Religions > Bible > Hello V: What do you mean when you write: "I am truth based"?
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08 Jul 2007 08:00:21 AM |
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Hello V: What do you mean when you write: "I am truth based"? |
Provoker writes:
Hello V:
What do you mean when you write: "I am truth based"?
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Hi Provoker
Truth based?
Good question.
I'm sorry don't have time to write a post detailing all my thoughts on
this subject right now, but will take some time to offer what I can.
The contemplative life finds it's joy in discovering truth.
Now all we have to do is find out 'what truth is' to experience such
joy?
Where does truth reside so I can pay it a visit?
Truth resides within us and is available; to us all if we just back
down on the ego.
Certain Buddhists and Taoists I run into, especially the debaters,
great philosophers and sensationalists, like to promote the idea of
there is 'no true or false'. or 'no right and wrong' to judge in life.
Taoist's believe that if we do not favor right or wrong, good or bad,
beauty or ugliness we will not become attached to such outcomes. They
also believe that the cosmic forces do not favor any of these things
but treat all with equanimity, so they wish to mimic the cosmos to be
in unity with it.
While this extreme view of "no right or wrong" holds some truth, it
also needs to be balanced with the idea of the conventual view of
right and wrong to find a balanced "middle path" view of right and
wrong if we wish to live within society.
So that is how I will approach your question by answering as
imperfectly and perfectly as I can.
Sometime the truth is relative, sometimes it is a best fit scenario.
But generally we can say the truth is that which does not change.
Huxley may have said it best:
"The highest object that human beings can set before themselves is not
the pursuit of any such chimera as the annihilation of the unknown: it
is simply the unwearied endeavor to remove its boundaries a little
further from our little sphere of action."
I argue with no one. If I have the truth, I keep it and use it and
share it. If you do not want it that is OK, I make no demands you
adopt it.
If I am wrong and you have the truth I adopt it readily and now I have
the truth as well. Wherever the truth is - that is where I go.
This is not so just because people have the cleverest argument to
prove such things. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
If it was otherwise, the spin doctors would be the kings and queen of
inner peace.
What is rhetoric based on?
Truth?
The truth comes from testing.
The truth can only be found from a choice divorced from need...we
divorce the need to massage our ego and are honest with ourselves and
others
As atheists and theists, we test practical application of a life that
yields us and others inner peace.
Contrast this to faith based...hate based...instinct based...
Again all these apply to us.
Yes, even the atheist 'have faith' that their hatred wilt provide them
peace.
But before one can test, one must be open to finding the truth.
Something the mind manacled, dogmatic atheist cannot do as their 'ego
based instincts' block them from ever finding a new way to live.
Neither can the delusional faith based theist for that matter. But at
least the theist pays attention to their religions prepackaged morals.
As a first step for seeking truth, we look honesty at what is said and
not at who says what.
See:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/327805fdd9caec99/c99a0e01b4947eca?hl=en#c99a0e01b4947eca
If one sticks to: true, false or don't know in one's replies they can
avoid this trap by arguing facts and not personalities.
There is no such thing as 'opinionated' - 'provocative'
'controversial' subjects.
These are only subjective and prejudicial states of mind.
How do we know e are truth based Provoker.
When we have someone tells us the truth what do we do?
Do we thank them for the truth or do we hate them for the truth?
This is the acid test for determining truth based wisdom Provoker.
When we invest excessive time and energies in acquiring or building
attachments these attachments become veritable extensions of our being
and come to define us for ourselves as well as define who we are for
others.
When these attachments take on this role we become susceptible to pain
via these extensions. If the person, place or thing we are attached to
gets rebuked it is a personal rebuke on us, if they get damaged or
defaced so goes the defacement and damage to our very being.
It is hard to become full detached to ideas, for if we did we would be
like a feather floating wherever the wind blew us and would pick up
any old idea with no firm grounding of what we perceive as right or
wrong.
