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How Jesus Changed The World |
How Christ Changed the World
The Social Principles of the Catholic Church
By: Msgr. Luigi Civardi
Shows how Christ has made the temporal life of this world
indescribably better through His teachings, His influence and His
Church. Compares life in the Ancient World with life today, showing
the glaring contrast. An enlightening eye-opener for all.
Christianity and the Family
Preliminary Notions
1. The Christian belongs to three distinct societies: domestic, civil,
and religious. These three societies are not opposed to one another,
but are mutually complementary, each one answering to particular needs
of man. They should, therefore, live in perfect harmony, helping one
another.
Domestic society, the family, takes precedence over the other
societies. In fact, it was instituted by God Himself, in the Garden of
Eden, when He proclaimed this law: "Wherefore a man shall leave father
and mother and shall cleave to his wife: and they shall be two in one
flesh." [Gen. 2: 24]. The family is, therefore, a natural society,
because it was founded by the Author of nature Himself. Moreover, it
is necessary by reason of its end, which is the generation and the
education of man.
2. The family has its root and its foundation in marriage. Marriage
actually creates, sustains and gives life to the institution of the
family, as the soul gives life to the body. Marriage is directed to
these essential ends: the propagation of life, and hence the
preservation of mankind [principal end]; mutual help between the
spouses and the quieting of concupiscence [secondary ends].
Marriage is endowed with these three essential prerogatives:
(a) Unity, by which one man is united to one woman [monogamy].
Therefore, polyandry [more than one man with one woman] and polygamy
[more than one woman with one man] are to be condemned.
(b) Indissolubility, by which the marriage contract is not temporary
but permanent. Therefore, divorce, which is an arbitrary dissolution
of the marriage contract, is to be condemned.
(c) Sanctity, which derives from the holy end of marriage, namely the
propagation of life. The spouses, by exercising their generative
functions, become co-operators with God, the Creator, Himself. These
sacred features which God Himself impressed upon the family and upon
marriage had become shamefully disfigured at the time of Christ, not
only among pagans but even among the Jews. Jesus Christ reformed and
restored the family, by redeeming marriage, woman and the child.
The Restoration of Marriage
At the time of Christ, marriage, among all nation had lost its
essential and original characteristics: unity, indissolubility and
sanctity. It had lost its unity because the husband could have more
than one wife; its indissolubility, because divorce was possible even
upon the most trifling grounds; its sanctity, because marriage was
considered a mere instrument of pleasure.
Divorce was so common among the Romans in latter times that the
philosopher Seneca remarked that man women "might have reckoned their
years, not from the number of consuls, but of husbands." [The consuls
were changed every year.] And St. Jerome, in one of his letters,
speaks of a woman who had buried her twenty-third husband. Polygamy
and divorce were obviously the ruin of the family. Even among the Jews
there was the so-called bill of divorce, by which a husband could put
away his wife for any reason whatever.
3. Jesus Christ elevated marriage by restoring its primitive unity,
indissolubility and sanctity. One day the Pharisees asked Him: "Is it
lawful for a man to put away his wife?" and Jesus answered: "Have you
not read that he who made man from the beginning, made them male and
female? and he said, 'For this cause shall a man shall leave father
and mother and shall cleave to his wife, and they shall be two in one
flesh?' Therefore, now, they are not two, but one flesh.' [Matt. 19:
4-5].
"WHAT THEREFORE GOD HATH JOINED TOGETHER, LET NO MAN PUT ASUNDER."
[Matt. 19: 6].
With these words, Jesus sanctions the unity of marriage. He says, in
fact, that man "shall cleave to his wife;" not to his wives; and that
they are no longer two, but one flesh—not three, four or more. Still
more clearly He sanctions indissolubility by stating that man "shall
cleave to his wife" and states that such a union is willed by God;
consequently, a man cannot break it; "let no man put asunder what God
hath joined together:" Jesus Christ, by that absolute statement, does
not allow divorce for any cause. He also restored to marriage its
sanctity; furthermore, He raised the marriage contract to the highest
degree of sanctity and of dignity by making it a Sacrament, and "a
great Sacrament," as St. Paul calls it, comparing the union of husband
and wife to the union of Christ with the Church, His spouse. [Eph.
5:22-23].
The Church, like its Divine Founder, has always recognized, both in
words and in fact, the capital importance of marriage, surrounding it
with many laws and safeguards, in order to protect its natural
prerogatives. The Marquis Francesco Pacelli—who played such an
important part in the negotiations for reconciliation between the
Church and Italy—said in his discourse at the Social Week of Rome
[September, 1929]: "The question of marriage was a most delicate one.
At the very outset of the negotiations, Pope Pius XI told me that for
him marriage was one of the most important points, and that the State
had to acknowledge the civil effects of the sacrament of marriage
contracted according to the laws of the Church." When this concession
was obtained, the Pope himself had occasion to write that this "is
such a great benefit that for it I would have sacrificed life itself."
[Letter to Cardinal Pietro Gasparri, Secretary of State, June 30,
1929.]
The Church, throughout the centuries, has suffered strife,
persecutions and injuries of every sort, in order to preserve the
essential characteristics of marriage as established by Christ. Henry
VIII, King of England, desired to divorce Catherine of Aragon and put
Anne Boleyn on the throne. To Pope Clement VII, who protested it, he
cried out: "Either the divorce or schism!" But the Pope permitted the
schism of a whole nation in order to preserve the sanctity of
marriage.
Such was the conduct of the Church in defense of Christian marriage in
similar cases throughout nineteen centuries. It considered marriage
sacred and inviolable and the foundation of human society and
civilization.
The Elevation of Woman
1. Polygamy and divorce enable us to understand clearly what position
a woman held in pagan families at the time of Christ: a servant, a
tool of man—a plaything of his passions. Even by the learned, a woman
was looked upon as a being inferior to man. Plato wrote that: "The
souls of the wicked will be punished in their second generation in the
body of a woman, and in the third, in that of a beast."
Ordinarily, the consent of a young woman was not required in marriage.
Her father gave her to whom he wished, or whomever paid most for her.
Among some peoples, there were also laws that gave the husband
absolute power over his wife: he could punish her at will, sell her as
a slave or even put her to death.
