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12 Dec 2004 11:01:19 PM |
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How Christ did not found a religion |
Devotional Guide
For the week of December 12, 2004
JESUS CAME EXACTLY ON TIME
How Christ did not found a religion
To Read: Ezekiel 7-9
To Know:
"But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman,
born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law." (Gal. 4:4,5)
"Oops" is not in the vocabulary of heaven. This is a word that follows a
slip of the tongue or when things go unexpectedly wrong. There are no
slipups with God.
Jesus was born when the time was precisely right. Rome was an organized
empire. Rome, unknowingly, organized the world for the coming of Christ. The
Caesars connected their territories with roads. The saying was true that all
roads lead to Rome. The network of highways constructed to speed the legions
to trouble spots anywhere were the same roads the apostles of Christ walked
with the announcement that God had sent his Son to save the world. The Pax
Romana (Roman peace) eliminated all border crossings and the need for
passports. Also, Rome inherited the Greek language imposed on the realm
centuries before when these same lands were overrun by Alexander the Great.
The news (gospel or good news) could now be understood everywhere in the
domain. Spiritually, it was fully time for Christ to enter the world. False
religion was hopeless. Graveyard inscriptions in the Roman empire were
despairing. Religion abounded, yet not a soul was saved. It was the exact
right time for Christ to come.
To Do:
Why is now not precisely the right time for the gospel message to be
republished? Pagan religion is reemerging. Halloween is overtaking
Christmas. Tolerance aims to banish truth. Christ is dishonored as merely
the founder of a great world religion. If ever the time was right to recover
biblical Christianity, it is now.
To Ask:
Father, open the hearts of this generation to see who it is that was on the
cross and why he permitted himself to be crucified.
12134$-12134
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| User: "John Ings" |
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| Title: Re: How Christ did not found a religion |
13 Dec 2004 08:16:12 AM |
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:01:19 GMT, "rhuff163" <rhuff163@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:
"Oops" is not in the vocabulary of heaven. This is a word that follows a
slip of the tongue or when things go unexpectedly wrong. There are no
slipups with God.
Genesis 6:5 The LORD saw that the wickedness of humankind was great in
the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of their hearts
was only evil continually. 6 And the LORD was sorry that he had made
humankind on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. 7 So the LORD
said, “I will blot out from the earth the human beings I have
created-people together with animals and creeping things and birds of
the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”
Sure sounds like somebody who made a slipup and was regretting it!
## He charged nothing for his preaching, and it was worth it too!
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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13 Dec 2004 05:23:46 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 06:16:12 -0800, John Ings <nodamned@spam.org> wrote:
Genesis 6:5 The LORD saw that the wickedness of humankind was great in
the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of their hearts
was only evil continually. 6 And the LORD was sorry that he had made
humankind on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. 7 So the LORD
said, “I will blot out from the earth the human beings I have
created-people together with animals and creeping things and birds of
the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”
Sure sounds like somebody who made a slipup and was regretting it!
Yeah, it does, but this is anthropomorphism. God is no more capable of
regret than he's capable of sin. He also says he bore the Israelites on
eagles wings. That didn't happen, either. Figure of speech.
You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on
eagles’ wings, and brought you to Myself.
The New American Standard Bible, (La Habra, California: The Lockman
Foundation) 1977.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: How Christ did not found a religion |
13 Dec 2004 07:10:15 PM |
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George Peatty wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 06:16:12 -0800, John Ings <nodamned@spam.org> wrote:
Genesis 6:5 The LORD saw that the wickedness of humankind was great in
the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of their hearts
was only evil continually. 6 And the LORD was sorry that he had made
humankind on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. 7 So the LORD
said, “I will blot out from the earth the human beings I have
created-people together with animals and creeping things and birds of
the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”
Sure sounds like somebody who made a slipup and was regretting it!
Yeah, it does, but this is anthropomorphism. God is no more capable of
regret than he's capable of sin.
===>That is the "GOD" of YOUR imagination.
Obviously the person writing that story was referring to a different one. -- L.
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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13 Dec 2004 07:35:32 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:10:15 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Obviously the person writing that story was referring to a different one. -- L.
We agree to disagree on what is obvious ..
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| User: "John Ings" |
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13 Dec 2004 07:44:17 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:23:46 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 06:16:12 -0800, John Ings <nodamned@spam.org> wrote:
Genesis 6:5 The LORD saw that the wickedness of humankind was great in
the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of their hearts
was only evil continually. 6 And the LORD was sorry that he had made
humankind on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. 7 So the LORD
said, “I will blot out from the earth the human beings I have
created-people together with animals and creeping things and birds of
the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”
Sure sounds like somebody who made a slipup and was regretting it!
