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Topic:	Religions > Bible
User:	"J Young"
Date:	27 Feb 2005 09:26:55 PM
Object:	If there is a Hell

If Hell, as described in the Bible, really does exist; No one should be
suprised at who will be roasting and who won't. You know who you are.
This alone should motivate people to lead a moral, clean, decent life.
Just in case.
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User: "Sir Marksman"
Title: Re: If there is a Hell, billy bob baKKKer aka Max Varazslo will be in it!	04 Mar 2005 05:43:36 PM

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Sir Marksman, I LOVE you!

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Sir Marksman, I LOVE you!

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Abominations and LIEberals must be exposed!
Funny quote from Bill BaKKKer : I am an abomination and I can't stop antagonizing Sir Marksman!
Another funny quote from Bill BaKKKer: I can't stop SPAMMING and harassing other posters, because I have no life!
Note denial of facts from BaKKKer.
Watch Fascist Hatemonger and Bigot craig chilton aka james keegan antagonize!
"The modern definition of a racist: someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."
Peter Brimelow, Alien Nation (1996)
Disgusting quote from Craig Chilton "Just like all other good providers of abortion services, Tiller is
a true American HERO!" 02/08/05
Max Varazslo posing as Bill BaKKKer: "I am in love with you Sir Marksman!" 2/27/05
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User: "Sir Marksman"
Title: Re: If there is a Hell, billy bob baKKKer aka Max Varazslo will be in it!	04 Mar 2005 05:43:57 PM

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User: "RS"
Title: Re: If there is a Hell	28 Feb 2005 02:40:43 PM

"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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Who told you that they were lies? They were not. The Crusades were
religiously oriented, and nobody has ever proved otherwise.

Then that shows me how little you know about the history of the Crusades.
The first crusade was a response of the Christian world to the cries from
the East, as the Muslim armies advanced so far into Christian terretory that
they jeprodized the eastern empire. It wasn't religiously motivated. When
Christians are fleeing safely into the borders and closer to the heart of
their center (which happened to be Rome at the time) away from advancing
non-Christian armies, that doesn't dictate religion. It dictates politics.
Also your distinction that the Church has the power to form an army and
maintain an army is greatly exagerrated, when it was a response of the
Empire to form an army. Granted religious figures did participate in the
fighting to reclaim Christian land, it was an organized response to a real
threat. If Rome didn't respond to the east, there would be no Christian
world today, but the Muslim world would be dominent.
Think of it like this... if the United States didn't get involved in Europe
during WWII, where would this world be? If Moses never responded to God's
call to bring His people out of Egypt, where would this world be? If Joan
of Arc never answered her call to save the Kingdom of France, where would
that country be?
Those are just examples. History dictates that the response of the
Christian world in the First Crusade was to push back the rapidly advancing
Muslim armies and reclaim Christian cities, freeing Christian peoples. Each
subsequent Crusade was either a squabble over control for Jerusalem or a
failed attempt to regain Christan cities that had been besieged by Muslim
kingdoms.

So now you're being "persecuted"? What a laugh. You belong to a religion
that is the majority religion in the western hemisphere. Christians enjoy
special privileges over other religions. You cannot begin to know what
persecution is, but you think you're experiencing it when someone asks you
not to push your religion in their face because they don't believe the
same way you do. Un-freakin'-believable.