2. The Divine Redeemer raised woman from this state of degradation by
restoring her primitive dignity as a companion of man, like unto
himself God, in fact, in creating the first woman, pronounced these
precise words:
"Let us make him a help like unto himself:" [Gen. 2: 18] Like, not
inferior: This elevation of woman was brought about in various ways:
(a) Jesus elevated her first of all by being born of a woman. St. Paul
writes: "God sent his Son, made of a woman." [Gal. 4:4] A woman made
kindred to the Divinity in the most intimate manner! What an
exaltation of the feminine sex! The Roman liturgy sings this
magnificent praise to the Virgin:
"Thou before astonished nature didst beget thy Holy Maker:" Dante in
his Divine Comedy re-echoed the same theme: "Thou art she who didst
human nature so ennoble that its own Maker scorned not to become its
making:' [Par: 33: 2-6] The same poet was able to describe this
singular woman: "Lowly and exalted more than any other creature:"
All human nature was ennobled by Mary; but especially feminine nature,
because she was proclaimed "blessed among women." Who would still dare
to say, after that exaltation of Mary, that woman is a being inferior
to man?
(b) Jesus elevated woman by restoring the unity, indissolubility and
sanctity of marriage, thus making her the queen of the home and
enshrining her natural gifts, as it were, in an inviolable temple. And
yet St. Paul says: "Let women be subject to their husbands, as to the
Lord; because the husband is head of the wife, as Christ is the head
of the Church." [Eph. 5: 22-23]. But this happens only because of the
need of authority and order in the family, which calls for unity of
command. In fact, though subject to him, woman is always man's
companion, not his servant. The Apostle, in fact, continues:
"Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and
delivered himself up for it . . . Let everyone of you in particular
love his wife as himself." [Eph. 5: 25, 33].
The power of the husband, therefore, has well-defined limits: he is
the head of the wife, but for her welfare. He could not have a loftier
Exemplar: Jesus Christ, who delivered Himself up for His beloved
spouse, the Church.
On this point, Pius XI, in his Encyclical Casti Connubii, on Christian
Marriage, writes:
This subjection, however, does not deny or take away the liberty which
fully belongs to the woman both in view of her dignity as a human
person, and in view of her most noble office as wife and mother and
companion; nor does it bid her obey her husband's every request if not
in harmony with right reason or with the dignity due; nor, in fine,
does it imply that the wife should be put on a level with those
persons who in the law are called minors, to whom it is not customary
to allow free exercise of their rights on account of their lack of
mature judgment, or of their ignorance of human affairs." But it
forbids that exaggerated liberty which cares not for the good of the
family; it forbids that in this body, which is the family, the heart
be separated from the head to the great detriment of the whole body
and the proximate danger of ruin. For if the man is the head, the
woman is the heart, and as he occupies the chief place in ruling, so
she may and ought to claim for herself the chief place in love.
(c) Jesus rehabilitated woman by making her substantially equal to
man: equal with regard to the end [Heaven], the laws, the means of
salvation, etc. In this connection St. Paul writes: "There is neither
Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male
nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus:" [Gal. 3: 28].
Neither does the Church make any distinction between man and woman in
the distribution of graces through the Sacraments, in the rites of
beatification and canonization, in the cult of the saints, etc.
How do the worldly minded look upon woman today? As in the pagan era:
a creature destined to satisfy the lusts of man. In conversation, in
romances, in novels, in illustrated reviews, on the stage, on the
screen, woman is appreciated only on account of her exterior
endowments, for her ability to gratify the less noble instincts of
man; a female not a woman, nor a lady. Indeed, except for the light of
Christianity, woman is destined to lose her noble prerogatives, to
abase herself and to become inferior to man, forced to serve him.
3. Man has specific duties toward woman:
(a) Not to do anything to offend the virtue of the honor of woman;
nothing that we would not want done to our mother, our wife, or
sister.
(b) To have a high regard for woman," not to look upon her as the
pagans did; that is, as an inferior being, a plaything of man.
(c) To defend the virtue and the honor of woman," to uphold her in her
weakness, to guide her, to correct her when necessary, so that she may
not step down from her lofty station.
Medieval chivalry, inspired by Christianity, had among its precepts:
"You will respect all weaknesses and you will constitute yourself a
defender of them." We know that among the weaknesses to be respected
and defended, woman held a prominent place. In this sense, every
Christian must also be a perfect knight; for his program calls for the
respect and the defense of woman.
The Redemption of the Child
1. Outside the light of Christianity, the weak are destined to be
neglected, if not despised and trampled upon. This explains the lot
not only of woman, but also of the child.
In the pagan family, just as the husband had absolute power over his
wife, so had the father absolute power over his children; he could
punish them at will, abuse them, sell them as slaves, or even put them
to death. The famous apologist Tertullian, in the second century,
wrote against the persecutors of Christians as follows: "Amongst so
many men who thirst for the blood of Christians, how many are there
that have not put to death one or more of their children; that have
not caused them to die of cold or of hunger or exposed them as prey to
dogs?"
In Rome, at the height of its civilization, the child, as soon as he
was born, was placed on the ground at the feet of his father; if the
latter took him up into his arms, that meant that he acknowledged him
as his own and consented to support him; on the other hand, if he left
him on the ground, that meant that he rejected him and accordingly he
was left exposed on the public streets and no one bothered with him
anymore. Thus abandoned, the poor, unfortunate creature could
encounter no other fate but to perish of hunger or of cold, or to be
devoured by dogs. At times, however, a still more tragic lot awaited
him, for there were concessionaires of beggary who had the right to
take possession of the abandoned child and mutilate it, in order to
exploit it later on by putting it out to beg alms from the public. [So
writes L. Garriguet in his book on the social value of the Gospel.]
And does not the same thing happen today in some pagan countries?
2. Jesus has also lifted up this frailest of beings, the child, and He
has done so in many ways:
(a) First of all, by becoming a child Himself, obedient to Joseph and
Mary: "He was subject to them." [Lk. 2: 51]. "How can a Christian
today fail to surround with regard and kindness this frail creature,
if the Son of God Himself wished to put on such frailty? For the same
reason, in the Christian family, the children are not considered heavy
burdens, but sweet pledges of love." [Pius XII in the Encyclical
Sertum Laetitiae].
