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HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL? |
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HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL?
Is manned space exploration really needed in the modern age?
NASA has launched space shuttle Endeavour with a crew of seven. But do
we really need to keep sending people into space?
Endeavour's mission is the second of four that Nasa plans this year to
finish the $100bn (£49.1bn) space station before the shuttle fleet
retires in 2010.
The latest NASA mission has been a success, so far. In 1986 the American
space shuttle Challenger exploded just after take off killing all seven
astronauts on board while in 2003 Columbia exploded on re-entry also
with the loss of seven lives.
Is manned space travel still relevant in the 21st century? Is it worth
the cost? Why does space still hold a strong fascination? Would you pay
to go on a space flight?
We will be discussing space travel on Sunday August 19th on our global
phone-in programme, Have Your Say. We will be joined by David Southwood,
the director of the European Space Agency. If you would like to take
part please include your telephone number. It will not be published.
Do you have a webcam? If so, why not send us your comment or question on
a short video? Find out how
Published: Tuesday, 14 August, 2007, 13:28 GMT 14:28 UK
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 15:19 GMT 16:19 UK
To the nay-sayers and those who think the money would be better spent on
their favourite boon-doggle instead who ask what use is space travel, I
quote the great Benjamin Franklin; "What use is a new-born baby?" Space
travel is essential. One day, we will have to expand beyond this little
planet, and we need to start our first faltering steps now. Indeed,
rather than spending less money on space travel, we should be spending more.
Arturo Calzino, Bedford, United Kingdom
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 15:17 GMT 16:17 UK
Understanding space is important. Human pace travel is unnecessary. It
for show and bragging rights. The money used for human space travel can
go much further if used for unmanned space studies. Remember the Hubble
and the information we squeezed out of it?
kaba, US
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 15:14 GMT 16:14 UK
Not enough money is spend on space exploration. The US taxpayer would
gladly pay more to fund NASA instead of welfare and other useless social
programs. It is human destiny to colonize space.
Hoboken Matt, NA
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 15:11 GMT 16:11 UK
no, it's not a waste at all. every manned flight into space adds a bit
to the experience we assemble. we (mankind that is) need to keep
focussing on the moon and mars. Terraforming and colonising moon and
mars must be the target. Once our species is not bound to 1 perticular
planet anymore, we're there for a very long run (in spacial terms).
Bert, leuven, belgium
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 15:11 GMT 16:11 UK
In 3 or 4 billion years from now our sun will become a supernova. It's
best not to be in the vicinity when that happens. At some stage, we're
going to have to find a new home. So we might as well start now. Of
course, there is a fair chance that we'll have destroyed the Earth long
before we've found a way of getting away from it. Let's hope that the
insects are taking notes !
Joe RYAN, Chartres, France
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 15:02 GMT 16:02 UK
Space travel is an indispensable part of the telecommunications
industries; for examples. Without space travel, the sovereignties of the
world's independent nation-states would be compromised, and/or violated,
while peoples strive to build and maintain extremely sophisticated
telecommunications systems simultaneously. I doubt that the World Wide
Web would have been an impossibility without the proliferations of space
travel.
Dave McClellan, Princess Anne, Virginia, America
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 15:01 GMT 16:01 UK
No, manned flight into space is not a wasted effort. I sense that
determinations have already been made as to how useful a human would be
on a long space flight. If science has shown humans will suffer so much
bone mass loss traveling in longer space flights, such as to Mars, as to
be useless, & unable to manuver in space, then those empirical limits
may curtail any other role for humans for now. Robotic flight could then
continue to provide gaps in knowledge.
Jerry, Silver, USA
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 14:53 GMT 15:53 UK
Our sun will eventually expand enough that it will swallow our planet,
yes, space exploration is still relevant, and still completely necessary.
Graeme Stewart, Dundee, United Kingdom
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 14:52 GMT 15:52 UK
Spacetravel does not happen in a vacuum (haha.), the scientific advances
made by solving spacetravel problems have been used for many down to
earth applications.
Besides that there's always the argument of not keeping all your eggs in
one basket. Humanity needs to spread out or risk being made extict by
one rather large and unlucky space rock or the next world war.
Jeroen Albers, Enschede, Netherlands
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 14:48 GMT 15:48 UK
Well, if governments were to use that money to research vaccines and
cures for diseases, providing food for the hungry, and going on
humanitarian missions to help people, then by comparison space travel is
a waste of resources. But hey, maybe its worthwhile to continue research
of space travel if the money would be used on making bombs instead- all
that matters is the alternative.
Daniel Schmidt, Boston, MA
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 14:48 GMT 15:48 UK
As a race of people we strive to better ourselves, finding new and
better ways of doing things and advancing technology. Space is just
another step along that road and who knows what the next step will
reveal to us? Answers to unasked questions await us. The idea that it
would be our generation that stops reaching for the unreachable is not
worth considering.
Today our pioneers willingly put their lives on the line so that
tomorrow we can go to space with safety of walking in the park!
Oliver, Cardiff
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 14:46 GMT 15:46 UK
First, let us feed the hungry and shelter the homeless.
Assta Gettu
Why? There will always be more, and if they are unable to better their
situation their children will become poor and homeless too - it is a
Sisyphean task. You might as well try to collect sand with a seive.
Also the amount on money actually spent on space travel is virtually
nothing - espcially when compared with milary budgets - NASA gets
hundreds of millions - US Mil gets hundreds of BILLIONS.
Steven Dean, Leamington Spa, UK
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 14:44 GMT 15:44 UK
Space travel is important and will come in its own good time.
NASA's shuttle has never been a space travel program, it is a military
project for control of neart-earth space as a platform for the military.
Its expense deprived us of good science projects, and its existence has
delayed or hurt genuine science projects, as with the launch of the
space telescope.
The moon landing was Cold War prestige and competition. We could have
learned far more for less money with a series of robots.
JOHN CHUCKMAN, Toronto
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 14:42 GMT 15:42 UK
We are overdue for a fairly large asteroid strike. There are some pretty
pregnant looking rocky lumps zooming around up there that would easily
wipe out half the planet if they hit. We need people going into space to
maintain the satellites that track these things and if we find an
asteroid on collision course, we will need people up there to
co-ordinate efforts to deflect it. Robots and computers can do plenty
but when was the last time your pc froze and needed a reboot? Some tasks
need humans.
Simon Brown, London, United Kingdom
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 14:40 GMT 15:40 UK
Where is the excitement of watching robots land on other planets? The
only way to fire the imagination of humanity is to see people setting
foot on Mars, explore the moons of Jupiter or the rings of Saturn.
Buzz Aldrin described the lunar surface as "a magnificent desolation".
No robot could convey a feeling of place in such a way.
The question should be what is the cost of not having manned space
travel? Answer, more wars as we fight over the finite resources of Earth.
[-Valeyard-]
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[endit]
Glenn
His witness
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http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
Note, the site at xprt.net will close 1Sept07 and open as
www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
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16 Aug 2007 06:13:07 PM |
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"Glenn" <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote in message
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HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL?
Is manned space exploration really needed in the modern age?
NASA has launched space shuttle Endeavour with a crew of seven. But do
we really need to keep sending people into space?
Endeavour's mission is the second of four that Nasa plans this year to
finish the $100bn (£49.1bn) space station before the shuttle fleet
retires in 2010.
The latest NASA mission has been a success, so far. In 1986 the American
space shuttle Challenger exploded just after take off killing all seven
astronauts on board while in 2003 Columbia exploded on re-entry also
with the loss of seven lives.