On the contrary, you know little about how bad the persecution of Christians
are. In the Muslim world, Christians must pray and practice in silent for
fear of death. In lands controlled in China, Christians cannot possess
bibles, crosses, or religious relics for fear of physical attack. Look on
htis group for example. When our pontif is sick in the hospital, people
cast death wishes onto him. When 4% of the priesthood was accussed of
sexual crimes and only 1% found legitimate, ignorant people think every
single Roman Catholic priest is a sexual pedophile (though only a handful of
those accussations involved pedophilia. When a man proclaiming to be
Christian is found to be a violent criminal, people judge the whole system.
There is a television show on now which depicts two men, an atheist and a
jew, determining the best way to dispose of the host that they are given in
mass... things from burning it, throwing it in the trash, throwing it in the
toilet and excreting onto it before it is flushed.
I have a crucifix on the wall in my apartment. Someone in the hallway came
into my apartment and started yelling at me, calling me stupid, ignorant,
and evil for displaying such religious hatred to my guests. I had a sign on
my door: "Pray for Pope John Paul II" and someone wrote on my door "I will
pray that the demon dies!".
My parish and I were enacting the passion scene (living stations of the
cross) outside of our church last year and a student stopped in the middle
of the plaza and yelled "You're all fning crazy!" but without the censoring.
Lies are spread about me. Friends have been lost to me because I no longer
drink or party or lust after women. I have a friend whose bible was stolen
out of her bookbag, defaced, and thrown about her room. There isn't a day
that goes by when I don't hear someone trashing my beliefs unprovoked or
speaking lies about the Roman Catholic Church.
As every day goes by, more and more Christians are being arrested for
participating in public protests against homosexuality, gay marriage,
abortion, and public pornography. Peaceful protests are being broken up,
violating our rights as American citizens. I was watching a tape the other
day of a group of protesters at the OutFest (Gay Pride Day) in Phili.
These were people who had a few signs (a group of 20 or so) standing on the
sidewalk protesting to the city funding such an event. They wanted to enter
the event (which was legal because it was a public event on public streets).
When they did, this group known as the "Pink Angels" showed up and prevented
them from moving. The police arrived and told the Christian protesters to
keep moving. They tried. The pink angels had 12 foot tall pink styrophome
planks that blocked the protesters signs (entirely illegal). The pink
angels had whistles and were blasting them in the ears of hte protesters
(illegal - harassment). The pink angels were blocking the sidewalks, not
letting the protesters pass (illegal).
The protesters were more than cooperative, moving from place to place as the
police told them to, asking the police to stop the pink angels from their
blockade so that the protesters could continue their peaceful stance against
the event (very legal). In 20 minutes, though the protesters were
completely cooperative, they were arrested, charged with a pluthera of
things from uncivilized protest all the way to 20 accounts of hate crimes.
They were protesting against homosexual sin. They were protesting against
the city publicly funding the event. In total, their charges were unjust
and stayed in city courts.
Repent America (the protesters) obeyed all laws. They even obeyed unlawful
requests (being asked to move by Philadelphia's Civil Affairs police).
Without warning, they were arrested and spent 21 hours in jail before being
released. Ten of them were individually charged with three felonies and
five misdemeanors, while a teenager with the group was charged with a
misdemeanor. The charges included:
Criminal Conspiracy (they planned the protest)
Possession of Instriments of Crime (the wooden sticks they used for their
signs)
Reckless Engangerment of Another Person (blocking sidewalk.. though the Pink
Angels blocked it for them)
Ethnic Intimidation (handing out scripture while singing hymns at this
public event)
Riot (the chaos that stated when the Pink Angels arrived)
Failure to Disperse (they were never told to disperse before they were
arrested)
Disorderly Conduct (they wanted to go towards the event and the police were
illegally ordering them to go away from it)
Obstructing Highways (the pink angels surrounded and trapped them in a
public market)
The tape was played in court and the judge, who was an atheist, caleld the
Bible "hate literature that should be burned".
http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_outfest.html
I am now reading the judicual results from the hearing. History of the
protester:
October 31:2002 afternoon
The Protester (Michael Marcavage) was open air preaching and was approached
by police because it was not appropriate. Marcavage asked where a more
acceptable place would be to do this constitutionally protected protest.
The officer ignored him.
October 31, 2002: evening
Marcavaged used voice amliphication on a busy street outside of bars to make
his message more understandable. He was approached by two police officers
who told him he couldn't use the megaphone. Plantiff agreed to lower the
microphone but then volunteered to not use it. Marcavage had friends look
for the ordinance not to use sound amplification on South Street where he
was located. There was none. He called the Police Deparment and asked them
if there was any known ordinance to prevent him from using megaphone. They
dispatched a supervisor to his location: same officer who told him he was
prohibted from using the megaphone. Michael asked police officer what
ordinance he was referring to. Police officer refused to provide
information.Michael asked why the officer refused to provide the ordinance
number and the Police officer threatened that if Michael used the megaphone
again, he would be arrseted. Michael asked what specific laws he was
breaking. At hte time, police officer began to yell and demanded michael
and his crew to move because he wasn't permitted to stand on the public
sidewalk. Plantiff knew he wasn't breaking laws so he continued to stay
there. He then decided to move to a location off of South Street and being
his open-air preaching elsewhere. He used voice amplification because there
was no law against it. After that, he was approached by three police
officers and immediately arrested him without warning. Plantiff was calm,
non-argumentative, non-threatening, and fully cooperative.
Examination at the station indicated that Michael was treated roughly,
slammed up against a storefront window and commanded to give information and
identification. Officers asked for his social security number. He refused
to give it. At the station, the Plaintiff was mocked because of his
religious beliefs, harassed and intimidated. Female officer told Michael
that at any time he could be arrested for handing out Gospel literature
because in Philadelphia, it is against the law. Plaintiff has yet to find a
statute support for such a blatant infrindgement of his constitutional
rights.
After 12 hours of interrogation, Plaintiff was released and charged with
disorderly conduct. Plaintiff was initially found guilty in Philadelphia
Municipal, but charges were dismissed in a higher court because conduct was
protected by First Amendment.
March 31: Plaintiff arrives at South Street to engage in open-air preaching,
assurred of the legality of it since his original charge was dropped. He
was approached by an officer and threatened to be arrested under violation
of ordinance 12-1126 "no person, while driving, parked, or in control of any
vehicle, shall operate a radio, tape player, or any other type of sound
reproduction device in any area within the City at a sound level which
produces a sound audible at distance greater than 25 feet from the location
of such device." He had no car or automobile so he wasn't breaking the law.
Officer threatened to give ticket if she could hear him for more than 25
feet away. After interaction, Lieutenant Walker arrived at the scene. Lt.
Walker said that Michael couldn't use a megaphone nor could he stand on a
chair while he was preaching: It was against the law...Lt. Walker, after
questioned by Micahel, changed his opinion and said "You can use your First
Amendment rights over there."
May 29 2003: arrested for spreading gospel of Jesus Christ on South Street.
He was preaching outside of "Condom Kingdom". They were using a megaphone
but it was no louder than any conversations or music emenating from local
taverns or noise from automobiles passing by. It was no louder than the
boisterous yelling going on throughout all of South Street.
He was approached and told it was illegal to use a megaphone after 7PM.
This clearly contradicted the October 31 claim that sound amplification was
banned on South Street. Officer left to review case and another officer
arrived, telling Michael that He had to leave Condom Kingdom area because
"people did not like what he was saying". St. Edwards arrived and said he
had instructions to prevent use of megaphone, and that Plaintiff could no
longer stand on the chair, nor could he stand in one place. St. Edwards
said Michael had to talk in a normal conversational tone and keep moving at
all times otherwise he would be arrested (illegal claim).
Auguest 15. 2003:
South 13th street
preaching outside of Woody's Bar.
Police arrived told him he couldn't be here... exact words: "If I come back
here and your still out here, you're getting locked up."
When he asked the officer what law he was breaking, officer responded "It
doesn't matter what statute, it is my statute..."
May 1 2004:
He arrived at Planned Parenthood on Locust Street to engage in protected
activities of protesting abortion, ministering to those going to or outside
of the abortion clinic. Preached with aid of megaphone. Officer arrived
and told him to stop using megaphone. "It's just noise abatement" she
responded in response to the request of a law or statute.
May 4th, 2004: Sunday Out
Party of Michael escorted out of public event by police officers wearing
neckalces from the event. Police told Michael "he was not welcome at their
event". Police called 5 to 10 more police officers who baricaded Michael
and his party from teh event.
Camera man of Michael attempted to follow him past barricade to film his
conversation with officers, but another officer told camera man
sarcastically "it isn't about the constitution, this is about God's law."
June 13, 2004: Philly Price Presents (LGBT pride day)
Plantiff began ministering AFTER the event and police arrived, blocking
Michael from people he was talking to, encouraging others not to talk to
this man. Officer Fisher arrived and told Plaintiff that he wasn't to cross
the street onto a public sidewalk under the defense of "I can't protect you
over there; you have to stay here." though Michael didnt' feel threatened by
anyone but the police. After much civlized conversation and requests by
Michael to police, he was arrested.
After this, the outfest arrest which I described earlier.
At the state level, his case was thrown out and he was compensated for
crimes against him. Still, he is given a hard time by police and his rights
are still being infringed. Philadelphia police personnel are inadequetley
trained in substantive and procedural requirements for the First Amendment.
I am reading right from the court transcript. Michael was smart in one
thing. He filmed everything he could.
Other instances of Christian persecution in Ameirca:
http://www.keychristianissues.com/America.html
Key violent acts against Christians:
Chuck Mcllhenny of San Francisco let go of a homosexual organist because it
was making for strange relations at his parish. They faced years of
lawsuites because of this, but worst off, they (him and his wife and
children) recieved thousands of threatening phone calls, people threatening
to rape and kill his wife and three young daughters. His house wsa then
burnt down by a firebomb while they were sleeping. They barely escaped with
their lives.
April 20, 1999, two students at Columbine High killed 12 classmates and a
teacher. Asked three Christian girls if they believed in God, and killed
them when they said Yes. Cassie Bernall, Rachel Scott, Valeen Schnurr.
Septmeber 15, 1999: Wedgewood Baptist Church in Fort Worth, Texas. Gunman
entered and methodically shot Christians who were attending the service.
Seven died.
Raymond Raines, a forth grade student, had a habit of saying grace before
meals. A teacher publicly humiliated him for praying and ordered him to get
out of his seat and go to the principals office. Principal ordered Raymond
not to pray again. He was given a weeks detention.
Kayla Broadus, a Kindergartener was ordered by her school to stop praying
before meals because she prayed for five seconds too loudly.
Two middle-school students (sisters) carried their bibles to school. Their
teacher confiscated the bibles and took the birls to the principals fofice.
Principal contacted mother and threatened to call Child Protective Services.
The mother came to school and the principal waved the Bible in the mother's
face and yelled "This is garbage" then she threw the Bibles into the trash
can.
I had a friend who was suspended for a week from school because he brought
his bible to school. I had mine taken away once because I was reading it
during study hall.
Federal Judge in Texas ruled that students are forbidden to say the word
"Jesus" during school graduation ceremonies. He said that a US Marshal
would attend the graduation and arrest any student who did and send them to
jail for 6 months.
In Vermont, a child in kingergarten was forbidden to say that God is not
dead. He was told that such talk isn't allowed. In Kentucky, school
administrators told a student that he wasn't allowed to pray or talk about
God. In Florida, a teacher told two elementary school students that they
were not allowed to talk about Jesus in school. In connecticute, police
officers told a man that they would arrest him if they had evidence that he
gave religious tracts to a student ("corrupting the morals of a minor")
Seventh-Grade students in California were requred to study Islam for three
weeks, including mandatory Role playing. They had to pretend that they were
Muslims, pray to Allah, and chant praises. They had to adopt Muslim names.
They were forced to play a game that simulated a jihad.
Today in Communist China, Christians are being forcibly committed to mental
hospitals. Some of them are being tortured in the hospitals. Public
schools are using history textbooks that rewrite American history to
elminate any mention of Christian influences.
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User: "Bill Baker"
Title: Re: If there is a Hell	28 Feb 2005 06:04:55 PM