(b) Jesus showed His predilection for children; He caressed them,
blessed them, praised them, nay, more, He identified Himself with them
by saying: "And he that shall receive one such little child in my
name, receiveth me:" [Matt. 18: 5]. "And they brought to him young
children, that he might touch them. And the disciples rebuked them
that brought them. Whom when Jesus saw, he was much displeased, and
saith to them: Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid
them not; for such is the kingdom of God. Amen I say to you, whosoever
shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, shall not
enter into it. And embracing them, and laying his hands upon them, he
blessed them:" [Mk. 10: 13-16]. No wonder, therefore, that the Church,
heir to the spirit of Christ, has woven a marvelous net of educational
and protective institutions for the benefit of childhood.
(c) St. Paul, after having exhorted children to obey their parents,
adds: "And you, fathers, provoke not your children to anger, but bring
them up in the discipline and correction of the Lord:" [Eph. 6: 4].
If the dignity of the child is so lofty, his education is the noblest
of all arts and a most worthy action. Some people ask, as if
scandalized: "Why did Jesus Christ keep Himself in the seclusion of
His home in Nazareth until He was thirty years old? Could He not have
spent this time to better advantage?"
We have just learned some of the wise motives for such seclusion: The
restoration of the family through the redemption of marriage, of
woman, and of children. Should not this be enough to account for and
to make us appreciate the long retreat of Nazareth?
We should be grateful to the Divine Redeemer because, by the sacrifice
of His hidden life, He chose to bring so many blessings to family life
and, indirectly, to social life as well, since the family is truly the
cell of society.
ABOUT THE AUTHOR
In the sphere of Catholic Action Monsignor Civardi stands out as
exemplary because no one, it is safe to say, has done more to make
known the mind of Holy Mother Church on this all-important subject, to
edify and inspire the faithful, in order to spur them to action than
Msgr. Civardi.
Fr. Civardi was ordained to the priesthood on April 17, 1911 in Pavia,
Italy; two years later he was awarded the degree of Doctor of
Philosophy from the Academy of St. Thomas in Rome. His first
appointment was as Diocesan Assistant to Young Men's Catholic Action
groups in Pavia. At the same he taught theology in the Diocesan
Seminary. In 1924 he published his famous Manual of Catholic Action in
two volumes, the first dealing with theory and the second with
practice. This work has since gone through twelve editions and has
been translated in sixteen languages. No book has contributed more to
the spread of Catholic Action throughout the world.
The following year he was called to Rome by Pope Pius XI, the Pope of
Catholic Action, who appointed him Ecclesiastical Assistant for the
Central Office of Italian-Catholic Action. As head of the Catholic
Action press he published the Official Monthly Bulletin and from 1931
to 1947 he was also editor and publisher of a monthly Catholic Action
review known as The Ecclesiastical Assistant. In 1934 The Catholic
Motion Picture Center was founded in Rome; it corresponded to the
Legion of Decent in America and Msgr. Civardi was appointed its first
Director. While in charge of this office he published two works,
Motion Pictures and Catholics and Motion Pictures and Morals. In 1944
he became the National Spiritual Director of the "Association of
Italian Christian Workers," which office he held until 1955. In
recognition of his valuable services Pope Pius XII named him Director
Emeritus of the "Associations of Italian Christian Workers" in 1955
and appointed him a Canon of the Vatican Chapter.
Fr. Civardi has written some thirty books, most of them on social
questions. Next to social encyclicals and pronouncements of the
Pontiffs, it would be hard to find a sounder, more authoritative or
more succinct statement of the Catholic position on social questions
than is to be found in this work of Msgr. Civardi.
http://www.tanbooks.com/doct/changed_world.htm
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10 Dec 2004 08:34:39 PM |
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(Words of Truth) wrote in
news:3d02dea6.0412101805.2cc46f1b@posting.google.com:
How Christ Changed the World
You mean how the Christ myth changed the world. Try to be honest.
The Social Principles of the Catholic Church
Just like the social principles of all other political organizations --
self interest.
(snip remainder of religious blather)
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Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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13 Dec 2004 09:16:37 AM |
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I'm reminded of an episode of "Star Trek: The Next Generation" where a
conniving alien steps in to the role of Ardra, the legendary savior of the
planet Ventax II. ("Devil's Due", season 4.) There was a trial to
determine if this woman was, in fact, Ardra, with Data as the judge and
Picard as "devil's advocate."
Jesus = Earth's Ardra. And he's not even as good; a thousand years after
Ardra, Ventax was a planet of peace, justice and civility. Two thousand
years after Jesus, Earth hasn't changed one bit for the better.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in
the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary,
self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition
of tyranny." - James Madison, _The Federalist_, #47
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| User: "Rob Duncan" |
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13 Dec 2004 08:22:10 PM |
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"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote
Two thousand
years after Jesus, Earth hasn't changed one bit for the better.
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Gregory Gadow
Whether you believe in his existence or not, youve shown yourself to be a
complete idiot.
Rob
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| User: "Bruce Sinclair" |
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13 Dec 2004 09:34:49 PM |
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In article <5IadnerVOtfI0yPcRVn-2A@gbronline.com>, "Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote
Two thousand
years after Jesus, Earth hasn't changed one bit for the better.
--
Gregory Gadow
Whether you believe in his existence or not, youve shown yourself to be a
complete idiot.
In what way ?
Bruce
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dying of nothing.
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| User: "Rob Duncan" |
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15 Dec 2004 01:05:48 AM |
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"Bruce Sinclair" <bruce.sinclair@NOSPAMagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz> wrote in
message news:djsvd.27570$9A.508136@news.xtra.co.nz...
In article <5IadnerVOtfI0yPcRVn-2A@gbronline.com>, "Rob Duncan"
<robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote
Two thousand
years after Jesus, Earth hasn't changed one bit for the better.
--
Gregory Gadow
Whether you believe in his existence or not, youve shown yourself to be a
complete idiot.
In what way ?
As in, he couldnt possibly get any stupider unless he manages to crush his
skull with the vice he obviously has his head in now.
Rob
("in two-thousand years... the earth hasnt changed 'one bit' for the
better?") Oh really now...?
Bruce
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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14 Dec 2004 07:43:18 PM |
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Rob Duncan wrote:
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote
Two thousand
years after Jesus, Earth hasn't changed one bit for the better.