Is manned space travel still relevant in the 21st century? Is it worth
the cost? Why does space still hold a strong fascination? Would you pay
to go on a space flight?
We will be discussing space travel on Sunday August 19th on our global
phone-in programme, Have Your Say. We will be joined by David Southwood,
the director of the European Space Agency. If you would like to take
part please include your telephone number. It will not be published.
Do you have a webcam? If so, why not send us your comment or question on
a short video? Find out how
Published: Tuesday, 14 August, 2007, 13:28 GMT 14:28 UK
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 15:19 GMT 16:19 UK
To the nay-sayers and those who think the money would be better spent on
their favourite boon-doggle instead who ask what use is space travel, I
quote the great Benjamin Franklin; "What use is a new-born baby?" Space
travel is essential. One day, we will have to expand beyond this little
planet, and we need to start our first faltering steps now. Indeed,
rather than spending less money on space travel, we should be spending
more.
Arturo Calzino, Bedford, United Kingdom
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 15:17 GMT 16:17 UK
Understanding space is important. Human pace travel is unnecessary. It
for show and bragging rights. The money used for human space travel can
go much further if used for unmanned space studies. Remember the Hubble
and the information we squeezed out of it?
kaba, US
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 15:14 GMT 16:14 UK
Not enough money is spend on space exploration. The US taxpayer would
gladly pay more to fund NASA instead of welfare and other useless social
programs. It is human destiny to colonize space.
Hoboken Matt, NA
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 15:11 GMT 16:11 UK
no, it's not a waste at all. every manned flight into space adds a bit
to the experience we assemble. we (mankind that is) need to keep
focussing on the moon and mars. Terraforming and colonising moon and
mars must be the target. Once our species is not bound to 1 perticular
planet anymore, we're there for a very long run (in spacial terms).
Bert, leuven, belgium
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 15:11 GMT 16:11 UK
In 3 or 4 billion years from now our sun will become a supernova. It's
best not to be in the vicinity when that happens. At some stage, we're
going to have to find a new home. So we might as well start now. Of
course, there is a fair chance that we'll have destroyed the Earth long
before we've found a way of getting away from it. Let's hope that the
insects are taking notes !
Joe RYAN, Chartres, France
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 15:02 GMT 16:02 UK
Space travel is an indispensable part of the telecommunications
industries; for examples. Without space travel, the sovereignties of the
world's independent nation-states would be compromised, and/or violated,
while peoples strive to build and maintain extremely sophisticated
telecommunications systems simultaneously. I doubt that the World Wide
Web would have been an impossibility without the proliferations of space
travel.
Dave McClellan, Princess Anne, Virginia, America
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 15:01 GMT 16:01 UK
No, manned flight into space is not a wasted effort. I sense that
determinations have already been made as to how useful a human would be
on a long space flight. If science has shown humans will suffer so much
bone mass loss traveling in longer space flights, such as to Mars, as to
be useless, & unable to manuver in space, then those empirical limits
may curtail any other role for humans for now. Robotic flight could then
continue to provide gaps in knowledge.
Jerry, Silver, USA
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 14:53 GMT 15:53 UK
Our sun will eventually expand enough that it will swallow our planet,
yes, space exploration is still relevant, and still completely necessary.
Graeme Stewart, Dundee, United Kingdom
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 14:52 GMT 15:52 UK
Spacetravel does not happen in a vacuum (haha.), the scientific advances
made by solving spacetravel problems have been used for many down to
earth applications.
Besides that there's always the argument of not keeping all your eggs in
one basket. Humanity needs to spread out or risk being made extict by
one rather large and unlucky space rock or the next world war.
Jeroen Albers, Enschede, Netherlands
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 14:48 GMT 15:48 UK
Well, if governments were to use that money to research vaccines and
cures for diseases, providing food for the hungry, and going on
humanitarian missions to help people, then by comparison space travel is
a waste of resources. But hey, maybe its worthwhile to continue research
of space travel if the money would be used on making bombs instead- all
that matters is the alternative.
Daniel Schmidt, Boston, MA
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 14:48 GMT 15:48 UK
As a race of people we strive to better ourselves, finding new and
better ways of doing things and advancing technology. Space is just
another step along that road and who knows what the next step will
reveal to us? Answers to unasked questions await us. The idea that it
would be our generation that stops reaching for the unreachable is not
worth considering.
Today our pioneers willingly put their lives on the line so that
tomorrow we can go to space with safety of walking in the park!
Oliver, Cardiff
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 14:46 GMT 15:46 UK
First, let us feed the hungry and shelter the homeless.
Assta Gettu
Why? There will always be more, and if they are unable to better their
situation their children will become poor and homeless too - it is a
Sisyphean task. You might as well try to collect sand with a seive.
Also the amount on money actually spent on space travel is virtually
nothing - espcially when compared with milary budgets - NASA gets
hundreds of millions - US Mil gets hundreds of BILLIONS.
Steven Dean, Leamington Spa, UK
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 14:44 GMT 15:44 UK
Space travel is important and will come in its own good time.
NASA's shuttle has never been a space travel program, it is a military
project for control of neart-earth space as a platform for the military.
Its expense deprived us of good science projects, and its existence has
delayed or hurt genuine science projects, as with the launch of the
space telescope.
The moon landing was Cold War prestige and competition. We could have
learned far more for less money with a series of robots.
JOHN CHUCKMAN, Toronto
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 14:42 GMT 15:42 UK
We are overdue for a fairly large asteroid strike. There are some pretty
pregnant looking rocky lumps zooming around up there that would easily
wipe out half the planet if they hit. We need people going into space to
maintain the satellites that track these things and if we find an
asteroid on collision course, we will need people up there to
co-ordinate efforts to deflect it. Robots and computers can do plenty
but when was the last time your pc froze and needed a reboot? Some tasks
need humans.
Simon Brown, London, United Kingdom
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Added: Thursday, 16 August, 2007, 14:40 GMT 15:40 UK
Where is the excitement of watching robots land on other planets? The
only way to fire the imagination of humanity is to see people setting
foot on Mars, explore the moons of Jupiter or the rings of Saturn.
Buzz Aldrin described the lunar surface as "a magnificent desolation".
No robot could convey a feeling of place in such a way.
The question should be what is the cost of not having manned space
travel? Answer, more wars as we fight over the finite resources of Earth.
[-Valeyard-]
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[endit]
Glenn
His witness
-- There is plenty for all right here and the trip to mars where there is
nothing is senseless . a three year mission from plenty to nothing is
wicked, expensive and senseless. I think there may be millions of planets
with people but an impassable gulf in these human bodies but someday we
will meet other worlds. God said it will be better than we can imagine but
not now.
Love, Jack
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
Note, the site at xprt.net will close 1Sept07 and open as
www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
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16 Aug 2007 06:55:40 PM |
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Well, if governments were to use that money to research vaccines and
cures for diseases, providing food for the hungry, and going on
humanitarian missions to help people, then by comparison space travel is
a waste of resources. But hey, maybe its worthwhile to continue research
of space travel if the money would be used on making bombs instead- all
that matters is the alternative.
Daniel Schmidt, Boston, MA
About 95% of the technology we have, including that used in health care,
is a DIRECT result of pushing the limits in NASA.
MA ha ha ha ha ha ha
Get an MS or even just a highschool degree with some science
Discoveries are not direct. They are "DISCOVERIES"
We have spent USELESS billions on Cancer research.
