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"Don calldonREMOVE IT @something.net" |
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16 Apr 2004 12:18:45 PM |
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How much "free will" do you have??? |
How much "free will" do you have?
The steps of a man are established by the LORD, And He delights in his
way. (Ps37:23)
1) to be firm, be stable, be established
a) (Niphal)
1) to be set up, be established, be fixed
a) to be firmly established
b) to be established, be stable, be secure, be enduring
c) to be fixed, be securely determined
2) to be directed aright, be fixed aright, be steadfast (moral sense)
3) to prepare, be ready
4) to be prepared, be arranged, be settled
I know, LORD, that a person's life is not his own. No one is able to
plan his own course.
NLT Jer10:23
I know, O LORD, that a man's way is not in himself, Nor is it in a man
who walks to direct his steps.
NASB
I know, O LORD, that the way of man is not in himself, that it is not
in man who walks to direct his steps.
RSV
O Jehovah, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in
man that walketh to direct his steps.
ASV
Did you find Jesus? Where did you look?
Qualem blennum!
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| User: "R" |
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| Title: Re: How much "free will" do you have??? |
16 Apr 2004 05:18:13 PM |
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God is smart enough that He can create a situation where He is in at the
very least passive control, He knows the end from the beginning, and yet the
individuals who are actors in that situation are in fact acting according to
their own designs and are responsible for the choices they make of those God
presents them.
For example: Adam and Eve were set in a garden with a legitimate choice
between obeying God or not obeying God. For an interpreter of the Bible to
say that they had no free will in the execution of their choice is to ascert
that the Bible is not honest in its representation of the situation and
choices that confronted Adam and Eve. That interpreter is essentially
accusing God of presenting a lie to Adam and Eve.
God commanded them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and
evil, and He informed them of the consequences of disobedience. This implies
an unspoken assumption that it was within their capability and authority as
directed and instituted by God to obey or not to obey. It implies that God
decreed that mans will was not subordinate to God's in the choice of man's
destiny. Any other interpretation assumes that God was not being honest with
Adam and Eve. To say that it was God's will that man fall and that man had
no choice in the matter assumes that God misrepresented the situation or
economy or covenant, whatever theological term you want to use, to Adam and
Eve. That He was in essence lying to them about their arrangement.
Joshua said to the tribes of Israel, "choose" if the choice was not
legitimate then why is this situation depicted in the Bible? Why did God
allow it to be desribed in this way? Why did Joshua believe that they could
choose?
And what of Elijah on Mt Carmel, did he not say,"choose"? If Baal be god,
choose him, if Jehovah, choose him.
No, reformed theology, or calvinism, or absolute person predestination,
whatever you want to label it, is a lie.
However, there are two brands of this theology and one essentially has the
same practically application as not believing in predestination the other is
antinominism.
It depends on the interpretation of the docrine of the perseverance of
the saints. The first version of this doctrine says that if a person is
elect they will demonstrate it through their behavior. That is, they will
attend church, they will pay their tithes, they will be faithfull, they will
be baptized. And no I am not presenting what I believe here I am presenting
what Martin Luther taught. If they do not evidence behavior becoming a
person who is elect then they are not elect.
The other version of perseverance of the saints is comonly known as
unconditional eternal security. This doctrine is certainly more popular and
common than the first. The thing I find humorous is that many people who
believe in this doctrine also believe in free will and they are mutually
exclusive doctrines.
Anyway,,
There you are
R Johnson
"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
news:u65080p1q1dasc25sog6u795jq10vh1db2@4ax.com...
How much "free will" do you have?
The steps of a man are established by the LORD, And He delights in his
way. (Ps37:23)
1) to be firm, be stable, be established
a) (Niphal)
1) to be set up, be established, be fixed
a) to be firmly established
b) to be established, be stable, be secure, be enduring
c) to be fixed, be securely determined
2) to be directed aright, be fixed aright, be steadfast (moral sense)
3) to prepare, be ready
4) to be prepared, be arranged, be settled
I know, LORD, that a person's life is not his own. No one is able to
plan his own course.
NLT Jer10:23
I know, O LORD, that a man's way is not in himself, Nor is it in a man
who walks to direct his steps.
NASB
I know, O LORD, that the way of man is not in himself, that it is not
in man who walks to direct his steps.
RSV
O Jehovah, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in
man that walketh to direct his steps.
