as India: those 6,600,000 people live in
a small country. But the Israeli government continues to encourage Jewish
immigration, offering generous financial incentives to new arrivals. The
reason is that Israelis fear they are sitting on a demographic time bomb.
The results of a recent study by Israeli academics unnerved even the
right-wing supporters of Mr Sharon. The study found that by the year 2020,
in just 17 years, Palestinians will be the majority in the whole area of
Israel and the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip. That raises the
possibility of the Israeli right's worst nightmare: that Palestinians might
stop demanding a state of their own and start asking for the vote. That
could spell the end of Israel's identity as a Jewish state, something most
Israelis want to keep.
Israelis leave the country for many reasons. Ms Max says she and her family
did not decide to go because of the violence. "I'm leaving because I've
always wanted to," she says. "I came here as a Zionist but found Israeli
culture was very different from what I was used to." She stayed, she says,
first because she met her husband, then for her children.
But now her children have left, she wants to follow them. Her children went
for their own reasons. Only her eldest son, Adam, might return if the
suicide bombings stopped and the economic situation improved, she thinks.
But Ms Max's neighbours in Jerusalem did leave because of the suicide
bombings. "They said they were too frightened for their children to stay
here," Ms Max says. "They went back to Australia, where they had come from.
But they said it was very difficult to start a new life."
Because Ms Max's former husband is American, her children have US
citizenship. In Israel's immigrant society, many Israelis have second
passports, and can leave the country easily. In the past year, embassies in
Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary have had long queues of
second-generation Israelis claiming their right to their parents' old
citizenship.
In the Nineties, a million immigrants arrived in Israel from the former
Soviet Union, swelling the population and slowing the rate at which the
Palestinian population was overtaking it. But today, more Jewish people from
the former Soviet Union are emigrating to Germany than Israel, and some who
arrived in the Nineties have left, frustrated by not getting jobs to match
their qualifications. In a country full of doctors, a medically qualified
migrant from the former Soviet Union can end up a cleaner.
A new situation is beginning to emerge in which some Palestinians are
suggesting demographics is their greatest weapon, and that they should use
it against Israel. "Sharon is building the wall because he wants to squeeze
Palestinians into cantons on half of the West Bank," Professor Ali Jirbawi,
of the West Bank's Bir Zeit University, says. "They want to call half of the
West Bank 'Palestine' so they can squeeze the Palestinians into as small a
space as possible and allay their own fears of the demographic effect in the
future."
Professor Jirbawi is advocating that the Palestinians should set a six-month
time limit on negotiations for a two-state solution. "We should say we
accept a two-state solution, but that it means going back to the 1967
borders, and a fully independent and sovereign Palestinian state. We should
give them six months. If there is no decision, we should say Israel, by its
own choice, doesn't want a two-state solution. If Israel wants a one-state
solution we accept; but 20 years from now, we're going to ask for one
person, one vote."
That is a nightmare scenario for many Israelis. Professor David Newman, of
Ben Gurion University, says: "If you look at the drive for a two-state
solution in the past, it was always to prevent conflict. What is becoming
more prevalent is that people are saying we have to do it because if we
don't we're going to end up with a bi-national state.
"If you look at all the surveys of public opinion, the one issue that unites
the Jewish population of Israel is that more than 90 per cent say they want
to retain a Jewish majority. The problem of the right wing is that they want
a Greater Israel including the occupied territories, without any withdrawal.
The irony is by doing that they invite a bi-national state."
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| User: "Passerby" |
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19 Nov 2003 06:24:40 PM |
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Nah, it was Bush Sr and Rabin who let the dogs out of their tunisian
hellhole.
"Yas" <spam@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:3fbc0576$0$110$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net...
Who let the dogs out?
Bush,
Bush
Sharon!
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| User: "Conquistador" |
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19 Nov 2003 08:34:25 PM |
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"Passerby" <p_a_s_s_e_r_b_y@skynet.net> wrote in message
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Nah, it was Bush Sr and Rabin who let the dogs out of their tunisian
hellhole.
THESE DOGS WANT OUT OF KIKELAND:
Israelis leave their land, forced out by a battered economy and years of
violence
By Justin Huggler in Jerusalem
20 November 2003
Jean Max emigrated from Britain to Israel in 1970 as a committed Zionist.
Her three children were born and grew up in Israel. But since they reached
adulthood, all three have left for new lives in the United States.
And Ms Max, now divorced, is planning to follow them. Her American visa has
arrived, she is going to Boston, where her daughter lives, to look for work.