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| User: "Vernono O Here @there" |
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16 Aug 2007 05:05:03 PM |
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1. ASK Columbus
2. About 95% of the technology we have, including that used in health care,
is a DIRECT result of pushing the limits in NASA. If you don't know that
and think there is another way,you shouldn't be asking the questions.
3. ANY relief from our dependence on oil and excess pollution has ALREADY
been "solved" with extensions of NASA research. Politics and ignorance are
keeping us from using it / them. The brilliant scientific minds of the Al
Gores and Hollywood crowd and novel writers and fake conservationists and
Ralph Naders "is" the PROBLEM. Industry is just waiting.
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16 Aug 2007 11:18:43 PM |
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Glenn wrote:
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http://tinyurl.com/35nhy5
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HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL?
Is manned space exploration really needed in the modern age?
JERRY
Those who don't continue to move forward have already started to die.
And, given that there won't be a "rapture," or a "Judgment Day,"
eventually our overpopulation will cause us to run into even more
serious problems in feeding and taking care of our population here.
Eventually, we must expand outward, over the course of the next few
thousand years.
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| User: "Dore" |
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17 Aug 2007 10:22:50 PM |
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"rogue" <rogue719@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187324323.076374.129080@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
And, given that there won't be a "rapture," or a "Judgment Day,"
eventually our overpopulation will cause us to run into even more
serious problems in feeding and taking care of our population here.
Eventually, we must expand outward, over the course of the next few
thousand years.
You are correct, there won't be any rapture, however, you are living during
judgment day right now and thus the earth only has approximately a thousand
years left, so there won't be any need to go anywhere else.
--
Dore
"rogue" <rogue719@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187324323.076374.129080@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
Glenn wrote:
[
found at
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=7129&edition=2
or
http://tinyurl.com/35nhy5
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HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL?
Is manned space exploration really needed in the modern age?
JERRY
Those who don't continue to move forward have already started to die.
And, given that there won't be a "rapture," or a "Judgment Day,"
eventually our overpopulation will cause us to run into even more
serious problems in feeding and taking care of our population here.
Eventually, we must expand outward, over the course of the next few
thousand years.
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18 Aug 2007 12:36:01 AM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:eCtxi.1597$5y3.1522@trndny07...
"rogue" <rogue719@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187324323.076374.129080@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
And, given that there won't be a "rapture," or a "Judgment Day,"
eventually our overpopulation will cause us to run into even more
serious problems in feeding and taking care of our population here.
Eventually, we must expand outward, over the course of the next few
thousand years.
You are correct, there won't be any rapture, however, you are living
during judgment day right now and thus the earth only has approximately a
thousand years left, so there won't be any need to go anywhere else.
--
Dore
"rogue" <rogue719@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187324323.076374.129080@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
Glenn wrote:
[
found at
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=7129&edition=2
or
http://tinyurl.com/35nhy5
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HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL?
Is manned space exploration really needed in the modern age?
JERRY
Those who don't continue to move forward have already started to die.
And, given that there won't be a "rapture," or a "Judgment Day,"
eventually our overpopulation will cause us to run into even more
serious problems in feeding and taking care of our population here.
Eventually, we must expand outward, over the course of the next few
thousand years.
God will eliminate the over population problem here on earth
Love, Jack
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17 Aug 2007 10:37:38 PM |
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On Aug 18, 7:22 am, "Dore" <dorewilliam...@verizon.net> wrote:
"rogue" <rogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187324323.076374.129080@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
And, given that there won't be a "rapture," or a "Judgment Day,"
eventually our overpopulation will cause us to run into even more
serious problems in feeding and taking care of our population here.
Eventually, we must expand outward, over the course of the next few
thousand years.
You are correct, there won't be any rapture, however, you are living during
judgment day right now and thus the earth only has approximately a thousand
years left, so there won't be any need to go anywhere else.
--
Dore
JERRY
Sadly, we won't be around in a thousand years for me to punch you in
the shoulder and say, "See? I told you that your belief is
flaky!" ;-)
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| User: "Glenn" |
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17 Aug 2007 01:43:13 PM |
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rogue wrote:
Glenn wrote:
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found at http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=7129&edition=2
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HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL?
Is manned space exploration really needed in the modern age?
JERRY
Those who don't continue to move forward have already started to die.
Believing and acting on delusion is not "moving forward."
And, given that there won't be a "rapture," or a "Judgment Day,"
eventually our overpopulation will cause us to run into even more
serious problems in feeding and taking care of our population here.
Eventually, we must expand outward, over the course of the next few
thousand years.
Jerry, you suffer so completely from delusion that I'm certain my reply
will be utterly useless to you... but I will reply to your post so that
someone else may benefit.
1.) While you are right that there will be no 'rapture' as described by
that false doctrine, I am aware that you are right for all the wrong
reasons.
2.) Yes, there will be a judgment day.
3.) The idea that people can "escape" this dying earth or "Expand into
Space" is a lie of Satan.
4.) The Government of the United States, and I'm sure Russia, England
and China, already know that mankind can not remain healthy during the
two or three years it will take to reach Mars, and they will not be in
good enough health to land and survive.
5.) The space programs in which the world's governments are engaged are
"eye candy" -- a "Potemkin village" intended to placate the masses, to
distract the public from the truth of the rapidly compounding problems
facing mankind.
5.) Mankind will not escape from this Earth.
6.) The fulfillment of all remaining prophecy of the End of this world
and return of Christ will occur in the lifetime of this generation.
Glenn
his witness
--
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
Note, the site at xprt.net will close 1Sept07 and open as
www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
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17 Aug 2007 02:38:15 PM |
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"Glenn" <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote in message
news:fa4q821mku@enews4.newsguy.com...
rogue wrote:
Glenn wrote:
[
found at
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=7129&edition=2
or
http://tinyurl.com/35nhy5
]
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HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL?
Is manned space exploration really needed in the modern age?
JERRY
Those who don't continue to move forward have already started to die.
Believing and acting on delusion is not "moving forward."
And, given that there won't be a "rapture," or a "Judgment Day,"
eventually our overpopulation will cause us to run into even more
serious problems in feeding and taking care of our population here.
Eventually, we must expand outward, over the course of the next few
thousand years.
Jerry, you suffer so completely from delusion that I'm certain my reply
will be utterly useless to you... but I will reply to your post so that
someone else may benefit.
1.) While you are right that there will be no 'rapture' as described by
that false doctrine, I am aware that you are right for all the wrong
reasons.
2.) Yes, there will be a judgment day.
3.) The idea that people can "escape" this dying earth or "Expand into
Space" is a lie of Satan.
4.) The Government of the United States, and I'm sure Russia, England
and China, already know that mankind can not remain healthy during the
two or three years it will take to reach Mars, and they will not be in
good enough health to land and survive.
5.) The space programs in which the world's governments are engaged are
"eye candy" -- a "Potemkin village" intended to placate the masses, to
distract the public from the truth of the rapidly compounding problems
facing mankind.
5.) Mankind will not escape from this Earth.
6.) The fulfillment of all remaining prophecy of the End of this world
and return of Christ will occur in the lifetime of this generation.