ASV
Did you find Jesus? Where did you look?
Qualem blennum!
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| User: "" |
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17 Apr 2004 10:16:43 AM |
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Hello Don < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.pentecostal :
How much "free will" do you have?
The steps of a man are established by the LORD, And He delights in his
way. (Ps37:23)
1) to be firm, be stable, be established
a) (Niphal)
1) to be set up, be established, be fixed
a) to be firmly established
b) to be established, be stable, be secure, be enduring
c) to be fixed, be securely determined
2) to be directed aright, be fixed aright, be steadfast (moral sense)
3) to prepare, be ready
4) to be prepared, be arranged, be settled
I know, LORD, that a person's life is not his own. No one is able to
plan his own course.
NLT Jer10:23
I know, O LORD, that a man's way is not in himself, Nor is it in a man
who walks to direct his steps.
NASB
I know, O LORD, that the way of man is not in himself, that it is not
in man who walks to direct his steps.
RSV
O Jehovah, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in
man that walketh to direct his steps.
ASV
Did you find Jesus? Where did you look?
Yep, I found Jesus. 30+ years ago.
Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing
in the heavenly places in Christ,
4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that
we would be holy and blameless
before Him. In love
5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to
Himself, according to the kind intention of
His will,
6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed
on us in the Beloved.
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our
trespasses, according to the riches
of His grace
8 which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight
9 He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind
intention which He purposed in Him
10 with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the
times, that is, the summing up of all things
in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him
11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined
according to His purpose who works all
things after the counsel of His will,
12 to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be
to the praise of His glory.
He found me first.
Christian
Qualem blennum!
Kerblumbom quilbbubbis to you too!
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| User: "Don calldonREMOVE IT @something.net" |
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17 Apr 2004 10:35:27 AM |
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:16:43 -0600, wrote:
Did you find Jesus? Where did you look?
Yep, I found Jesus. 30+ years ago.
He found me first.
I HE found you first, then it would be impossible for you to find him,
since he was not lost, was he?
D*
"Truth, in matters of religion, is simply the opinion that has survived."
-- Oscar Wilde
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| User: "" |
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17 Apr 2004 08:32:52 PM |
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Hello Don < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.pentecostal :
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:16:43 -0600, wrote:
Did you find Jesus? Where did you look?
Yep, I found Jesus. 30+ years ago.
He found me first.
I HE found you first, then it would be impossible for you to find him,
since he was not lost, was he?
D*
You are playing semantic games. He wasn't lost; I was.
Christian
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| User: "IKnowHimDoYou" |
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17 Apr 2004 12:17:28 PM |
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In article <fij280pe187v5t1krhqiblhtgh469ek3il@4ax.com>, Don <
calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:16:43 -0600, wrote:
Did you find Jesus? Where did you look?
Yep, I found Jesus. 30+ years ago.
He found me first.
I HE found you first, then it would be impossible for you to find him,
since he was not lost, was he?
D*
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Yes, Don, and He has been looking for you for years.
Why not come to Him while you can?
He loves you with and everlasting love.
He only waits for your decision.
Choos Him now...
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| User: "Don calldonREMOVE IT @something.net" |
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17 Apr 2004 12:27:56 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:17:28 -0700,
(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
In article <fij280pe187v5t1krhqiblhtgh469ek3il@4ax.com>, Don <
calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:16:43 -0600, wrote:
Did you find Jesus? Where did you look?
Yep, I found Jesus. 30+ years ago.
He found me first.
I HE found you first, then it would be impossible for you to find him,
since he was not lost, was he?
D*
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Yes, Don, and He has been looking for you for years.
Why not come to Him while you can?
He loves you with and everlasting love.
He only waits for your decision.
Choos Him now...
I don't know how to "CHOOS"
Do you have a CHOOS instruction book???
"Pardon me, boy...is that the Chattanooga Choos Choos???"
Isn't that how the song goes???
D*
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| User: "IKnowHimDoYou" |
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17 Apr 2004 01:57:33 PM |
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In article <23q280557iu5q84l0dd7s9f59nhcctudp9@4ax.com>, Don <
calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:17:28 -0700,
(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
In article <fij280pe187v5t1krhqiblhtgh469ek3il@4ax.com>, Don <
calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:16:43 -0600, wrote:
Did you find Jesus? Where did you look?