If she finds it, she is leaving Israel after 33 years.
Ms Max and her family are part of a growing phenomenon that has the Israeli
political establishment worried. New figures from the Immigration and
Absorption Ministry stunned the establishment. Those figures show 760,000
Israeli citizens now live abroad. The ministry says its figures are an
informal estimate, based on research by Israeli embassies around the world.
Even so, for a country of just 6,600,000, it is a large number. But the big
surprise was the growth in the number of Israelis living abroad: in 2000, it
was 550,000. That increase has undoubtedly been fuelled by the suicide
bombings and other attacks by Palestinian militants over the past three
years, and by the severe recession into which the Israeli economy has been
plunged.
But in few countries in the world are immigration and emigration so
politically charged as in Israel. At a recent conference of American-Jewish
supporters of Israel in Jerusalem, Ariel Sharon made a speech that has
become familiar during his three years as Prime Minister. "We need you," he
told the American delegates, urging them to emigrate to Israel. He made the
same appeal to visitors from the British-Jewish community last year, and he
has made it repeatedly.
Israel is now said to be as crowded as India: those 6,600,000 people live in
a small country. But the Israeli government continues to encourage Jewish
immigration, offering generous financial incentives to new arrivals. The
reason is that Israelis fear they are sitting on a demographic time bomb.
The results of a recent study by Israeli academics unnerved even the
right-wing supporters of Mr Sharon. The study found that by the year 2020,
in just 17 years, Palestinians will be the majority in the whole area of
Israel and the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip. That raises the
possibility of the Israeli right's worst nightmare: that Palestinians might
stop demanding a state of their own and start asking for the vote. That
could spell the end of Israel's identity as a Jewish state, something most
Israelis want to keep.
Israelis leave the country for many reasons. Ms Max says she and her family
did not decide to go because of the violence. "I'm leaving because I've
always wanted to," she says. "I came here as a Zionist but found Israeli
culture was very different from what I was used to." She stayed, she says,
first because she met her husband, then for her children.
But now her children have left, she wants to follow them. Her children went
for their own reasons. Only her eldest son, Adam, might return if the
suicide bombings stopped and the economic situation improved, she thinks.
But Ms Max's neighbours in Jerusalem did leave because of the suicide
bombings. "They said they were too frightened for their children to stay
here," Ms Max says. "They went back to Australia, where they had come from.
But they said it was very difficult to start a new life."
Because Ms Max's former husband is American, her children have US
citizenship. In Israel's immigrant society, many Israelis have second
passports, and can leave the country easily. In the past year, embassies in
Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary have had long queues of
second-generation Israelis claiming their right to their parents' old
citizenship.
In the Nineties, a million immigrants arrived in Israel from the former
Soviet Union, swelling the population and slowing the rate at which the
Palestinian population was overtaking it. But today, more Jewish people from
the former Soviet Union are emigrating to Germany than Israel, and some who
arrived in the Nineties have left, frustrated by not getting jobs to match
their qualifications. In a country full of doctors, a medically qualified
migrant from the former Soviet Union can end up a cleaner.
A new situation is beginning to emerge in which some Palestinians are
suggesting demographics is their greatest weapon, and that they should use
it against Israel. "Sharon is building the wall because he wants to squeeze
Palestinians into cantons on half of the West Bank," Professor Ali Jirbawi,
of the West Bank's Bir Zeit University, says. "They want to call half of the
West Bank 'Palestine' so they can squeeze the Palestinians into as small a
space as possible and allay their own fears of the demographic effect in the
future."
Professor Jirbawi is advocating that the Palestinians should set a six-month
time limit on negotiations for a two-state solution. "We should say we
accept a two-state solution, but that it means going back to the 1967
borders, and a fully independent and sovereign Palestinian state. We should
give them six months. If there is no decision, we should say Israel, by its
own choice, doesn't want a two-state solution. If Israel wants a one-state
solution we accept; but 20 years from now, we're going to ask for one
person, one vote."
That is a nightmare scenario for many Israelis. Professor David Newman, of
Ben Gurion University, says: "If you look at the drive for a two-state
solution in the past, it was always to prevent conflict. What is becoming
more prevalent is that people are saying we have to do it because if we
don't we're going to end up with a bi-national state.
"If you look at all the surveys of public opinion, the one issue that unites
the Jewish population of Israel is that more than 90 per cent say they want
to retain a Jewish majority. The problem of the right wing is that they want
a Greater Israel including the occupied territories, without any withdrawal.
The irony is by doing that they invite a bi-national state."
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