Yeah, it does, but this is anthropomorphism. God is no more capable of
regret than he's capable of sin.
Lying isn't a sin? Or just not when God does it?
He also says he bore the Israelites on
eagles wings. That didn't happen, either. Figure of speech.
I think the destruction of an entire ecology is rather more than a
figure of speech. Looks rather like a celestial temper tantrum!
## Man imagines god in HIS image!
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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14 Dec 2004 09:35:36 PM |
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"George Peatty" <pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote
Well, in the first place, it is the height of conceit to judge
God, and find his conduct wanting. Secondly, your doing
so here is both arbitrary and argumentative, for how can
a being you do not believe exists tell a lie?
Do you realize that you worship a god who enjoys the smell of burning fat?
Genesis
8:20 Noah built an altar to the LORD. He then took
some of every kind of clean animal and clean bird
and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 8:21 And the
LORD smelled the soothing aroma
Leviticus
1:9 . . . a burnt offering, a gift of a soothing aroma to
the LORD.
3:5 . . . the burnt offering that is on the wood in the fire as
a gift of a soothing aroma to the LORD.
4:31 . . . offer it up in smoke on the altar for a soothing
aroma to the LORD.
8:21 . . . it was a burnt offering for a soothing aroma,
a gift to the LORD, just as the LORD had commanded
Moses.
17:6 . . . and offer the fat up in smoke for a soothing
aroma to the LORD.
18:17 You must sprinkle their blood on the altar
and burn their fat for an offering made by fire for a
pleasing aroma to the LORD.
Numbers
15:13 . . . an offering made by fire as a pleasing
aroma to the LORD.
15:14 . . . an offering made by fire as a pleasing
aroma to the LORD.
15:24 . . . a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to
the LORD,
28:6 . . . a pleasing aroma, an offering made by fire
to the LORD.
28:13 . . . as a burnt offering of a pleasing aroma, an
offering made by fire to the LORD.
Ezekiel
20:28 . . . They offered their soothing aroma there
2 Corinthians
2:15 For we are a sweet aroma of Christ to God
--
Wax
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: How Christ did not found a religion |
28 Dec 2004 05:22:07 PM |
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WOW ! We share something in common :-)
"Weatherwax" <Weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message
news:ciOvd.126162$7i4.39780@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"George Peatty" <pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote
Well, in the first place, it is the height of conceit to judge
God, and find his conduct wanting. Secondly, your doing
so here is both arbitrary and argumentative, for how can
a being you do not believe exists tell a lie?
Do you realize that you worship a god who enjoys the smell of burning fat?
Genesis
8:20 Noah built an altar to the LORD. He then took
some of every kind of clean animal and clean bird
and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 8:21 And the
LORD smelled the soothing aroma
Leviticus
1:9 . . . a burnt offering, a gift of a soothing aroma to
the LORD.
3:5 . . . the burnt offering that is on the wood in the fire as
a gift of a soothing aroma to the LORD.
4:31 . . . offer it up in smoke on the altar for a soothing
aroma to the LORD.
8:21 . . . it was a burnt offering for a soothing aroma,
a gift to the LORD, just as the LORD had commanded
Moses.
17:6 . . . and offer the fat up in smoke for a soothing
aroma to the LORD.
18:17 You must sprinkle their blood on the altar
and burn their fat for an offering made by fire for a
pleasing aroma to the LORD.
Numbers
15:13 . . . an offering made by fire as a pleasing
aroma to the LORD.
15:14 . . . an offering made by fire as a pleasing
aroma to the LORD.
15:24 . . . a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to
the LORD,
28:6 . . . a pleasing aroma, an offering made by fire
to the LORD.
28:13 . . . as a burnt offering of a pleasing aroma, an
offering made by fire to the LORD.
Ezekiel
20:28 . . . They offered their soothing aroma there
2 Corinthians
2:15 For we are a sweet aroma of Christ to God
--
Wax
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| User: "Tom" |
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14 Dec 2004 07:26:56 PM |
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"George Peatty" <pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:05:30 -0800, John Ings <nodamned@spam.org> wrote:
How can I judge a being I don't believe exists?
Answer: I'm not. Again I'm judging the biblical God as he is presented
in your Holy book, and in it he is portrayed as a scheming liar.
Which makes about as much sense as judging Hamlet, and about as
meaningful.