But, we can practice being open minded and look at ideas without
prejudice that we immediately hit ideas with. Learn to judge other
less. We especially do this with everyone we meet...they are better or
lesser than me type of thinking.
Fear based reasons for doing something, as theist mostly do, are not
authentic and natural actions.
The persons actions are based on negative consequences otherwise they
would not do them.
My actions are based on inner peace and if I stray - there goes my
peace - it is my choice.
Put your inner peace foremost and you will have your answer Provoker.
When you align real and authentic actions with those that promote
inner peace you are on the road to enlightenment.
Also See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=470.0
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=532.0
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=4.0
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=504.0
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." |
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| Title: Re: Hello V: What do you mean when you write: "I am truth based"? |
08 Jul 2007 10:33:33 AM |
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On Jul 8, 2:00 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
Provo
HO! <whack>
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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| Title: Re: Hello V: What do you mean when you write: "I am truth based"? |
08 Jul 2007 08:21:39 AM |
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On Jul 8, 2:00 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
Provoker writes:
HO! <THWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!>
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Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "Provoker" |
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| Title: Re: Hello V: What do you mean when you write: "I am truth based"? |
08 Jul 2007 06:46:12 PM |
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On Jul 8, 8:34 am, V <v...@aol.com< wrote:
<
< Hi Provoker
<
< Truth based?
<
< Good question.
<
< I'm sorry don't have time to write a post detailing all my thoughts
on
< this subject right now, but will take some time to offer what I can.
<
< Sometime the truth is relative, sometimes it is a best fit scenario.
<
< But generally we can say the truth is that which does not change.
<
< Huxley may have said it best:
<
< "The highest object that human beings can set before themselves is
< not the pursuit of any such chimera as the annihilation of the
< unknown: it is simply the unwearied endeavor to remove its
boundaries
< a little further from our little sphere of action." ~
<
< The truth comes from testing.
<
< The truth can only be found from a choice divorced from need...we
< divorce the need to massage our ego and are honest with ourselves
and
< others
<
< As atheists and theists, we test practical application of a life
that
< yields us and others inner peace.
<
< Contrast this to faith based...hate based...instinct based...
<
< Again all these apply to us.
<
< Yes, even the atheist 'have faith' that their hatred wilt provide
them
< peace.
<
< But before one can test, one must be open to finding the truth.
<
< Something the mind manacled, dogmatic atheist cannot do as their
'ego
< based instincts' block them from ever finding a new way to live.
<
< Neither can the delusional faith based theist for that matter. But
at
< least the theist pays attention to their religions prepackaged
morals.
<
< As a first step for seeking truth, we look honesty at what is said
and
< not at who says what.
<
< See:
<
< http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/327805fd...
<
< If one sticks to: true, false or don't know in one's replies they
can
< avoid this trap by arguing facts and not personalities.
<
< There is no such thing as 'opinionated' - 'provocative'
< 'controversial' subjects.
<
< These are only subjective and prejudicial states of mind.
<
< When we invest excessive time and energies in acquiring or building
< attachments these attachments become veritable extensions of our
being
< and come to define us for ourselves as well as define who we are for
< others. When these attachments take on this role we become
susceptible
< to pain via these extensions. If the person, place or thing we are
< attached to gets rebuked it is a personal rebuke on us, if they get
< damaged or defaced so goes the defacement and damage to our very
< being.
<
< It is hard to become full detached to ideas, for if we did we would
be
< like a feather floating wherever the wind blew us and would pick up
< any old idea with no firm grounding of what we perceive as right or
< wrong. But, we can practice being open minded and look at ideas
< without prejudice that we immediately hit ideas with. Learn to judge
< other less. We especially do this with everyone we meet...they are
< better or lesser than me type of thinking.
<
< Fear based reasons for doing something, as theist mostly do, are not
< authentic and natural actions. The persons actions are based on
< negative consequences otherwise they would not do them. My actions
are
< based on inner peace and if I stray - there goes my peace - it is my
< choice. Put your inner peace foremost and you will have your answer.