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Gregory Gadow
Whether you believe in his existence or not, youve shown yourself to be a
complete idiot.
Rob
You obviously know little about the history of Christianity.
--
Apes bad! Dust good!
Apes bad! Dust good!
21st Century American Christianity
in a nutshell.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Rob Duncan" |
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15 Dec 2004 01:07:07 AM |
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"wbarwell" <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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Rob Duncan wrote:
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote
Two thousand
years after Jesus, Earth hasn't changed one bit for the better.
--
Gregory Gadow
Whether you believe in his existence or not, youve shown yourself to be a
complete idiot.
Rob
You obviously know little about the history of Christianity.
Youre obviously an idiot. The earth hasnt changed 'one bit' for the better?
Not even 'one bit'?
Rob
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15 Dec 2004 05:34:36 AM |
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In article <RNednbFf0c0DfyLcRVn-jw@gbronline.com>, "Rob Duncan"
<robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
"wbarwell" <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:cpo7qi$lo@library1.airnews.net...
Rob Duncan wrote:
"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote
Two thousand
years after Jesus, Earth hasn't changed one bit for the better.
--
Gregory Gadow
Whether you believe in his existence or not, youve shown yourself to be a
complete idiot.
Rob
You obviously know little about the history of Christianity.
Youre obviously an idiot. The earth hasnt changed 'one bit' for the better?
Not even 'one bit'?
** Things have been going steadily downhill since the Roman church
stupidly stopped burning witches and heretics.
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| User: "Bobi" |
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11 Dec 2004 08:23:32 AM |
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On 10 Dec 2004 18:05:19 -0800, (Words of
Truth) wrote:
Shows how Christ has made the temporal life of this world
indescribably better through His teachings,
Wouldn't Jesus have had to , oh I don't know....EXIST first?
Happy Hanukkah/Merry Ramadan --
Bonnie *****
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10 Dec 2004 08:27:11 PM |
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Turds of Wrath wrote:
How Christ Changed the World
The Social Principles of the Catholic Church
By: Msgr. Luigi Civardi
Shows how Christ has made the temporal life of this world
indescribably better through His teachings, His influence and His
Church.
!
Incas - exterminated
Aztecs - exterminated
Medieval Islam - destroyed
Byzantuim - sacked
Inquisition - tortured millions
Copernicus - proved that the Christian god does not exist.
Galileo - singlehandedly destroyed the supremacy of the Catholic church
over intellectual life in europe. Freeing civilisation up to make rapid
and profound advances in both it's understanding of fundamental truths
and its way of achieving progress.
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| User: "•R.L.Measures" |
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11 Dec 2004 04:14:16 AM |
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In article <hfOdnf6q0Mk4xyfcRVnyiw@brightview.com>, The Terminologist
<bull@chinanet.cn> wrote:
Turds of Wrath wrote:
How Christ Changed the World
The Social Principles of the Catholic Church
By: Msgr. Luigi Civardi
Shows how Christ has made the temporal life of this world
indescribably better through His teachings, His influence and His
Church.
!
Incas - exterminated
** He hasn't been to Peru?
Aztecs - exterminated
** He hasn't been to Mexico?
Medieval Islam - destroyed
Byzantuim - sacked
Inquisition - tortured millions
Copernicus - proved that the Christian god does not exist.
...
** Copernicus proved that the Roman church got it wrong and that the
church hated like hell to be proved so scientifically. /// note --
Copernicus' book was not removed from the Index until late in the 19th
century.
- "I know that most men, including those who are at ease with problems of
the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of
conclusions which they had delighted in explaining to colleagues, which
they had proudly taught to others, and which they had woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives."
- L. Tolstoy
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| User: "Bruce Sinclair" |
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12 Dec 2004 06:00:34 PM |
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In article <hfOdnf6q0Mk4xyfcRVnyiw@brightview.com>, The Terminologist <bull@chinanet.cn> wrote:
Turds of Wrath wrote:
How Christ Changed the World
The Social Principles of the Catholic Church
By: Msgr. Luigi Civardi
Shows how Christ has made the temporal life of this world
indescribably better through His teachings, His influence and His
Church.
!
Incas - exterminated
Aztecs - exterminated
Medieval Islam - destroyed
Byzantuim - sacked
Inquisition - tortured millions
Copernicus - proved that the Christian god does not exist.
Galileo - singlehandedly destroyed the supremacy of the Catholic church
over intellectual life in europe. Freeing civilisation up to make rapid
and profound advances in both it's understanding of fundamental truths
and its way of achieving progress.
Check out randy newman's song "great nations of europe" for another few more
:)
Bruce
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12 Dec 2004 07:02:06 PM |
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The Terminologist wrote:
Turds of Wrath wrote:
How Christ Changed the World
The Social Principles of the Catholic Church
By: Msgr. Luigi Civardi
Shows how Christ has made the temporal life of this world
indescribably better through His teachings, His influence and His
Church.
!
Incas - exterminated
Aztecs - exterminated
Medieval Islam - destroyed
Byzantuim - sacked
Inquisition - tortured millions
Copernicus - proved that the Christian god does not exist.
Don't forget priests raping children and the church blaming the
victim/covering up the crime/moving witnesses out of jurisdiction.
jwk
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| User: "Rob Duncan" |
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13 Dec 2004 01:32:48 AM |
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"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1102897499.130977.99590@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The Terminologist wrote:
Turds of Wrath wrote:
How Christ Changed the World
The Social Principles of the Catholic Church
By: Msgr. Luigi Civardi
Shows how Christ has made the temporal life of this world
indescribably better through His teachings, His influence and His
Church.
!
Incas - exterminated
Aztecs - exterminated
Medieval Islam - destroyed
Byzantuim - sacked
Inquisition - tortured millions
Copernicus - proved that the Christian god does not exist.
Don't forget priests raping children and the church blaming the
victim/covering up the crime/moving witnesses out of jurisdiction.
jwk
Just because ***** pedophiles infiltrated the Catholic Church doesnt
invalidate Christianities teachings.
Now does it?