Glenn
his witness
There gettin ready to make us believe we must surrender all human rights
and form a one world place for the benifit of all and we don't have time
for discussion....666 Love, Jack
--
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
Note, the site at xprt.net will close 1Sept07 and open as
www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
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| User: "Glenn" |
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| Title: Re: HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL? |
17 Aug 2007 05:21:27 PM |
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Jack Baun wrote:
"Glenn" <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote in message
news:fa4q821mku@enews4.newsguy.com...
rogue wrote:
Glenn wrote:
[
found at
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=7129&edition=2
or
http://tinyurl.com/35nhy5
]
------------------------------
HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL?
Is manned space exploration really needed in the modern age?
JERRY
Those who don't continue to move forward have already started to die.
Believing and acting on delusion is not "moving forward."
And, given that there won't be a "rapture," or a "Judgment Day,"
eventually our overpopulation will cause us to run into even more
serious problems in feeding and taking care of our population here.
Eventually, we must expand outward, over the course of the next few
thousand years.
Jerry, you suffer so completely from delusion that I'm certain my reply
will be utterly useless to you... but I will reply to your post so that
someone else may benefit.
1.) While you are right that there will be no 'rapture' as described by
that false doctrine, I am aware that you are right for all the wrong
reasons.
2.) Yes, there will be a judgment day.
3.) The idea that people can "escape" this dying earth or "Expand into
Space" is a lie of Satan.
4.) The Government of the United States, and I'm sure Russia, England
and China, already know that mankind can not remain healthy during the
two or three years it will take to reach Mars, and they will not be in
good enough health to land and survive.
5.) The space programs in which the world's governments are engaged are
"eye candy" -- a "Potemkin village" intended to placate the masses, to
distract the public from the truth of the rapidly compounding problems
facing mankind.
5.) Mankind will not escape from this Earth.
6.) The fulfillment of all remaining prophecy of the End of this world
and return of Christ will occur in the lifetime of this generation.
Glenn
his witness
There gettin ready to make us believe we must surrender all human rights
and form a one world place for the benifit of all and we don't have time
for discussion....666 Love, Jack
Yes, Jack, you've got this one right too...
Glenn
--
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
Note, the site at xprt.net will close 1Sept07 and open as
www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
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| User: "rogue" |
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17 Aug 2007 10:35:48 PM |
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On Aug 17, 10:43 pm, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
Glenn wrote:
[
found athttp://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=7129&edition=2
or
http://tinyurl.com/35nhy5
]
------------------------------
HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL?
Is manned space exploration really needed in the modern age?
JERRY
Those who don't continue to move forward have already started to die.
GLENN
Believing and acting on delusion is not "moving forward."
JERRY
But Glenn, it's not delusion if I can show the bible isn't true.
And, given that there won't be a "rapture," or a "Judgment Day,"
eventually our overpopulation will cause us to run into even more
serious problems in feeding and taking care of our population here.
Eventually, we must expand outward, over the course of the next few
thousand years.
GLENN
Jerry, you suffer so completely from delusion that I'm certain my reply
will be utterly useless to you... but I will reply to your post so that
someone else may benefit.
1.) While you are right that there will be no 'rapture' as described by
that false doctrine, I am aware that you are right for all the wrong
reasons.
2.) Yes, there will be a judgment day.
JERRY
Your statement is based upon a belief that the bible is true, Glenn.
Since the bible fails to be historically true or accurate, fails on
prophecy and contradicts itself, the bible is not the word of any
deity, therefore any beliefs based upon it are misplace.
I can show the bible isn't true. Can you prove me wrong? If not, you
have nothing but opinion to support your belief.
GLENN
3.) The idea that people can "escape" this dying earth or "Expand into
Space" is a lie of Satan.
JERRY
Really? Where does it say that in the bible? Oh, that's right, this
is just more of Glenn's personal beliefs.
GLENN
4.) The Government of the United States, and I'm sure Russia, England
and China, already know that mankind can not remain healthy during the
two or three years it will take to reach Mars, and they will not be in
good enough health to land and survive.
JERRY
Cite? Oh wait, this is more of Glenn's opinion, right?
GLENN
5.) The space programs in which the world's governments are engaged are
"eye candy" -- a "Potemkin village" intended to placate the masses, to
distract the public from the truth of the rapidly compounding problems
facing mankind.
5.) Mankind will not escape from this Earth.
JERRY
You have five there twice. ;-)
6.) The fulfillment of all remaining prophecy of the End of this world
and return of Christ will occur in the lifetime of this generation.
JERRY
LOL! Glenn, the prophecy of the destruction of Tyre by King Nebs in
Ezekiel chapter 26 never came true. Why should anyone believe that
any other half-baked prophecies in the book should come true?
Glenn
his witness (with lots of opinions and no facts)
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| User: "Glenn" |
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17 Aug 2007 11:15:54 PM |
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rogue wrote:
On Aug 17, 10:43 pm, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
Glenn wrote:
[
found athttp://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=7129&edition=2
or
http://tinyurl.com/35nhy5
]
------------------------------
HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL?
Is manned space exploration really needed in the modern age?
JERRY
Those who don't continue to move forward have already started to die.
GLENN
Believing and acting on delusion is not "moving forward."
JERRY
But Glenn, it's not delusion if I can show the bible isn't true.
Ah, since you mention THAT delusion, then, for you, there are two
delusions--- First, you can't prove the Bible untrue, second, mankind
will not survive in space, NOR establish a colony on the Moon or on Mars.
And, given that there won't be a "rapture," or a "Judgment Day,"
eventually our overpopulation will cause us to run into even more
serious problems in feeding and taking care of our population here.
Eventually, we must expand outward, over the course of the next few
thousand years.
GLENN
Jerry, you suffer so completely from delusion that I'm certain my reply
will be utterly useless to you... but I will reply to your post so that
someone else may benefit.
1.) While you are right that there will be no 'rapture' as described by
that false doctrine, I am aware that you are right for all the wrong
reasons.
2.) Yes, there will be a judgment day.
JERRY
Your statement is based upon a belief that the bible is true, Glenn.
Since the bible fails to be historically true or accurate, fails on
prophecy and contradicts itself, the bible is not the word of any
deity, therefore any beliefs based upon it are misplace.
You believe the lies you wish to believe.
I can show the bible isn't true. Can you prove me wrong? If not, you
have nothing but opinion to support your belief.
You only have your own opinion that the Bible is not true.
GLENN
3.) The idea that people can "escape" this dying earth or "Expand into
Space" is a lie of Satan.
JERRY
Really? Where does it say that in the bible? Oh, that's right, this
is just more of Glenn's personal beliefs.
I said it is a lie of Satan. Now, if you care to, you can spend the rest
of you life proving I was wrong....
GLENN
4.) The Government of the United States, and I'm sure Russia, England
and China, already know that mankind can not remain healthy during the
two or three years it will take to reach Mars, and they will not be in
good enough health to land and survive.
JERRY
Cite? Oh wait, this is more of Glenn's opinion, right?
The information is available in NASA Records of Medical tests, and
scientific tests of many types of living Organisms...
GLENN
5.) The space programs in which the world's governments are engaged are
"eye candy" -- a "Potemkin village" intended to placate the masses, to
distract the public from the truth of the rapidly compounding problems
facing mankind.
5.) Mankind will not escape from this Earth.
JERRY
You have five there twice. ;-)
O damn, spank my hand....
6.) The fulfillment of all remaining prophecy of the End of this world
and return of Christ will occur in the lifetime of this generation.
JERRY
LOL! Glenn, the prophecy of the destruction of Tyre by King Nebs in
Ezekiel chapter 26 never came true. Why should anyone believe that
any other half-baked prophecies in the book should come true?
You believe what you wish...