Yep, I found Jesus. 30+ years ago.
He found me first.
I HE found you first, then it would be impossible for you to find him,
since he was not lost, was he?
D*
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Yes, Don, and He has been looking for you for years.
Why not come to Him while you can?
He loves you with and everlasting love.
He only waits for your decision.
Choos Him now...
I don't know how to "CHOOS"
Do you have a CHOOS instruction book???
"Pardon me, boy...is that the Chattanooga Choos Choos???"
Isn't that how the song goes???
D*
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That is funny. That probably should have been "choose" should it not?
Don't think I have ever heard that about the train before. Did you make
that up yourself?
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| User: "Khee Mao" |
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16 Apr 2004 02:55:22 PM |
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"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
news:u65080p1q1dasc25sog6u795jq10vh1db2@4ax.com...
How much "free will" do you have?
The steps of a man are established by the LORD, And He delights in his
way. (Ps37:23)
1) to be firm, be stable, be established
a) (Niphal)
1) to be set up, be established, be fixed
a) to be firmly established
b) to be established, be stable, be secure, be enduring
c) to be fixed, be securely determined
2) to be directed aright, be fixed aright, be steadfast (moral sense)
3) to prepare, be ready
4) to be prepared, be arranged, be settled
I know, LORD, that a person's life is not his own. No one is able to
plan his own course.
NLT Jer10:23
I know, O LORD, that a man's way is not in himself, Nor is it in a man
who walks to direct his steps.
NASB
I know, O LORD, that the way of man is not in himself, that it is not
in man who walks to direct his steps.
RSV
O Jehovah, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in
man that walketh to direct his steps.
ASV
Did you find Jesus? Where did you look?
of course you have the free will to accept this or not...
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| User: "u2 fan" |
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16 Apr 2004 01:23:29 PM |
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"Free will" is just a biological chemical random number generator that
interacts with the universe around it's self, it's an illusion, we were
predestined to goto heaven or hell by design.
My design is well screwed up, but somehow ....
No such thing as free will ! I'll be happy to snog forever... it's my
programming.... oh well !!! what a pointless existance ......
"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
news:u65080p1q1dasc25sog6u795jq10vh1db2@4ax.com...
How much "free will" do you have?
The steps of a man are established by the LORD, And He delights in his
way. (Ps37:23)
1) to be firm, be stable, be established
a) (Niphal)
1) to be set up, be established, be fixed
a) to be firmly established
b) to be established, be stable, be secure, be enduring
c) to be fixed, be securely determined
2) to be directed aright, be fixed aright, be steadfast (moral sense)
3) to prepare, be ready
4) to be prepared, be arranged, be settled
I know, LORD, that a person's life is not his own. No one is able to
plan his own course.
NLT Jer10:23
I know, O LORD, that a man's way is not in himself, Nor is it in a man
who walks to direct his steps.
NASB
I know, O LORD, that the way of man is not in himself, that it is not
in man who walks to direct his steps.
RSV
O Jehovah, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in
man that walketh to direct his steps.
ASV
Did you find Jesus? Where did you look?
Qualem blennum!
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| User: "Paul Laird" |
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17 Apr 2004 06:31:32 AM |
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"u2 fan" <aha@com.com> wrote in message
news:c5p8b1$rtj$1@titan.btinternet.com...
"Free will" is just a biological chemical random number generator that
interacts with the universe around it's self, it's an illusion, we were
predestined to goto heaven or hell by design.
My design is well screwed up, but somehow ....
No such thing as free will ! I'll be happy to snog forever... it's my
programming.... oh well !!! what a pointless existance ......
Hmm, so then Joshua was misleading the people of Israel when he told them,
"Choose you this day whom you will serve." I mean, how could they make if a
choice if they had no choice?
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| User: "Gomez Addams" |
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17 Apr 2004 09:06:18 AM |
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"Paul Laird" <smalltoe10@ywave.com> wrote in message
news:B9idnbCrrLsMiBzd4p2dnA@scnresearch.com...
"u2 fan" <aha@com.com> wrote in message
news:c5p8b1$rtj$1@titan.btinternet.com...
"Free will" is just a biological chemical random number generator that
interacts with the universe around it's self, it's an illusion, we were
predestined to goto heaven or hell by design.
My design is well screwed up, but somehow ....
