"oldwetdog" <g.aedhealic@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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: Diana BB wrote:
: > "Azaliah" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: > news:co97k2h8jc0v3h6efuf4u04tog0d8k14cl@4ax.com...
: > : On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:27:10 -0700, while bungee jumping,
: > : oldwetdog <g.aedhealic@yahoo.com> shouted thusly:
: > :
: > :
: > : >Azaliah wrote:
: > : >
: > : >>On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:32:46 -0700, while bungee jumping,
: > : >>oldwetdog <g.aedhealic@yahoo.com> shouted thusly:
: > : >>
: > : >>
: > : >>Glenn, you argued as follow:
: > : >>
: > : >>>>> So you are claiming that "You shall not surely die"
: > : >>>>> (as spoken by Satan, Gen 3:4) was God Breathed?
: > : >>>>>
: > : >>>>> So you are saying that the words "Curse God and Die"
: > : >>>>> (as spoken by Satan out of the mouth of Job's wife,
: > : >>>>> Job 2:9) are "God Breathed"?
: > : >>>>>
: > : >>>>> SO YOU ARE CLAIMING that when Satan tempted Jesus,
: > : >>>>> and said, "All this power will I give thee, and the glory of
: > : >>>>> them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever
: > : >>>>> I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all
: > : >>>>> shall be thine." Satan's WORDS WERE GOD-BREATHED?
: > : >>>>> (Luke 4:6)
: > : >>>>
: > : >>>>
: > : >>>> God breathing an accurate and truthful account of what
: > : >>>> happened when Satan spoke lies, does not make God
: > : >>>> the author of his lies. You are an heretical idiot for
: > : >>>> claiming any part of Scripture is not God breathed.
: > : >>>> "All" Scripture is God breathed (2 Timothy 3:16).
: > : >>
: > : >>
: > : >>You then quoted Randy as saying:
: > : >>
: > : >>>Randy said:
: > : >>>Quote (Randy's own words)
: > : >>>"God breathing an accurate and truthful account of what
: > : >>>happened when Satan spoke lies, does not make God
: > : >>>the author of his lies."
: > : >>>end quote.
: > : >>
: > : >>
: > : >>You then went on to argue:
: > : >>
: > : >>>Randy, I want to thank you for this bit of sophistry,
: > : >>>even though I know you did NOT intend to tell the
: > : >>>Truth with it.
: > : >>>
: > : >>>HOWEVER, Let's use your bit of sophistry, AND seek
: > : >>>a logical conclusion based on it.
: > : >>>
: > : >>>(Your Logic, Randy, goes like this)
: > : >>>God breathing an accurate and truthful account of what
: > : >>>happened when Paul wrote to the Corinthians DOES NOT
: > : >>>MAKE GOD THE AUTHOR OF PAUL'S WORDS!
: > : >>
: > : >>My reply is:
: > : >>
: > : >>Actually, yes, it does. That's what "God breathed" means.
: > : >>
: > : >>Paul was an Apostle, commissioned by God to write Scripture.
: > : >>
: > : >>2 Peter 3:14-16
: > : >>
: > : >>14) Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things,
: > : >>be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without
: > : >>spot, and blameless.
: > : >>15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is
: > : >>salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according
: > : >>to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
: > : >>16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these
: > : >>things; in which are some things hard to be understood,
: > : >>which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they
: > : >>do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.
: > : >>
: > : >>Note that Peter didn't say, "as they do also the Scriptures",
: > : >>but rather, "as they do also the OTHER Scriptures", thus
: > : >>qualifying Paul's writings as Scripture.
: > : >>
: > : >>What you are doing, is trying to claim that because Satan
: > : >>told a lie and the Bible accurately records it, that means
: > : >>that Paul's words aren't God's word. This means that you
: > : >>are equating Paul's writings with Satan's lies. You are
: > : >>trying to equate Satan lying to Eve, with Paul's instructions
: > : >>to churches on how to live righteously. There's no way
: > : >>around that. And all of this you do, because you do not
: > : >>wish to acknowledge that what Paul wrote in nine verses
: > : >>(1 Cor 7:1-9) is the word of God. (:
: > : >>
: > : >>But let's see what else Paul told the Corinthians in that
: > : >>same letter, to see if your claim makes sense:
: > : >>
: > : >>1 Corinthians 14:37-38
: > : >>
: > : >>37) If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual,
: > : >>let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you
: > : >>are the commandments of the Lord.