Glenn
--
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
Note, the site at xprt.net will close 1Sept07 and open as
www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
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| User: "rogue" |
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| Title: Re: HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL? |
19 Aug 2007 12:27:10 AM |
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On Aug 18, 8:15 am, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
On Aug 17, 10:43 pm, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
Glenn wrote:
[
found athttp://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=7129&edition=2
or
http://tinyurl.com/35nhy5
]
------------------------------
HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL?
Is manned space exploration really needed in the modern age?
JERRY
Those who don't continue to move forward have already started to die.
GLENN
Believing and acting on delusion is not "moving forward."
JERRY
But Glenn, it's not delusion if I can show the bible isn't true.
GLENN
Ah, since you mention THAT delusion, then, for you, there are two
delusions--- First, you can't prove the Bible untrue, second, mankind
will not survive in space, NOR establish a colony on the Moon or on Mars.
JERRY
Actually, they sound like your delusions.
Ezekiel chapter 26 has Yahweh's "prophet" telling how Yahweh would
bring about the destruction of the island city of Tyre, which had
never been defeated. He was going to use as his agent, King
Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Kings, to attack the island, "make it like
a place uninhabited," scrape it "bare as a rock and make it a place
for the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea" and finally he
would bring "The Deep," to come and carry it away where it would never
be found again.
King Nebs did attack Tyre and laid siege for 13 years and was unable
to take the city, finally signing a treaty with it.
There, I just proved the bible wrong. And in doing so, I proved YOU
wrong.
Second, we have sent many manned missions into space and the people
have survived, therefore, mankind can and has survived in space. You
are wrong again.
And, given that there won't be a "rapture," or a "Judgment Day,"
eventually our overpopulation will cause us to run into even more
serious problems in feeding and taking care of our population here.
Eventually, we must expand outward, over the course of the next few
thousand years.
GLENN
Jerry, you suffer so completely from delusion that I'm certain my reply
will be utterly useless to you... but I will reply to your post so that
someone else may benefit.
1.) While you are right that there will be no 'rapture' as described by
that false doctrine, I am aware that you are right for all the wrong
reasons.
2.) Yes, there will be a judgment day.
JERRY
Your statement is based upon a belief that the bible is true, Glenn.
Since the bible fails to be historically true or accurate, fails on
prophecy and contradicts itself, the bible is not the word of any
deity, therefore any beliefs based upon it are misplace.
GLENN
You believe the lies you wish to believe.
JERRY
I believe what I can prove.
The bible fails to be historically accurate. Egyptologists have shown
that slavery as depicted in the bible did not exist in Egypt at the
time of the Exodus story.
Archaeologists have shown that the walls of Jericho were already down
at the time when Joshua would have arrived there.
The bible tells of a global flood, but geology shows where there were
floods and when and there is not only no evidence to support a global
flood, there is much evidence to show it never happened.
The bible fails to be true historically.
I've also shown above where in the bible we have a failed prophecy.
For proof of the contradictions within the texts of the bible, look no
further than the four gospels accounts of the Resurrection morning.
I can show the bible isn't true. Can you prove me wrong? If not, you
have nothing but opinion to support your belief.
GLENN
You only have your own opinion that the Bible is not true.
JERRY
No, actually I've been doing this for a while and have found the
resources on the web and in books to show that the bible isn't true.
It's not just my opinion, it's something that can be supported by the
evidence.
GLENN
3.) The idea that people can "escape" this dying earth or "Expand into
Space" is a lie of Satan.
JERRY
Really? Where does it say that in the bible? Oh, that's right, this
is just more of Glenn's personal beliefs.
GLENN
I said it is a lie of Satan. Now, if you care to, you can spend the rest
of you life proving I was wrong....
JERRY
Well, Satan doesn't exist, because he's a construct of a book I have
already shown isn't true. That means I have just proven you wrong in
this post. Of course, it also means your bible god doesn't exist, but
that's also no concern of mine.
GLENN
4.) The Government of the United States, and I'm sure Russia, England
and China, already know that mankind can not remain healthy during the
two or three years it will take to reach Mars, and they will not be in
good enough health to land and survive.
JERRY
Cite? Oh wait, this is more of Glenn's opinion, right?
GLENN
The information is available in NASA Records of Medical tests, and
scientific tests of many types of living Organisms...
JERRY
That's not a cite, Glenn. You are making a statement you assume to be
true and telling it as a fact. Please show where I can go to get the
same material and read it for myself.
GLENN
5.) The space programs in which the world's governments are engaged are
"eye candy" -- a "Potemkin village" intended to placate the masses, to
distract the public from the truth of the rapidly compounding problems
facing mankind.
5.) Mankind will not escape from this Earth.
JERRY
You have five there twice. ;-)
O damn, spank my hand....
JERRY
No, you like the pain. ;-)
6.) The fulfillment of all remaining prophecy of the End of this world
and return of Christ will occur in the lifetime of this generation.
JERRY
LOL! Glenn, the prophecy of the destruction of Tyre by King Nebs in
Ezekiel chapter 26 never came true. Why should anyone believe that
any other half-baked prophecies in the book should come true?
GLENN
You believe what you wish...
JERRY
LOL! No, actually I have proven it here in free. christians and in
alt.talk.creationism for many years. A quick search of Tyre, ROGUE
and Jerry in the archives will bring you plenty of posts, some of them
debates where I proved against the varied apologists on the web that I
was correct and the bible failed on prophecy.
I know your faith (belief where there is no evidence to support) is
great, Glenn, but it's also misguided when you refuse to believe the
evidence that proves you wrong.
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| User: "Glenn" |
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| Title: Re: HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL? |
19 Aug 2007 01:00:34 AM |
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rogue wrote:
On Aug 18, 8:15 am, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
On Aug 17, 10:43 pm, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
Glenn wrote:
[
found athttp://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=7129&edition=2
or
http://tinyurl.com/35nhy5
]
------------------------------
HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL?
Is manned space exploration really needed in the modern age?
JERRY
Those who don't continue to move forward have already started to die.
GLENN
Believing and acting on delusion is not "moving forward."
JERRY
But Glenn, it's not delusion if I can show the bible isn't true.
GLENN
Ah, since you mention THAT delusion, then, for you, there are two
delusions--- First, you can't prove the Bible untrue, second, mankind
will not survive in space, NOR establish a colony on the Moon or on Mars.
JERRY
Actually, they sound like your delusions.
Ezekiel chapter 26 has Yahweh's "prophet" telling how Yahweh would
bring about the destruction of the island city of Tyre, which had
never been defeated. He was going to use as his agent, King
Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Kings, to attack the island, "make it like
a place uninhabited," scrape it "bare as a rock and make it a place
for the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea" and finally he
would bring "The Deep," to come and carry it away where it would never
be found again.
King Nebs did attack Tyre and laid siege for 13 years and was unable
to take the city, finally signing a treaty with it.
There, I just proved the bible wrong.
No: What you've proved is, you believe what you want to believe.
Second, we have sent many manned missions into space and the people
have survived, therefore, mankind can and has survived in space.
Again, you choose to lie, and to believe a lie.
Men have lived in space for a year or more -- but their health is
failing, and medical science knows that men will not remain in good
health long enough to land and survive on Mars.
The medical/physical deterioration of Space crew is a matter of record.
The life span of man in space is only half the problem.
A mission to Mars must be "land and full abort/return; or it must be
land with no abort/return capability and therefore require continual
support.