In what way Georgie? Don't keep us in suspense, tell us your reasoning.
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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02 May 2005 10:42:00 AM |
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"John Ings" <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:20:51 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote:
Yeah, it does, but this is anthropomorphism. God is no more capable of
regret than he's capable of sin.
Lying isn't a sin? Or just not when God does it?
Well, in the first place, it is the height of conceit to judge God,
I'm not judging God. I'm judging the biblical concept of God,
As you read it, anyway
and the Christian interpretation of that concept.
One of many *Christian interpretations of that concept* that is.
and find his conduct wanting.
The concept of a lying God should not be found wanting?
Secondly, your doing so here is both arbitrary and
argumentative, for how can a being you do not believe exists tell a lie?
How can I judge a being I don't believe exists?
Tell me, as you are doing so.
Answer: I'm not. Again I'm judging the biblical God as he is presented
in your Holy book, and in it he is portrayed as a scheming liar.
As you understand it.
Thirdly, you have no frame of reference for establishing the truth,
Sure I do. Remember now, God is not in the dock. Your theology is.
and therefore no means of knowing what is and is not a lie.
Non sequitur.
## Amphora coepit institui; currente rota cur urceus exit?
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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14 Dec 2004 07:25:24 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:16:38 -0800, John Ings <nodamned@spam.org> wrote:
But this myth is believed in by millions, and is a signifigant factor
in current events, and therefor a subject needing to be meaningfully
explored.
I think you mean vehemently opposed. You're trying to impose your brand of
secularism on a society that is sadly more and more open to it. But, there
are still faint signs that all is not yet lost. We re-elected a Christian
president, for example.
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| User: "John Ings" |
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15 Dec 2004 05:31:18 AM |
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:25:24 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote:
But this myth is believed in by millions, and is a signifigant factor
in current events, and therefor a subject needing to be meaningfully
explored.
I think you mean vehemently opposed.
From my viewpoint yes, but not from the viewpoint of all parties in
the debates here obviously.
You're trying to impose your brand of
secularism on a society that is sadly more and more open to it.
We're winning? Oh good!
But, there
are still faint signs that all is not yet lost. We re-elected a Christian
president, for example.
Yeah, that's what I meant by 'a signifigant factor in current events'.
The deeply held religious beliefs of Osama bin Laden are a factor too.
## Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum.
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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14 Dec 2004 07:21:40 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:16:38 -0800, John Ings <nodamned@spam.org> wrote:
Which makes about as much sense as judging Hamlet,
Oh I quite agree, since both characters are mythic, and only one based
on a real person.
I'll believe that when I've read some of your literary criticism. I
suspect your approach to both discussions will be quite different, and the
different approach belies your claims about their similarities. I could be
wrong, but I wait to be shown. This isn't just a literary exercise for you;
this is something very much more ..
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| User: "John Ings" |
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15 Dec 2004 05:52:22 AM |
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:21:40 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote:
Which makes about as much sense as judging Hamlet,
Oh I quite agree, since both characters are mythic, and only one based
on a real person.
I'll believe that when I've read some of your literary criticism. I
suspect your approach to both discussions will be quite different, and the
different approach belies your claims about their similarities. I could be
wrong, but I wait to be shown.
Well let's see--- God and Hamlet
Presuming that by Hamlet you mean Shakespeare's Hamlet, the play is a
fiction based on the myth of a Danish hero named Amleth or Amlodhi.
This person is about as real as King Arthur. In other words there may
have been a real person who did some of the things that are in the
tales told about him. Maybe. But the Hamlet of the play bears even
less resemblence to Amleth than Amleth of myth does to whatever man in
the distant past of Danish history is mythologized.
Now with respect to the biblical version of God we have the same
situation. Jesus is analagous to Hamlet, a fiction invented by Paul,
based only very loosely on the activities of a Kingdom of God activist
in Judea named Y'shua ben Yussef. This mythic figure of Jesus in the
2nd and 3rd centuries came to be associated with the YHWH of the
Hebrew Penteuch-- was said in fact to be an aspect of this deity. Thus
was born the illocal concept of the Trinity. But YHWH is but a
revision of a still earlier deity, El.
To summarize, both are a fiction based on a myth about an earlier
myth.
This isn't just a literary exercise for you;
this is something very much more ..
Oh yeah. Since I consider religion in general and the Bible in
particular to be a source of much of the evil that troubles this
world.
## The New Testament is less a Christiad than a Pauliad.
Thomas Hardy
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