: > : >>38) But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
: > : >>
: > : >>You are seeking to place yourself above an Apostle of God,
: > : >>who personally met the risen Christ and was commissioned
: > : >>by God, to write Scripture, as was testified to by Peter and
: > : >>that is just a sad shame. (:
: > : >>
: > : >>The truth is, you know better than this, or you wouldn't
: > : >>have spent so much time trying to argue previously that
: > : >>those verses meant something other than what Randy
: > : >>and I had said. Rather, you would have started out with
: > : >>the argument you're now trying to make and would have
: > : >>just said from the beginning, "That's not God's word anyway".
: > : >>
: > : >>Those many attempts on your part to argue the meaning
: > : >>of those verses, prove that you know better than to think
: > : >>that this argument will fly. (:
: > : >>
: > : >>The truth is, you are like a fish out of water, trying to gasp
: > : >>for its last breaths of air, knowing that it's about to die,
: > : >>seeking to find any way to breathe, but there's no water
: > : >>when you're stranded on shore, my friend. So suck it up,
: > : >>because those last gasps is all you have left. :)
: > : >>
: > : >>Unless of course, you can tell us what qualifies YOU, that
: > : >>we should believe you over Paul. We'll be waiting for that.
: > : >
: > : >
: > : >Here, Dave, try and add something useful...
: > : >
: > : >Please explain how raping your wife does NOT contradict
: > : >God's Word.
: > : >
: > : >Please show how and where the Law of the Land contradicts
: > : >God's Word by making Spousal Rape a Crime.
: > : >
: > : >Please show how a man refusing to rape his wife has failed
: > : >to follow God's Word?
: > : >
: > : >thanks.
: > :
: > : Can you please explain to me how this deals with the issue
: > : that YOU YOURSELF raised and is addressed above? Have
: > : you not within yourself the ability to deal with YOUR OWN
: > : statements? Or must every response by you be another of
: > : your attempts to libel me when beaten and turn it into a
: > : personal attack on me, thinking that you have distracted
: > : everyone from the fact that your argument did not hold
: > : water?
: > :
: > : And btw, I have repeatedly tried to educate you on the fact
: > : that it is impossible to "slander" in a message, or letter.
: > : Slander is spoken. Libel is written.
: > :
: > : You argued that since Satan lied and it is recorded in the
: > : Bible, that this means that Paul's writings are not God's word
: > : and are just his opinion. Thus, you have equated Paul's
: > : words with Satan's lies and have therefore implied that Paul
: > : was really working for Satan.
: >
: > But Paul said himself that some of what he said was his own opinion.
: >
: > :
: > : But what did Paul say about it?...
: > :
: > : 1 Corinthians 14:37-38
: > :
: > : 37) If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual,
: > : let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you
: > : are the commandments of the Lord.
: > : 38) But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
: > :
: > : And what did Peter say about Paul's writings?
: > :
: > : 2 Peter 3:14-16
: > :
: > : 14) Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things,
: > : be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without
: > : spot, and blameless.
: > : 15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is
: > : salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according
: > : to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
: > : 16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these
: > : things; in which are some things hard to be understood,
: > : which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they
: > : do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.
: > :
: > : Note that Peter didn't say, "as they do also the Scriptures",
: > : but rather, "as they do also the OTHER Scriptures", thus
: > : qualifying Paul's writings as Scripture.
: > :
: > : So should we throw out Peter's writings too? Or will you
: > : confess that you are in error.
: >
: > But I think we can safely assume that Peter wrote this when they were
trying
: > to accept Paul as one of their own.
:
: Dave's question about Peter is just an act of sophistry, a red herring
: to avoid the issue of Paul's saying that he was speaking on his own.

I find it hard believe that so many can have been so fooled by one man.
The amount of clues in Rev (letters to the seven churches)that point Paul
and his followers out as the false apostles and still they preach Paul over
and above Jesus.