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:40:43 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message
news:<cvvvkf$1ad$1@news3.bu.edu>:

"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.02.28.15.41.14.83687@postini.spamcon.org...

Who told you that they were lies? They were not. The Crusades were
religiously oriented, and nobody has ever proved otherwise.

Then that shows me how little you know about the history of the Crusades.

Actually, it shows me how much you listen to religious propaganda and
ignore the real facts.

The first crusade was a response of the Christian world to the cries from
the East, as the Muslim armies advanced so far into Christian terretory that
they jeprodized the eastern empire. It wasn't religiously motivated.

Even if what you're saying is true, it was still religiously motivated.

When Christians are fleeing safely into the borders and closer to the
heart of their center (which happened to be Rome at the time) away from
advancing non-Christian armies, that doesn't dictate religion. It
dictates politics. Also your distinction that the Church has the power
to form an army and maintain an army is greatly exagerrated, when it was
a response of the Empire to form an army. Granted religious figures did
participate in the fighting to reclaim Christian land, it was an
organized response to a real threat. If Rome didn't respond to the
east, there would be no Christian world today, but the Muslim world
would be dominent.

Where are you getting this information? At the time of the Crusades, the
Catholic church was in control. They were the state. There was no such
thing as a secular government.

Think of it like this... if the United States didn't get involved in
Europe during WWII, where would this world be? If Moses never responded
to God's call to bring His people out of Egypt, where would this world
be? If Joan of Arc never answered her call to save the Kingdom of
France, where would that country be?

In order for that to be an apt comparison, the Catholic church would have
had to be under some kind of threat when the Crusades happened. They were
not.