There is no ship or transport which can get a 'survivable landing party'
(a four "man" crew is not "survivable") to Mars with full abort/return
capability.
There is no ship/transport available to land a 'survivable landing
party' then support that colony. Following ships would need to be
'crewed' -- thus adding to the size of the 'party' which needed support;
or robot ships which thus far have not demonstrated a 'serviceability
record' to Mars.
"Space Travel" is a 'science fiction' dream, regardless of how the liars
insist otherwise.
You, or course, are free to believe what you wish...
There will be no colony on the moon or on Mars.
Glenn
his witness
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
Note, the site at xprt.net will close 1Sept07 and open as
www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
.
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| User: "rogue" |
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| Title: Re: HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL? |
19 Aug 2007 01:53:36 AM |
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On Aug 19, 10:00 am, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
On Aug 18, 8:15 am, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
On Aug 17, 10:43 pm, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
Glenn wrote:
[
found athttp://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=7129&edition=2
or
http://tinyurl.com/35nhy5
]
------------------------------
HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL?
Is manned space exploration really needed in the modern age?
JERRY
Those who don't continue to move forward have already started to die.
GLENN
Believing and acting on delusion is not "moving forward."
JERRY
But Glenn, it's not delusion if I can show the bible isn't true.
GLENN
Ah, since you mention THAT delusion, then, for you, there are two
delusions--- First, you can't prove the Bible untrue, second, mankind
will not survive in space, NOR establish a colony on the Moon or on Mars.
JERRY
Actually, they sound like your delusions.
Ezekiel chapter 26 has Yahweh's "prophet" telling how Yahweh would
bring about the destruction of the island city of Tyre, which had
never been defeated. He was going to use as his agent, King
Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Kings, to attack the island, "make it like
a place uninhabited," scrape it "bare as a rock and make it a place
for the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea" and finally he
would bring "The Deep," to come and carry it away where it would never
be found again.
King Nebs did attack Tyre and laid siege for 13 years and was unable
to take the city, finally signing a treaty with it.
There, I just proved the bible wrong.
GLENN
No: What you've proved is, you believe what you want to believe.
JERRY
Can you prove that the destruction of Tyre happened as prophecied? I
can prove that it didn't, Glenn. That means I have facts and you have
ignorance of facts, unless you can provide facts to show that the
destruction happened as it was prophecied.
Second, we have sent many manned missions into space and the people
have survived, therefore, mankind can and has survived in space.
GLENN
Again, you choose to lie, and to believe a lie.
JERRY
Those space shuttle missions aren't going into space? Got any
evidence to support that?
GLENN
Men have lived in space for a year or more -- but their health is
failing, and medical science knows that men will not remain in good
health long enough to land and survive on Mars.
The medical/physical deterioration of Space crew is a matter of record.
JERRY
You mean the muscle atrophy because of lack of gravity? There are
ways around that and they will be put into place before such a long
mission. That's not a big deal, Glenn. There are ways to put
resistance on muscles to keep them strong
GLENN
The life span of man in space is only half the problem.
JERRY
So far we've not seen anything that will affect life span, Glenn.
Only muscles atrophying because of lack of resistance in zero gravity.
GLENN
A mission to Mars must be "land and full abort/return; or it must be
land with no abort/return capability and therefore require continual
support.
JERRY
Cite? Where are you reading this?
GLENN
There is no ship or transport which can get a 'survivable landing party'
(a four "man" crew is not "survivable") to Mars with full abort/return
capability.
There is no ship/transport available to land a 'survivable landing
party' then support that colony. Following ships would need to be
'crewed' -- thus adding to the size of the 'party' which needed support;
or robot ships which thus far have not demonstrated a 'serviceability
record' to Mars.
JERRY
Cite?
GLENN
"Space Travel" is a 'science fiction' dream, regardless of how the liars
insist otherwise.
You, or course, are free to believe what you wish...
JERRY
I'd like to read what you are reading before I decide. I already know
that you don't believe history when it proves the bible wrong, and I
strongly suspect you aren't a believer in evolution, which would mean
you disregard proven science when science proves the bible wrong.
GLENN
There will be no colony on the moon or on Mars.
JERRY
Perhaps not in our lifetimes, and to be honest, the only reason I can
see for a colony on a planet that can't support life would be for the
proof that it can be done.
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| User: "Glenn" |
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| Title: Re: HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL? |
19 Aug 2007 01:13:30 PM |
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rogue wrote:
On Aug 19, 10:00 am, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
On Aug 18, 8:15 am, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
On Aug 17, 10:43 pm, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
Glenn wrote:
[
found athttp://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=7129&edition=2
or
http://tinyurl.com/35nhy5
]
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HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL?
Is manned space exploration really needed in the modern age?
JERRY
Those who don't continue to move forward have already started to die.
GLENN
Believing and acting on delusion is not "moving forward."
JERRY
But Glenn, it's not delusion if I can show the bible isn't true.
GLENN
Ah, since you mention THAT delusion, then, for you, there are two
delusions--- First, you can't prove the Bible untrue, second, mankind
will not survive in space, NOR establish a colony on the Moon or on Mars.
JERRY
Actually, they sound like your delusions.
Ezekiel chapter 26 has Yahweh's "prophet" telling how Yahweh would
bring about the destruction of the island city of Tyre, which had
never been defeated. He was going to use as his agent, King
Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Kings, to attack the island, "make it like
a place uninhabited," scrape it "bare as a rock and make it a place
for the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea" and finally he
would bring "The Deep," to come and carry it away where it would never
be found again.
King Nebs did attack Tyre and laid siege for 13 years and was unable
to take the city, finally signing a treaty with it.
There, I just proved the bible wrong.
GLENN
No: What you've proved is, you believe what you want to believe.
JERRY
Can you prove that the destruction of Tyre happened as prophecied?
No person can "prove" anything to someone who refuses to believe. In
fact, Jerry, the rejection of truth results in delusion, and delusion
leads to insanity and death. 2 Thes 2:10-12.
I can prove that it didn't, Glenn.
No, what you can prove is that YOU believe the prophecy was not
fulfilled as you understand that prophecy.
What you prove, Jerry, is that you believe what you wish to believe.
That means I have facts and you have
ignorance of facts, unless you can provide facts to show that the
destruction happened as it was prophecied.
Second, we have sent many manned missions into space and the people
have survived, therefore, mankind can and has survived in space.
GLENN
Again, you choose to lie, and to believe a lie.
JERRY
Those space shuttle missions aren't going into space? Got any
evidence to support that?
This is what demonstrates the nature of your soul -- that you are a liar
in your mind and soul.
I never said men could not or would not 'go' or have not 'gone' into
space." THAT is your lie.
I said man can not 'survive' in space long enough to reach Mars in good
enough physical condition to land and establish a survivable colony.
GLENN
Men have lived in space for a year or more -- but their health is
failing, and medical science knows that men will not remain in good
health long enough to land and survive on Mars.
The medical/physical deterioration of Space crew is a matter of record.
JERRY
You mean the muscle atrophy because of lack of gravity? There are
ways around that and they will be put into place before such a long
mission. That's not a big deal, Glenn. There are ways to put
resistance on muscles to keep them strong
You do not comprehend that exercise does not stop the problem, it only
delays the atrophy -- which is the process of dying.
GLENN
The life span of man in space is only half the problem.
JERRY
So far we've not seen anything that will affect life span, Glenn.
You are lying to yourself: "atrophy" effects life span, it is dying.