No such thing as free will ! I'll be happy to snog forever... it's my
programming.... oh well !!! what a pointless existance ......
Hmm, so then Joshua was misleading the people of Israel when he told them,
"Choose you this day whom you will serve." I mean, how could they make if
a
choice if they had no choice?
The universal position of Calvinists everywhere is that God has so
ordained the construction of the Universe that what He wills to be done is
made to appear irrestistably attractive to each of us, and so it is that we
freely choose to do that which God has created specifically for us to do.
We are not mindless robots. We =do= have to consider that the Almighty
is intimately involved in our daily affairs, guiding us with an Omniscient
unseen hand to do that which He wants us to do. The choice is ours, but that
is because the other options appear to be bad for us.
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| User: "blacknblue" |
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16 Apr 2004 06:27:54 PM |
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what a pointless existance ......
yep, according to the Bible its all pointless....a scipture that
points towards the pointlessness of life:
18 I also thought, "As for men, God tests them so that they may see
that they are like the animals. 19 Man's fate is like that of the
animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the
other. All have the same breath [2] ; man has no advantage over the
animal. Everything is meaningless. 20 All go to the same place; all
come from dust, and to dust all return. 21 Who knows if the spirit of
man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal [3] goes down into
the earth?"
22 So I saw that there is nothing better for a man than to enjoy his
work, because that is his lot. For who can bring him to see what will
happen after him?
-King Solomon
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| User: "Paul Laird" |
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17 Apr 2004 06:34:56 AM |
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"blacknblue" <crewfan_88@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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what a pointless existance ......
yep, according to the Bible its all pointless....a scipture that
points towards the pointlessness of life:
18 I also thought, "As for men, God tests them so that they may see
that they are like the animals. 19 Man's fate is like that of the
animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the
other. All have the same breath [2] ; man has no advantage over the
animal. Everything is meaningless. 20 All go to the same place; all
come from dust, and to dust all return. 21 Who knows if the spirit of
man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal [3] goes down into
the earth?"
22 So I saw that there is nothing better for a man than to enjoy his
work, because that is his lot. For who can bring him to see what will
happen after him?
-King Solomon
As usual, you have deliberately misrepresented a portion of God's word.
This section of scripture refers to the uselessness and pointlessness of an
existence APART from God. Dishonesty in the use of any literary record,
whether the Bible or Shakespeare, is evidence of a total lack of
intelligence.
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| User: "" |
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17 Apr 2004 09:14:31 PM |
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"Paul Laird" <smalltoe10@ywave.com> wrote in message news:<bICdnVmjW87AixzdRVn-hg@scnresearch.com>...
"blacknblue" <crewfan_88@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b7362ea0.0404161527.4b256e59@posting.google.com...
what a pointless existance ......
yep, according to the Bible its all pointless....a scipture that
points towards the pointlessness of life:
18 I also thought, "As for men, God tests them so that they may see
that they are like the animals. 19 Man's fate is like that of the
animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the
other. All have the same breath [2] ; man has no advantage over the
animal. Everything is meaningless. 20 All go to the same place; all
come from dust, and to dust all return. 21 Who knows if the spirit of
man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal [3] goes down into
the earth?"
22 So I saw that there is nothing better for a man than to enjoy his
work, because that is his lot. For who can bring him to see what will
happen after him?
-King Solomon
As usual, you have deliberately misrepresented a portion of God's word.
This section of scripture refers to the uselessness and pointlessness of an
existence APART from God. Dishonesty in the use of any literary record,
whether the Bible or Shakespeare, is evidence of a total lack of
intelligence.
I thought it was King Solomons word? Are you saying that Solomon was
God? Is this some kind of neo-christian belief?
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24 May 2004 03:35:29 AM |
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Don, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the pen to use, wrote:
<snip free will-less, and free thought-less drivel>
Did you find Jesus? Where did you look?
Nope. In my little pile of navel lint I've been collecting for 3 years. Ya
reckon your god is a 3 year old pile of navel lint too, you moron?
Joh N.
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| User: "IKnowHimDoYou" |
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17 Apr 2004 12:14:34 PM |
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In article <u65080p1q1dasc25sog6u795jq10vh1db2@4ax.com>, Don <
calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote:
How much "free will" do you have?