Those are just examples. History dictates that the response of the
Christian world in the First Crusade was to push back the rapidly
advancing Muslim armies and reclaim Christian cities, freeing Christian
peoples. Each subsequent Crusade was either a squabble over control for
Jerusalem or a failed attempt to regain Christan cities that had been
besieged by Muslim kingdoms.

You're just being delusional now.

So now you're being "persecuted"? What a laugh. You belong to a
religion that is the majority religion in the western hemisphere.
Christians enjoy special privileges over other religions. You cannot
begin to know what persecution is, but you think you're experiencing it
when someone asks you not to push your religion in their face because
they don't believe the same way you do. Un-freakin'-believable.

On the contrary, you know little about how bad the persecution of
Christians are.

I know that it's nonexistent in the western hemisphere.

In the Muslim world, Christians must pray and practice in silent for
fear of death. In lands controlled in China, Christians cannot possess
bibles, crosses, or religious relics for fear of physical attack.

Those are in the eastern hemisphere. Did you not see where I said, "in
the western hemisphere"?

Look on htis group for example. When our pontif is sick in the
hospital, people cast death wishes onto him.

So what? That doesn't mean anyone is being persecuted.

When 4% of the priesthood was accussed of sexual crimes and only 1%
found legitimate, ignorant people think every single Roman Catholic
priest is a sexual pedophile (though only a handful of those
accussations involved pedophilia. When a man proclaiming to be
Christian is found to be a violent criminal, people judge the whole
system.

It's only a backlash to the persecution done by Christians. We have in
alt.politics.homosexuality a few people who claim that the priests were
"***** priests" and use it as an example of reasons to deny homosexuals
rights. And in alt.atheism, Christians are constantly telling them how
atheists are "immoral".

There is a television show on now which depicts two men, an atheist and
a jew, determining the best way to dispose of the host that they are
given in mass... things from burning it, throwing it in the trash,
throwing it in the toilet and excreting onto it before it is flushed.

So what? If you don't like it, you can change the channel or turn the TV
off. It doesn't mean you're being persecuted.

I have a crucifix on the wall in my apartment. Someone in the hallway
came into my apartment and started yelling at me, calling me stupid,
ignorant, and evil for displaying such religious hatred to my guests. I
had a sign on my door: "Pray for Pope John Paul II" and someone wrote on
my door "I will pray that the demon dies!".

That still doesn't equal persecution. Have any Christians in the U.S.
ever been fed to lions? Now that's persecution!

My parish and I were enacting the passion scene (living stations of the
cross) outside of our church last year and a student stopped in the
middle of the plaza and yelled "You're all fning crazy!" but without the
censoring.

Again, so what? You think that one person yelling something equals
persecution? Come talk to me after you've been thrown in prison for your
beliefs or threatened with death by the government.

Lies are spread about me. Friends have been lost to me because I no
longer drink or party or lust after women. I have a friend whose bible
was stolen out of her bookbag, defaced, and thrown about her room. There
isn't a day that goes by when I don't hear someone trashing my beliefs
unprovoked or speaking lies about the Roman Catholic Church.

"Unprovoked"? Sorry, but that's simply not true. Christians are the
ruling class in society. Why do you think politicians take every
opportunity they can to be seen in church? What you're witnessing is a
backlash.

As every day goes by, more and more Christians are being arrested for
participating in public protests against homosexuality, gay marriage,
abortion, and public pornography.

So when you're not allowed to persecute others, you scream "Persecution!".

Peaceful protests are being broken up, violating our rights as American
citizens.

None of your civil rights have been violated. None at all.

I was watching a tape the other day of a group of protesters at the
OutFest (Gay Pride Day) in Phili. These were people who had a few signs
(a group of 20 or so) standing on the sidewalk protesting to the city
funding such an event. They wanted to enter the event (which was legal
because it was a public event on public streets). When they did, this
group known as the "Pink Angels" showed up and prevented them from
moving. The police arrived and told the Christian protesters to keep
moving. They tried. The pink angels had 12 foot tall pink styrophome
planks that blocked the protesters signs (entirely illegal). The pink
angels had whistles and were blasting them in the ears of hte protesters
(illegal - harassment).
The pink angels were blocking the sidewalks, not letting the protesters
pass (illegal).

None of what you describe is illegal, nor was it harassment (except on the
part of the Christians). The Pink Angels had every right to block the
protesters, just like the friends of Matthew Shepard's family had a right
to block the signs from Westboro Baptist Church from being seen by the
family. See, whenever you Christians are stopped from persecuting others,
you cry "Persecution!"

The protesters were more than cooperative, moving from place to place as
the police told them to, asking the police to stop the pink angels from
their blockade so that the protesters could continue their peaceful
stance against the event (very legal). In 20 minutes, though the
protesters were completely cooperative, they were arrested, charged with
a pluthera of things from uncivilized protest all the way to 20 accounts
of hate crimes. They were protesting against homosexual sin. They were
protesting against the city publicly funding the event. In total, their
charges were unjust and stayed in city courts.

If the charges were unjust, they would be dropped. Period.
<snip more of the same>

Other instances of Christian persecution in Ameirca:
http://www.keychristianissues.com/America.html

All I see are examples of Christians getting mad because they aren't
allowed to persecute others (non-Christians).
<snip>
You know, you're really delusional. Your post has completely proved my
point. Christians get preferential treatment in society today, but if
someone tries to change that, or someone tries to be fair towards
non-Christians, the Christians scream, "Persecution!" You make me sick.
--
Thurgood Lie #5:
"Bill Baker has no trouble calling (415) AVenida 5-IOLA whenever he wants
to breathe dirty words into a True Christian's ear."
news:1108537621.920089.305450@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
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User: "Sir Marksman"
Title: Re: If there is a Hell	01 Mar 2005 05:06:02 AM

"Max Varazslo posting as Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in
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Sir Marksman, I LOVE you!

