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"math boy" |
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05 Dec 2003 02:05:52 PM |
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How come? |
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How come a priest is uncomfortable with someone like me, even not knowing
who I really am?
This acquaintance of mine is a fresh protestant Pastor, He is friendly with
me, even got me a Logos computer bible software for free. The problem is,
when I try to talk about religion he gets embarrassed and tries to change
the conversation or pretend he's got to go. Last time I saw him he was with
another member of his church, they were sitting comfortably in a public
place. I go see him at the table and he present his friend to me whom is a
member of his church. We start to talk and, just to make a test drive, I
jump right away to the religious subject. My friend is clearly embarrassed,
he speaks shortly to his friend and points at me, "this man knows a lot". I
smile and start to tell them two stories, one of two Jehovah witness and one
of two Mormons that just came to my house. I explain them what I usually end
up telling to the door-to-door evangelists, "you don't have the authority to
save anyone. How can you say that you can save me? Only the Lord has
authority to save". This brand new Pastor friend of mine immediately open
his eyes while pointing at me and at his friend several times while saying,
"See? Seee? I told you this man knows a lot!" He is clearly embarrassed and
his friend is too (quite understandable, perhaps I should learn to talk
about something else). They keep on listening for a few more seconds and
they suddenly have this urge to leave. While the pastor's friend is a bit
far from us, this pastor friend come closer to me and offer apologies for
leaving while saying, "No, no my friend...seriously...you know a lot...you
know more than a man should know...I mean, more than a normal person should
know. I don't know how you do that but...believe me, you know a lot". I
reply, "That's the truth my friend...it's only the Truth. Truth is simple,
you can't escape the Truth".
A simple question that you, teachers, can answer over here (no matte if I
don't reply):
How come is this happening?
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| User: "ZeHole E. Gost" |
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| Title: Re: How come? |
05 Dec 2003 08:50:22 PM |
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"math boy" <noAddress@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: How come a priest is uncomfortable with someone like me, even not
knowing
: who I really am?
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I have no idea. Maybe he just gets bored talking bible-talk all the time.
No one can "save" anyone else.
All you can do is hand people a bible and they can "save" themselves if
they so choose.
--
THE LIST OF AMAZING JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES' CLAIMS,
BELIEFS & PREDICTIONS........
Prepared by PB may be found at the following websites:-
http://jwfiles.com
http://uspdr.com/ <--their property!
http://www.freeminds.org/history/part1.htm
http://www1.tip.nl/~t661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm
http://localsonly.wilmington.net/jmalik/TheList.zip
http://www.concordance.com/watchtower.htm
http://www.silentlambs.org/ <--their perverts.
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| User: "math boy" |
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| Title: Re: How come? |
06 Dec 2003 10:12:25 AM |
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"ZeHole E. Gost" <zehole@egost.net> wrote in message
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"math boy" <noAddress@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: *** Cross-posted. Remove whatever group not intended before reply.
:
: How come a priest is uncomfortable with someone like me, even not
knowing
: who I really am?
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I have no idea. Maybe he just gets bored talking bible-talk all the time.
No one can "save" anyone else.
All you can do is hand people a bible and they can "save" themselves if
they so choose.
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This is another problem ZeHole: to hand people a bible or even trying to
explain it not truly knowing where it leads to, not truly having the real
knowledge "the simple knowledge" that is necessary for a child to receive.
Do you agree over this?
In fact, based on my own experience, I have learned that a child can help a
teacher to find the way while the teacher can help the child to lose it. If
now I am a teacher or, better said, a Pastor, I will seek the best interest
of my flock. Now, the flock, as we know it, must stay together otherwise the
wolfs and the wild animals will come and scatter them and perhaps they will
destroy them, spiritually.
Therefore, the same person that said "do not commit idolatry" said also "you
shall not kill" and the same person also said "I am looking for mercy" and
the same said "you should live by my word" and also said "gather not the
things of this world...but gather instead heavenly rewards, for they are not
subject to destruction". Now these things He said, in more perfect words but
with the same meaning. He also said to have your eyes pointed at heavenly
things which requires one to avoid as much as possible to be attracted by
the vices of this world. But since we live in this world we are subject to
it but we have to pay attention not to become slaves of it. If therefore God
is offering me the word of God and I just offer that same word without the
power of It, the meaning or the Its gifts, of Its sacraments or the beauty
of the prophecies that can be generated by such, than, I have done a holy
thing but If this becomes cause of division than I am not offering anything
more that what was already offered to the world. what am I offering then? Am
I not offering to my brothers and sisters nothing less than confusion and
more reasons to argue about God? If now I am offering the word of God for
the only reason that I want to serve God...then I am truly serving God. But
if I become obstinate who am I serving?
Now If I am truly serving God I will learn to master God's word and god's
purpose (as man) and I will not be afraid to turn my ship in the needed
direction and I will surely not be afraid to answer to any question that a
person, a possible lost child, can ask me along the road. In fact, if a
child is lost, and if I think he is lost, and if I am a Pastor, I MUST be
there to help that child.