Only muscles atrophying because of lack of resistance in zero gravity.
GLENN
A mission to Mars must be "land and full abort/return; or it must be
land with no abort/return capability and therefore require continual
support.
JERRY
Cite? Where are you reading this?
Is 'reading" your only source of information? If so, I suggest you do
some study.
GLENN
There is no ship or transport which can get a 'survivable landing party'
(a four "man" crew is not "survivable") to Mars with full abort/return
capability.
There is no ship/transport available to land a 'survivable landing
party' then support that colony. Following ships would need to be
'crewed' -- thus adding to the size of the 'party' which needed support;
or robot ships which thus far have not demonstrated a 'serviceability
record' to Mars.
JERRY
Cite?
See above.
GLENN
"Space Travel" is a 'science fiction' dream, regardless of how the liars
insist otherwise.
You, or course, are free to believe what you wish...
JERRY
I'd like to read what you are reading before I decide. I already know
that you don't believe history when it proves the bible wrong,
History does not prove the Bible wrong.
and I
strongly suspect you aren't a believer in evolution, which would mean
you disregard proven science when science proves the bible wrong.
GLENN
There will be no colony on the moon or on Mars.
JERRY
Perhaps not in our lifetimes, and to be honest, the only reason I can
see for a colony on a planet that can't support life would be for the
proof that it can be done.
It can't be done, nor will it ever be done, and mankind will come to
know that before too long -- whether you ever believe truth or not is
your choice.
Glenn
--
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
Note, the site at xprt.net will close 1Sept07 and open as
www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
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| User: "Gregory A Greenman" |
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| Title: Re: HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL? |
19 Aug 2007 04:41:20 PM |
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In article <faa18d02dnu@enews1.newsguy.com>, Glenn
<gamcclary@spiritone.com> declared...
rogue wrote:
On Aug 19, 10:00 am, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
On Aug 18, 8:15 am, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
On Aug 17, 10:43 pm, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
Glenn wrote:
[
found athttp://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=7129&edition=2
or
http://tinyurl.com/35nhy5
]
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HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL?
Is manned space exploration really needed in the modern age?
JERRY
Those who don't continue to move forward have already started to die.
GLENN
Believing and acting on delusion is not "moving forward."
JERRY
But Glenn, it's not delusion if I can show the bible isn't true.
GLENN
Ah, since you mention THAT delusion, then, for you, there are two
delusions--- First, you can't prove the Bible untrue, second, mankind
will not survive in space, NOR establish a colony on the Moon or on Mars.
JERRY
Actually, they sound like your delusions.
Ezekiel chapter 26 has Yahweh's "prophet" telling how Yahweh would
bring about the destruction of the island city of Tyre, which had
never been defeated. He was going to use as his agent, King
Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Kings, to attack the island, "make it like
a place uninhabited," scrape it "bare as a rock and make it a place
for the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea" and finally he
would bring "The Deep," to come and carry it away where it would never
be found again.
King Nebs did attack Tyre and laid siege for 13 years and was unable
to take the city, finally signing a treaty with it.
There, I just proved the bible wrong.
GLENN
No: What you've proved is, you believe what you want to believe.
JERRY
Can you prove that the destruction of Tyre happened as prophecied?
No person can "prove" anything to someone who refuses to believe. In
fact, Jerry, the rejection of truth results in delusion, and delusion
leads to insanity and death. 2 Thes 2:10-12.
So how long do you figure you have until you die?
--
Greg
----
http://www.spencerbooksellers.com
greg00 -at- spencersoft -dot- com
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| User: "Glenn" |
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| Title: Re: HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL? |
19 Aug 2007 05:37:41 PM |
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Gregory A Greenman wrote:
In article <faa18d02dnu@enews1.newsguy.com>, Glenn
<gamcclary@spiritone.com> declared...
rogue wrote:
On Aug 19, 10:00 am, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
On Aug 18, 8:15 am, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
On Aug 17, 10:43 pm, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
Glenn wrote:
[
found athttp://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=7129&edition=2
or
http://tinyurl.com/35nhy5
]
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HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL?
Is manned space exploration really needed in the modern age?
JERRY
Those who don't continue to move forward have already started to die.
GLENN
Believing and acting on delusion is not "moving forward."
JERRY
But Glenn, it's not delusion if I can show the bible isn't true.
GLENN
Ah, since you mention THAT delusion, then, for you, there are two
delusions--- First, you can't prove the Bible untrue, second, mankind
will not survive in space, NOR establish a colony on the Moon or on Mars.
JERRY
Actually, they sound like your delusions.
Ezekiel chapter 26 has Yahweh's "prophet" telling how Yahweh would
bring about the destruction of the island city of Tyre, which had
never been defeated. He was going to use as his agent, King
Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Kings, to attack the island, "make it like
a place uninhabited," scrape it "bare as a rock and make it a place
for the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea" and finally he
would bring "The Deep," to come and carry it away where it would never
be found again.
King Nebs did attack Tyre and laid siege for 13 years and was unable
to take the city, finally signing a treaty with it.
There, I just proved the bible wrong.
GLENN
No: What you've proved is, you believe what you want to believe.
JERRY
Can you prove that the destruction of Tyre happened as prophecied?
No person can "prove" anything to someone who refuses to believe. In
fact, Jerry, the rejection of truth results in delusion, and delusion
leads to insanity and death. 2 Thes 2:10-12.
So how long do you figure you have until you die?
All men die...
....all men do not die of the same cause.
Glenn
--
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
Note, the site at xprt.net will close 1Sept07 and open as
www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
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| User: "Gregory A Greenman" |
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| Title: Re: HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL? |
19 Aug 2007 06:59:35 PM |
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In article <faagnm02tut@enews1.newsguy.com>, Glenn
<gamcclary@spiritone.com> declared...
Gregory A Greenman wrote:
In article <faa18d02dnu@enews1.newsguy.com>, Glenn
<gamcclary@spiritone.com> declared...
rogue wrote:
On Aug 19, 10:00 am, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
On Aug 18, 8:15 am, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
On Aug 17, 10:43 pm, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
Glenn wrote:
[
found athttp://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=7129&edition=2
or
http://tinyurl.com/35nhy5
]
------------------------------
HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL?
Is manned space exploration really needed in the modern age?
JERRY
Those who don't continue to move forward have already started to die.
GLENN
Believing and acting on delusion is not "moving forward."
JERRY
But Glenn, it's not delusion if I can show the bible isn't true.
GLENN
Ah, since you mention THAT delusion, then, for you, there are two
delusions--- First, you can't prove the Bible untrue, second, mankind
will not survive in space, NOR establish a colony on the Moon or on Mars.
JERRY
Actually, they sound like your delusions.
Ezekiel chapter 26 has Yahweh's "prophet" telling how Yahweh would
bring about the destruction of the island city of Tyre, which had
never been defeated. He was going to use as his agent, King
Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Kings, to attack the island, "make it like
a place uninhabited," scrape it "bare as a rock and make it a place
for the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea" and finally he
would bring "The Deep," to come and carry it away where it would never
be found again.
King Nebs did attack Tyre and laid siege for 13 years and was unable
to take the city, finally signing a treaty with it.
There, I just proved the bible wrong.
GLENN
No: What you've proved is, you believe what you want to believe.
JERRY
Can you prove that the destruction of Tyre happened as prophecied?
No person can "prove" anything to someone who refuses to believe. In
fact, Jerry, the rejection of truth results in delusion, and delusion
leads to insanity and death. 2 Thes 2:10-12.