I am not interested in your homosexual advances kid.
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User: "Bill Baker"
Title: Re: If there is a Hell	01 Mar 2005 12:17:52 PM

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:06:02 +0000, "Sir Marksman" <895@5454546654.com>
wrote in message news:<u0YUd.41069$nC5.13010@twister.nyroc.rr.com>:

"Max Varazslo posting as Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in
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Sir Marksman, I LOVE you!

I am not interested in your homosexual advances kid.

Then why are you following me around like a little lost puppy dog?
--
Funny Lurlean quote #37:
"In our church we can travel thru space and time during our fire baptisms and
spirit journey's." --Lurlean gives new meaning to the phrase "spaced out."
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User: "Sir Marksman"
Title: Re: If there is a Hell	01 Mar 2005 05:14:56 PM

"Max Varazslo posting as Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in
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Sir Marksman, I LOVE you!

I am not interested in your homosexual advances kid
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User: "Bill Baker"
Title: Re: If there is a Hell	01 Mar 2005 05:19:41 PM

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:14:56 +0000, "Sir Marksman" <895@5454546654.com>
wrote in message news:<QH6Vd.63207$H05.57334@twister.nyroc.rr.com>:

"Max Varazslo posting as Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in
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Sir Marksman, I LOVE you!

I am not interested in your homosexual advances kid

Then why are you following me around like a little lost puppy dog?
--
Oh, geez, my duodenum's acting up!
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User: "Sir Marksman"
Title: Re: If there is a Hell	01 Mar 2005 07:23:32 PM

"Max Varazslo posting as Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in
message

Sir Marksman, I LOVE you!

I am not interested in your homosexual advances kid
.

User: "Bill Baker"
Title: Re: If there is a Hell	01 Mar 2005 11:14:32 PM

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 01:23:32 +0000, "Sir Marksman" <895@5454546654.com>
wrote in message news:<oA8Vd.63246$H05.28041@twister.nyroc.rr.com>:

"Max Varazslo posting as Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in
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Sir Marksman, I LOVE you!

I am not interested in your homosexual advances kid

Sorry, Gerry <gerrymcg@maine.rr.com>, but I still won't date you. I
hate to disappoint you like that, but you are acting like a lovesick
puppy. I mean, come on, what would your boyfriend think? Or do you
and he have an "understanding"?
--
Funny Sister Lurlean quote #12:
"The important thing to know is whether the different candidates is
circumcised." --Lurlean makes her final decision as she approaches the ballot
box.
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User: "Sir Marksman"
Title: Re: If there is a Hell	02 Mar 2005 05:51:44 AM

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Sir Marksman, I LOVE you!

User: "Bill Baker"
Title: Re: If there is a Hell	02 Mar 2005 07:53:24 AM

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:51:44 +0000, Sir Marksman
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"Max Varazslo posting as Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote
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Sir Marksman, I LOVE you!

I am not interested in your homosexual advances kid

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Abominations and LIEberals must be exposed!

Funny quote from Bill BaKKKer : I am an abomination and I can't stop
antagonizing Sir Marksman!

Another funny quote from Bill BaKKKer: I can't stop SPAMMING and
harassing other posters, because I have no life!

Note denial of facts from BaKKKer.

Watch Fascist Hatemonger and Bigot craig chilton aka james keegan
antagonize!

"The modern definition of a racist: someone who is winning an argument
with a liberal."
Peter Brimelow, Alien Nation (1996)

Disgusting quote from Craig Chilton "Just like all other good providers
of abortion services, Tiller is a true American HERO!" 02/08/05

Max Varazslo posing as Bill BaKKKer: "I am in love with you Sir
Marksman!" 2/27/05

--
Funny Sister Lurlean quote #12:
"The important thing to know is whether the different candidates is
circumcised." --Lurlean makes her final decision as she approaches the ballot
box.
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User: "Sir Marksman"
Title: Re: If there is a Hell	02 Mar 2005 08:06:48 AM

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Sir Marksman, I LOVE you!

User: "Christopher A. Lee"
Title: Re: If there is a Hell	28 Feb 2005 03:58:14 PM

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:40:43 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:

Think of it like this... if the United States didn't get involved in Europe
during WWII, where would this world be? If Moses never responded to God's
call to bring His people out of Egypt, where would this world be? If Joan
of Arc never answered her call to save the Kingdom of France, where would
that country be?

What a remarkably stupid question to ask on an atheist newsgroup.
If you weren't such a in-your-face stupid moron you wouldn't say and
do such stupid things - because one figment of your deluded
imagination can't respond to another fignment of it to do anything.
First prove they were both real. Then you can ask it.
In the light of your previous posts you'll probably whine and lie
about "being persecuted for your beliefs". Hint: you're not. You are
treated like the in-your-face moron you have shown yourself to be.
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User: "RS"
Title: I accidentally sent the last msg without it being finished	28 Feb 2005 02:54:46 PM

http://www.harpazo.net/America.html
"the persecution takes the form of forcing believers to live in a society
that purports to tolerate their views, but in reality is structurally and
substantively opposed to Christianity"
You claim we have the most rights out of any group, yet I haven't spoken to
any Christian who doesn't live in fear of speaking their beliefs face to
face without being arrested, ridiculed, or persecuted. We are even
beginning to be attacked.
We can no longer keep the doors of our churches open to the public, for they
are being broken in and burned and defiled. Things are being stolen,
property destyoyed.
Anyhow, it isn't abnormal for Christians to be persecuted. It is abnormal
for Christians not to be persecuted.
It is beginning in our cities: Men and women are being arrested for speaking
the gospel of Christ.
It is beginning in our schools: Christian children are being punished for
praying
It is beginning in our homes: families are being broken by disunity of
faith. The Christian members will not abandon their faith, the
non-Christian members will not accept it...
It is beginning in our churches: We have to keep them locked.
It is beginning on television: Shows and news reports against the Church of
Christ.
It is in our music: the music of this age is poisoning the minds of our
children.
It is beginning in our universities: Christian students are being rejected
for their faith.
It is beginning in our forums: We can no longer speak freely without being
approached by police.
I am not saying that I am being physically persecuted for my faith. I am
saying that I am being scorned because I don't adhere to what society
expects me to do. I, instead, listen to my savior Jesus Christ, and His
teachings and morals. For that, the World has rejected me. I find joy,
however, in that rejection... for if the world accepted me, it would mean I
am of the world... but I am not... I am of the Spirit along with all the
children of God.
I do not pretend to be the only persecuted people. Religious of all walks
are being persecuted by the world. It is, however, a pattern that other
religions outside of Christianity are favored by the government. Any
standard dictate would show that, though I will spare you more examples.
-RS
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User: "Ike"
Title: Re: I accidentally sent the last msg without it being finished	02 Mar 2005 06:42:04 PM