The steps of a man are established by the LORD, And He delights in his
way. (Ps37:23)
1) to be firm, be stable, be established
a) (Niphal)
1) to be set up, be established, be fixed
a) to be firmly established
b) to be established, be stable, be secure, be enduring
c) to be fixed, be securely determined
2) to be directed aright, be fixed aright, be steadfast (moral sense)
3) to prepare, be ready
4) to be prepared, be arranged, be settled
I know, LORD, that a person's life is not his own. No one is able to
plan his own course.
NLT Jer10:23
I know, O LORD, that a man's way is not in himself, Nor is it in a man
who walks to direct his steps.
NASB
I know, O LORD, that the way of man is not in himself, that it is not
in man who walks to direct his steps.
RSV
O Jehovah, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in
man that walketh to direct his steps.
ASV
Did you find Jesus? Where did you look?
______________________________________________________________
Don, call God. His number is Jer 33:3..
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| User: "Don calldonREMOVE IT @something.net" |
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17 Apr 2004 12:22:59 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:14:34 -0700,
(IKnowHimDoYou) slathered:
Don, call God. His number is Jer 33:3..
What did you say? I am still waiting for you to LISTEN to anything.
Your actions speak so loudly, I can't hear what you keep trying to
say.
These comments are meant to offend everyone equally. If, for some reason you are not offended, please write me with a description of
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| User: "IKnowHimDoYou" |
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17 Apr 2004 01:55:41 PM |
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In article <vop2801pcm816erer1fp8hp2p3mq0opg99@4ax.com>, Don <
calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:14:34 -0700,
(IKnowHimDoYou) slathered:
Don, call God. His number is Jer 33:3..
What did you say? I am still waiting for you to LISTEN to anything.
Your actions speak so loudly, I can't hear what you keep trying to
say.
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Of course that is not "cliche" is it?
Anyway, God is still calling you, Don.
His offer is valid at anytime and anywhere to all. Even to you...
Why not choose Him and know real contentment and peace?
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| User: "Don calldonREMOVE IT @something.net" |
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17 Apr 2004 02:05:21 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 11:55:41 -0700,
(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
In article <vop2801pcm816erer1fp8hp2p3mq0opg99@4ax.com>, Don <
calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:14:34 -0700,
(IKnowHimDoYou) slathered:
Don, call God. His number is Jer 33:3..
What did you say? I am still waiting for you to LISTEN to anything.
Your actions speak so loudly, I can't hear what you keep trying to
say.
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Of course that is not "cliche" is it?
It is true.
Anyway, God is still calling you, Don.
How do you know? You can't hear my phone.
His offer is valid at anytime and anywhere to all. Even to you...
And reading comprehension classes are available for you.
Why not choose Him and know real contentment and peace?
Why not pay attention?
You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image
when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
-- Anne Lamott
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| User: "IKnowHimDoYou" |
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| Title: Re: How much "free will" do you have??? |
18 Apr 2004 10:59:04 AM |
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In article <2tv2809l9no6bnk643a1v6ranfv67ld1vb@4ax.com>, Don <
calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 11:55:41 -0700,
(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
In article <vop2801pcm816erer1fp8hp2p3mq0opg99@4ax.com>, Don <
calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:14:34 -0700,
(IKnowHimDoYou) slathered:
Don, call God. His number is Jer 33:3..
What did you say? I am still waiting for you to LISTEN to anything.
Your actions speak so loudly, I can't hear what you keep trying to
say.
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Of course that is not "cliche" is it?
It is true.
Anyway, God is still calling you, Don.
How do you know? You can't hear my phone.
His offer is valid at anytime and anywhere to all. Even to you...
And reading comprehension classes are available for you.
Why not choose Him and know real contentment and peace?
Why not pay attention?
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Don, do not, I implore you, refuse His offer.
The Lord Jesus Christ died for you and He wishes you to come to Him.
Don't continue to ignore Him for He loves you with and everlasting love.
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| User: "Stephen Bayzik" |
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| Title: Re: How much "free will" do you have??? |
18 Apr 2004 01:52:45 PM |
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-1804040859040001@pm8-29.kalama.com...
Don, do not, I implore you, refuse His offer.
The Lord Jesus Christ died for you and He wishes you to come to Him.
Don't continue to ignore Him for He loves you with and everlasting love.
It is bad enough to be ignorant, but why so melodramatic?
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Stephen Bayzik
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