Rob
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13 Dec 2004 05:47:22 AM |
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In article <4uKdnfAVTco-2CDcRVn-sA@gbronline.com>, "Rob Duncan"
<robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1102897499.130977.99590@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The Terminologist wrote:
Turds of Wrath wrote:
How Christ Changed the World
The Social Principles of the Catholic Church
By: Msgr. Luigi Civardi
Shows how Christ has made the temporal life of this world
indescribably better through His teachings, His influence and His
Church.
!
Incas - exterminated
Aztecs - exterminated
Medieval Islam - destroyed
Byzantuim - sacked
Inquisition - tortured millions
Copernicus - proved that the Christian god does not exist.
Don't forget priests raping children and the church blaming the
victim/covering up the crime/moving witnesses out of jurisdiction.
jwk
Just because ***** pedophiles infiltrated the Catholic Church doesnt
invalidate Christianities teachings.
Now does it?
** The problem is that in the future, RC parents will be reluctant to
trust priests with their boys. Perhaps a workaround is to assign girls to
non-hetero priests and boys to hetero priests?
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15 Dec 2004 01:03:13 AM |
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"Jack" <not@home.net> wrote in message
news:gOidncbQDdt35SLcRVn-qw@tbaytel.net...
".R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r_-1312040347220001@192.168.1.100...
In article <4uKdnfAVTco-2CDcRVn-sA@gbronline.com>, "Rob Duncan"
<robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1102897499.130977.99590@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The Terminologist wrote:
Turds of Wrath wrote:
How Christ Changed the World
The Social Principles of the Catholic Church
By: Msgr. Luigi Civardi
Shows how Christ has made the temporal life of this world
indescribably better through His teachings, His influence and His
Church.
!
Incas - exterminated
Aztecs - exterminated
Medieval Islam - destroyed
Byzantuim - sacked
Inquisition - tortured millions
Copernicus - proved that the Christian god does not exist.
Don't forget priests raping children and the church blaming the
victim/covering up the crime/moving witnesses out of jurisdiction.
jwk
Just because ***** pedophiles infiltrated the Catholic Church doesnt
invalidate Christianities teachings.
Now does it?
** The problem is that in the future, RC parents will be reluctant to
trust priests with their boys. Perhaps a workaround is to assign girls
to
non-hetero priests and boys to hetero priests?
Maybe someday, we will respect and honor our sexuality and not bury it
only to force it to resurface in harmfull ways. The whole self denial
thing is simply ancient stupidity. But then again maybe I haven't been
inspired by god.
Jack
Oh, now youre blaming the behavior of ***** pedophiles on the Catholic
churches policy of sexual chastity? And how, would chastity, invoke *****
pedophiles to arrise out of normal men?
If anything, they would be going after highly impresionable, ripe, 18yr old
girls. The default setting for sexual fullfillment, when faced with
abstinence, is masturbation. Not little boys dicks. "Men," arent attracted
to little boys dicks, ***** pedophiles are.
Rob
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16 Dec 2004 06:17:43 PM |
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"Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote in message
news:UaqdneuKMKspfCLcRVn-iw@gbronline.com...
"Jack" <not@home.net> wrote in message
news:gOidncbQDdt35SLcRVn-qw@tbaytel.net...
".R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r_-1312040347220001@192.168.1.100...
In article <4uKdnfAVTco-2CDcRVn-sA@gbronline.com>, "Rob Duncan"
<robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1102897499.130977.99590@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The Terminologist wrote:
Turds of Wrath wrote:
How Christ Changed the World
The Social Principles of the Catholic Church
By: Msgr. Luigi Civardi
Shows how Christ has made the temporal life of this world
indescribably better through His teachings, His influence and His
Church.
!
Incas - exterminated
Aztecs - exterminated
Medieval Islam - destroyed
Byzantuim - sacked
Inquisition - tortured millions
Copernicus - proved that the Christian god does not exist.
Don't forget priests raping children and the church blaming the
victim/covering up the crime/moving witnesses out of jurisdiction.
jwk
Just because ***** pedophiles infiltrated the Catholic Church doesnt
invalidate Christianities teachings.
Now does it?
** The problem is that in the future, RC parents will be reluctant to
trust priests with their boys. Perhaps a workaround is to assign girls
to
non-hetero priests and boys to hetero priests?
Maybe someday, we will respect and honor our sexuality and not bury it
only to force it to resurface in harmfull ways. The whole self denial
thing is simply ancient stupidity. But then again maybe I haven't been
inspired by god.
Jack
Oh, now youre blaming the behavior of ***** pedophiles on the Catholic
churches policy of sexual chastity? And how, would chastity, invoke
***** pedophiles to arrise out of normal men?
the church's celebacy rule is without wisdom. It is life denying. Society
has a thing for homos, they are persecuted. But they can find refuge in the
Catholic church as a sanctuary and still be themselvesa and be respected.
Thats a good deal for most of the 45% homo catholic priests.
If anything, they would be going after highly impresionable, ripe, 18yr
old girls. The default setting for sexual fullfillment, when faced with
abstinence, is masturbation.
If you are a homosexual, the default sexual fulfillment is the nearest
alterboy. The church provides safe access to vulnerable victims. Secondly,
it is a fact that most priests are socialy and sexually immature and have
not developed true adult sexual maturity in their behaviour. Those studies
come from the Catholic church.
Not little boys dicks. "Men," arent attracted to little boys dicks, *****
pedophiles are.
Sure thing
Jack
Rob
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15 Dec 2004 05:20:01 AM |
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In article <gOidncbQDdt35SLcRVn-qw@tbaytel.net>, "Jack" <not@home.net> wrote:
".R.L.Measures" <r_@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r_-1312040347220001@192.168.1.100...
In article <4uKdnfAVTco-2CDcRVn-sA@gbronline.com>, "Rob Duncan"
<robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1102897499.130977.99590@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The Terminologist wrote:
Turds of Wrath wrote:
How Christ Changed the World
The Social Principles of the Catholic Church
By: Msgr. Luigi Civardi
Shows how Christ has made the temporal life of this world
indescribably better through His teachings, His influence and His
Church.
!
Incas - exterminated
Aztecs - exterminated
Medieval Islam - destroyed
Byzantuim - sacked
Inquisition - tortured millions
Copernicus - proved that the Christian god does not exist.