"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message news:d000eq$6d0$1@news3.bu.edu...

The unbelievers are being forced to live in a society that pretends to
respect their beliefs but stabs them in the back.

You claim we have the most rights out of any group, yet I haven't spoken

any Christian who doesn't live in fear of speaking their beliefs face to
face without being arrested, ridiculed, or persecuted. We are even
beginning to be attacked.

Holy *****!

We can no longer keep the doors of our churches open to the public, for

they

are being broken in and burned and defiled. Things are being stolen,
property destyoyed.

Broken in when they are open? that's definitely overkill!

Anyhow, it isn't abnormal for Christians to be persecuted. It is abnormal
for Christians not to be persecuted.

Plus, Christians are abnormal.

I do not pretend to be the only persecuted people. Religious of all walks
are being persecuted by the world. It is, however, a pattern that other
religions outside of Christianity are favored by the government. Any
standard dictate would show that, though I will spare you more examples.

In fact, you have spared us any examples. For that we are exceedingly
joyful.
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User: "Tock"
Title: Re: I accidentally sent the last msg without it being finished	28 Feb 2005 05:16:28 PM

"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message news:d000eq$6d0$1@news3.bu.edu...

So what?
Are we to suppose that anytime anyone opposes your views, that we are to
consider that to be "persecution?"
Then can we also suppose that anytime you oppose other people's views, that
you are also "persecuting" them?

You claim we have the most rights out of any group, yet I haven't spoken
to any Christian who doesn't live in fear of speaking their beliefs face
to face without being arrested, ridiculed, or persecuted.

If you say something stupid, you're gonna get ridiculed.
Smarten up or shut the f--- up.

We are even beginning to be attacked.

Ya, right.

We can no longer keep the doors of our churches open to the public, for
they are being broken in and burned and defiled. Things are being stolen,
property destyoyed.

Is this being done by people motivated by theological disagreement, or
merely by crack-heads and common crooks?

Anyhow, it isn't abnormal for Christians to be persecuted. It is abnormal
for Christians not to be persecuted.

You're nuts. Full of BS.

It is beginning in our cities: Men and women are being arrested for
speaking the gospel of Christ.

Not likely.

It is beginning in our schools: Christian children are being punished for
praying

Not likely.

It is beginning in our homes: families are being broken by disunity of
faith.

Not my problem. Not the problem of law enforcement.

The Christian members will not abandon their faith, the non-Christian
members will not accept it...

So?

It is beginning in our churches: We have to keep them locked.

I have to keep my car locked, my home locked, my business locked, too.
Just common sense.
Too bad it took you this long to figure that out . . .

It is beginning on television: Shows and news reports against the Church
of Christ.

Such as?

It is in our music: the music of this age is poisoning the minds of our
children.

That's what they said about Ragtime, Swing, R&B, Country, Rock & Roll,
Disco, and more.
Get used to it.

It is beginning in our universities: Christian students are being rejected
for their faith.

And non-Christian students are rejected by Christian universities. Tit for
tat.
Get used to it.

It is beginning in our forums: We can no longer speak freely without being
approached by police.

Where?

I am not saying that I am being physically persecuted for my faith. I am
saying that I am being scorned because I don't adhere to what society
expects me to do.

Get used to it.
If you can't stand the scorn, find some backbone or get a different
religion.

I, instead, listen to my savior Jesus Christ, and His teachings and
morals.

Bully for you.

For that, the World has rejected me. I find joy, however, in that
rejection... for if the world accepted me, it would mean I am of the
world... but I am not... I am of the Spirit along with all the children of
God.

Oh, brother . . .

I do not pretend to be the only persecuted people. Religious of all walks
are being persecuted by the world.

Oh?

It is, however, a pattern that other religions outside of Christianity
are favored by the government. Any standard dictate would show that,
though I will spare you more examples.

You should have spared us all this post.
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User: "Susan Cohen"
Title: Re: I accidentally sent the last msg without it being finished	01 Mar 2005 12:13:47 AM

"Tock" <tock@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message news:d000eq$6d0$1@news3.bu.edu...

As I've always said, bigots project.
Sometimes it's more subtle than other times.
RS's post proves it.
Susan

If you say something stupid, you're gonna get ridiculed.
Smarten up or shut the f--- up.

We are even beginning to be attacked.

Ya, right.

We can no longer keep the doors of our churches open to the public, for
they are being broken in and burned and defiled. Things are being
stolen, property destyoyed.

Is this being done by people motivated by theological disagreement, or
merely by crack-heads and common crooks?

Anyhow, it isn't abnormal for Christians to be persecuted. It is
abnormal for Christians not to be persecuted.

You're nuts. Full of BS.

It is beginning in our cities: Men and women are being arrested for
speaking the gospel of Christ.

Not likely.

It is beginning in our schools: Christian children are being punished for
praying

Not likely.

It is beginning in our homes: families are being broken by disunity of
faith.

Not my problem. Not the problem of law enforcement.