So how long do you figure you have until you die?
All men die...
...all men do not die of the same cause.
I guess a non sequitur is about the best I could have hoped for.
So, thanks.
--
Greg
----
http://www.spencerbooksellers.com
greg00 -at- spencersoft -dot- com
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| User: "Glenn" |
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| Title: Re: HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL? |
20 Aug 2007 01:40:52 AM |
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Gregory A Greenman wrote:
In article <faagnm02tut@enews1.newsguy.com>, Glenn
<gamcclary@spiritone.com> declared...
Gregory A Greenman wrote:
In article <faa18d02dnu@enews1.newsguy.com>, Glenn
<gamcclary@spiritone.com> declared...
rogue wrote:
On Aug 19, 10:00 am, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
On Aug 18, 8:15 am, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
On Aug 17, 10:43 pm, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
rogue wrote:
Glenn wrote:
[
found athttp://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=7129&edition=2
or
http://tinyurl.com/35nhy5
]
------------------------------
HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL?
Is manned space exploration really needed in the modern age?
JERRY
Those who don't continue to move forward have already started to die.
GLENN
Believing and acting on delusion is not "moving forward."
JERRY
But Glenn, it's not delusion if I can show the bible isn't true.
GLENN
Ah, since you mention THAT delusion, then, for you, there are two
delusions--- First, you can't prove the Bible untrue, second, mankind
will not survive in space, NOR establish a colony on the Moon or on Mars.
JERRY
Actually, they sound like your delusions.
Ezekiel chapter 26 has Yahweh's "prophet" telling how Yahweh would
bring about the destruction of the island city of Tyre, which had
never been defeated. He was going to use as his agent, King
Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Kings, to attack the island, "make it like
a place uninhabited," scrape it "bare as a rock and make it a place
for the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea" and finally he
would bring "The Deep," to come and carry it away where it would never
be found again.
King Nebs did attack Tyre and laid siege for 13 years and was unable
to take the city, finally signing a treaty with it.
There, I just proved the bible wrong.
GLENN
No: What you've proved is, you believe what you want to believe.
JERRY
Can you prove that the destruction of Tyre happened as prophecied?
No person can "prove" anything to someone who refuses to believe. In
fact, Jerry, the rejection of truth results in delusion, and delusion
leads to insanity and death. 2 Thes 2:10-12.
So how long do you figure you have until you die?
All men die...
...all men do not die of the same cause.
I guess a non sequitur is about the best I could have hoped for.
So, thanks.
Since you don't seem to know the difference between an axiomatic and a
non-sequitur statement, I suggest you begin to repair your education here--
http://tinyurl.com/as6b7
http://tinyurl.com/35t5yb
Glenn
--
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
Note, the site at xprt.net will close 1Sept07 and open as
www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
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| User: "gatekeeper" |
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| Title: Re: HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL? |
20 Aug 2007 02:42:25 AM |
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On Aug 20, 12:40 am, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
snip
Glenn
I found your discussion with Rogue above much more interesting, so if
I may try to get it back on track!
I agree with you Glenn that we will never get to Mars, with existing
technology. If microgravity did not leave an astronaut an invalid
after two years in space, the exposure to radiation would leave them
well done!
When we have great difficulty servicing the ISS only 300 miles up,
what makes us think that we could even begin to launch enough support
ships to service a colony several hundred thousands of miles distant?
I am not sure of the distances, I have read it took almost two years
to get the martian landers up there! If we launched one every month,
to resupply the colony, we would have 24 vehicles in space at any one
time, at least, and this is not counting them coming back!
So if every trip is a oneway trip, is there any chance we could even
manufacture them that fast? Besides train crews who we know we will
never see again? It is not like Columbus selecting a sailing crew to
man the Santa Maria! Even that trip only took a few months!
Technologically we are light-years further behind the technology
learning curve than Columbus was in 1492! He had thousands of years
of experience to call on when it came to sailing a ship, we have what
40 years!
Then if anything untoward happens, the whole mission would be scrubbed
with the loss of the whole project! To lose a robot is sad, to lose
the lives of all those involved in such a far reaching project, would
sour the souls of World investors, who have lost all of their
investments! Think how we react when 6 men get lost in a coalmine in
our own backyard!
Without major tech advances, it is all a pipe dream! But people love
pipe dreams! Maybe 2000 or 3000 years from now we will have the
required technology! Gk
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| User: "rogue" |
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| Title: Re: HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL? |
21 Aug 2007 05:46:29 AM |
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On Aug 20, 11:42 am, gatekeeper <gatekeeper.eastg...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Aug 20, 12:40 am, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
snip
Glenn
I found your discussion with Rogue above much more interesting, so if
I may try to get it back on track!
I agree with you Glenn that we will never get to Mars, with existing
technology. If microgravity did not leave an astronaut an invalid
after two years in space, the exposure to radiation would leave them
well done!
When we have great difficulty servicing the ISS only 300 miles up,
what makes us think that we could even begin to launch enough support
ships to service a colony several hundred thousands of miles distant?
I am not sure of the distances, I have read it took almost two years
to get the martian landers up there! If we launched one every month,
to resupply the colony, we would have 24 vehicles in space at any one
time, at least, and this is not counting them coming back!
So if every trip is a oneway trip, is there any chance we could even
manufacture them that fast? Besides train crews who we know we will
never see again? It is not like Columbus selecting a sailing crew to
man the Santa Maria! Even that trip only took a few months!
Technologically we are light-years further behind the technology
learning curve than Columbus was in 1492! He had thousands of years
of experience to call on when it came to sailing a ship, we have what
40 years!
Then if anything untoward happens, the whole mission would be scrubbed
with the loss of the whole project! To lose a robot is sad, to lose
the lives of all those involved in such a far reaching project, would
sour the souls of World investors, who have lost all of their
investments! Think how we react when 6 men get lost in a coalmine in
our own backyard!
Without major tech advances, it is all a pipe dream! But people love
pipe dreams! Maybe 2000 or 3000 years from now we will have the
required technology! Gk
JERRY
One thing to remember is that technological advances are continuing at
a breathtaking place, slowed only by lack of funding. We slowed
funding for such technology from the beginning of Nixon's term and
that has continued to not be a large priority. I can think of many
other uses for some of the same technology. Use of solar energy to
help provide minimal power in flight between heavenly bodies is one
such technology. Use of artificial gravity, better propulsion, better
medical, better health/sports technologies can be applied to medicine
and people suffering from muscle/bone disorders, etc.
We were an agrarian society for thousands of years. Beginning with
the industrial revolution, we have advanced further in a shorter
period of time than anyone could possibly have dreamed.
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| User: "Glenn" |
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| Title: Re: HOW IMPORTANT IS SPACE TRAVEL? |
21 Aug 2007 03:18:28 PM |
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rogue wrote:
On Aug 20, 11:42 am, gatekeeper <gatekeeper.eastg...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Aug 20, 12:40 am, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
snip
Glenn
I found your discussion with Rogue above much more interesting, so if
I may try to get it back on track!
I agree with you Glenn that we will never get to Mars, with existing
technology. If microgravity did not leave an astronaut an invalid
after two years in space, the exposure to radiation would leave them
well done!
When we have great difficulty servicing the ISS only 300 miles up,
what makes us think that we could even begin to launch enough support
ships to service a colony several hundred thousands of miles distant?
I am not sure of the distances, I have read it took almost two years
to get the martian landers up there! If we | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