Don't forget priests raping children and the church blaming the
victim/covering up the crime/moving witnesses out of jurisdiction.
jwk
Just because ***** pedophiles infiltrated the Catholic Church doesnt
invalidate Christianities teachings.
Now does it?
** The problem is that in the future, RC parents will be reluctant to
trust priests with their boys. Perhaps a workaround is to assign girls to
non-hetero priests and boys to hetero priests?
Maybe someday, we will respect and honor our sexuality and not bury it only
to force it to resurface in harmfull ways. The whole self denial thing is
simply ancient stupidity. But then again maybe I haven't been inspired by
god.
** God is the key.
- "The sex drive itself gave organized religion an opportunity to amass
what was indisputably the greatest power ever lodged in human hands"
- Rabbi Abraham Feinberg
Jack
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13 Dec 2004 07:58:38 AM |
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:47:22 GMT, (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
In article <4uKdnfAVTco-2CDcRVn-sA@gbronline.com>, "Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1102897499.130977.99590@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The Terminologist wrote:
Turds of Wrath wrote:
How Christ Changed the World
The Social Principles of the Catholic Church
By: Msgr. Luigi Civardi
Shows how Christ has made the temporal life of this world
indescribably better through His teachings, His influence and His Church.
!
Incas - exterminated
Aztecs - exterminated
Medieval Islam - destroyed
Byzantuim - sacked
Inquisition - tortured millions
Copernicus - proved that the Christian god does not exist.
Don't forget priests raping children and the church blaming the
victim/covering up the crime/moving witnesses out of jurisdiction.
Just because ***** pedophiles infiltrated the Catholic Church doesnt
invalidate Christianities teachings.
Now does it?
** The problem is that in the future, RC parents will be reluctant to
trust priests with their boys. Perhaps a workaround is to assign girls to
non-hetero priests and boys to hetero priests?
No, it wouldn't work that way. The pedophile attacks children,
and homosexuality isn't the problem there.
"I picked the boys because in some way they were the safest, the
girls and the mothers would have been more dangerous."
http://crimemagazine.com/03/geoghan,1201.htm
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13 Dec 2004 10:29:12 AM |
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In article <7e5rr058drgl79t78j0uv29i3nde04bhsg@4ax.com>, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:47:22 GMT, (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
In article <4uKdnfAVTco-2CDcRVn-sA@gbronline.com>, "Rob Duncan"
<robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1102897499.130977.99590@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The Terminologist wrote:
Turds of Wrath wrote:
How Christ Changed the World
The Social Principles of the Catholic Church
By: Msgr. Luigi Civardi
Shows how Christ has made the temporal life of this world
indescribably better through His teachings, His influence and His
Church.
!
Incas - exterminated
Aztecs - exterminated
Medieval Islam - destroyed
Byzantuim - sacked
Inquisition - tortured millions
Copernicus - proved that the Christian god does not exist.
Don't forget priests raping children and the church blaming the
victim/covering up the crime/moving witnesses out of jurisdiction.
Just because ***** pedophiles infiltrated the Catholic Church doesnt
invalidate Christianities teachings.
Now does it?
** The problem is that in the future, RC parents will be reluctant to
trust priests with their boys. Perhaps a workaround is to assign girls to
non-hetero priests and boys to hetero priests?
No, it wouldn't work that way. The pedophile attacks children,
and homosexuality isn't the problem there.
** Heterosexual male pedophiles attack boys? Homosexual male pedophiles
attack girls?
"I picked the boys because in some way they were the safest, the
girls and the mothers would have been more dangerous."
http://crimemagazine.com/03/geoghan,1201.htm
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13 Dec 2004 01:13:59 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:29:12 GMT, (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
In article <7e5rr058drgl79t78j0uv29i3nde04bhsg@4ax.com>, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:47:22 GMT, (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
In article <4uKdnfAVTco-2CDcRVn-sA@gbronline.com>, "Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1102897499.130977.99590@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The Terminologist wrote:
Turds of Wrath wrote:
How Christ Changed the World
The Social Principles of the Catholic Church
By: Msgr. Luigi Civardi
Shows how Christ has made the temporal life of this world
indescribably better through His teachings, His influence and His Church.
!
Incas - exterminated
Aztecs - exterminated
Medieval Islam - destroyed
Byzantuim - sacked
Inquisition - tortured millions
Copernicus - proved that the Christian god does not exist.
Don't forget priests raping children and the church blaming the
victim/covering up the crime/moving witnesses out of jurisdiction.
Just because ***** pedophiles infiltrated the Catholic Church doesnt
invalidate Christianities teachings.
Now does it?
** The problem is that in the future, RC parents will be reluctant to
trust priests with their boys. Perhaps a workaround is to assign girls to
non-hetero priests and boys to hetero priests?
No, it wouldn't work that way. The pedophile attacks children,
and homosexuality isn't the problem there.
... Heterosexual male pedophiles attack boys? Homosexual male pedophiles
attack girls?
Apparently you had difficulty reading the link provided to you,
even though the quote shown you previously would be quite
self-explanatory upon having been read for comprehension.
Pedophilia is an attack on children - who do not yet exhibit any
adult sexual characteristics - and is not equivalent to homosexuality
or heterosexuality.
"I picked the boys because in some way they were the safest, the
girls and the mothers would have been more dangerous."
http://crimemagazine.com/03/geoghan,1201.htm
While the significance of the above statement has eluded you, which
indicates that you aren't up to the level of discourse involved in the
scientific consideration of the problem, there's more on the topic
for those who don't share that limitation.
"The distinction between gender of victim and sexual orientation
of perpetrator is important because many child molesters don't
really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed
the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either
men or women."
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
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13 Dec 2004 02:59:40 PM |
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In article <71qrr0ps8d8v5cko1n2apfm6cf7lemhqra@4ax.com>, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:29:12 GMT, (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
In article <7e5rr058drgl79t78j0uv29i3nde04bhsg@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:47:22 GMT, (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
In article <4uKdnfAVTco-2CDcRVn-sA@gbronline.com>, "Rob Duncan"
<robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1102897499.130977.99590@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The Terminologist wrote:
Turds of Wrath wrote:
How Christ Changed the World
The Social Principles of the Catholic Church
By: Msgr. Luigi Civardi
Shows how Christ has made the temporal life of this world
indescribably better through His teachings, His influence and
His Church.