The Christian members will not abandon their faith, the non-Christian
members will not accept it...

So?

It is beginning in our churches: We have to keep them locked.

I have to keep my car locked, my home locked, my business locked, too.
Just common sense.
Too bad it took you this long to figure that out . . .

It is beginning on television: Shows and news reports against the Church
of Christ.

Such as?

It is in our music: the music of this age is poisoning the minds of our
children.

That's what they said about Ragtime, Swing, R&B, Country, Rock & Roll,
Disco, and more.
Get used to it.

It is beginning in our universities: Christian students are being
rejected for their faith.

And non-Christian students are rejected by Christian universities. Tit
for tat.
Get used to it.

It is beginning in our forums: We can no longer speak freely without
being approached by police.

Where?

I am not saying that I am being physically persecuted for my faith. I am
saying that I am being scorned because I don't adhere to what society
expects me to do.

Get used to it.
If you can't stand the scorn, find some backbone or get a different
religion.

I, instead, listen to my savior Jesus Christ, and His teachings and
morals.

Bully for you.

Oh, brother . . .

I do not pretend to be the only persecuted people. Religious of all
walks are being persecuted by the world.

Oh?

It is, however, a pattern that other religions outside of Christianity
are favored by the government. Any standard dictate would show that,
though I will spare you more examples.

You should have spared us all this post.

User: "Bill Baker"
Title: Re: I accidentally sent the last msg without it being finished	28 Feb 2005 06:20:34 PM

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:54:46 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote in message
news:<d000eq$6d0$1@news3.bu.edu>:

In other words, "We can't force our views on others! We're being
persecuted!"

You claim we have the most rights out of any group,

Did I say "rights"? No. I said Christians enjoy special privileges over
other religions in the western hemisphere. That is a fact.

yet I haven't spoken to any Christian who doesn't live in fear of
speaking their beliefs face to face without being arrested, ridiculed,
or persecuted. We are even beginning to be attacked.

It's called "backlash". Christians are being "persecuted" in the same way
the Catholic church was being persecuted during the Inquisition.

We can no longer keep the doors of our churches open to the public, for
they are being broken in and burned and defiled. Things are being
stolen, property destyoyed.

That happens to anyone who lives in society today. You can't just leave
your doors unlocked all the time, because people will steal from you.

Anyhow, it isn't abnormal for Christians to be persecuted. It is
abnormal for Christians not to be persecuted.

It's completely normal in the western hemisphere for Christians not to be
persecuted. That you think you are being persecuted only underscores your
deep delusion.

It is beginning in our cities: Men and women are being arrested for
speaking the gospel of Christ.

Wrong. Nobody in the U.S. has ever been arrested for preaching. If they
were arrested, it's because they were preaching in a manner that was
deliberately provocative and meant to incite violence against a particular
group.

It is beginning in our schools: Christian children are being punished
for praying

No child has ever been punished for praying in school. If you think they
have, please post proof.

It is beginning in our homes: families are being broken by disunity of
faith. The Christian members will not abandon their faith, the
non-Christian members will not accept it...

Sounds like a problem with intolerance on the part of Christians.

It is beginning in our churches: We have to keep them locked.

Every building has to be kept locked.

It is beginning on television: Shows and news reports against the Church
of Christ.

It's a free country. Any group is open to criticism. Just because you
can't accept that doesn't mean you're being persecuted.

It is in our music: the music of this age is poisoning the minds of our
children.

That's what people said about music of every age.

It is beginning in our universities: Christian students are being
rejected for their faith.

Prove it.

It is beginning in our forums: We can no longer speak freely without
being approached by police.

Please show me the law that says it's against the law to preach.

No, you're argument sounds more like: "I'm going to act like as much of a
jerk as I can so people will hate me, then I can claim persecution and
validate my deep delusions."

I do not pretend to be the only persecuted people.

You are not persecuted at all.

Religious of all walks are being persecuted by the world. It is,
however, a pattern that other religions outside of Christianity are
favored by the government. Any standard dictate would show that, though
I will spare you more examples.

Christianity is definitely favored by the government and the people.
That's why politicians will take any opportunity they can to be seen in a
Christian church during election year.
--
Lurlean Lie #28:
"All lesbians hate men."
news:1dcee589.0409101912.335472c7@posting.google.com
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User: "Sir Marksman"
Title: Re: I accidentally sent the last msg without it being finished	01 Mar 2005 05:05:28 AM

"Max Varazslo posting as Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in
message

Sir Marksman, I LOVE you!

I am not interested in your homosexual advances kid.
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User: "Bill Baker"
Title: Re: I accidentally sent the last msg without it being finished	01 Mar 2005 12:19:34 PM

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:05:28 +0000, "Sir Marksman" <895@5454546654.com>
wrote in message news:<Y%XUd.41066$nC5.7825@twister.nyroc.rr.com>:

"Max Varazslo posting as Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in
message

Sir Marksman, I LOVE you!

I am not interested in your homosexual advances kid.

Then why are you following me around like a little lost puppy dog?
--
Funny Lurlean quote #46:
"My Deep Faith protects me from vampires - but Our Holy Church teaches that
other women need to wear garlic around their waists when it's rag time to keep
the vampire lesbians away." -- Lurlean preaches about the importance of being
up on ALL of Bram Stoker's works.
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User: "Sir Marksman"
Title: Re: I accidentally sent the last msg without it being finished	01 Mar 2005 05:14:16 PM

"Max Varazslo posting as Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in
message

Sir Marksman, I LOVE you!

I am not interested in your homosexual advances kid
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User: "Bill Baker"
Title: Re: I accidentally sent the last msg without it being finished	01 Mar 2005 05:20:11 PM

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:14:16 +0000, "Sir Marksman" <895@5454546654.com>
wrote in message news:<cH6Vd.63202$H05.48808@twister.nyroc.rr.com>:

"Max Varazslo posting as Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in
message

Sir Marksman, I LOVE you!