< When you align real and authentic actions with those that promote
< inner peace you have found enlightenment.
<
< Also See:
<
< http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=470.0
<
< http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=532.0
<
< http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=4.0
<
< Take care,
<
< V (Male)
<
< Agnostic Freethinker
< Practical Philosopher
< AA#2
Hello V:
I have a hard time trusting someone who claims to be truth based.
Don't you think that "evidence" based would be more accurate?
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| User: "Syd M." |
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| Title: Re: Hello V: What do you mean when you write: "I am truth based"? |
08 Jul 2007 11:04:28 AM |
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On Jul 8, 9:00 am, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
Provoker writes:
Hello V:
What do you mean when you write: "I am truth based"?
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Hi Provoker
Truth based?
Good question.
HO! <Whack>
PDW
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Hello V: What do you mean when you write: "I am truth based"? |
08 Jul 2007 11:12:33 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 06:00:21 -0700, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
Hi Provo
HO! <whack!>
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "V" |
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| Title: Re: Hello V: What do you mean when you write: "I am truth based"? |
08 Jul 2007 11:21:54 AM |
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Post has been updated Provoker at:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible/browse_frm/thread/74602259af058704/6f74eff0417aab08?hl=en#6f74eff0417aab08
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| User: "Syd M." |
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| Title: Re: Hello V: What do you mean when you write: "I am truth based"? |
09 Jul 2007 02:19:35 PM |
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On Jul 8, 12:21 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
Post has
HO! <Whack>
PDW
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| User: "V" |
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08 Jul 2007 11:23:54 AM |
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On Jul 8, 12:21?pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
Post has been updated Provoker at:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible/browse_frm/thread/74602259af...
Sorry,wrong link, try this one Provoker...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.philosophy/browse_frm/thread/48fe2b4513ff36ff/8182638f5b51219f?hl=en#8182638f5b51219f
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| Title: Re: Hello V: What do you mean when you write: "I am truth based"? |
08 Jul 2007 11:55:43 AM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1183911834.460706.222390@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 8, 12:21?pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
Post has been updated Provoker at:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible/browse_frm/thread/74602259af...
Sorry,
HO! <Whack!>
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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08 Jul 2007 12:00:45 PM |
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On Jul 8, 11:23 am, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
HO! <whack!>
Medusa
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| User: "Syd M." |
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09 Jul 2007 02:20:12 PM |
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On Jul 8, 12:23 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 8, 12:21?pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
Post has...
HO! <Whack>
PDW
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08 Jul 2007 11:42:53 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 09:23:54 -0700, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
Sorry,wrong
HO! <whack!>
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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08 Jul 2007 04:55:01 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 09:23:54 -0700, V wrote:
Sorry
HO! <SCHWHACK>
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
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| User: "raven1" |
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08 Jul 2007 11:42:34 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 09:21:54 -0700, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
Post has been up
HO! <whack!>
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Jul 2007 04:54:44 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 09:21:54 -0700, V wrote:
Post
HO! <THWHOCK>
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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08 Jul 2007 12:34:32 PM |
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V <vfr44@aol.com> writes:
Post has been
HO! <*splut!*> (the sound made by an overripe tomato hitting the target at
high speed)
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA
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08 Jul 2007 11:02:35 AM |
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 06:00:21 -0700, V wrote:
Hi
HO! <WHACKJOB>
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You know, I'd get it if people were just looking for a
way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna
live in the holes. And they go nuts when someone else
pours dirt in their holes.
"Climb out of your holes people!"
- Dr. House, on faith
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08 Jul 2007 08:16:00 AM |
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Recently, V let the following escape from the keyboard:
I'm sorry
HO <WHACK-a-Doo>
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Tom 0
aa #2134 a-vet #20
Mercenary Chef
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