!
Incas - exterminated
Aztecs - exterminated
Medieval Islam - destroyed
Byzantuim - sacked
Inquisition - tortured millions
Copernicus - proved that the Christian god does not exist.
Don't forget priests raping children and the church blaming the
victim/covering up the crime/moving witnesses out of jurisdiction.
Just because ***** pedophiles infiltrated the Catholic Church doesnt
invalidate Christianities teachings.
Now does it?
** The problem is that in the future, RC parents will be reluctant to
trust priests with their boys. Perhaps a workaround is to assign girls to
non-hetero priests and boys to hetero priests?
No, it wouldn't work that way. The pedophile attacks children,
and homosexuality isn't the problem there.
... Heterosexual male pedophiles attack boys? Homosexual male pedophiles
attack girls?
Apparently you had difficulty reading the link provided to you,
** I am here to read what people on this forum write.
even though the quote shown you previously would be quite
self-explanatory upon having been read for comprehension.
Pedophilia is an attack on children - who do not yet exhibit any
adult sexual characteristics - and is not equivalent to homosexuality
or heterosexuality.
** I used to babysit a potter friend's four-yr old daughter after
preschool let out. One of her favorite topics was which boys were hot in
her preschool class.
"I picked the boys because in some way they were the safest, the
girls and the mothers would have been more dangerous."
http://crimemagazine.com/03/geoghan,1201.htm
While the significance of the above statement has eluded you, which
indicates that you aren't up to the level of discourse involved in the
scientific consideration of the problem, there's more on the topic
for those who don't share that limitation.
** Geoghan was a bisexual, like Fr. James A. Porter. OTOH, Fr. Gilbert
Gauthe, Jr. and Fr. Paul Shanley only buggered boys.
"The distinction between gender of victim and sexual orientation
of perpetrator is important because many child molesters don't
really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed
the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either
men or women."
** good point
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
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13 Dec 2004 05:08:54 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:59:40 GMT, (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
I am here to read what people on this forum write.
I wrote that you should read links provided, as they're there for a reason.
I used to babysit a potter friend's four-yr old daughter after
preschool let out. One of her favorite topics was which boys were hot in
her preschool class.
So what? It's no surprise that you can't guide a discussion with a child appropriately.
Geoghan was a bisexual, like Fr. James A. Porter. OTOH, Fr. Gilbert
Gauthe, Jr. and Fr. Paul Shanley only buggered boys.
Not really. Read the links I've provided for you. The term does not apply to them.
They were subject to the same augmented defensiveness on behalf of female children.
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:29:12 GMT, (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
In article <7e5rr058drgl79t78j0uv29i3nde04bhsg@4ax.com>, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:47:22 GMT, (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
In article <4uKdnfAVTco-2CDcRVn-sA@gbronline.com>, "Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1102897499.130977.99590@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The Terminologist wrote:
Turds of Wrath wrote:
How Christ Changed the World
The Social Principles of the Catholic Church
By: Msgr. Luigi Civardi
Shows how Christ has made the temporal life of this world
indescribably better through His teachings, His influence and His Church.
!
Incas - exterminated
Aztecs - exterminated
Medieval Islam - destroyed
Byzantuim - sacked
Inquisition - tortured millions
Copernicus - proved that the Christian god does not exist.
Don't forget priests raping children and the church blaming the
victim/covering up the crime/moving witnesses out of jurisdiction.
Just because ***** pedophiles infiltrated the Catholic Church doesnt
invalidate Christianities teachings.
Now does it?
** The problem is that in the future, RC parents will be reluctant to
trust priests with their boys. Perhaps a workaround is to assign girls to
non-hetero priests and boys to hetero priests?
No, it wouldn't work that way. The pedophile attacks children,
and homosexuality isn't the problem there.
... Heterosexual male pedophiles attack boys? Homosexual male pedophiles
attack girls?
Apparently you had difficulty reading the link provided to you,
even though the quote shown you previously would be quite
self-explanatory upon having been read for comprehension.
Pedophilia is an attack on children - who do not yet exhibit any
adult sexual characteristics - and is not equivalent to homosexuality
or heterosexuality.
"I picked the boys because in some way they were the safest, the
girls and the mothers would have been more dangerous."
http://crimemagazine.com/03/geoghan,1201.htm
While the significance of the above statement has eluded you, which
indicates that you aren't up to the level of discourse involved in the
scientific consideration of the problem, there's more on the topic
for those who don't share that limitation.
"The distinction between gender of victim and sexual orientation
of perpetrator is important because many child molesters don't
really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed
the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either
men or women."
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
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13 Dec 2004 08:46:37 PM |
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In article <m08sr01vuco58h7fcjlh3ea1kibnvn9ad4@4ax.com>, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:59:40 GMT, (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
I am here to read what people on this forum write.
I wrote that you should read links provided, as they're there for a reason.
I used to babysit a potter friend's four-yr old daughter after
preschool let out. One of her favorite topics was which boys were hot in
her preschool class.
So what? It's no surprise that you can't guide a discussion with a child
appropriately.
• Some people try to control a conversation, others try to listen, learn
and comment.
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14 Dec 2004 05:50:15 AM |
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:46:37 GMT, (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
...Some people try to control a conversation, others try to listen, learn
and comment.
So what? Had you been paying attention, you'd know that's not
the subject being discussed. You've been offered information
about why it's not accurate to associate pedophilia with either
homosexuality or heterosexuality. Learn from it if you can.
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:59:40 GMT, (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
I am here to read what people on this forum write.
I wrote that you should read links provided, as they're there for a reason.
I used to babysit a potter friend's four-yr old daughter after
preschool let out. One of her favorite topics was which boys were hot in
her preschool class.
So what? It's no surprise that you can't guide a discussion with a child appropriately.
Geoghan was a bisexual, like Fr. James A. Porter. OTOH, Fr. Gilbert
Gauthe, Jr. and Fr. Paul Shanley only buggered boys.
Not really. Read the links I've provided for you. The term does not apply to them.
They were subject to the same augmented defensiveness on behalf of female children.