I am not interested in your homosexual advances kid

Then why are you following me around like a little lost puppy dog?
--
Lurlean Lie #34
"We got rimmers right here in this group."
news:1102735275.658652.243970@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
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User: "Sir Marksman"
Title: Re: I accidentally sent the last msg without it being finished	01 Mar 2005 07:22:14 PM

"Max Varazslo posting as Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in
message

Sir Marksman, I LOVE you!

I am not interested in your homosexual advances kid
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User: "Bill Baker"
Title: Re: I accidentally sent the last msg without it being finished	01 Mar 2005 11:16:08 PM

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 01:22:14 +0000, "Sir Marksman" <895@5454546654.com>
wrote in message news:<az8Vd.63241$H05.23583@twister.nyroc.rr.com>:

"Max Varazslo posting as Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in
message

Sir Marksman, I LOVE you!

I am not interested in your homosexual advances kid

Sorry, Gerry <gerrymcg@maine.rr.com>, but I still won't date you. I
hate to disappoint you like that, but you are acting like a lovesick
puppy. I mean, come on, what would your boyfriend think? Or do you
and he have an "understanding"?
--
Thurgood Lie #5:
"Bill Baker has no trouble calling (415) AVenida 5-IOLA whenever he wants
to breathe dirty words into a True Christian's ear."
news:1108537621.920089.305450@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
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User: "Sir Marksman"
Title: Re: I accidentally sent the last msg without it being finished	02 Mar 2005 05:55:15 AM

"Max Varazslo posting as Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org>
wrote in
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Sir Marksman, I LOVE you!

User: "Bill Baker"
Title: Re: I accidentally sent the last msg without it being finished	02 Mar 2005 07:54:29 AM

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:55:15 +0000, Sir Marksman
<wbaker@postini.spancom.org> wrote in message
news:<scab2194st9cck6bii79pa2s057tvsuvn0@4ax.com>:

"Max Varazslo posting as Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote
in
message

Sir Marksman, I LOVE you!

I am not interested in your homosexual advances kid

--
Funny Lurlean quote #15:
"Do you know that some vampire lesbians train monster mosquito's to go out and
do their blood letting for them - just so's you gullible types won't catch on
to what's really a going on." -- Lurlean explains the rampant spread of West
Nile virus in the lesbian community.
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User: "Kate "
Title: Re: I accidentally sent the last msg without it being finished	28 Feb 2005 03:50:09 PM

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:54:46 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:

Uh. you think christian churches are the only buildings that get
robbed and vandalized if you leave them open and unattended?
So schools, homes, all other churches, business and stores don't count
somehow?
Isn't that more than a little insane to come to the conclusion that
only Christians are victims of common crimes?

Anyhow, it isn't abnormal for Christians to be persecuted. It is abnormal
for Christians not to be persecuted.

It is beginning in our cities: Men and women are being arrested for speaking
the gospel of Christ.

cite please. I've never heard of this.

It is beginning in our schools: Christian children are being punished for
praying

Only if they disturb the class - otherwise cite please.

It is beginning in our homes: families are being broken by disunity of
faith. The Christian members will not abandon their faith, the
non-Christian members will not accept it...

any bit of proof at all other than your unsubstantiated word please.

It is beginning in our churches: We have to keep them locked.

It's called urbanization. The denser the population, the more crime
there is. Again, your church is hardly the only building to now have
to be locked. Anywhere that population goes up beyond a certain point
has the same problem.

It is beginning on television: Shows and news reports against the Church of
Christ.

Considering the Christians have several channels all to themselves and
many many shows dedicated just to them one wonders just how much of
the media they need to hog, but again, you are going to have to cite
your evidence.

It is in our music: the music of this age is poisoning the minds of our
children.

Oh come on, this has been happening since music was discovered.

It is beginning in our universities: Christian students are being rejected
for their faith.

cite your evidence

It is beginning in our forums: We can no longer speak freely without being
approached by police.

cite your evidence

I am not saying that I am being physically persecuted for my faith. I am
saying that I am being scorned because I don't adhere to what society
expects me to do. I, instead, listen to my savior Jesus Christ, and His
teachings and morals. For that, the World has rejected me. I find joy,
however, in that rejection... for if the world accepted me, it would mean I
am of the world... but I am not... I am of the Spirit along with all the
children of God.

I do not pretend to be the only persecuted people. Religious of all walks
are being persecuted by the world. It is, however, a pattern that other
religions outside of Christianity are favored by the government. Any
standard dictate would show that, though I will spare you more examples.

It sounds to me like you have a raging case of paranoia. Have you
been taking your medication?
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User: "Susan Cohen"
Title: Re: I accidentally sent the last msg without it being finished	28 Feb 2005 04:19:09 PM

"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:54:46 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:

It sounds to me like you have a raging case of paranoia. Have you
been taking your medication?

Like many of his ilk, having his stranglehold on America being broken is
"persecution" to him.
Susan
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User: "Susan Cohen"
Title: Re: I accidentally sent the last msg without it being finished	28 Feb 2005 04:18:07 PM

"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:54:46 -0500, "RS" <rswarts@bu.edu> wrote:

It is beginning in our cities: Men and women are being arrested for
speaking
the gospel of Christ.

cite please. I've never heard of this.

They are being arrested the same way any other obnoxious jerk distrubing the
peace is arrested.
I've seen it happen at my campus (okay, *many* years ago).
These arrogant bigots would preach on the lawn - but one day, an open air
concert was bieng given on the other side of the campus - so *naturally*
these slimebags packed up & moved over to the concert, & started shouting
above the music. Their smiles were quite beatific as they were handcuffed &
led away. Doubtless they would dine off their stories of martydrom for years
to come.
Susan
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