Therefore, regarding your problem with idolatry, which is not related to
this topic but strictly connected to it, if the same person said "stay away
from idolatry" but then said "Mercy prevails over Justice" He said it for a
reason. And if He said it He said it so that we can understand that God is
higher than any other small god that we can create. Now if we create an idol
which is not creating any other god but rather, one way or another, is there
to honor our God and to supply our lack of faith and lack of spirit, and if
it's there to honor the same God, what, then, is the sin? Is it not the sin
the very sin to run away from God? Is it not the sin the very sin to skip
duty? If then God sends other prophets and Saints and if He distributes, by
the Glory of these, the very Gifts intended for us to be received, with
happiness, and to be learned and loved and if those Gifts are coming through
the same idolatry through the Mercy of God, that by the way is part of those
gifts, who..then...am I to oppose the Glory of God and the power of His very
Gifts and set myself upon God as one greater than God's knowledge? On the
contrary, if I am the vessel of that knowledge as a housekeeper and I oppose
and, one day, I begin to refuse this very knowledge because it's not
convenient anymore...than...me too need to be fired from my position because
I have become an obstacle to God's plan and I am not a servant anymore. And
if I have knowledge and am an arrogant and I refuse to make myself subject
to obedience and authority I myself am guilty of arrogance and I should be
regarded as such. Therefore If after all of this I realize I have a Mother
and I ask her to pray for my sins and my sins are only of material nature,
yes, She will probably pray for me, but if my sins are of mortal
nature...how long would you expect Her to pray for such an abomination? I
tell you the truth, I tell you now the best that I know at the best that I
can understand it, something bad is happening to those that don't listen and
to the children of those that are more affected by the corruption of this
world: the more they attempt to get closer to the Holy Scriptures without
pure hearth the more they will be negatively affected. Those touched by the
Truth and the Light, the innocents, will learn more and will be more
sanctified by any sacred reading.
Against such things there is no easy answer or solution. Against such things
I can only find comfort and hope in prayers, praying that you all come to a
common reason and that you all acknowledge that it cannot continue this way.
I hope you can have the same comfort.
Beside all of this we must find the time to pray for the Muslim people and
for all of the soldiers that are losing their lives. As if this is not
enough we have to pray for the rest of the world that never had the chance
to know our customized concept of Christ's fraternal love and...perhaps, if
God wants, the true concept of Christ's love.
So, some of you are right here and some are wrong. One is saved by another
only when the one above is in the power and position to save others. But if
I lose that position as one that rescues and if I fall down in the
water...who can save me but myself? And how can I save my brother if I don't
save myself first? In that case I will never be worthy to be a lifesaver if
I am not ready to put my life in danger or even lose it to allow my brother
to climb on my own body and reach for the raft.
Glory to the Lord in Heaven and peace on Earth.
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| User: "L Perez" |
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| Title: Re: How come? |
05 Dec 2003 02:11:33 PM |
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"math boy" <noAddress@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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How come is this happening?
I dunno... some people are born lawyers??? ;-)
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| User: "John and Karen Gardner" |
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| Title: Re: How come? |
05 Dec 2003 02:32:06 PM |
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Some are born lawyers, some are made lawyers, some become lawyers for the
sake of the Kingdom, perhaps?
"L Perez" <LPerezDncr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"math boy" <noAddress@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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*** Cross-posted. Remove whatever group not intended before reply.
<snip>
How come is this happening?
I dunno... some people are born lawyers??? ;-)
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| User: "SD" |
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| Title: Re: How come? |
05 Dec 2003 02:31:37 PM |
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I think it's generally understood that when someone says they can save a
person it means they can show that person the road to salvation. There is
no reason for your statement to cause such distress. Without knowing more
about this Pastor it'd be tough to answer your question.
"math boy" <noAddress@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Ay5Ab.5234$IF6.257551@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
*** Cross-posted. Remove whatever group not intended before reply.
How come a priest is uncomfortable with someone like me, even not knowing
who I really am?
This acquaintance of mine is a fresh protestant Pastor, He is friendly
with
me, even got me a Logos computer bible software for free. The problem is,
when I try to talk about religion he gets embarrassed and tries to change
the conversation or pretend he's got to go. Last time I saw him he was
with
another member of his church, they were sitting comfortably in a public
place. I go see him at the table and he present his friend to me whom is a
member of his church. We start to talk and, just to make a test drive, I
jump right away to the religious subject. My friend is clearly
embarrassed,
he speaks shortly to his friend and points at me, "this man knows a lot".
I
smile and start to tell them two stories, one of two Jehovah witness and
one
of two Mormons that just came to my house. I explain them what I usually
end
up telling to the door-to-door evangelists, "you don't have the authority
to
save anyone. How can you say that you can save me? Only the Lord has
authority to save". This brand new Pastor friend of mine immediately open
his eyes while pointing at me and at his friend several times while
saying,
"See? Seee? I told you this man knows a lot!" He is clearly embarrassed
and
his friend is too (quite understandable, perhaps I should learn to talk
about something else). They keep on listening for a few more seconds and
they suddenly have this urge to leave. While the pastor's friend is a bit
far from us, this pastor friend come closer to me and offer apologies for
leaving while saying, "No, no my friend...seriously...you know a lot...you
know more than a man should know...I mean, more than a normal person
should
know. I don't know how you do that but...believe me, you know a lot". I
reply, "That's the truth my friend...it's only the Truth. Truth is simple,
you can't escape the Truth".
A simple question that you, teachers, can answer over here (no matte if I
don't reply):
How come is this happening?
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| User: "math boy" |
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| Title: Re: How come? |
07 Dec 2003 10:29:50 AM |
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Sorry for the bad english on my last post, I'm a donkey in languages and
even in names, beside I welcome discipline and critics about me and my work,
therefore anyone that want to come forward with complains can do this at
anytime. In fact, I am convinced that the hierarchical structure present in
the traditional Catholic Church with all of its surrounding environment,
when not affected by the power of the devil, is of inestimable value for the
growth of the spirit of a shepherd. This structure can be partially or
totally replaced only by one's individual ability or gift to see such a
structure in God's kingdom and be submitted to it.
Here is another part that can make you think about something that I just
said.
Acts 27:27
I suggest, once more, to avoid losing honesty and decency as much as
possible. It's of crucial importance to honor your Father and your Mother.
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