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:29:12 GMT, (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
In article <7e5rr058drgl79t78j0uv29i3nde04bhsg@4ax.com>, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:47:22 GMT, (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
In article <4uKdnfAVTco-2CDcRVn-sA@gbronline.com>, "Rob Duncan" <robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
"jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1102897499.130977.99590@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The Terminologist wrote:
Turds of Wrath wrote:
How Christ Changed the World
The Social Principles of the Catholic Church
By: Msgr. Luigi Civardi
Shows how Christ has made the temporal life of this world
indescribably better through His teachings, His influence and His Church.
!
Incas - exterminated
Aztecs - exterminated
Medieval Islam - destroyed
Byzantuim - sacked
Inquisition - tortured millions
Copernicus - proved that the Christian god does not exist.
Don't forget priests raping children and the church blaming the
victim/covering up the crime/moving witnesses out of jurisdiction.
Just because ***** pedophiles infiltrated the Catholic Church doesnt
invalidate Christianities teachings.
Now does it?
** The problem is that in the future, RC parents will be reluctant to
trust priests with their boys. Perhaps a workaround is to assign girls to
non-hetero priests and boys to hetero priests?
No, it wouldn't work that way. The pedophile attacks children,
and homosexuality isn't the problem there.
... Heterosexual male pedophiles attack boys? Homosexual male pedophiles
attack girls?
Apparently you had difficulty reading the link provided to you,
even though the quote shown you previously would be quite
self-explanatory upon having been read for comprehension.
Pedophilia is an attack on children - who do not yet exhibit any
adult sexual characteristics - and is not equivalent to homosexuality
or heterosexuality.
"I picked the boys because in some way they were the safest, the
girls and the mothers would have been more dangerous."
http://crimemagazine.com/03/geoghan,1201.htm
While the significance of the above statement has eluded you, which
indicates that you aren't up to the level of discourse involved in the
scientific consideration of the problem, there's more on the topic
for those who don't share that limitation.
"The distinction between gender of victim and sexual orientation
of perpetrator is important because many child molesters don't
really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed
the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either
men or women."
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
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In article <voktr0d70srbh9pkbhmur0qnn7c9pqbf27@4ax.com>, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 02:46:37 GMT, (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
...Some people try to control a conversation, others try to listen, learn
and comment.
So what? Had you been paying attention, you'd know that's not
the subject being discussed. You've been offered information
about why it's not accurate to associate pedophilia with either
homosexuality or heterosexuality. Learn from it if you can.
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:59:40 GMT, (•R.L.Measures) wrote:
I am here to read what people on this forum write.
I wrote that you should read links provided, as they're there for a reason.
I used to babysit a potter friend's four-yr old daughter after
preschool let out. One of her favorite topics was which boys were hot in
her preschool class.
So what? It's no surprise that you can't guide a discussion with a child
appropriately.
Geoghan was a bisexual, like Fr. James A. Porter. OTOH, Fr. Gilbert
Gauthe, Jr. and Fr. Paul Shanley only buggered boys.
Not really. Read the links I've provided for you. The term does not
apply to them.
They were subject to the same augmented defensiveness on behalf of female
children.
• But they boinked boys, not girls. There are different kinds of pedophiles.
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15 Dec 2004 12:58:45 AM |
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"Al Klein" <CellPhones@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:36:49 GMT, (.R.L.Measures) said in
alt.atheism:
. But they boinked boys, not girls. There are different kinds of
pedophiles.
The vast majority of whom are heterosexual.
But the Catholic church was infested with ***** pedophiles. Interesting,
no? Collusion come to mind?
Rob
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15 Dec 2004 05:31:45 AM |
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In article <J86dnQmQ0-M1fSLcRVn-vQ@gbronline.com>, "Rob Duncan"
<robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
"Al Klein" <CellPhones@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:36:49 GMT, (.R.L.Measures) said in
alt.atheism:
. But they boinked boys, not girls. There are different kinds of
pedophiles.
The vast majority of whom are heterosexual.
But the Catholic church was infested with ***** pedophiles. Interesting,
no? Collusion come to mind?
** Teaching priests that children simply outgrow having has sexual
experiences with adults was probably not a real good idea.
- ref: UNHOLY ACTS by Paul Wilkes, p.61 The New Yorker Magazine, (June
7, 1993)
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15 Dec 2004 06:34:12 AM |
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".R.L.Measures" <> wrote in message
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In article <J86dnQmQ0-M1fSLcRVn-vQ@gbronline.com>, "Rob Duncan"
<robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
"Al Klein" <CellPhones@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:kouur0h7c9vpr6avd8dtqs2md2lh97vi6d@4ax.com...
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:36:49 GMT, (.R.L.Measures) said in
alt.atheism:
. But they boinked boys, not girls. There are different kinds of
pedophiles.
The vast majority of whom are heterosexual.
But the Catholic church was infested with ***** pedophiles. Interesting,
no? Collusion come to mind?
** Teaching priests that children simply outgrow having has sexual
experiences with adults was probably not a real good idea.
- ref: UNHOLY ACTS by Paul Wilkes, p.61 The New Yorker Magazine, (June
7, 1993)
Is there a link to that on the net?
Rob
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15 Dec 2004 11:44:07 AM |
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In article <Boadne-rzo3Vsl3cRVn-qQ@gbronline.com>, "Rob Duncan"
<robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
".R.L.Measures" < > wrote in message
news:r_-1512040331450001@192.168.1.100...
In article <J86dnQmQ0-M1fSLcRVn-vQ@gbronline.com>, "Rob Duncan"
<robduncan@gbronline.com> wrote:
"Al Klein" <CellPhones@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:kouur0h7c9vpr6avd8dtqs2md2lh97vi6d@4ax.com...
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:36:49 GMT, (.R.L.Measures) said in
alt.atheism:
. But they boinked boys, not girls. There are different kinds of
pedophiles.
The vast majority of whom are heterosexual.
But the Catholic church was infested with ***** pedophiles. Interesting,
no? Collusion come to mind?
** Teaching priests that children simply outgrow having has sexual
experiences with adults was probably not a real good idea.
- ref: UNHOLY ACTS by Paul Wilkes, p.61 The New Yorker Magazine, (June
7, 1993)
Is there a link to that on the net?
** http://www.somis.org/unholy__acts.htm /// p. 68, ¶1; p.70, ¶1: and
p.71, ¶3 for starters.
cheers, Rob
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